white collar crime can be savage

[highwhey]

got a client that owes me like 20k from a project we completed back in september. guy has thrown every excuse at me for no payment. he disconnected his phone number this week and is ducking any communication. luckily i filed a lien on his property. which he is now challenging claiming i last worked on his property in july, which would make be out of the 120 days from when i filed the lien. dumbass forgot we have text messages and time stamped photos proving otherwise. funny how the law works, if i was lying i'd be charge with a felony, but his lying claims of me lying are legal :rolleyes:

anyhow, i get contacted by a "collection agency" out of texas. i looked up their phone number, they have a website, they are registered with the state of texas, etc. they offer to collect on my behalf. i agree, sign an agreement. 24hours later they call me "We have payment! we just need you to forward a notarized unconditional lien waiver". to which i said "under no circumstance will i sign an unconditional waiver, i will gladly forward a conditional waiver however".

unconditional lien waiver=released ANYONE from any obligation to pay me

conditional lien waiver=says i will release the lien on the property ONLY if I am paid

so i start asking a lot of questions..."you guys contacted me out of nowehere, and you claim you have the money but you want me to sign a document saying i will release the waiver regardless if i have been paid or not, no thank you."

turns out, the client is behind this whole thing, the collection agency are HIS people :roll:

holy sheeeit, this guy is trying to run a scam on me. i knew it soudned fishy when they called the next day saying they had it sorted out. i knew the client was a pathological liar, but i didn't think he had it in him to put up a website for a fake collections agency to try to get out of paying me that money :roll:

all this meanwhile he has his store running. apparently he goes around screwing subcontractors out of money and countersues when they try to collect payment. i'll be lucky if i get 5,000 out of this. :facepalm

[Norcaliblunt]

Damn that sucks man. I don’t even know what to say. Good luck.

[Shogon]

got a client that owes me like 20k from a project we completed back in september. guy has thrown every excuse at me for no payment. he disconnected his phone number this week and is ducking any communication. luckily i filed a lien on his property. which he is now challenging claiming i last worked on his property in july, which would make be out of the 120 days from when i filed the lien. dumbass forgot we have text messages and time stamped photos proving otherwise. funny how the law works, if i was lying i'd be charge with a felony, but his lying claims of me lying are legal :rolleyes:

anyhow, i get contacted by a "collection agency" out of texas. i looked up their phone number, they have a website, they are registered with the state of texas, etc. they offer to collect on my behalf. i agree, sign an agreement. 24hours later they call me "We have payment! we just need you to forward a notarized unconditional lien waiver". to which i said "under no circumstance will i sign an unconditional waiver, i will gladly forward a conditional waiver however".

unconditional lien waiver=released ANYONE from any obligation to pay me

conditional lien waiver=says i will release the lien on the property ONLY if I am paid

so i start asking a lot of questions..."you guys contacted me out of nowehere, and you claim you have the money but you want me to sign a document saying i will release the waiver regardless if i have been paid or not, no thank you."

turns out, the client is behind this whole thing, the collection agency are HIS people :roll:

holy sheeeit, this guy is trying to run a scam on me. i knew it soudned fishy when they called the next day saying they had it sorted out. i knew the client was a pathological liar, but i didn't think he had it in him to put up a website for a fake collections agency to try to get out of paying me that money :roll:

all this meanwhile he has his store running. apparently he goes around screwing subcontractors out of money and countersues when they try to collect payment. i'll be lucky if i get 5,000 out of this. :facepalm


https://youtu.be/yytJ_34H1L0?t=50

Skip to 50 seconds in if it doesn't automatically do it for you.

[FultzNationRISE]

We believe you.

[jstern]

I believe the story. Other than the $20,000, it has the ring of truth to it.

[warriorfan]

We believe you.

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Not gonna lie, that guy is clever for pulling that off. I could see alot of people falling for that.

[Cleverness]

got a client that owes me like 20k from a project we completed back in september. guy has thrown every excuse at me for no payment. he disconnected his phone number this week and is ducking any communication. luckily i filed a lien on his property. which he is now challenging claiming i last worked on his property in july, which would make be out of the 120 days from when i filed the lien. dumbass forgot we have text messages and time stamped photos proving otherwise. funny how the law works, if i was lying i'd be charge with a felony, but his lying claims of me lying are legal :rolleyes:

anyhow, i get contacted by a "collection agency" out of texas. i looked up their phone number, they have a website, they are registered with the state of texas, etc. they offer to collect on my behalf. i agree, sign an agreement. 24hours later they call me "We have payment! we just need you to forward a notarized unconditional lien waiver". to which i said "under no circumstance will i sign an unconditional waiver, i will gladly forward a conditional waiver however".

unconditional lien waiver=released ANYONE from any obligation to pay me

conditional lien waiver=says i will release the lien on the property ONLY if I am paid

so i start asking a lot of questions..."you guys contacted me out of nowehere, and you claim you have the money but you want me to sign a document saying i will release the waiver regardless if i have been paid or not, no thank you."

turns out, the client is behind this whole thing, the collection agency are HIS people :roll:

holy sheeeit, this guy is trying to run a scam on me. i knew it soudned fishy when they called the next day saying they had it sorted out. i knew the client was a pathological liar, but i didn't think he had it in him to put up a website for a fake collections agency to try to get out of paying me that money :roll:

all this meanwhile he has his store running. apparently he goes around screwing subcontractors out of money and countersues when they try to collect payment. i'll be lucky if i get 5,000 out of this. :facepalm

Damn bro. The Constitution gives him no Right to do that.

Have you tried asking bladefd what you can do (legally) about this situation?

[Long Duck Dong]

Trying to collect is too much stress. I used to get worked up over it, lose sleep because I was angry, think of all kinds of ways on how to collect, send my criminal brother to jam them up where they live, etc. It's just too much of a headache. I just send them off to collections now and if I get fifty on the dollar I'm happy but to tell you the truth they've only been able to collect a significant percentage of the debt one time among the 6 or 7 clients I've sent to them. My only solace is that their credit is being damaged and I dream they get denied a home loan one day because of my debt on their credit report. :oldlol:

It's always the small bottom feeders who burn me anyways. I have a few guys that owe me money now, fortunately there's not a lot of people in my area that can do what I do, and eventually they are going to need me, so I'm fairly confident I'll get paid but if not oh well.

I've wanted to put a lien on a debtor's property or equipment before but I've never had the time and willpower to do so.Good on you for being aggressive with the scumbag. Good luck

[highwhey]

https://youtu.be/yytJ_34H1L0?t=50

Skip to 50 seconds in if it doesn't automatically do it for you.

:roll: les b honest, i'm too pretty for prison

[highwhey]

Trying to collect is too much stress. I used to get worked up over it, lose sleep because I was angry, think of all kinds of ways on how to collect, send my criminal brother to jam them up where they live, etc. It's just too much of a headache. I just send them off to collections now and if I get fifty on the dollar I'm happy but to tell you the truth they've only been able to collect a significant percentage of the debt one time among the 6 or 7 clients I've sent to them. My only solace is that their credit is being damaged and I dream they get denied a home loan one day because of my debt on their credit report. :oldlol:

It's always the small bottom feeders who burn me anyways. I have a few guys that owe me money now, fortunately there's not a lot of people in my area that can do what I do, and eventually they are going to need me, so I'm fairly confident I'll get paid but if not oh well.

I've wanted to put a lien on a debtor's property or equipment before but I've never had the time and willpower to do so.Good on you for being aggressive with the scumbag. Good luck

it cost like $300 for a lien filing. other than that, i haven't thought too much about it. i'm probably not even going to sue him, just going to wait out the lien since they're feeling pressure from having a liened property. they won't be able to sell it without paying me.

i'm moving on because there is a lot of potential work opportunities out there, giving any more attention to this matter would probably jeopardize those opportunities.

[GimmeThat]

the parents of all loopholes comes from he say she say, and eventually we'll reach to the point where we're like toddlers, we only do what we are told to do

[fsvr54]

I will never understand how scum who enjoy ripping people off sleep at night.

I hope you somehow sue his ass for big money and then he dies slowly in a car fire.

[GimmeThat]

I will never understand how scum who enjoy ripping people off sleep at night.



they're schizophrenics. they've reached to the conclusion that they are also unhappy, that you will be fine, they've got bigger problems and they're only putting up a front.

our actions are viewed as pledges. it's just no one ever told us that being a total professional means money doesn't matter because people have long churned out a minimum spending for survival because too many scenarios existed where people can't take the literal words for good

how do they sleep at night?

the same way we slept when we weren't woke, ideas that were trans based and sounded good but were never going to come to fruition

[highwhey]

update: got a call from another one of the subcontractors that got screwed out of their money on the same project, he's being sued by the client, called me to give me a heads up :roll:

this mf'er is like 60 years old and he's playing these chickenshit games all to avoid paying. only in america can you get sued by the client for non-payment.

[iamgine]

To me, I don't get how people get away with this kind of things. My uncle is a general contractor. If a client is being unreasonably difficult with payment, he'd simply show them photos of random dead children and photos of their kid's school building. The scary thing is, he actually have the goons to carry out such a job although he said he'd never go through with it. He said the most he'd done was break a client's leg and even that was only one time when he was still small time.