Larry Bird SCHOOLING Defenders For 9 Minutes Straight (Rare Footage)

[Round Mound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCRaPeGwG8c

:pimp:

[3ba11]

It's crazy that Bird would be a much better version of Jokic in today's game - better scorer, passer, and athlete

This confirms that Bird would be the best player today, by FAR

He could play Curry-ball on the perimeter, or bang down low with Malone, and pass as well as anyone in history

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

It's crazy that Bird would be a much better version of Jokic in today's game - better scorer, passer, and athlete

This confirms that Bird would be the best player today, by FAR

He could play Curry-ball on the perimeter, or bang down low with Malone, and pass as well as anyone in history

Is he a better scorer though? Jokic has had a 31 and 32 PER in the last two seasons, 65% TS, 9+ OBPM, 30 win share per 48.

All peaks that bird never reached.

Unless I'm underrating birds quickness. Seems like jokic is bird but bigger and stronger and taller. Unless birds quickness is a game changer which I don't think it is, he's probably not even quick enough to play SF today.

[Phoenix]

Is he a better scorer though? Jokic has had a 31 and 32 PER in the last two seasons, 65% TS, 9+ OBPM, 30 win share per 48.

All peaks that bird never reached.

Unless I'm underrating birds quickness. Seems like jokic is bird but bigger and stronger and taller. Unless birds quickness is a game changer which I don't think it is, he's probably not even quick enough to play SF today.

Kawhit hasn't hit those peaks either, so is he better than him too? Because posters like you ignore all context, throw out a number you can google in 10 seconds and say 'there, player X is better than Y because PER says so'. Statnerds have hijacked basketball discussion.

Bird in this era would be a stretch 4, he wouldn't play small forward in the traditional sense but ultimately, in this era of position-less basketball such distinctions are becoming increasingly meaningless. Can you hit 3's at a high clip? Whether you're 6 feet or 7 feet is irrelevant, you got a job. Jokic is more or less a 'point-center' and a bridge to some 7 footer in the very near future that's gonna straight up be listed as a PG.

[tpols]

It's crazy that Bird would be a much better version of Jokic in today's game - better scorer, passer, and athlete

This confirms that Bird would be the best player today, by FAR

He could play Curry-ball on the perimeter, or bang down low with Malone, and pass as well as anyone in history

Jokic is an elite shooter from deep, is like 50 lbs heavier taller and stronger than Bird, and is a brilliant passer. The only thing I can think of that Bird does better is trash talking and slightly better in the clutch.

[Shogon]

Kawhit hasn't hit those peaks either, so is he better than him too? Because posters like you ignore all context, throw out a number you can google in 10 seconds and say 'there, player X is better than Y because PER says so'. Statnerds have hijacked basketball discussion.

Bird in this era would be a stretch 4, he wouldn't play small forward in the traditional sense but ultimately, in this era of position-less basketball such distinctions are becoming increasingly meaningless. Can you hit 3's at a high clip? Whether you're 6 feet or 7 feet is irrelevant, you got a job. Jokic is more or less a 'point-center' and a bridge to some 7 footer in the very near future that's gonna straight up be listed as a PG.

I would say it's likely that Jokic is better than Kawhi has ever been.

Some guys go their entire career on stacked teams and look better than they are. That's just how it is. Kawhi has clearly been a top 5 player in the NBA before but he's almost always been on a team that is good even without him.

He might have had games or moments where he was the best player in the NBA, but certainly never for a season. Nope.

Jokic is very arguably the best player in the NBA.

[tpols]

I would say it's likely that Jokic is better than Kawhi has ever been.

Some guys go their entire career on stacked teams and look better than they are. That's just how it is. Kawhi has clearly been a top 5 player in the NBA before but he's almost always been on a team that is good even without him.

He might have had games or moments where he was the best player in the NBA, but certainly never for a season. Nope.

Jokic is very arguably the best player in the NBA.

2019 Kawhi went absolutely off and ran the table against Embiid, Butler, Simmons, Giannis, Middleton, Curry, Dray etc. He got lucky in the Finals with some injuries but he was knocking off superstars before that with ridiculous production.

[3ba11]

Is he a better scorer though? Jokic has had a 31 and 32 PER in the last two seasons, 65% TS, 9+ OBPM, 30 win share per 48.

All peaks that bird never reached.

Unless I'm underrating birds quickness. Seems like jokic is bird but bigger and stronger and taller. Unless birds quickness is a game changer which I don't think it is, he's probably not even quick enough to play SF today.


Bird is a better athlete than Battier, who was an all-NBA defender, or Gordon Hayward, Caleb Martin or TONS of other Euro three-point robots that today's game has

Bird was a pure scorer with quick release - Jokic is literally a beginner compared to Bird.. Jokic merely exploits today's beginner format because he's smart.

Anyone like Jokic can catch the ball on the high post and just WAIT....... the spacing puts help defenders further away, so Jokic doesn't have to make a play right away - otoh, the lack of spacing in prior eras meant that Bird had to make plays immediately upon the catch (superior quick instinct than Jokic)..

Furthermore, defenders can't cover today's spacing, so Jokic simply has to wait long enough and someone will pop open, whereas Bird had to thread needles - so Bird had to act quickly and thread needles, while Jokic can play shittier but achieve better stats because it's an easy era.... spacing + no physicality = BirdGoat

Btw, there's few 6'9" SF's that average 10 rebs, so Bird would play PF or Center today, in addition to being the Bezos version of Hayward at SF

[Shogon]

2019 Kawhi went absolutely off and ran the table against Embiid, Butler, Simmons, Giannis, Middleton, Curry, Dray etc. He got lucky in the Finals with some injuries but he was knocking off superstars before that with ridiculous production.

Oh yeah? I didn't realize that the playoffs were a 1 on 1 contest. Damn. Silly me for never knowing.

[Phoenix]

I would say it's likely that Jokic is better than Kawhi has ever been.

Some guys go their entire career on stacked teams and look better than they are. That's just how it is. Kawhi has clearly been a top 5 player in the NBA before but he's almost always been on a team that is good even without him.

He might have had games or moments where he was the best player in the NBA, but certainly never for a season. Nope.

Jokic is very arguably the best player in the NBA.

Oh I agree. I'm just saying to that other poster( HBK_Klt on like his 3rd or 4th alt that I know of) that since he is applying the logic of using all those advanced stats to say Joker is better than Bird, following that logic would also conclude that he is better than Kawhi( and his whole shtick is standing Kawhi as the GOAT). I generally agree with your post.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The rainbow at 6:07 is utterly ridiculous. That's about as unguardable a release you'll ever see. Ditto with the 'skyhook' ~8:37.

Many instinctual plays here. Shit you cant teach and just have a 'feel' for.

[tpols]

Oh yeah? I didn't realize that the playoffs were a 1 on 1 contest. Damn. Silly me for never knowing.

He outplayed every single superstar he went up against often by a big margin. Everybody knows 2019 Kawhi was the best in the league.

[Shogon]

He outplayed every single superstar he went up against often by a big margin. Everybody knows 2019 Kawhi was the best in the league.

Yes, yes. Clearly. Kawhi was definitely the best in the league. Eveyone knows.

[FultzNationRISE]

Yes, yes. Clearly. Kawhi was definitely the best in the league. Eveyone knows.

Outside of Lebron it was not an unreasonable assertion at that time. It wasnt a “clear cut” thing, but Leonard was pretty dominant during that run.

But nevermind that.

Why are you afraid to reply to an email?

[BigShotBob]

Jokic is not better than Bird just because he puts up numbers in an inflated era. Let's use some common sense.

[GOATKawhi_2]

Kawhit hasn't hit those peaks either, so is he better than him too? Because posters like you ignore all context, throw out a number you can google in 10 seconds and say 'there, player X is better than Y because PER says so'. Statnerds have hijacked basketball discussion.

Bird in this era would be a stretch 4, he wouldn't play small forward in the traditional sense but ultimately, in this era of position-less basketball such distinctions are becoming increasingly meaningless. Can you hit 3's at a high clip? Whether you're 6 feet or 7 feet is irrelevant, you got a job. Jokic is more or less a 'point-center' and a bridge to some 7 footer in the very near future that's gonna straight up be listed as a PG.

Kawhi is a lockdown defender that most people are scared of. I was just comparing offense. Kawhi is on a different tier then jokic and bird (better offense and way better defense).

[SouBeachTalents]

Kawhi is a lockdown defender that most people are scared of. I was just comparing offense. Kawhi is on a different tier then jokic and bird (better offense and way better defense).
Kawhi hasn't been a consistent lockdown defender since he increased his scoring and left the Spurs. It's no knock on him, it happens to the majority of perimeter superstar scorers.

[GOATKawhi_2]

Jokic is not better than Bird just because he puts up numbers in an inflated era. Let's use some common sense.


Bird is a better athlete than Battier, who was an all-NBA defender, or Gordon Hayward, Caleb Martin or TONS of other Euro three-point robots that today's game has

Bird was a pure scorer with quick release - Jokic is literally a beginner compared to Bird.. Jokic merely exploits today's beginner format because he's smart.

Anyone like Jokic can catch the ball on the high post and just WAIT....... the spacing puts help defenders further away, so Jokic doesn't have to make a play right away - otoh, the lack of spacing in prior eras meant that Bird had to make plays immediately upon the catch (superior quick instinct than Jokic)..

Furthermore, defenders can't cover today's spacing, so Jokic simply has to wait long enough and someone will pop open, whereas Bird had to thread needles - so Bird had to act quickly and thread needles, while Jokic can play shittier but achieve better stats because it's an easy era.... spacing + no physicality = BirdGoat

Btw, there's few 6'9" SF's that average 10 rebs, so Bird would play PF or Center today, in addition to being the Bezos version of Hayward at SF

So the only arguments was the old man "back in my day that basketball was harder to put in the hoop"

Ok I guess. If mchale was putting up 25PPG in that era, jokic is way stronger fatter and better.

[sdot_thadon]

Bird was a G before it was a thing. Off topic anyone catch that Ron Harper comment at the beginning? He was expected to be a star coming into the league?

[Phoenix]

Kawhi is a lockdown defender that most people are scared of. I was just comparing offense. Kawhi is on a different tier then jokic and bird (better offense and way better defense).

Jokic's offense as a scorer and playmaker shits all over Kahwit,and Kawhit's defense isn't at the same level of consistency as back in 2016 or so. He doesn't have the motor to be a 27ppg guy and DPOY level at the same time, not over a season anyway. As SBT said, when most elite scorers elevate themselves to a certain offensive level there tends to be a drop-off in defense.

[3ba11]

Jokic's offense as a scorer and playmaker shits all over Kahwit,and Kawhit's defense isn't at the same level of consistency as back in 2016 or so. He doesn't have the motor to be a 27ppg guy and DPOY level at the same time, not over a season anyway. As SBT said, when most elite scorers elevate themselves to a certain offensive level there tends to be a drop-off in defense.


lol

Joker was dominated by AD, while Kawhi demolished Embiid/Butler/Simmons/Tobias and then taught Giannis/Middleton how to win.. Then he embarrassed Curry/Klay/Dray in the Finals... This is after leading a bunch of old geezers over Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Allen..

So let's wait until Joker gets ONE triumph on his resume to match Kawhi's 100.. sheesh

[Phoenix]

lol

Joker was dominated by AD, while Kawhi demolished Embiid/Butler/Simmons/Tobias and then taught Giannis/Middleton how to win.. Then he embarrassed Curry/Klay/Dray in the Finals... This is after leading a bunch of old geezers over Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Allen..

So let's wait until Joker gets ONE triumph on his resume to match Kawhi's 100.. sheesh

And then the next year, lost to the Joker while giving up a 3-1 lead and going 6-22 for 14 points in game 7, as the favourite to win the title. Yeah Murray went off for 40 that game, but Joker 'only' did 16 points, 22 rebounds, 13 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks. And for the series, led the Nuggets in scoring, rebounds, assists and blocks.

Lol indeed....

[tontoz]

Luka has averaged 34/9/9 in two playoff series against the Clippers. Where was Kawhi's shutdown defense?

[tontoz]

To the OP that video started so slowly i had to turn it off lol. A couple of my favorite Bird games were when he went back and forth with Chuck Person and another against Nigue. Epic games that i happened to be watching live. They were incredible.


https://youtu.be/18Roy0sQyC4