View Full Version : Why was Kobe as horrible in game 7s?
Johnny32
03-15-2022, 09:00 AM
I saw this the other day.
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Johnny32
03-15-2022, 09:01 AM
*so horrible
GimmeThat
03-15-2022, 09:25 AM
to me a lot has to do with franchise. last time the Lakers had a guy that could post up Jordan/James type stats in game 7, he was traded and later on won a ring without them.
Johnny32
03-15-2022, 11:36 AM
Anyone know? This is weird for a guy who is supposed to be clutch.
ImKobe
03-15-2022, 12:03 PM
Because some of those Game 7s weren't that close or fast-paced. His first Game 7 he had 25/11/7 4 blocks (led in all 4 categories for the Lakers) where he abused Pippen in crunch time to complete the Lakers' comeback. His 2nd one was against the Kings where he had 30/11/7. The Suns Game 7 was a blowout where he stopped shooting after scoring 23 in the 1st half as they got blown off the court in the 3rd. Rockets one wasn't close (Lakers led the entire time and were up 15-20+ pts like half the game) and he only played 33 minutes & took 12 shots to score 14 & played 1 minute in the 4th. He shot poorly in the Boston one but still had 23/15 & was clutch down the stretch so it wasn't a terrible game and his last Game 7 was against Denver in 2012 where the Lakers controlled the game (led for 38 minutes) and he finished with 17 & 8 ast and only made 1 out of 2 in the 4th with the shot being a dagger in the last minute to put the Nuggets out of reach.
He was clutch in the close games and didn't pad his numbers in the blowouts. Doesn't seem like "choking" to me. 5 - 1 in Game 7's with his only loss coming on the road is not bad by anyone's standards. Maybe someone should have told him to pull a Lebron in the Suns & Rockets game and just stat-pad so his averages would look good in the history books.
Johnny32
03-15-2022, 02:18 PM
Weird for such a "prolific" scorer with supposed killer mentality and other adjectives we can't measure to struggle so badly in these extreme clutch situations.
aj1987
03-15-2022, 02:49 PM
Because some of those Game 7s weren't that close or fast-paced. His first Game 7 he had 25/11/7 4 blocks (led in all 4 categories for the Lakers) where he abused Pippen in crunch time to complete the Lakers' comeback. His 2nd one was against the Kings where he had 30/11/7. The Suns Game 7 was a blowout where he stopped shooting after scoring 23 in the 1st half as they got blown off the court in the 3rd. Rockets one wasn't close (Lakers led the entire time and were up 15-20+ pts like half the game) and he only played 33 minutes & took 12 shots to score 14 & played 1 minute in the 4th. He shot poorly in the Boston one but still had 23/15 & was clutch down the stretch so it wasn't a terrible game and his last Game 7 was against Denver in 2012 where the Lakers controlled the game (led for 38 minutes) and he finished with 17 & 8 ast and only made 1 out of 2 in the 4th with the shot being a dagger in the last minute to put the Nuggets out of reach.
He was clutch in the close games and didn't pad his numbers in the blowouts. Doesn't seem like "choking" to me. 5 - 1 in Game 7's with his only loss coming on the road is not bad by anyone's standards. Maybe someone should have told him to pull a Lebron in the Suns & Rockets game and just stat-pad so his averages would look good in the history books.
He scored 22 PPG in G7's, you little cherry picking shit. :roll: :roll:
Also, if I'm not mistaken, his efficiency is horrible in those games and he has a losing record. Dude was trash in the clutch and in crucial game most of his career. Playing on the Lakers and his rabid and idiotic fanbase basically hyped up his overrated career.
Weird for such a "prolific" scorer with supposed killer mentality and other adjectives we can't measure to struggle so badly in these extreme clutch situations.
:roll: :roll:
Imagine what Imkobe would be spamming if LeBron averaged 22 PPG on sub 40% shooting and having a losing record in G7's.
Johnny32
03-15-2022, 03:25 PM
He scored 22 PPG in G7's, you little cherry picking shit. :roll: :roll:
Also, if I'm not mistaken, his efficiency is horrible in those games and he has a losing record. Dude was trash in the clutch and in crucial game most of his career. Playing on the Lakers and his rabid and idiotic fanbase basically hyped up his overrated career.
:roll: :roll:
Imagine what Imkobe would be spamming if LeBron averaged 22 PPG on sub 40% shooting and having a losing record in G7's.
Lol exactly.
Johnny32
03-15-2022, 03:27 PM
None of these embarrassingly delusional lebron haters hold their goat's to the same standards they hold lebron to. I wonder why?
j3lademaster
03-15-2022, 04:13 PM
He scored 22 PPG in G7's, you little cherry picking shit. :roll: :roll:
Also, if I'm not mistaken, his efficiency is horrible in those games and he has a losing record. Dude was trash in the clutch and in crucial game most of his career. Playing on the Lakers and his rabid and idiotic fanbase basically hyped up his overrated career.Kobe shot 39/37/67 with 4.5 3pt attempts and a +/- of 2.8 in those games while Lebron shot 49/33/78 with 6 3pt attempts and a +/- of 4.5. MJ went 0/2 from 3 in his 3 g7's and shot 46% fg and 82% fg. Jordan was also only recorded a +/- for the 3rd game which was 8, but he dominated the Knicks pretty badly in 92 so he may have the highest overall +/- avg.
Lebron has a very serious case as the greatest g7 performer of all time. Probably a better case than anyone else.
Because some of those Game 7s weren't that close or fast-paced. His first Game 7 he had 25/11/7 4 blocks (led in all 4 categories for the Lakers) where he abused Pippen in crunch time to complete the Lakers' comeback. His 2nd one was against the Kings where he had 30/11/7. The Suns Game 7 was a blowout where he stopped shooting after scoring 23 in the 1st half as they got blown off the court in the 3rd. Rockets one wasn't close (Lakers led the entire time and were up 15-20+ pts like half the game) and he only played 33 minutes & took 12 shots to score 14 & played 1 minute in the 4th. He shot poorly in the Boston one but still had 23/15 & was clutch down the stretch so it wasn't a terrible game and his last Game 7 was against Denver in 2012 where the Lakers controlled the game (led for 38 minutes) and he finished with 17 & 8 ast and only made 1 out of 2 in the 4th with the shot being a dagger in the last minute to put the Nuggets out of reach.
He was clutch in the close games and didn't pad his numbers in the blowouts. Doesn't seem like "choking" to me. 5 - 1 in Game 7's with his only loss coming on the road is not bad by anyone's standards. Maybe someone should have told him to pull a Lebron in the Suns & Rockets game and just stat-pad so his averages would look good in the history books.
Great post.
No stat padding, Kobe was quality. Won more with less and in less time plus he was a much better and smarter bball player.
MadDog
03-15-2022, 04:26 PM
Because some of those Game 7s weren't that close or fast-paced. His first Game 7 he had 25/11/7 4 blocks (led in all 4 categories for the Lakers) where he abused Pippen in crunch time to complete the Lakers' comeback. His 2nd one was against the Kings where he had 30/11/7. The Suns Game 7 was a blowout where he stopped shooting after scoring 23 in the 1st half as they got blown off the court in the 3rd. Rockets one wasn't close (Lakers led the entire time and were up 15-20+ pts like half the game) and he only played 33 minutes & took 12 shots to score 14 & played 1 minute in the 4th. He shot poorly in the Boston one but still had 23/15 & was clutch down the stretch so it wasn't a terrible game and his last Game 7 was against Denver in 2012 where the Lakers controlled the game (led for 38 minutes) and he finished with 17 & 8 ast and only made 1 out of 2 in the 4th with the shot being a dagger in the last minute to put the Nuggets out of reach.
He was clutch in the close games and didn't pad his numbers in the blowouts. Doesn't seem like "choking" to me. 5 - 1 in Game 7's with his only loss coming on the road is not bad by anyone's standards. Maybe someone should have told him to pull a Lebron in the Suns & Rockets game and just stat-pad so his averages would look good in the history books.
Good post with a lot of context I had forgotten. Kobe gets a little overrated imo, but this is another case where stats are misleading.
ImKobe
03-15-2022, 04:29 PM
He scored 22 PPG in G7's, you little cherry picking shit. :roll: :roll:
Also, if I'm not mistaken, his efficiency is horrible in those games and he has a losing record. Dude was trash in the clutch and in crucial game most of his career. Playing on the Lakers and his rabid and idiotic fanbase basically hyped up his overrated career.
:roll: :roll:
Imagine what Imkobe would be spamming if LeBron averaged 22 PPG on sub 40% shooting and having a losing record in G7's.
How am I cherrypicking when I talked about every Game 7 in Kobe's career?
He went 5 - 1 in Game 7s with the only loss coming on the road with him being the 7th seed on a bad team.
Are you off your meds or something? Or do you have trouble reading?
1987_Lakers
03-15-2022, 04:38 PM
He scored 22 PPG in G7's, you little cherry picking shit. :roll: :roll:
Also, if I'm not mistaken, his efficiency is horrible in those games and he has a losing record. Dude was trash in the clutch and in crucial game most of his career. Playing on the Lakers and his rabid and idiotic fanbase basically hyped up his overrated career.
:roll: :roll:
Imagine what Imkobe would be spamming if LeBron averaged 22 PPG on sub 40% shooting and having a losing record in G7's.
Preach brother
Charlie Sheen
03-15-2022, 04:48 PM
Because you'll never convince me Kobe was horrible in game 7's. If you look at the %'s in the box score for the g7 against the Kings, Kobe looks horrible. In reality that was one of the most complete and best games he ever played alongside Shaq. His engagement on the defensive end and work on the glass were exceptional. I'm not overstating it. He played his role on offense as a playmaker and let the game come to him.
I'm not saying anything about him being better than Lebron because I don't think he was. The two game 7's Kobe played with Shaq, he was masterful in the role he needed to be. Horrible is a misrepresentation of Kobe in g7's.
Preach brother
:roll:
If you live in LA and you're a Lakers fan, what do other lakers fans think of you? Never had issues with other la fans for disliking Kobe? Especially last couple of years.
Just genuinely curious, i don't mind you being a bronsexual it's just interesting.
Legend248
03-15-2022, 05:02 PM
He scored 22 PPG in G7's, you little cherry picking shit. :roll: :roll:
Also, if I'm not mistaken, his efficiency is horrible in those games and he has a losing record. Dude was trash in the clutch and in crucial game most of his career. Playing on the Lakers and his rabid and idiotic fanbase basically hyped up his overrated career.
:roll: :roll:
Imagine what Imkobe would be spamming if LeBron averaged 22 PPG on sub 40% shooting and having a losing record in G7's.
lol look at this ****** mother ****er only looking at stats but doesn't know the context in those games and the impact he did thats not in the stat book....you can talk shit to kobe all you want but at least he doesn't FLOP and complain after every ****ing call, I guess you like ******s that complain about everything you selfless stupid ass mother ****er, as I stated before DM me ill whip your ****ing ass
Johnny32
03-15-2022, 05:20 PM
That mamba mentality doe.
Manny98
03-15-2022, 05:32 PM
He's 5-1 in game 7s....
More to the game than "muh stats"
Johnny32
03-15-2022, 05:52 PM
He's 5-1 in game 7s....
More to the game than "muh stats"
Indeed there is more to the gm...like 4 other starters and 3/4 guys off the bench. Not everyone gets carried in the biggest games of their career though. Some players rise to the occasion...others watch as their teammates do it.
SouBeachTalents
03-15-2022, 07:32 PM
I can only imagine what Kobe stans would say if LeBron had this track record in Game 7's :lol
coastalmarker99
03-15-2022, 08:38 PM
Here are Kobe's averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games.
Game sevens
22.2 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)
8.0 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)
5.0 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)
1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)
1.0 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)
FG% 38.9% (Regular season career average is 44.7%)
FT% 67.3%(Regular season career average is 83.7%)
Elimination games
9 10 W-L record
22.3 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)
5.8 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)
3.5 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)
1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)
1.3 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)
FG 44.0%(Regular season career average is 44.7%)
TS% 50.3 (Regular season career average is 55.0%)
Cold soul
03-15-2022, 08:39 PM
Kobe usually wins games 7's that's all that matters to me.
Kobe usually wins games 7's that's all that matters to me.
Even with the help of a 73-win team, stephen curry couldn't do that in the finals lmfao.
coastalmarker99
03-15-2022, 08:49 PM
I can only imagine what Kobe stans would say if LeBron had this track record in Game 7's :lol
Here are Lebron's averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games.
Elimination games
15 10 W-L record
33.48 PPG (Regular season career average is 27.0 ppg)
10.76 RPG (Regular season career average is 7.4 rpg)
7.4 APG (Regular season career average is 7.4 APG)
1.0 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.7 BPG)
1.6 STL (Regular season career average is 1.6 STL)
FG% 48.8% Regular season career average is 50.4%)
Game sevens
6 2 W-L record
34.87 PPG (Regular season career average is 27.0 ppg)
9.87 RPG (Regular season career average is 7.4 rpg)
5.6 APG (Regular season career average is 7.4 APG)
0.8 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.7 BPG)
1.7 STL(Regular season career average is 1.6 STL)
3.6 TOV Regular season career average is 3.5 TOV)
FG% 48.7% Regular season career average is 50.4%)
It is amazing to me that
LeBron doubled Kobe's production on passing and rebounds, and 30% more scoring while being far more efficient.
In-game sevens and elimination games
Johnny32
03-15-2022, 08:49 PM
Lol so 22 ppg on 39% chucking. Good lord.
coastalmarker99
03-15-2022, 08:51 PM
Lol so 22 ppg on 39% chucking. Good lord.
Lebron and Jordan and Wilt are clearly three of the best elimination game performers in NBA history when you look at their overall stats.
Here are Wilt's numbers in 23 of his elimination games in the postseason...13 of which came against HOF starting centers.
12-11 W-L record
31.1 ppg (Regular season career average was 30.1 ppg)
26.1 rpg (Regular season career average was 22.9 rpg)
3.4 APG (Regular season career average was 4.4 APG)
54.0 FG% (Regular season career average was .54.0 FG%)
BTW, that .54.0 came against post-season NBA's that averaged an FG% of .43.5... or over 10% higher than the post-season league average!
3 games of 50+ points
5 games of 40+ points (including a Finals 40+ elimination game)
13 games of 30+ points
6 games of 30+ rebounds
20 games of 20+ rebounds
BTW, that 31.1 ppg ranks just behind MJ (31.3 ppg) all-time
Now here are Jordan's numbers
Elimination games
5 7 W-L record
31.0 PPG (Regular season career average is 30.1 ppg)
7.9 RPG (Regular season career average is 6.2 rpg)
7.0 APG (Regular season career average is 5.3 APG)
1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.8 BPG)
1.8 SPG (Regular season career average is 2.3 SPG)
TS% 53.8% (Regular season career average is 56.9%)
Johnny32
03-15-2022, 09:55 PM
Here are Lebron's averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games.
Elimination games
15 10 W-L record
33.48 PPG (Regular season career average is 27.0 ppg)
10.76 RPG (Regular season career average is 7.4 rpg)
7.4 APG (Regular season career average is 7.4 APG)
1.0 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.7 BPG)
1.6 STL (Regular season career average is 1.6 STL)
FG% 48.8% Regular season career average is 50.4%)
Game sevens
6 2 W-L record
34.87 PPG (Regular season career average is 27.0 ppg)
9.87 RPG (Regular season career average is 7.4 rpg)
5.6 APG (Regular season career average is 7.4 APG)
0.8 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.7 BPG)
1.7 STL(Regular season career average is 1.6 STL)
3.6 TOV Regular season career average is 3.5 TOV)
FG% 48.7% Regular season career average is 50.4%)
It is amazing to me that
LeBron doubled Kobe's production on passing and rebounds, and 30% more scoring while being far more efficient.
In-game sevens and elimination games
LeClutchGod.
aj1987
03-15-2022, 10:08 PM
How am I cherrypicking when I talked about every Game 7 in Kobe's career?
He went 5 - 1 in Game 7s with the only loss coming on the road with him being the 7th seed on a bad team.
Are you off your meds or something? Or do you have trouble reading?
I was confused with his elimination games. So, that's my bad. The point still stands though. A clutch game? Kobe is usually horrific in it.
There's a reason why he averaged 22 PPG in G7's and nearly the same in elimination games (with a losing record).
Thanks to Costal for breaking it down:
Game sevens
22.2 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)
8.0 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)
5.0 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)
1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)
1.0 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)
FG% 38.9% (Regular season career average is 44.7%)
FT% 67.3%(Regular season career average is 83.7%)
Elimination games
9 10 W-L record
22.3 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)
5.8 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)
3.5 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)
1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)
1.3 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)
FG 44.0%(Regular season career average is 44.7%)
TS% 50.3 (Regular season career average is 55.0%)
La Frescobaldi
03-16-2022, 01:08 AM
Kobe shot 39/37/67 with 4.5 3pt attempts and a +/- of 2.8 in those games while Lebron shot 49/33/78 with 6 3pt attempts and a +/- of 4.5. MJ went 0/2 from 3 in his 3 g7's and shot 46% fg and 82% fg. Jordan was also only recorded a +/- for the 3rd game which was 8, but he dominated the Knicks pretty badly in 92 so he may have the highest overall +/- avg.
Lebron has a very serious case as the greatest g7 performer of all time. Probably a better case than anyone else.
#1 Sam Jones
#2 Bill Russell
#3 John Havlicek
#4 LeBron James
That won’t change until the next atg appears. If then.
iamgine
03-16-2022, 03:29 AM
Prime Kobe's probably on the same level as Toronto Vince Carter. And that's only taken as an insult because people forget how good Air Canada was.
SouBeachTalents
03-16-2022, 08:13 AM
Prime Kobe's probably on the same level as Toronto Vince Carter. And that's only taken as an insult because people forget how good Air Canada was.
Nah, Kobe’s more on the level of Wade, Durant, Kawhi. All 4 were clearly better and more consistent than Vince was imo. Those 4 were perennial top 5 players and BITW candidates, Vince was never on that level.
PeroAntic
03-16-2022, 08:16 AM
Because you'll never convince me Kobe was horrible in game 7's. If you look at the %'s in the box score for the g7 against the Kings, Kobe looks horrible. In reality that was one of the most complete and best games he ever played alongside Shaq. His engagement on the defensive end and work on the glass were exceptional. I'm not overstating it. He played his role on offense as a playmaker and let the game come to him.
I'm not saying anything about him being better than Lebron because I don't think he was. The two game 7's Kobe played with Shaq, he was masterful in the role he needed to be. Horrible is a misrepresentation of Kobe in g7's.
Idiot Bran stains will never get it. For them its all about ppgz and fgzz
Johnny32
03-16-2022, 10:40 AM
The numbers are lying. Kobe bricking 6 out of every 10 shots is a lie. Hurrr.
FilmyCogTurner
03-16-2022, 05:54 PM
He scored 22 PPG in G7's, you little cherry picking shit. :roll: :roll:
Also, if I'm not mistaken, his efficiency is horrible in those games and he has a losing record. Dude was trash in the clutch and in crucial game most of his career. Playing on the Lakers and his rabid and idiotic fanbase basically hyped up his overrated career.
:roll: :roll:
Imagine what Imkobe would be spamming if LeBron averaged 22 PPG on sub 40% shooting and having a losing record in G7's.
I'm not trying to be rude or nothing but you're honestly a stupid person. I bet you have anger issues as well.
Baller789
03-16-2022, 08:45 PM
I'm not trying to be rude or nothing but you're honestly a stupid person. I bet you have anger issues as well.
Judging from his posting style he does. Kinda similar to Johhny32 and Axe.
You seem to be as autistic as op or even worse, puppy.
Baller789
03-17-2022, 08:28 PM
You seem to be as autistic as op or even worse, puppy.
Stop following me!
PeroAntic
03-18-2022, 07:15 PM
The numbers are lying. Kobe bricking 6 out of every 10 shots is a lie. Hurrr.
Yes idiot. Numbers without context is literally that - a lie.
contrary to popular belief, kobe played really poor in pressured moments
Johnny32
03-18-2022, 10:26 PM
contrary to popular belief, kobe played really poor in pressured moments
indeed. i believe he's at 40% chucking for his finals career lol. pretty decent sample.
ImKobe
03-19-2022, 01:46 PM
contrary to popular belief, kobe played really poor in pressured moments
How was he poor when he went 5 - 1 in Game 7s with clutch plays on both ends and has a 5 - 2 Finals record? He also has the most game-winners all-time.
His first Game 7 was at 21 years old with Portland locking down peak Shaq, and he went up 1 on 1 against Pippen (who was still a great defender at that point) with everything on the line and torched him one play after another in the 4th quarter. That same run Shaq fouls out on the road of a huge Finals game (Lakers either go up 3 - 1 or Indiana ties the series with Game 5 at home) and he delivers on one leg. He also closes out Game 6 with clutch FTs to secure their first championship.
https://i.gyazo.com/f94d1e51db4de77eceb8b2b31d26aaae.png
But that's considered "really poor", right? Weird how his teams won so many close games with him taking the most shots and being really poor as a closer.
aj1987
04-06-2022, 06:23 PM
How was he poor when he went 5 - 1 in Game 7s with clutch plays on both ends and has a 5 - 2 Finals record? He also has the most game-winners all-time.
His first Game 7 was at 21 years old with Portland locking down peak Shaq, and he went up 1 on 1 against Pippen (who was still a great defender at that point) with everything on the line and torched him one play after another in the 4th quarter. That same run Shaq fouls out on the road of a huge Finals game (Lakers either go up 3 - 1 or Indiana ties the series with Game 5 at home) and he delivers on one leg. He also closes out Game 6 with clutch FTs to secure their first championship.
But that's considered "really poor", right? Weird how his teams won so many close games with him taking the most shots and being really poor as a closer.
Dude was beyond trash in the clutch. There's a reason why he usually is ranked in and around the 10-12 spot all time. Dude wasn't on top 5 level, let alone being on LeBron's level.
https://i.postimg.cc/ydqJdpvv/275142078-1179337769476738-8953484692703643051-n.webp
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