LeBron James reaches 10,000 NBA regular season career assists

[insidehoops]

The NBA players with 10,000 or more regular season career assists:

John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Mark Jackson, Magic Johnson, and LeBron James.

[Nike D'Antoni]

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[Chuckbe]

How did CP get there quicker?

[Full Court]

He's also closing in on 5,000 turnovers. If he keeps up the current pace, he'll hit it next year.

[1987_Lakers]

How did CP get there quicker?

He got there earlier this season. He's averaged 9.5 apg throughout his career. Bron has averaged 7.4.

[1987_Lakers]

He's also closing in on 5,000 turnovers. If he keeps up the current pace, he'll hit it next year.

This is retarded, out of the players who are in the top 25 in career turnovers, like 23 of them are HOF players.

[Full Court]

This is retarded, out of the players who are in the top 25 in career turnovers, like 23 of them are HOF players.

So a statement of fact is "retarded." You sound triggered.

[1987_Lakers]

So a statement of fact is "retarded." You sound triggered.

You came into this thread to try to devalue 10,000 assists, not me. The one who is triggered is you.

[3ba11]

#1 in turnovers

#1 in bad brand/strategy

Big man ball-dominance is the worst kind of ball-dominance and therefore the worst brand of basketball that any player ever had

Since it's the worst brand and strategy, it needs the most help (super-teams) and still yields perennial underdogs

[Full Court]

You came into this thread to try to devalue 10,000 assists, not me. The one who is triggered is you.

But it's all about the assist/turnover ratio, right???

[1987_Lakers]

#1 in turnovers

#1 in bad brand/strategy

Big man ball-dominance is the worst kind of ball-dominance and therefore the worst brand of basketball that any player ever had

Since it's the worst brand and strategy, it needs the most help (super-teams) and still yields perennial underdogs

Isiah Thomas led the league in turnovers two times, 4 times he was #2 in turnovers and that didn't stop him from beating MJ 3 straight years.

:oldlol:

[SATAN]

Isiah Thomas led the league in turnovers two times, 4 times he was #2 in turnovers and that didn't stop him from beating MJ 3 straight years.

:oldlol:

Brutal. :lol

[3ba11]

Isiah Thomas led the league in turnovers two times, 4 times he was #2 in turnovers and that didn't stop him from beating MJ 3 straight years.

:oldlol:


Being #1 all-time is what matters to you, and Lebron is #1 all-time in turnovers, not Isiah, whose turnovers are normal for a point guard - Lebron is #1 despite not starting at point guard - imagine a big man that's a turnover machine... :yaohappy:...

and you wonder why his baby brand of ball (big man ball-dominance) can't win without the league letting him hand-pick his teams like a baby..

[1987_Lakers]

Being #1 all-time is what matters to you, and Lebron is #1 all-time in turnovers, not Isiah, whose turnovers are normal for a point guard - Lebron is #1 despite not starting at point guard - imagine a big man that's a turnover machine... :yaohappy:...

and you wonder why his baby brand of ball (big man ball-dominance) can't win without the league letting him hand-pick his teams like a baby..

Who said it matters to me? It's a great accomplishment but him breaking the points record for example doesn't make him the GOAT scorer, Isiah actually led the NBA in turnovers a couple of seasons, LeBron never did.

And your retarded "ball-dominance" argument has already been proven wrong. The Lakers won 5 titles in the 80's with Magic handling the ball the majority of the times, beating some all-time great teams in the process.

LeBron won two titles against all-time great ball-movement teams in the Spurs & Warriors, a style of play that you value so much. The fact that you still argue this "ball-dominance sucks" BS just shows how dumb you are.

[tpols]

Isiah Thomas led the league in turnovers two times, 4 times he was #2 in turnovers and that didn't stop him from beating MJ 3 straight years.

:oldlol:

Isiahs team didn't win because of isiah. They won because they had a HOF stacked cast. :lol

[Full Court]

Who said it matters to me? It's a great accomplishment but him breaking the points record for example doesn't make him the GOAT scorer, Isiah actually led the NBA in turnovers a couple of seasons, LeBron never did.

And your retarded "ball-dominance" argument has already been proven wrong. The Lakers won 5 titles in the 80's with Magic handling the ball the majority of the times, beating some all-time great teams in the process.

LeBron won two titles against all-time great ball-movement teams in the Spurs & Warriors, a style of play that you value so much. The fact that you still argue this "ball-dominance sucks" BS just shows how dumb you are.

The fact that Lebron managed to win 4 titles speaks to how stacked his teams were, and also that he's unique among ball dominators in that he managed to actually win like that (unlike, say, Harden).

But the fact that he's lost more than he's won speaks to how inferior that system is.

[3ba11]

Who said it matters to me? It's a great accomplishment but him breaking the points record for example doesn't make him the GOAT scorer, Isiah actually led the NBA in turnovers a couple of seasons, LeBron never did.

And your retarded "ball-dominance" argument has already been proven wrong. The Lakers won 5 titles in the 80's with Magic handling the ball the majority of the times, beating some all-time great teams in the process.

LeBron won two titles against all-time great ball-movement teams in the Spurs & Warriors, a style of play that you value so much. The fact that you still argue this "ball-dominance sucks" BS just shows how dumb you are.


Magic wasn't the highest-ranked player on his team - those were Kareem's teams

The fact that Magic is only 5-4 in the Finals with the so-called goat confirms that his ball-dominance WASN'T optimal and underachieved the team's talent - Lebron/Magic are 9-10 in the Finals, so if the best ball-dominators in history are losers with super-teams, then the style is confirmed as suboptimal.

Otoh, the on-ball and off-ball assassins with elite jumpshooting skill like Bird, MJ, Kobe, Kawhi, KD, Curry and Dirk have amazing Finals records.

And Lebron has a lottery record against ball movement teams like the Spurs, Warriors and Mavs - literally the worst championship record in 3-pointer history, thus confirming what I'm saying.. It's the historical record, not my opinion... You want dates?

[1987_Lakers]

The fact that Lebron managed to win 4 titles speaks to how stacked his teams were, and also that he's unique among ball dominators in that he managed to actually win like that (unlike, say, Harden).

But the fact that he's lost more than he's won speaks to how inferior that system is.

Coming from a guy who has Wilt as his #3 player of all time. The guy who lost routinely with stacked teams.

Magic won 5 titles with stacked teams as well, when is that ever held against him? And I wouldn't call the 2020 Lakers stacked.

Bron has 4 titles, which is more than any active NBA player, and more than Bird or Hakeem, etc, the fact that you think his system sucks because he lost more than he won just shows how dumb you are. MJ lost more than he won, so did Duncan, Shaq, & Magic. Only Bill Russell can say he won more than he lost. Do you have any idea how dumb you sound?

[1987_Lakers]

Magic wasn't the highest-ranked player on his team - those were Kareem's teams


Yup, '87 & '88 when the Lakers won back to back titles with Kareem averaging 17 & 14 points were his teams. :oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

Only bron stains would celebrate stats after watching bron play like shit and get curb stomped

[3ba11]

Yup, '87 & '88 when the Lakers won back to back titles with Kareem averaging 17 & 14 points were his teams. :oldlol:


Worthy led those Lakers and Magic only ever got destroyed without Kareem - see 1990 when KJ blew his doors off and upset his 1 seed.... or 91' with MJ

So the historical record shows that without Kareem, Magic's ball-dominance let the defense rest, so they had more capacity to go off offensively like KJ and MJ's blowout wins

Those were similar to Lebron's blowout losses or upsets in 2014 or 2011 or 2009..

Again, if the greatest ball-dominators in history can't win with super-teams (9-10 in the Finals with many upset losses as well), then ball-dominance is suboptimal

[Full Court]

Coming from a guy who has Wilt as his #3 player of all time. The guy who lost routinely with stacked teams.

Magic won 5 titles with stacked teams as well, when is that ever held against him? And I wouldn't call the 2020 Lakers stacked.

Bron has 4 titles, which is more than any active NBA player, and more than Bird or Hakeem, etc, the fact that you think his system sucks because he lost more than he won just shows how dumb you are. MJ lost more than he won, so did Duncan, Shaq, & Magic. Only Bill Russell can say he won more than he lost. Do you have any idea how dumb you sound?

I have a good idea of how dumb you sound. You really think Wilt's teams were more stacked than Russell's? MJ lost more than he won. Hmmmmm. 6 championships in 15 years. How does that compare to 4 championships in 19 years?

[k 96]

Empty Stats and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa PATHETIC LOSS! hahahahaha.... HA!

le ESPNHYPE james

[1987_Lakers]

I have a good idea of how dumb you sound. You really think Wilt's teams were more stacked than Russell's? MJ lost more than he won. Hmmmmm. 6 championships in 15 years. How does that compare to 4 championships in 19 years?

From '66-'69? Sure.

Just look at the '69 Finals

Wilt had a prime Jerry West and also Elgin Baylor. Lakers were big favorites to win that series and lost.

Wilt's teams also had multiple hall of fame teammates with the Sixers.

And he went 1-3 vs Russell in that span.

[Full Court]

Empty Stats and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa PATHETIC LOSS! hahahahaha.... HA!

le ESPNHYPE james

Even the ESPN commentators acknowledged that Bronie only cares about gunning for the scoring title now.

The Bronie Bunch on ISH are the only people left on the planet who won't acknowledge this about LeStatpad.

[1987_Lakers]

Worthy led those Lakers and Magic only ever got destroyed without Kareem - see 1990 when KJ blew his doors off and upset his 1 seed.... or 91' with MJ

Imagine being this retarded.

[1987_Lakers]

From '66-'69? Sure.

Just look at the '69 Finals

Wilt had a prime Jerry West and also Elgin Baylor. Lakers were big favorites to win that series and lost.

Wilt's teams also had multiple hall of fame teammates with the Sixers.

And he went 1-3 vs Russell in that span.

To add to this, the Lakers from '70-'73 were just as talented as the Knicks and they went 1-2 against them in the Finals.

Wilt was losing with some stacked teams as well.

[Full Court]

From '66-'69? Sure.

Just look at the '69 Finals

Wilt had a prime Jerry West and also Elgin Baylor. Lakers were big favorites to win that series and lost.

Wilt's teams also had multiple hall of fame teammates with the Sixers.

And he went 1-3 vs Russell in that span.

So your metric in judging a team 50 years later is simply by how many hall of famers they had? By that logic, the 2022 Lakers are the most stacked team ever. When all is said and done they'll have 5 HOFers.

[1987_Lakers]

So your metric in judging a team 50 years later is simply by how many hall of famers they had? By that logic, the 2022 Lakers are the most stacked team ever. When all is said and done they'll have 5 HOFers.

You do realize Wilt's teams had a better record than the Celtics in every season from 1966 to 1969 right?? That's 4 seasons.

Man, you are so easy to argue against.

[HoopsNY]

Congratulations to the King

[Full Court]

You do realize Wilt's teams had a better record than the Celtics in every season from 1966 to 1969 right?? That's 4 seasons.

Man, you are so easy to argue against.

Lol. You're bringing up irrelevant stuff from 50 years ago that has nothing to do with my original point that you're allegedly arguing against.

You're trying to change the debate from my observations about Lebron's deficiencies, which you haven't put up a good argument to refute, to "But you have Wilt as top three!"

Ok. So Wilt's team had a better regular season record than Russell's from 66-69. Congratulations.

Lebron is still an underachiever. :confusedshrug:

[1987_Lakers]

Lol. You're bringing up irrelevant stuff from 50 years ago that has nothing to do with my original point that you're allegedly arguing against.

You're trying to change the debate from my observations about Lebron's deficiencies, which you haven't put up a good argument to refute, to "But you have Wilt as top three!"

Ok. So Wilt's team had a better regular season record than Russell's from 66-69. Congratulations.

Lebron is still an underachiever. :confusedshrug:

LOL. Look at you backtracking from the convo, you are the one who challenged what I said about Wilt and now you want to back off cause you got handled. :oldlol:

[Full Court]

LOL. Look at you backtracking from the convo, you are the one who challenged what I said about Wilt and now you want to back off? :oldlol:

Seriously? Russell's team was more stacked than Wilt's. That's my opinion. Regardless of regular season record, which anyone who knows basketball understands is not the sole measure of a team. By your logic, the Grizzlies are more stacked than the Nets this year.

Your problem is that you look strictly at paper stats from 50 years ago, apart from any context, and draw conclusions from it.

And it's still completely irrelevant to my point that Lebron is an underachiever. Which you have yet to even attempt an intelligent refutation of.

[Ainosterhaspie]

LeTriple Quintuple. The one and only.

[coastalmarker99]

To add to this, the Lakers from '70-'73 were just as talented as the Knicks and they went 1-2 against them in the Finals.

Wilt was losing with some stacked teams as well.

Now, this is plain disingenuous.


You conveniently leave out the fact that Chamberlain was only four months removed from major knee surgery in the 1970 Finals.


Or the fact that his 46-36 Lakers were under-dogs to a HOF-laden 60-22 Knicks team that had HCA.



Also for the record in the 1973 finals.


The Knicks had 5 of the top 75 players of all time on their team plus Bill Bradley, for God's sake.


While West who was Wilt's best teammate was dogged by pulled hamstrings in both of his legs


You have to wonder, given three of the Lakers' four losses in the 1973 finals were by a margin of only 4-5 points

If the Lakers would have won the title had West been 100% healthy.

[Manny98]

But it's all about the assist/turnover ratio, right???
He has over a 2:1 assist to turnover which is good

[coastalmarker99]

From '66-'69? Sure.

Just look at the '69 Finals

Wilt had a prime Jerry West and also Elgin Baylor. Lakers were big favorites to win that series and lost.

Wilt's teams also had multiple hall of fame teammates with the Sixers.

And he went 1-3 vs Russell in that span.


1966: Sixers were not better than the Celtics.


They won 1 game more, but the Celtics had played some games without Russell, so, their 54-26 record isn't telling the whole truth.

They were coached by someone who, when he left the Sixers in that season, was never trusted again by any NBA team for the nest 5 seasons (you'd expect from someone who won 55 games to have had a lot more demand in the market) and when he was, it was from the worst team in the league, for only a single season.



Also, all of Wilt's teammates played like absolute shit in the 1966 playoffs


As Wilt averaged 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, and shot .50.9 from the field.

While Wilt's teammates collectively shot ...get this... .35.2 from the field!



1968: An injury-plagued team in the playoffs.


When they faced the Celtics, 4 out of their 5 most impactful players were hurt (Cunningham didn't even play).


Knowing that this series still went to 7 games and that 3 of their 4 losses were close, it's pretty easy to assume that a healthy Sixers team (or, at least, a Sixer team equally healthy to the Celtics) could still have won the series.



1969


It was the worst series of Wilt's career, and he deserves some blame for the loss to the Celtics that year.


But Van Breda Kolf the Lakers coach at the time hated Wilt's guts and did not even try to properly integrate him into the team's offence.


Plus Baylor had visibly declined after his knee injury in 1965 and West despite being the better player deferred to Baylor who took the most shots on mediocre efficiency.

[TheGoatest]

He did it! :eek: He friggin, fookin did it!! :applause:
What a masterpiece of a basketball player. They now literally need to add an extra digit to fit his career totals, a digit that no other player in history has. :eek: