Luka Doncic stats last 20 games - who is better?

[90sgoat]

32/10/9

39% from 3

13-7 record

That's MVP level right there.

[90sgoat]

Last 10 games:

36/11/7

39% from 3

7-3 record

I mean, you can give it to Jokic or Embiid or Giannis, but would you really want to give it to Giannis with that much better a team? Embiid who has a worse record? Jokic, maybe.

At some point, if Luka keeps this up, you have to recognise it. This is massive MVP impact. Stats out of this world with a clear winning record.

[Sulico]

Getting in shape at the right time. Playoffs will be fun.

[90sgoat]

Getting in shape at the right time. Playoffs will be fun.

Team isn't good enough to go all the way, but they have a good shot at bouncing Jazz I think.

[FultzNationRISE]

Has to keep it up til the finish to really be in the convo IMO. Even then it’s unlikely. His poor start and missed time require gaining some major separation from the other candidates down the stretch. His numbers are great but not mind boggling.

Dont see it happening.

[Sulico]

Team isn't good enough to go all the way, but they have a good shot at bouncing Jazz I think.

I disagree. There is no team in the NBA that would beat this MAVS team 10 out of 10 series. Are they likely to go all the way? No. Do they have a chance to do it? Absolutely.

[ShawkFactory]

I don't think the 3pt shooting is sustainable. But he's looking way more nimble.

No way he wins MVP at this point. Especially since Ja is in a similar boat but has been performing well all year.

[90sgoat]

I don't think the 3pt shooting is sustainable. But he's looking way more nimble.

No way he wins MVP at this point. Especially since Ja is in a similar boat but has been performing well all year.

Pretty sure that his team has been winning easily without him.

Ja is not close.

Luka is also a much better defender.

[ShawkFactory]

Pretty sure that his team has been winning easily without him.

Ja is not close.

Luka is also a much better defender.

Bet on Luka to finish ahead of Ja then.

[highwhey]

not too many better players. let's see what he can do in the playoffs then we can start claiming he's the best, if he proves it.

[Wally450]

Tatum since the All Star Break

35/7/4 on 50/40/87

6-1 record

[Jasper]

peak teams and players peak for the playoff's some teams need to learn this , and peak to soon.

[tontoz]

I read awhile back that Luka has changed his diet to cut weight.

[Kblaze8855]

Problem with things like this in this league of unprecedented numbers is for any of them to stand out you have to avoid posting all of them. Guys have entire seasons nobody ever had before statistically so stretches of great play can give you some wild ass numbers.

I have to imagine Jokic, Embiid, and even guys like KAT have insane runs by the old standards. Like 6 people a season are the mvp by the standards we came up with. Look at the 1998-2011 mvp numbers compared to what guys like Luka and Giannis do in seasons these days. Trae Young put up 30/10 and nobody gave a shit.

Theres no comparison. The standards have changed too much. Shaq in 2000 is the only one that doesn’t stand out as below what it would usually take these days.

[90sgoat]

Theres no comparison. The standards have changed too much. Shaq in 2000 is the only one that doesn’t stand out as below what it would usually take these days.

Luka has been balling though, these aren't empty numbers and they come with some very solid defense.

That's the thing that's going to take a while to get people to notice, but Luka is now a solid plus defender and a very good post defender.

This is not a Harden or Tray situation with no defense. It's not a Kawhi situation, but it is close to KD as Thunder player situation with good defense.

[90sgoat]

peak teams and players peak for the playoff's some teams need to learn this , and peak to soon.

If Luka had a decent center, I would put them in the top 3 teams.

Imagine Gobert on this team, they would be instant title favorites.

[90sgoat]

Tatum since the All Star Break

35/7/4 on 50/40/87

6-1 record

Very good.

Lets see 10 and 20 games.

[Kblaze8855]

I didn’t call the numbers empty. I said insane numbers don’t stand out anymore because too many people have insane numbers. I think Giannis and Jokics current seasons are top 2 in per all time. Guys can get 30/14/6 in 30 minutes in this league.

[90sgoat]

I didn’t call the numbers empty. I said insane numbers don’t stand out anymore because too many people have insane numbers. I think Giannis and Jokics current seasons are top 2 in per all time. Guys can get 30/14/6 in 30 minutes in this league.

I really haven't watched either guy play much, so I'll take your word for it.

I don't hear a lot about Giannis this season though.

[3ba11]

The media has clearly shifted towards Joker in the last week.. He's going b2b

[tontoz]

I didn’t call the numbers empty. I said insane numbers don’t stand out anymore because too many people have insane numbers. I think Giannis and Jokics current seasons are top 2 in per all time. Guys can get 30/14/6 in 30 minutes in this league.

I think you just need to stop trying to compare numbers today with numbers 20 years ago. You are just old guy screaming at clouds at this point.

Even by today's standards Luka has been putting up huge numbers lately. Ditto Tatum. Both guys aren't really contenders for MVP because of weak starts.

[Kblaze8855]

Except I’m not screaming at anything or comparing the players. I’m saying a “Look at these stats” thing is harder to do when everyone has insane numbers. It’s like the 60s. Walt Bellamy doing 30/19 is wild…except for Wilt, Pettit, Oscar, Baylor and so on making previously unheard of numbers not blow anyone away anymore.

We have had 32/12/11, 30/13/6, 25/12 years from guys who make 40 percent of their threes….Harden doing 37 a game. Jokic doing what….27/12/9 or something insane like that?

The shit just doesn’t blow you away anymore. How can it? Bron has 56, Tatum has 54, then Morant has 52 and you stop even needing to go see the highlights.

I used to get excited texts when someone had 50. Literally nobody I know cares anymore.

It isn’t about if the players are great or not. Of course they are. The previously spectacular performances are just too common to keep caring about “Last ten games” stats.

4 years from now Giannis might complete a 10 year run of seasons that would be the career peak of any 4 to come before him.

How long are people expected to keep being blown away?

It’s like qb stats in the nfl. I don’t care about a 4300/30 season anymore. Sure it’s godly in 1998. It’s just another year now. Am I supposed to maintain 1998 shock over 2022 standard?

I acknowledge they are good. I just can’t keep caring about the big numbers when I see them daily. Can you?

You stop what you’re doing to see 45 point game highlights?

I would in 2004. We used to here. It just isn’t amazing right now. It’s Tuesday.

[Kblaze8855]

Didnt harden have a 60 point triple double?

I just can’t keep being amazed at a lot of numbers. I can acknowledge it takes skill I just can’t keep caring at the same rate.

[tontoz]

"everyone" doesn't have great numbers. The MVP candidates do.

Even in this era averaging 32/10/9 in 20 games is beasting. If he had been doing it all year he would certainly be one of the top MVP candidates.

[tontoz]

Problem with things like this in this league of unprecedented numbers is for any of them to stand out you have to avoid posting all of them. Guys have entire seasons nobody ever had before statistically so stretches of great play can give you some wild ass numbers.

I have to imagine Jokic, Embiid, and even guys like KAT have insane runs by the old standards. Like 6 people a season are the mvp by the standards we came up with. Look at the 1998-2011 mvp numbers compared to what guys like Luka and Giannis do in seasons these days. Trae Young put up 30/10 and nobody gave a shit.

Theres no comparison. The standards have changed too much. Shaq in 2000 is the only one that doesn’t stand out as below what it would usually take these days.


Certainly looks like old guy screaming at clouds to me. For a guy who isn't comparing you sure seem to like the word. :oldlol:



Except I’m not screaming at anything or comparing the players.

[Kblaze8855]

Did I say the players don’t compare? I said the numbers don’t.

I’m not sure anyone one but Tiny Archibald playing 47 minutes a game ever had a 30/9 season but Trae had one we already forgot about. Harden has 5 50 point triple doubles since 2016 and there were only 6 in all history before that. Westbrook had a 58 point triple double I think. He had a 20/20/20 game. I think Jokic and KAT have like 3 statistically unprecedented seasons each. Giannis has KGs mvp season plus 4-5 ppg every season and does it in 30-32 minutes.

How is any of this up for discussion?

Its not about the players being good or bad. It’s about it being hard to blow fans away with numbers anymore. I saw a 32/12/11 season. Am I supposed to gasp over a 30/10/9 month or whatever it is?

I don’t know what would make me find a tv to be part of the history going on at this point.

You’d have to tell me Steph had 43 at the half to make me go out of my way. It isn’t about greatness. It’s just big number fatigue.

[tontoz]

Did I say the players don’t compare? I said the numbers don’t.

I’m not sure anyone one but Tiny Archibald playing 47 minutes a game ever had a 30/9 season but Trae had one we already forgot about. Harden has 5 50 point triple doubles since 2016 and there were only 6 in all history before that. Westbrook had a 58 point triple double I think. He had a 20/20/20 game. I think Jokic and KAT have like 3 statistically unprecedented seasons each. Giannis has KGs mvp season plus 4-5 ppg every season and does it in 30-32 minutes.

How is any of this up for discussion?

Its not about the players being good or bad. It’s about it being hard to blow fans away with numbers anymore. I saw a 32/12/11 season. Am I supposed to gasp over a 30/10/9 month or whatever it is?

I don’t know what would make me find a tv to be part of the history going on at this point.

You’d have to tell me Steph had 43 at the half to make me go out of my way. It isn’t about greatness. It’s just big number fatigue.



News flash, as little as you care about today's numbers i can say for sure the posters here care even less about seeing you repeatedly whining about inflated numbers today relative to 20 years ago. Get over it. Shaq in 2000 has no relevance to the thread.

Everyone else in the thread was on topic.

[Kblaze8855]

Why are you trying to manufacture an argument that doesn’t exist? I didn’t even say anything was inflated. It doesn’t matter the era. People don’t stay excited about what they see all the time. How many 40/20 games you think it took before Wilt stopped being front page?

There’sa reason he won mvp as a rookie and then never again as a high scorer. The shock value wore off. It wears off in 62, 92, or 2022 when you see it over and over.

I’d be shocked about Lukas production…. except relative to what is now going on? None of it shocks me. Giannis is one of my favorite players. You think I’m amazed all over again when he has 38/17/8 in 30 minutes? I’m not. How do you not get that? And why does it sound like hate to you?

I don’t hate Giannis, Jokic, or Luka. I’m on record as a fan of all of them. I like Russ. After 4 years in a row putting up a triple double…we all stopped being amazed didn’t we?

I can’t keep gushing over box scores that are amazing every single day can I?

[ShawkFactory]

News flash, as little as you care about today's numbers i can say for sure the posters here care even less about seeing you repeatedly whining about inflated numbers today relative to 20 years ago. Get over it. Shaq in 2000 has no relevance to the thread.

Everyone else in the thread was on topic.

Dude nobody is whining. It's hard to watch you right now.

Is Matt Ryan better than Jim Kelly or John Elway because the game has changed and quarterbacks throw for more yards now?

Saying that Joe Burrow threw for 400 yards in 3 straight games doesn't matter anymore.

Posting 35/10/10 doesn't mean what it once did. Particularly when a guy is in an offense to do whatever the hell he wants. The entire point is that whoever is making an argument for someone needs to go behind the slash line now.

[tontoz]

Dude nobody is whining. It's hard to watch you right now.

Is Matt Ryan better than Jim Kelly or John Elway because the game has changed and quarterbacks throw for more yards now?

Saying that Joe Burrow threw for 400 yards in 3 straight games doesn't matter anymore.

Posting 35/10/10 doesn't mean what it once did. Particularly when a guy is in an offense to do whatever the hell he wants.


Nobody is mentioning past players/numbers in the thread except you, and we have already heard the same thing from you countless times. OP isn't saying Luka is better than Larry Bird or any other past player.

You are like 3 ball bringing his Lebron agenda into a Hawks-Bulls game thread.

[hateraid]

I didn’t call the numbers empty. I said insane numbers don’t stand out anymore because too many people have insane numbers. I think Giannis and Jokics current seasons are top 2 in per all time. Guys can get 30/14/6 in 30 minutes in this league.

Exactly. Embiid had a string of 30+ games and leading the league in scoring as a center. But how it compares to other bodies of work is irrelevant when it comes to MVP.

[ShawkFactory]

Nobody is mentioning past players/numbers in the thread except you, and we have already heard the same thing from you countless times. OP isn't saying Luka is better than Larry Bird or any other past player.

You are like 3 ball bringing his Lebron agenda into a Hawks-Bulls game thread.

What..?

Do you have me confused for someone else?

Regardless, the entire point is that raw numbers just don't have as much significance anymore. Evaluating the game or MVP candidates or whatever goes beyond that.

[tontoz]

What..?

Do you have me confused for someone else?

Regardless, the entire point is that raw numbers just don't have as much significance anymore. Evaluating the game or MVP candidates or whatever goes beyond that.

LOL I thought you were Kblaze who i was talking to, but the point remains.

OP isn't bringing up past players/numbers and neither is anyone else. People were comparing Luka with other players this season.

Numbers absolutely have significance comparing current players with each other. When you start comparing today's numbers with numbers 20 years ago then the numbers have less relevance and need to be kept in context.

[Kblaze8855]

Nobody is mentioning past players/numbers in the thread except you, and we have already heard the same thing from you countless times. OP isn't saying Luka is better than Larry Bird or any other past player.

You are like 3 ball bringing his Lebron agenda into a Hawks-Bulls game thread.


Im gonna try this one more time then leave you to fight with yourself since you’re dead set on having one….

When I am shown numbers and told they are mvp numbers the first thought is “Well…what are mvp numbers?”. Aside from peak Shaq very few modern ones feel like they would hold up. Which is why “mvp numbers” isn’t as low a bar as it used to be. The numbers are insane from a number of people which is why the raw numbers don’t get the attention they used to.

It has nothing to do with if the players are as good as they were. It has everything to do with what “mvp” numbers mean which kinda seemed on topic.

I mean…what are mvp numbers without considering the numbers of other mvps?

Once you do that….and consider the other modern options? You realize the whole top 10 or more probably have mvp numbers. Making it easier to understand how they go unnoticed.

Great statistical seasons are being obscured by the volume of them. As I said…Wilt won mvp with 38/25. By the time he did 50/27 fans weren’t even excited about it anymore. He was third in voting.

It’s simple number fatigue and if you wanna take that to mean I think all my current favorite basketball players are overrated go ahead I just don’t think I can explain it any better.

[tontoz]

Im gonna try this one more time then leave you to fight with yourself since you’re dead set on having one….

When I am shown numbers and told they are mvp numbers the first thought is “Well…what are mvp numbers?”. Aside from peak Shaq very few modern ones feel like they would hold up. Which is why “mvp numbers” isn’t as low a bar as it used to be. The numbers are insane from a number of people which is why the raw numbers don’t get the attention they used to.

It has nothing to do with if the players are as good as they were. It has everything to do with what “mvp” numbers mean which kinda seemed on topic.

I mean…what are mvp numbers without considering the numbers of other mvps?

Once you do that….and consider the other modern options? You realize the whole top 10 or more probably have mvp numbers. Making it easier to understand how they go unnoticed.

Great statistical seasons are being obscured by the volume of them. As I said…Wilt won mvp with 38/25. By the time he did 50/27 fans weren’t even excited about it anymore. He was third in voting.

It’s simple number fatigue and if you wanna take that to mean I think all my current favorite basketball players are overrated go ahead I just don’t think I can explain it any better.

Old guy screaming at clouds.

A normal person would see OP and compare Luka to CURRENT MVP candidates, not Shaq in 2000. MVP numbers 20 years ago aren't relevant to the thread. There is no reason to bring them up.

There is a clue in the thread title "who is better". That is present tense, not past tense.

[tontoz]

Actually looking at the numbers over the last 20 games Luka's are certainly comparable to the top 3 guys (Jokic/Embiid/Giannis). I can't say he has been better but would say he is roughly on par with them. The key difference is that those guys have been beasting all year.

Tatum maybe because he is a better defender but offensively i don't think he's been on Luka's level consistently the last few weeks. Demarr...nah.

[GOATKawhi_2]

I disagree. There is no team in the NBA that would beat this MAVS team 10 out of 10 series. Are they likely to go all the way? No. Do they have a chance to do it? Absolutely.

No way. Win the championship with jaylen Brunson as your co star.

Absolutely you say? Might as well go try to hit the billion dollar lottery if you like those odds.

Luka can steal a game or two a series but absolutely no title with current roster construction.

[Kblaze8855]

Old guy screaming at clouds.

A normal person would see OP and compare Luka to CURRENT MVP candidates, not Shaq in 2000. MVP numbers 20 years ago aren't relevant to the thread. There is no reason to bring them up.

There is a clue in the thread title "who is better". That is present tense, not past tense.

If someone says:

“_____ is doing 12/13/3 blocks a game and his defensive rating is 101. Those are DPOY numbers”

and is responded to with:


”Well looking at actual DPOY numbers of of my lifetime….a lot of people are doing them now. Perhaps that explains the lack of DPOY hype for ____. The standard has changed.”

and you get hate out of its because you’re looking for it.

And 2K is taking its sweet time downloading. I’m gonna have to get food before I even play…

[tontoz]

If someone says:

“_____ is doing 12/13/3 blocks a game and his defensive rating is 101. Those are DPOY numbers”

and is responded to with:


”Well looking at actual DPOY numbers of of my lifetime….a lot of people are doing them now. Perhaps that explains the lack of DPOY hype for ____. The standard has changed.”

and you get hate out of its because you’re looking for it.

And 2K is taking its sweet time downloading. I’m gonna have to get food before I even play…


Exactly 3ball

OP asks
Luka Doncic stats last 20 games - who is better?

3ball thinks....well 20 years ago....

[Kblaze8855]

Op said of the numbers in question:


That's MVP level right there.

Which obviously begs the question of what mvp level is. Considering every mvp ever….is in the past…be a little hard to consider anything else. But you having entered your fight mode lately I’m gonna head on to dinner and let you repeat yourself again word for word and not see the irony of the comparison you’re shooting for.

About to eat wings at a sea food boil place I keep being drug to by this woman who disregards that I’m allergic to shellfish and can’t really have anything else on the menu. It will be…mediocre.

[90sgoat]

30-10-10 is still MVP level today combined with 39% from 3.

[tontoz]

Op said of the numbers in question:



Which obviously begs the question of what mvp level is. Considering every mvp ever….is in the past…be a little hard to consider anything else. But you having entered your fight mode lately I’m gonna head on to dinner and let you repeat yourself again word for word and not see the irony of the comparison you’re shooting for.

About to eat wings at a sea food boil place I keep being drug to by this woman who disregards that I’m allergic to shellfish and can’t really have anything else on the menu. It will be…mediocre.

So obsessed with your agenda you can't even see the title of the thread.

You created your own question.









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