Lebron has been terrible this year

[Bronbron23]

All the stat stans see is amazing numbers but they either don't watch games or don't understand basketball. Brons leadership has been terrible and his defense has been even worse. How in the hell can you win games when your center who's the most important defensive piece dosn't get back on defense? On top of that when he does get back he dosn't hustle when helping or rotating defensively? On offense it's almost just as bad. Yeah he gets his numbers but he dies it while holding the ball forever. There's little to no off ball movement in the lakers offense. It's just bad basketball all around.

[sdot_thadon]

All the stat stans see is amazing numbers but they either don't watch games or don't understand basketball. Brons leadership has been terrible and his defense has been even worse. How in the hell can you win games when your center who's the most important defensive piece dosn't get back on defense? On top of that when he does get back he dosn't hustle when helping or rotating defensively? On offense it's almost just as bad. Yeah he gets his numbers but he dies it while holding the ball forever. There's little to no off ball movement in the lakers offense. It's just bad basketball all around.

I love it, will we ever see another player pull 19 seasons of fans living and dying with every season, every game....down to every play? Amazing. Tbh the Lakers just aren't good this year, it is what it is. Other greats have already done this years prior. Even his goat rivals. What I want to know is why? Why suddenly that he's crossing these thresholds has it become big deal? Legacy defining in year 19? Pfffttt.

[StrongLurk]

All the stat stans see is amazing numbers but they either don't watch games or don't understand basketball. Brons leadership has been terrible and his defense has been even worse. How in the hell can you win games when your center who's the most important defensive piece dosn't get back on defense? On top of that when he does get back he dosn't hustle when helping or rotating defensively? On offense it's almost just as bad. Yeah he gets his numbers but he dies it while holding the ball forever. There's little to no off ball movement in the lakers offense. It's just bad basketball all around.

I've watched plenty of games and here are the facts.

Fact 1: Lebron, at 37 years old with a massive amount of minutes played (haters really need to understand this) has been really good on offense all year. Legit, he has been REALLY GOOD. The Bron haters are choosing to ignore context and that Bron is doing what NO ONE has done at his age/mileage. To suggest that he has been "terrible" this year is a very strange thing to do...like Bron has legit SPOILED everyone with his amazing prime/longevity that so many people have forgotten the SORRY state of affairs that most superstars are in at 37 years old (i.e mostly retired for a long time or a complete shell of themselves). Also, Bron legit gets no free throws compared to the other best scorers in the league by a large amount, so it's again amazing he is scoring this much (Bron's free throw rate is .279, Giannis/Embiid are over .620 which is a huge, absurd difference).

Fact 2: Lebron has for sure been a terrible leader this year ever since AD started his injury train for the season. I agree with the "haters" pointing this out. Basically he knows they won't do shit without AD and he also doesn't seem to like Westbrook...and I'm guessing he knows he can't truly carry a team anymore through the WHOLE reg season at this stage of his career, which I think makes sense lol.

Fact 3: Lebron has been bad on defense for the second half of the season. He was good the first half when he had more energy/stamina and AD playing...but he has clearly been only able to play one side of the ball for the second half of the season. Bron is basically good for a couple good blocks/steals/deflections and decent rotations...but that applies to maybe 25% of the defense played lol...he is not good the rest. But honestly, what do people expect at his age? Also does this make Bron any worse than other superstars/stars who can't play defense (Curry, Luka, Trae, etc.)? It's legit amazing Bron is even at this level...everyone needs to appreciate that. Of course, you also need to ignore his stans still claiming he's the best in the world when he definitely isn't.

Lebron is literally 4th in PER, 5th in VORP, 5th in BPM, 15th in WS, 4th in minutes played, leads the league in scoring/shots made (while only being ranked 74th in the WHOLE NBA in free throw rate which is absurd, Giannis/Embiid gets more than double the free throw attempts per shot comparatively), and is elite in other categories as well ALL at age 37. You can certainly hate on his leadership/personality and his lack of defense the second half of the years...but he is objectively still a top 5-8 player in the league right now.

[Shogon]

It's just bad basketball all around.

Yes, the guy that's right near the tip top of leading the league in scoring of ~450 players and an additional hundreds of thousands if not millions just wishing they could try for a spot in the league is playing bad basketball "all around."

Honestly I'm not even sure how LeBron ever made the league. Must be a conspiracy. Dude's been trash since day 0.

[Bronbron23]

I love it, will we ever see another player pull 19 seasons of fans living and dying with every season, every game....down to every play? Amazing. Tbh the Lakers just aren't good this year, it is what it is. Other greats have already done this years prior. Even his goat rivals. What I want to know is why? Why suddenly that he's crossing these thresholds has it become big deal? Legacy defining in year 19? Pfffttt.

Who said anything about legacy defining season? His legacy is already set regardless of how bad he is from here on out. He's playing with house money at this point. It's just weird how his stans go on about how great He's been this year when he's been anything but. You play the game to win not get stats and the he's not playing winning basketball this year.

[Bronbron23]

Yes, the guy leading the league in scoring of ~450 players when millions would like to be in the league is playing bad basketball "all around."

Honestly I'm not even sure how LeBron ever made the league. Must be a conspiracy. Dude's been trash since day 0.

Yup he is playing bad. You play to win not get stats.

[Shogon]

It's just weird how his stans go on about how great He's been this year when he's been anything but.

Sort of how like irrational detractors go on and on about how he's playing "bad basketball all around."

They couldn't possibly be two sides of the same coin that is LeBron James Derangement Syndrome.

Oh no, no chance.

Just his fanboys are irrational. No one else.

[Shogon]

Yup he is playing bad. You play to win not get stats.

I know, I agree with you... I just said dude's been trash since before he entered the league. The league desperately needed someone athletic to try to take the place of MJ and that is literally 100% of the reason why LeBron has had the career he's had.

On merit? Shouldn't even be in the league. Terrible player in reality. Absolute garbage trash.

[tontoz]

For the record Lebron's BPM of 7.9 is very good. For comparison Luka is at 8.1. Morant 6.1.

Lebron's DBPM of 1.1 isnt great but not awful either.

[Shogon]

For the record Lebron's BPM of 7.9 is very good. For comparison Luka is at 8.1. Morant 6.1.

Wait what?

But the Grizzlies have a good record. Lakers have a bad record.

Therefore, Morant is MVP of the league.

HUH?

LeBozo should LeTire because he is LeGarbage but instead he's going to keep LeJuicing and LeCheating.

[Airupthere]

Wait what?

But the Grizzlies have a good record. Lakers have a bad record.

Therefore, Morant is MVP of the league.

HUH?

LeBozo should LeTire because he is LeGarbage but instead he's going to keep LeJuicing and LeCheating.

Lol you need to LeRax

[1987_Lakers]

Wait what?

But the Grizzlies have a good record. Lakers have a bad record.

Therefore, Morant is MVP of the league.

HUH?

LeBozo should LeTire because he is LeGarbage but instead he's going to keep LeJuicing and LeCheating.

:oldlol:

This is how Bron haters sound like.

[Hey Yo]

Yup he is playing bad. You play to win not get stats.

Why not use your nineiron alt for this dumb thread?

[2ball]

LeBron has been underwhelming. His stats have little to no impact when translating to wins

[Kblaze8855]

As Head scratching as it was trying to explain why Andrew Wiggins was too good to call a bad player in the years since people have tried the shoe horn both Giannis and LeBron into that argument as well. I always tell myself that nobody could be so stupid so it has to be trolling but it’s always people who are acting like they are dead serious and have no idea why anyone finds what they’re saying to be ludicrous.

At this point if we could just auto ban anyone who has referenced Lebron in more than 40% of their posts pro or anti we would probably not lose one person worth keeping.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yup he is playing bad. You play to win not get stats.

He is making mockery of your retardation.

[Bronbron23]

I've watched plenty of games and here are the facts.

Fact 1: Lebron, at 37 years old with a massive amount of minutes played (haters really need to understand this) has been really good on offense all year. Legit, he has been REALLY GOOD. The Bron haters are choosing to ignore context and that Bron is doing what NO ONE has done at his age/mileage. To suggest that he has been "terrible" this year is a very strange thing to do...like Bron has legit SPOILED everyone with his amazing prime/longevity that so many people have forgotten the SORRY state of affairs that most superstars are in at 37 years old (i.e mostly retired for a long time or a complete shell of themselves). Also, Bron legit gets no free throws compared to the other best scorers in the league by a large amount, so it's again amazing he is scoring this much (Bron's free throw rate is .279, Giannis/Embiid are over .620 which is a huge, absurd difference).

Fact 2: Lebron has for sure been a terrible leader this year ever since AD started his injury train for the season. I agree with the "haters" pointing this out. Basically he knows they won't do shit without AD and he also doesn't seem to like Westbrook...and I'm guessing he knows he can't truly carry a team anymore through the WHOLE reg season at this stage of his career, which I think makes sense lol.

Fact 3: Lebron has been bad on defense for the second half of the season. He was good the first half when he had more energy/stamina and AD playing...but he has clearly been only able to play one side of the ball for the second half of the season. Bron is basically good for a couple good blocks/steals/deflections and decent rotations...but that applies to maybe 25% of the defense played lol...he is not good the rest. But honestly, what do people expect at his age? Also does this make Bron any worse than other superstars/stars who can't play defense (Curry, Luka, Trae, etc.)? It's legit amazing Bron is even at this level...everyone needs to appreciate that. Of course, you also need to ignore his stans still claiming he's the best in the world when he definitely isn't.

Lebron is literally 4th in PER, 5th in VORP, 5th in BPM, 15th in WS, 4th in minutes played, leads the league in scoring/shots made (while only being ranked 74th in the WHOLE NBA in free throw rate which is absurd, Giannis/Embiid gets more than double the free throw attempts per shot comparatively), and is elite in other categories as well ALL at age 37. You can certainly hate on his leadership/personality and his lack of defense the second half of the years...but he is objectively still a top 5-8 player in the league right now.

I hear you bro you make some good points. I disagree a bit on him being great offensively. I can see why people think that. To me playing great offensively is getting great stats while playing the right way. Personally i don't think ball dominant style of play is good or smart basketball and that's how bron likes to play. He's literally choosing an inferior brand of ball because it benefits his stats. To me this isn't great it's selfish and hurts your team.

[Spurs m8]

He just isn't great offensively.

Absolutely kills his team

The Lakers offense, as a whole, is so embarrassing...hes the biggest part in that.

His D is non existent and he gets slaughtered even worse at C...and he doesn't even play at C against the good ones, like Adams, Gobert, Embiid, etc...

Hes such a huge part of them being so far below 500 and irrelevant

[ShawkFactory]

He just isn't great offensively.

Absolutely kills his team

The Lakers offense, as a whole, is so embarrassing...hes the biggest part in that.

His D is non existent and he gets slaughtered even worse at C...and he doesn't even play at C against the good ones, like Adams, Gobert, Embiid, etc...

Hes such a huge part of them being so far below 500 and irrelevant

So you actually think that if he was just removed that they would be better? Literally the other night against the Spurs the starting lineup was Westbrook, Dwight, Reaves, Monk, and THT. That is a legitimately bad starting 5. Four of those five aren't starters on 90% of teams.

And of the bench that played in that game (Carmelo, Stanley Johnson, Bradley, and Augustin), 3-4 wouldn't even get consistent minutes for most teams.

[tpols]

Last night the announcers were appalled at Lebrons lacksadaisical effort on defense. He put up a monster line down 30 all night and consistently gave up ever getting back. That's why people call out the fraud. He's sacrificing every winning intangible to ever exist to get personal numbers and accolades. How is that commendable?

[Spurs m8]

Last night the announcers were appalled at Lebrons lacksadaisical effort on defense. He put up a monster line down 30 all night and consistently gave up ever getting back. That's why people call out the fraud. He's sacrificing every winning intangible to ever exist to get personal numbers and accolades. How is that commendable?

It's not.

It's shameful

[Axe]

Kong's team is not even a threat in the upcoming playoffs anymore given their obvious dysmal record but despite that, it doesn't stop him from catching malone and kareem in total career points rn. Then as usual, his haters are fuming over this.

I'm not sure why but it does always seem to be a running gag that no matter how much of a great player he is, he often finds himself playing with dysfunctional rosters and this has been the case for years. What people don't realize is that it helps him boost many of his stats anyway, regardless if his team wins games or not. Put him in a much organized roster where he'll do a bit of a secondary role ala cp3 on the suns and things would be different. He'd be winning more games under that scenario but i doubt the stance of haters would change. They would be here calling him an old, washed bum more frequently i suppose.

[Johnny32]

Lebron is currently better than any version of mj post-1993. Deal with it, accept it or continue crying yourself to sleep every night over it.

[LeCola]

He seems to miss playoffs with a big 3 team.

[PeroAntic]

Lebron is currently better than any version of mj post-1993. Deal with it, accept it or continue crying yourself to sleep every night over it.

:oldlol:

Youre an idiot. Based on what? Field goal percentage? lol

This is Lebron's peak as a scorer but he basically needed to sacrifice everything else for that. Unless he scores 50, he allows more points than he scores.

[Full Court]

Yes, the guy that's right near the tip top of leading the league in scoring of ~450 players and an additional hundreds of thousands if not millions just wishing they could try for a spot in the league is playing bad basketball "all around."

Honestly I'm not even sure how LeBron ever made the league. Must be a conspiracy. Dude's been trash since day 0.

I know you're being sarcastic, but Lebron used to be good. He's just a net negative now. That's just the reality.

[Full Court]

Lebron is currently better than any version of mj post-1993. Deal with it, accept it or continue crying yourself to sleep every night over it.

:roll: Bronies......


The utter desperation of Jabroni32 manifests itself again. I guess that's what happens when your hero just can't. stop. losing.

[sdot_thadon]

Who said anything about legacy defining season? His legacy is already set regardless of how bad he is from here on out. He's playing with house money at this point. It's just weird how his stans go on about how great He's been this year when he's been anything but. You play the game to win not get stats and the he's not playing winning basketball this year.

Simply by effect of his 19th, that's right 19th season mattering this much to you. Especially whenever no ones 19th season has ever mattered like this in the history of the nba.

[Johnny32]

:oldlol:

Youre an idiot. Based on what? Field goal percentage? lol

This is Lebron's peak as a scorer but he basically needed to sacrifice everything else for that. Unless he scores 50, he allows more points than he scores.

Looks like she'll continue crying herself to sleep every night over it.

[Baller789]

Looks like she'll continue crying herself to sleep every night over it.

Nah, more like you can't get a 2 decade old retired player out of your head.

[Nilocon165]

I know you're being sarcastic, but Lebron used to be good. He's just a net negative now. That's just the reality.
Funny

[SATAN]

I remember a stretch of games where he played brilliant on both ends and the team (coach included) unintentionally did everything they could to lose anyway. Obviously it was over long ago. He said they aren't where they need to be to compete. You can call that bad leadership, which is fine but he would get criticized if he lied about the situation anyway. Whole season has been a disaster. He looks dejected in some games. I don't watch Lakers games expecting anything different to what's happening. :ohwell:

[Axe]

We haven't seen op for almost half a year now. Anybody know about his whereabouts today? :ohwell:

[beau_boy04]

Lebron is just playing to break Kareem's record, thats all. He's not playing to win games anymore, thats not his priority this season.

[Full Court]

Good thread bump. Lebron was indeed playing terrible when this thread was made, and he's only gotten worse since then. Lakers have some tough decisions to make.

[Spurs m8]

We haven't seen op for almost half a year now. Anybody know about his whereabouts today? :ohwell:

What a very strange bump and post.

There's no way you do much outside of this forum

[Axe]

^^Says the dingleberry bogan who clearly lied about having a family and a child with the way he spends so much time itb whining about a 37 year old athlete. :roll:

[Full Court]

Says the dingus who dresses up like a MERMAN.

:roll:

[Axe]

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[Full Court]

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[90sgoat]

Lebron should be the 6th man of the team or any other contender.

It's a shame he doesn't have any goals left of winning rings.

Lebron is still elite in the open floor and decent in the post. He would do well against lesser competition off the bench.

[Axe]

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[bison]

LeRoid transitioning to the secondary scorer has been a boon for the lakers. He is far and away the best second option in the league. What other second option can drop 30+ on any given night? LeSecondOption. The truth is lebron never needed help--lebron IS the help!