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Full Court

03-12-2022, 02:27 AM

He only needs 8 more to catch Jordan.

Let that sink in, Bronies.

ShawkFactory

03-12-2022, 02:28 AM

...you’ll be slightly upset.

3ba11

03-12-2022, 02:37 AM

...you’ll be slightly upset.

For Lebron to score a lot, the game must devolve into a beginner format with him dominating the ball and 4 shooters around him.. Ball-dominators like Lebron, Luka or Harden seemingly have well-rounded stats but are infact limited to playing 1 way (ball-dominance) - these ball-dominant skillsets tie a coach's hands and forces them to employ a simpleton, low-team-assist brand where 1 guy hogs the team's assists.. The coach is forced to replace normal ball movement and system offense with the talent of Lebron or Luka making all the plays - it's a paper tiger that requires ridiculous supporting talent to win.

Lebron's skillset is big man ball-dominance - he starts in the frontcourt but then becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor (2nd player with a point guard hold-time) - these 2 point guard lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1 point guard lineups, so the TEAM has low assists and struggles on the championship level.. Indeed, the common thread in Lebron's Finals losses is massive deficits in team assists..

So when Lebron scores a lot, it's too ball-dominant to beat good teams (weak brand of ball) and also lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load) - Lebron never carried the scoring load in the playoffs and Finals while winning title..

To summarize - Lebron actually isn't a good scorer because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, while also lacking the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)... Since he can't beat good teams with high scoring or carry the scoring load in the Finals, he needs elite 1st options to play sidekick like Wade, Kyrie or AD.. These sidekicks actually outplayed league MVP's or FMVP's - that's the most help possible - Bosh outplayed Rose in the 11' ECF, while Kyrie outplayed Curry in the 16' FInals and AD outplayed Jokic in 20'.. Wade significantly outproduced FMVP Dirk in the 11' Finals..

These sidekicks also matched or led Lebron in scoring for entire playoff runs (11', 16', 20') - this matters because everyone in history had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for various playoff runs, so they didn't always face maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who carried the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.. Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.. (edit: there's 2 series where pippen averaged 8 and 4 less than MJ - every other series was 10 or more).. Here's Kenny Smith mentioning this salient point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s

Furthermore, teams like the 04' Pistons and 11' Mavs didn't win by superior talent - they won by superior chemistry and brand of ball.. Similarly, the Spurs, Warriors and 90's Bulls developed the best brand of ball in the league - learning the best brand and chemistry in the league is required of all organic winners, so Lebron never learned superior brand (how to win) and only learned talent-based winning (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).. He simply never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolved around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles or learned sophisticated, high team assist offenses.

Otoh, Jordan was good enough to score goat amounts running off screens and using elite jumpshooting skill or quick iso ability - this fit with a wider range of teammates and allowed the best offensive strategy (ball movement).. Coaches could run any offensive strategy with Jordan's skillset, so he had four #1 offenses with goat margins above league average (the best offenses ever with marginal offensive help)... Coaches could make Jordan run off-screens, dominate the post, or dominate the ball like a point guard - in 1989, Jordan played 24 games at point guard with 30/9/11 averages.. Ringer dotcom documented how MJ was a 30/10/10 point guard 30 years before Luka and Westbrook made it standard:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499374-Ringer-com-MJ-was-30-yrs-ahead-of-time-as-30-10-10-PG-like-Westbrook-Luka-etc

Ultimately, Jordan averaged 6 more points per 100 possessions than anyone in playoff history with better efficiency on those possessions (ortg) than anyone that matters.. He doubled his sidekick's playoffs scoring average and averaged more APG for their Finals career, playoff career and regular season career.. Pippen actually has the lowest career APG compared to Lebron's sidekicks like Westbrook, Wade, Kyrie, or Rondo.. Jordan also got more DPOY votes than Pippen ever year, while being top 5 DPOY and scoring champ from 88-98' (goat peak).. Overall, Jordan has the #1 all-time production rate, aka PPG, PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48 and also plus/minus or Raptor:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2021/IPef8B.gif

1987_Lakers

03-12-2022, 02:39 AM

Imagine hating on a guy for leading the NBA in scoring at age 37.

Let that sink in.

SouBeachTalents

03-12-2022, 02:40 AM

For Lebron to score a lot, the game must devolve into a beginner format with him dominating the ball and 4 shooters around him.. Ball-dominators like Lebron, Luka or Harden seemingly have well-rounded stats but are infact limited to playing 1 way (ball-dominance) - these ball-dominant skillsets tie a coach's hands and forces them to employ a simpleton, low-team-assist brand where 1 guy hogs the team's assists.. The coach is forced to replace normal ball movement and system offense with the talent of Lebron or Luka making all the plays - it's a paper tiger that requires ridiculous supporting talent to win.

Lebron's skillset is big man ball-dominance - he starts in the frontcourt but then becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor (2nd player with a point guard hold-time) - these 2 point guard lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1 point guard lineups, so the TEAM has low assists and struggles on the championship level.. Indeed, the common thread in Lebron's Finals losses is massive deficits in team assists..

So when Lebron scores a lot, it's too ball-dominant to beat good teams (weak brand of ball) and also lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load) - Lebron never carried the scoring load in the playoffs and Finals while winning title.. To summarize - Lebron actually isn't a good scorer because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, while also lacking the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)... Since he can't beat good teams with high scoring or carry the scoring load in the Finals, he needs elite 1st options to play sidekick like Wade, Kyrie or AD.. These sidekicks actually outplayed league MVP's or FMVP's - that's the most help possible - Bosh outplayed Rose in the 11' ECF, while Kyrie outplayed Curry in the 16' FInals and AD outplayed Jokic in 20'.. Wade significantly outproduced FMVP Dirk in the 11' Finals..

These sidekicks also matched or led Lebron in scoring for entire playoff runs (11', 16', 20') - this matters because everyone in history had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for various playoff runs, so they didn't always face maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who carried the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.. Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.. (edit: there's 2 series where pippen averaged 8 and 4 less than MJ - every other series was 10 or more).. Here's Kenny Smith mentioning this salient point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s

Furthermore, teams like the 04' Pistons and 11' Mavs didn't win by superior talent - they won by superior chemistry and brand of ball.. Similarly, the Spurs, Warriors and 90's Bulls developed the best brand of ball in the league - learning the best brand and chemistry in the league is required of all organic winners, so Lebron never learned superior brand (how to win) and only learned talent-based winning (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).. He simply never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolved around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles or learned sophisticated, high team assist offenses.

Otoh, Jordan was good enough to score goat amounts running off screens and using elite jumpshooting skill or quick iso ability - this fit with a wider range of teammates and allowed the best offensive strategy (ball movement).. Coaches could run any offensive strategy with Jordan's skillset, so he had four #1 offenses with goat margins above league average (the best offenses ever with marginal offensive help)... Coaches could make Jordan run off-screens, dominate the post, or dominate the ball like a point guard - in 1989, Jordan played 24 games at point guard with 30/9/11 averages.. Ringer dotcom documented how MJ was a 30/10/10 point guard 30 years before Luka and Westbrook made it standard:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499374-Ringer-com-MJ-was-30-yrs-ahead-of-time-as-30-10-10-PG-like-Westbrook-Luka-etc

Ultimately, Jordan averaged 6 more points per 100 possessions than anyone in playoff history with better efficiency on those possessions (ortg) than anyone that matters.. He doubled his sidekick's playoffs scoring average and averaged more APG for their Finals career, playoff career and regular season career.. Pippen actually has the lowest career APG compared to Lebron's sidekicks like Westbrook, Wade, Kyrie, or Rondo.. Jordan also got more DPOY votes than Pippen ever year, while being top 5 DPOY and scoring champ from 88-98' (goat peak).. Overall, Jordan has the #1 all-time production rate, aka PPG, PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48 and also plus/minus or Raptor:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2021/IPef8B.gif

^ he'll be slightly upset

1987_Lakers

03-12-2022, 02:43 AM

For Lebron to score a lot, the game must devolve into a beginner format with him dominating the ball and 4 shooters around him.

Look at that, another lie from 3bot.

Lakers currently rank #19 in 3pt%

LeBron averaged close to 35 ppg in the 2018 playoffs with the Cavs only shooting 33% from 3.

3ba11

03-12-2022, 02:45 AM

Imagine hating on a guy for leading the NBA in scoring at age 37.

Let that sink in.

38-year Jordan led the Wizards to 18 more wins, while Lebron is a loser

And any one of the guys that were averaging 25/5/5 in 2002 before Jordan got hurt (Kobe, Tmac, MJ) would average 33+ in today's game.

League-wide ortg was 104 back then compared to 111 today

Lebron isn't a good scorer because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, while also lacking the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)

1987_Lakers

03-12-2022, 02:50 AM

38-year Jordan led the Wizards to 18 more wins.

You are really bragging about MJ finishing 37-45 and saying MJ won 18 more games when there is still one month left in the season?

:oldlol:

1987_Lakers

03-12-2022, 02:51 AM

Lebron also can't win with high scoring

He led the playoffs in scoring in 2012 which resulted in a title.

3ba11

03-12-2022, 02:55 AM

You are really bragging about MJ finishing 37-45 and saying MJ won 18 more games when there is still one month left in the season?

:oldlol:

This season, Lebron has cratered the #2 preseason favorite (super-team), while Jordan led a 19-win team to 37 wins in 2002 - that's the first leg of the organic journey (carrying a 20-win team to 35 wins) just like 04' Lebron or 85' Jordan.

Ultimately, Lebron isn't a good scorer because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, while also lacking the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)

SouBeachTalents

03-12-2022, 02:55 AM

He led the playoffs in scoring in 2012 which resulted in a title.
Yep, he averaged 30.3 ppg, more than his real favorite player ever did for any of his titles :lol

3ba11

03-12-2022, 02:57 AM

He led the playoffs in scoring in 2012 which resulted in a title.

He had a historic 1st option to play sidekick - an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention

Ultimately, Lebron isn't a good scorer because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, while also lacking the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)

RRR3

03-12-2022, 02:58 AM

Yep, he averaged 30.3 ppg, more than his real favorite player ever did for any of his titles :lol
ouch

RRR3

03-12-2022, 02:58 AM

He had a near-equal scoring partner to attract equal-defensive attention, so he never defeated maximum defensive attention

Ultimately, Lebron isn't a good scorer because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, while also lacking the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)
no he didn't stop lying

1987_Lakers

03-12-2022, 02:59 AM

This season, Lebron has cratered the #2 preseason favorite (super-team), while Jordan led a 19-win team to 37 wins in 2002 - that's the first leg of the organic journey (carrying a 20-win team to 35 wins) just like 04' Lebron or 85' Jordan.

Ultimately, Lebron isn't a good scorer because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, while also lacking the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)

Vegas pre-season odds had the Wizards winning 37.5 games with MJ in 2002, they won 37. So they underachieved with MJ. :oldlol:

3ba11

03-12-2022, 03:01 AM

Vegas pre-season odds had the Wizards winning 37.5 games with MJ in 2002, they won 37. So they underachieved with MJ. :oldlol:

Lebron has cratered the #2 preseason favorite (super-team), while 02' Jordan met the lofty Vegas prediction that the Wizards would win 18 more games.

So Wizards Jordan completed the first leg of the organic journey, which is carrying a 20-win team to 35 wins just like 04' Lebron or 85' Jordan.

Ultimately, Lebron never carried the scoring load in the playoffs and Finals of a title run (never defeated max defensive attention) - he always had a historic #1 option to play sidekick that wasn't far from Lebron in scoring and even exceeded him for entire playoff runs (11', 20').

3ba11

03-12-2022, 03:06 AM

no he didn't stop lying

Lebron never carried the scoring load in the playoffs and Finals of a title run, and you can't point me to where he did

Until you do, 3ball wins

Lebron always had a historic #1 option to play sidekick that wasn't far from Lebron in scoring and even exceeded him for entire playoff runs (11', 20')

Ultimately, Lebron isn't a good scorer because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams (poor brand of ball), while also lacking the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)

1987_Lakers

03-12-2022, 03:14 AM

Look at that, another lie from 3bot.

Lakers currently rank #19 in 3pt%

LeBron averaged close to 35 ppg in the 2018 playoffs with the Cavs only shooting 33% from 3.

Look how this liar just ignored this.

3ba11

03-12-2022, 03:20 AM

Look how this liar just ignored this.

Lebron has cratered the #2 preseason favorite (super-team), while 02' Jordan met the lofty Vegas prediction that the Wizards would win 18 more games.

So Wizards Jordan completed the first leg of the organic journey, which is carrying a 20-win team to 35 wins just like 04' Lebron or 85' Jordan.

Ultimately, Lebron never carried the scoring load in the playoffs and Finals of a title run (never defeated max defensive attention) - he always had a historic #1 option to play sidekick that wasn't far from Lebron in scoring and even exceeded him for entire playoff runs (11', 20').

SouBeachTalents

03-12-2022, 03:21 AM

Look how this liar just ignored this.
All he does is lie

LeBron can't win with high scoring, he won averaging more ppg than Kobe ever did for a title

LeBron can only score when surrounded by 4 shooters, the Lakers currently rank 19th in 3pt% and were one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league when they won in 2020

LeBron can't win without an equal scoring partner, even though he won not only outscoring Wade by 10 ppg in 2013, but with Wade averaging less ppg than Pippen or Pau ever did for a title run

3ba11

03-12-2022, 03:23 AM

All he does is lie

LeBron can't win with high scoring, won averaging more ppg than Kobe ever did for a title

LeBron can only score when surrounded by 4 shooters, the Lakers currently rank 19th in 3pt% and were either 2nd to last or dead last when they won in 2020

LeBron can't win without an equal scoring partner, even though he won not only outscoring Wade by 10 ppg in 2013, but with Wade averaging less ppg than Pippen or Pau ever did for a title run

Lebron isn't compared to Kobe because people don't realize how far superior Kobe was

Lebron is compared to Jordan, and this is the fraud - he isn't worthy of this.

Lebron can't beat good teams with high scoring - this the historical record - his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams

And he can't defeat maximum defensive attention (can't carry scoring load) due to non-elite jumpshooting skill

Finally, the 2013 run proves my point - who cares about what he did in the weak East with a super-team - in the Finals, he needed Wade to nearly match him - he couldn't win with high scoring NOR could he defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load)... Lebron was horrible in the 2013 Finals

Spurs m8

03-12-2022, 03:53 AM

He only needs 8 more to catch Jordan.

Let that sink in, Bronies.

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

Forever chasing accolades

Which is amazing, given the longevity, collusions, team hopping and stat padding

TheGoatest

03-12-2022, 04:30 AM

Whether LeBron wins the scoring title or not, he will always have a scoring title.
One-dimensional Jordan will never have an assist title though. :roll:

ImKobe

03-12-2022, 06:33 AM

Vegas pre-season odds had the Wizards winning 37.5 games with MJ in 2002, they won 37. So they underachieved with MJ. :oldlol:

Yeah, it's not like their O/U wasn't at 37.5 because of MJ, who had his knee drained 3x in the 01-02 season and missed 22 games, where the Wiz went 7 - 15 without him. Nice try.

TheGoatest

03-12-2022, 10:30 AM

Vegas pre-season odds had the Wizards winning 37.5 games with MJ in 2002, they won 37. So they underachieved with MJ. :oldlol:

It's impossible to understate what EPIC CHOKEAGE Jordan's Wizards years were. Had he played in some ultra-competitive conference, they would've been somewhat acceptable, but it's incredible that he failed to make the playoffs in 2 seasons with THE worst #1 seed records in the 3 point line era: Pistons and Nets with 52 and 50 win seasons.

He would've made the playoffs had it been the 80s though, where a 30-52 record got you an 8th seed. :roll:

Manny98

03-12-2022, 10:33 AM

coastalmarker99

03-12-2022, 10:45 AM

Forget MJ he hasn't even caught up to KD yet

Scoring titles

Le2nd - 2
KD - 4

Head to head in the finals

KD - 2
Le2nd - 1

https://i.postimg.cc/TY8Phgxc/Metallic-Little-Boilweevil-size-restricted.gif

Nobody at all respects Durant's rings and that's why he left the Warriors to join the Nets.

Hell Draymond basically shit on him on national television when he said right to his face “We don’t need you, we won without you

Manny98

03-12-2022, 10:48 AM

Nobody at all respects Durant's rings and that's why he left the Warriors to join the Nets.

If Durant does not manage to win a ring with the Nets during his time there his legacy will take a massive beating.
That doesn't change the fact that he's 2-1 against Le2nd in the finals

Both LeBron and KD had superteams Kyrie + Love + elite role players = Curry,Klay and Dray + scrubs

KD outplaying LeBron was the difference :applause:

ImKobe

03-12-2022, 10:49 AM

Nobody at all respects Durant's rings and that's why he left the Warriors to join the Nets.

If Durant does not manage to win a ring with the Nets during his time there his legacy will take a massive beating.

KD will get at least 1 more ring. No one respected Bran colluding in Miami either but these things will be forgotten with time. We're just at the start of the collusion era with superstars teaming up so KD's championships will actually age really well, especially since he outplayed Bran in the Finals to get them.

RRR3

03-12-2022, 10:51 AM

Durant should try getting in the top 10 before we compare him to top 3 players. Manny98IQ

coastalmarker99

03-12-2022, 10:55 AM

KD will get at least 1 more ring. No one respected Bran colluding in Miami either but these things will be forgotten with time. We're just at the start of the collusion era with superstars teaming up so KD's championships will actually age really well, especially since he outplayed Bran in the Finals to get them.

Lebron and Durant cancelled each other out in the finals.

In 2017 Lebron averaged 34/12/10 on 63% TS and the Cavs team was winning with him on the court.

It's not Lebron's fault that the Cavs collapsed without him when he had to take a breather.

The Cavaliers suffered a 118-113 defeat in Game 3 of the NBA Finals — a five-point loss — and it’s demonstrable that a lot of the damage came with James off the court.

As he was a plus-7 in his 46 minutes on the court.

Put simply, that means the Cavaliers outscored the Warriors by seven points with James on the floor and were outscored 12 points with Lebron off the floor.

Manny98

03-12-2022, 10:56 AM

Durant should try getting in the top 10 before we compare him to top 3 players. Manny98IQ
Career wise he's top 10 (I have him 9th)

Peak wise he's top 5 and is the greatest scorer the league has ever seen

RRR3

03-12-2022, 10:57 AM

Career wise he's top 10 (I have him 9th)

Peak wise he's top 5 and is the greatest scorer the league has ever seen
:facepalm

Leave basketball discussions to people with functioning frontal lobes.

coastalmarker99

03-12-2022, 11:03 AM

Giannis will be ranked over Durant all time after this season by everyone if he wins another ring and MVP plus finals MVP.

Giannis will have.

3 MVPs to durant's one

One DPOY to durant's zero.

And they will be tied in Finals MVP at two each.

Full Court

03-12-2022, 11:03 AM

Forget MJ he hasn't even caught up to KD yet

Scoring titles

Le2nd - 2
KD - 4

Head to head in the finals

KD - 2
Le2nd - 1

https://i.postimg.cc/TY8Phgxc/Metallic-Little-Boilweevil-size-restricted.gif

If Lebron does with the scoring title this year, and it's still most definitely an if....

He'll only need two more to catch Durant. :lol

Let that sink in, Bronies.

Phoenix

03-12-2022, 11:08 AM

coastalmarker99

03-12-2022, 11:12 AM

Durant should have like 6 scoring titles if he wasn't getting out-shot by Westbrick. Laughable that eg. in 2013 Brick is taking 19 shots a game at 44%, and KD 18 at 51%. And KD was .6ppg behind Melo who had carte blanche on the Knicks. Coach should have been fired for allowing that.

If Lebron had really wanted to gun for scoring titles throughout his career he would have 7 or 8 of them by now at least.

He’s leading the NBA in scoring at 37 in year 19 and still averaging 6 assists per game as well.

coastalmarker99

03-12-2022, 11:14 AM

If Lebron does with the scoring title this year, and it's still most definitely an if....

He'll only need two more to catch Durant. :lol

Let that sink in, Bronies.

If Durant somehow wins another MVP during his career.

He'll only need two more afterwards to catch Lebron's total.

:lol

1987_Lakers

03-12-2022, 12:14 PM

Yeah, it's not like their O/U wasn't at 37.5 because of MJ, who had his knee drained 3x in the 01-02 season and missed 22 games, where the Wiz went 7 - 15 without him. Nice try.

I'm sorry, I'm not gonna reward players for missing games. I know you do this with AD all the time, but if you miss games that's all on you.

Full Court

03-12-2022, 03:37 PM

If Durant somehow wins another MVP during his career.

He'll only need two more afterwards to catch Lebron's total.

:lol

Yep. I'm just making a point, because the Bronies are in a tizzy about Bronie potentially winning a scoring title. It's got to be damage control for an abysmal season. I don't remember Curry fans completely melting down over him winning the scoring title last year. I could be wrong though.

RRR3

03-12-2022, 03:41 PM

It was a rough night for full court. He’s been up for hours railing adderall and ranting about LeBron :oldlol:

1987_Lakers

03-12-2022, 03:45 PM

Yep. I'm just making a point, because the Bronies are in a tizzy about Bronie potentially winning a scoring title. It's got to be damage control for an abysmal season. I don't remember Curry fans completely melting down over him winning the scoring title last year. I could be wrong though.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493170-Stephen-Curry-joins-Michael-Jordan-as-the-only-two-with-scoring-title-at-33

Do better.

Spurs m8

03-12-2022, 03:52 PM

1987_Lakers

03-12-2022, 04:27 PM

Didn't hear a peep out of the Curry fans...

You literally posted in the same thread where Curry fans were praising him for winning a scoring title.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493170-Stephen-Curry-joins-Michael-Jordan-as-the-only-two-with-scoring-title-at-33/page2

You have to be one of the dumbest posters this site has ever seen. :oldlol:

2much_knowledge

03-12-2022, 04:39 PM

You are really bragging about MJ finishing 37-45 and saying MJ won 18 more games when there is still one month left in the season?

:oldlol:

How many times i have to remind you there was a serious knee injury that resulted in that record?

Thats why people never take yall opinions seriously

You guys always get corrected and still never learn

Spurs m8

03-12-2022, 04:40 PM

How many times i have to remind you there was a serious knee injury that resulted in that record?

Thats why people never take yall opinions seriously

You guys always get corrected and still never learn

Truth isn't the friend of bron stans

1987_Lakers

03-12-2022, 04:44 PM

1987_Lakers

03-12-2022, 04:46 PM

Truth isn't the friend of bron stans

Didn't hear a peep out of the Curry fans...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493170-Stephen-Curry-joins-Michael-Jordan-as-the-only-two-with-scoring-title-at-33/page2

Look at you posting in that Curry thread despite you saying you didn't hear a peep.

And you want to talk about "truth"??

Low IQ spursm8

ShawkFactory

03-12-2022, 04:47 PM

For Lebron to score a lot, the game must devolve into a beginner format with him dominating the ball and 4 shooters around him.. Ball-dominators like Lebron, Luka or Harden seemingly have well-rounded stats but are infact limited to playing 1 way (ball-dominance) - these ball-dominant skillsets tie a coach's hands and forces them to employ a simpleton, low-team-assist brand where 1 guy hogs the team's assists.. The coach is forced to replace normal ball movement and system offense with the talent of Lebron or Luka making all the plays - it's a paper tiger that requires ridiculous supporting talent to win.

Lebron's skillset is big man ball-dominance - he starts in the frontcourt but then becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor (2nd player with a point guard hold-time) - these 2 point guard lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1 point guard lineups, so the TEAM has low assists and struggles on the championship level.. Indeed, the common thread in Lebron's Finals losses is massive deficits in team assists..

So when Lebron scores a lot, it's too ball-dominant to beat good teams (weak brand of ball) and also lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load) - Lebron never carried the scoring load in the playoffs and Finals while winning title..

To summarize - Lebron actually isn't a good scorer because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, while also lacking the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)... Since he can't beat good teams with high scoring or carry the scoring load in the Finals, he needs elite 1st options to play sidekick like Wade, Kyrie or AD.. These sidekicks actually outplayed league MVP's or FMVP's - that's the most help possible - Bosh outplayed Rose in the 11' ECF, while Kyrie outplayed Curry in the 16' FInals and AD outplayed Jokic in 20'.. Wade significantly outproduced FMVP Dirk in the 11' Finals..

These sidekicks also matched or led Lebron in scoring for entire playoff runs (11', 16', 20') - this matters because everyone in history had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for various playoff runs, so they didn't always face maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who carried the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.. Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.. (edit: there's 2 series where pippen averaged 8 and 4 less than MJ - every other series was 10 or more).. Here's Kenny Smith mentioning this salient point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s

Furthermore, teams like the 04' Pistons and 11' Mavs didn't win by superior talent - they won by superior chemistry and brand of ball.. Similarly, the Spurs, Warriors and 90's Bulls developed the best brand of ball in the league - learning the best brand and chemistry in the league is required of all organic winners, so Lebron never learned superior brand (how to win) and only learned talent-based winning (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).. He simply never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolved around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles or learned sophisticated, high team assist offenses.

Otoh, Jordan was good enough to score goat amounts running off screens and using elite jumpshooting skill or quick iso ability - this fit with a wider range of teammates and allowed the best offensive strategy (ball movement).. Coaches could run any offensive strategy with Jordan's skillset, so he had four #1 offenses with goat margins above league average (the best offenses ever with marginal offensive help)... Coaches could make Jordan run off-screens, dominate the post, or dominate the ball like a point guard - in 1989, Jordan played 24 games at point guard with 30/9/11 averages.. Ringer dotcom documented how MJ was a 30/10/10 point guard 30 years before Luka and Westbrook made it standard:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499374-Ringer-com-MJ-was-30-yrs-ahead-of-time-as-30-10-10-PG-like-Westbrook-Luka-etc

Ultimately, Jordan averaged 6 more points per 100 possessions than anyone in playoff history with better efficiency on those possessions (ortg) than anyone that matters.. He doubled his sidekick's playoffs scoring average and averaged more APG for their Finals career, playoff career and regular season career.. Pippen actually has the lowest career APG compared to Lebron's sidekicks like Westbrook, Wade, Kyrie, or Rondo.. Jordan also got more DPOY votes than Pippen ever year, while being top 5 DPOY and scoring champ from 88-98' (goat peak).. Overall, Jordan has the #1 all-time production rate, aka PPG, PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48 and also plus/minus or Raptor:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2021/IPef8B.gif

Jesus Christ :lol

StrongLurk

03-12-2022, 06:18 PM

The Lebron haters have ptsd at this point...Bron has been butthurting them for too long.

I guarantee they will be making the same amount of Bron hating threads YEARS after Bron retires...he's simply been ingrained too deeply in their minds.

Full Court

03-12-2022, 07:02 PM

It was a rough night for full court. He’s been up for hours railing adderall and ranting about LeBron :oldlol:

Yep, Triple Reject showing off his low IQ again.

Did you know that your hero Bronie is STILL 8 games below .500? And that he got booed off the court only a couple games ago? :roll:

What a dingus.

2much_knowledge

03-12-2022, 07:10 PM

They had a 30-30 record with MJ despite playing in a historically weak conference.

This is what you guys are bragging about? :oldlol:

30 - 30 aint good enough for 2nd place. Maybe we arent talking about the same year

Baller789

03-12-2022, 10:48 PM

They had a 30-30 record with MJ despite playing in a historically weak conference.

This is what you guys are bragging about? :oldlol:

Historically weak conference? Are you talking about Lebron out East for a decade?

1987_Lakers

03-12-2022, 11:01 PM

Historically weak conference? Are you talking about Lebron out East for a decade?

Both LeBron & Magic took advantage of playing in a weak conference, MJ didn't. That's my point.

SATAN

03-12-2022, 11:03 PM

LeBron still killed western conference teams anyway so that point they keep regurgitating is invalid.

Chuckbe

03-12-2022, 11:11 PM

LeBron still killed western conference teams anyway so that point they keep regurgitating is invalid.

https://i0.wp.com/i.imgflip.com/t04f.gif?w=800&ssl=1

Keno

03-20-2022, 11:02 PM

embid 21 points tonight vs raptors.

back to a 3-way tie between lebron, embid, giannas at 29.8 ppg.

Spurs m8

03-20-2022, 11:11 PM

embid 21 points tonight vs raptors.

back to a 3-way tie between lebron, embid, giannas at 29.8 ppg.

Funny, 2 are top 3 in a more stacked conference.

The other is a team killer

Keno

03-20-2022, 11:21 PM

Funny, 2 are top 3 in a more stacked conference.

The other is a team killer

not lebrons fault everyone flocked east when he came down west, people are shook of the goat.

Baller789

03-20-2022, 11:38 PM

Both LeBron & Magic took advantage of playing in a weak conference, MJ didn't. That's my point.

When did this happen?

1987_Lakers

03-20-2022, 11:44 PM

When did this happen?

Magic made 8 finals in 10 years.
LeBron made 8 straight finals

And we were talking about MJ's wizards years.

3ba11

03-20-2022, 11:44 PM

LeBron still killed western conference teams anyway so that point they keep regurgitating is invalid.

Lebron is on pace to lose more than MJ ever did with any cast at any age

So he's losing more than MJ ever did, while scoring at levels that weren't high for MJ

Baller789

03-21-2022, 02:08 AM

Magic made 8 finals in 10 years.
LeBron made 8 straight finals

And we were talking about MJ's wizards years.

So you are saying that an over the hill Jordan has no excuse missing the playoffs?

Johnny32

03-21-2022, 02:11 AM

Lebron is on pace to lose more than MJ ever did with any cast at any age

So he's losing more than MJ ever did, while scoring at levels that weren't high for MJ

he's scoring more efficiently than peak mj with no help from the officials. jordone could never shoot 61% on 2's.

1987_Lakers

03-21-2022, 02:12 AM

So you are saying that an over the hill Jordan has no excuse missing the playoffs?

He was basically the same age LeBron is now, no excuses.

Baller789

03-21-2022, 02:23 AM

He was basically the same age LeBron is now, no excuses.

So Lebron has no excuse making the playoffs either?

Full Court

03-21-2022, 07:03 AM

So Lebron has no excuse making the playoffs either?

Bu bu bu but REFS!

And WESTBROOK.

And MORE HELP.

And it's all a league conspiracy.

And STATZ.

Baller789

03-21-2022, 08:50 AM

Bu bu bu but REFS!

And WESTBROOK.

And MORE HELP.

And it's all a league conspiracy.

And STATZ.

I swear the mental gymnastics and double standards with these retards makes me glad they are basement virgins..

They don't deserve to reproduce.

TheGoatest

03-21-2022, 09:20 AM

He was basically the same age LeBron is now, no excuses.

With 3-4 fewer seasons of mileage on his body.
And the reason behind absence wasn't even injury like Durant, Klay, etc. Current LeBron absolutely demolishes the non-top 25 player in the league Wizards Jordan. :oldlol:

Johnny32

03-21-2022, 09:32 AM

With 3-4 fewer seasons of mileage on his body.
And the reason behind absence wasn't even injury like Durant, Klay, etc. Current LeBron absolutely demolishes the non-top 25 player in the league Wizards Jordan. :oldlol:

Current lebron absolutely demolishes 96-98 mj also.

RogueBorg

03-21-2022, 09:49 AM

Baller789

03-21-2022, 12:30 PM

Hey Yo

03-21-2022, 01:28 PM

30-37 year old Lebron

zero MVP's
zero All-Defensive teams
zero scoring titles
3 Finals defeats
2 NBA Championships

30-35 yo MJ
2 MVP's
4 All-Defensive Teams
4 scoring titles
4 NBA Championships
0 Finals defeats

Any questions children?

Why didn't you point out MJ had the luxury of resting up for almost 2yrs during that timeline??

Context kid.

RogueBorg

03-21-2022, 01:32 PM

Why didn't you point out MJ had the luxury of resting up for almost 2yrs during that timeline??

Context kid.

Jordan's "retirement" has nothing to do with Lebron's lack of accomplishments in his 30's.

Spurs m8

03-21-2022, 02:15 PM

Airupthere

03-21-2022, 02:19 PM

30-37 year old Lebron

zero MVP's
zero All-Defensive teams
zero scoring titles
3 Finals defeats
2 NBA Championships

30-35 yo MJ
2 MVP's
4 All-Defensive Teams
4 scoring titles
4 NBA Championships
0 Finals defeats

Any questions children?

You are comparing 4 years of accomplishments vs 7 years? Is that even fair? Lol

Full Court

03-21-2022, 07:01 PM

30-37 year old Lebron

zero MVP's
zero All-Defensive teams
zero scoring titles
3 Finals defeats
2 NBA Championships

30-35 yo MJ
2 MVP's
4 All-Defensive Teams
4 scoring titles
4 NBA Championships
0 Finals defeats

Any questions children?

Yes, I do have a question, if you don't mind. How LOW does one's IQ have to be to even put Bronie in the same tier as MJ, much less rank him above?

Baller789

03-21-2022, 08:11 PM

Yes, I do have a question, if you don't mind. How LOW does one's IQ have to be to even put Bronie in the same tier as MJ, much less rank him above?

As low as -86 iq

TheGoatest

03-21-2022, 09:29 PM

Looks like another, certain all-NBA team selection for LeGOATest post age 35. That's 2 out of 2 all-NBA selections post-35 compared to non-top 25 player in the league Wizards Jordon's 0 out of 2. :roll:

At the age of 37. :applause: In his 19th season. :rockon: With a nagging knee injury. :eek:

Baller789

03-21-2022, 10:11 PM

8Ball

03-21-2022, 10:33 PM

Anyone else with high IQ wouldn't be impressed with winning a scoring title?

One of the most meaningless awards to win.

I guess the LeBron family will take it...

LFMAO imagine a 37 year old just decides to get the scoring title in year 19. This award is totally meaningless. No wonder Jordan fans love it so much.

8Ball

03-21-2022, 10:34 PM

Manny98

03-21-2022, 10:37 PM

Only halfway to catching KD in scoring titles :hammertime:

Bronbron23

03-21-2022, 11:56 PM

Wouldn't matter regardless. Winning a scoring title while ignoring defense and winning basketball dosn't mean much.

Baller789

03-22-2022, 12:11 AM

Any award that Lebron doesn't lead in is meaningless

Pretty much sums up this Jabroni.

8Ball

03-22-2022, 11:46 AM

Pretty much sums up this Jabroni.

Wrong. Any award that Jordan doesn't lead in is meaningless, and useless awards like scoring titles suddenly have value.

Anyone else with high IQ wouldn't be impressed with winning a scoring title?

One of the most meaningless awards to win.

I guess the LeBron family will take it...

LFMAO imagine a 37 year old just decides to get the scoring title in year 19. This award is totally meaningless. No wonder Jordan fans love it so much.

Pretty much 100% correct right here.

No dispute.

Baller789

03-22-2022, 08:52 PM

Wrong. Any award that Jordan doesn't lead in is meaningless, and useless awards like scoring titles suddenly have value.

Pretty much 100% correct right here.

No dispute.

What award doesn't he lead?

And what award does he lead?

Baller789

03-23-2022, 09:50 AM