Lebron right now is why MJ retired in 98

[StrongLurk]

1. MJ wasn't going to play on a team in rebuild mode, which is basically what the Lakers are talent-wise without AD.

2. MJ wasn't going to play if he didn't feel like he could lead/carry a team all year.

3. MJ didn't want lose his title as best player in the league.

Basically MJ didn't want to be 37 years old (2000), playing for a low talent team that would rely on him all year to get to the playoffs. MJ didn't want to be seen like Bron kind of is (as a guy past his prime who is still really good, but not the best nor someone who can carry a team all year due to old legs/lack of stamina. He was quoted as "Jordan explained his decision to retire by saying he had lost the drive and desire that was necessary to continue playing at such a high level, and that he wanted to spend more time with his family."

Of course things changed eventually when he came back to play for the Wizards, but we all know he got embarrassed a lot even though he was pretty decent for his age. Personally I think MJ should've never done the Wizards stint.

I wonder how people would view Bron if he retired right after winning the 2020 ring?

[90sgoat]

I feel like back in the 90s there was just a general idea that you should quit at the top in sports.

A lot of great players in different sports quit earlier than they needed. People say its because of worse medical, but I also feel its because of a different mentality.

Some of it might be because people still remember boxers from when boxing was big. Nothing worse than seeing Mike Tyson humiliate himself as an example. Mike was HUGE in the 90s and basically destroyed his rep.

[Spurs m8]

If it helps you sleep better at night, OP...you keep telling yourself this.

Sweet dreams

[3ba11]

1. MJ wasn't going to play on a team in rebuild mode, which is basically what the Lakers are talent-wise without AD.

2. MJ wasn't going to play if he didn't feel like he could lead/carry a team all year.

3. MJ didn't want lose his title as best player in the league.

Basically MJ didn't want to be 37 years old (2000), playing for a low talent team that would rely on him all year to get to the playoffs. MJ didn't want to be seen like Bron kind of is (as a guy past his prime who is still really good, but not the best nor someone who can carry a team all year due to old legs/lack of stamina. He was quoted as "Jordan explained his decision to retire by saying he had lost the drive and desire that was necessary to continue playing at such a high level, and that he wanted to spend more time with his family."

Of course things changed eventually when he came back to play for the Wizards, but we all know he got embarrassed a lot even though he was pretty decent for his age. Personally I think MJ should've never done the Wizards stint.

I wonder how people would view Bron if he retired right after winning the 2020 ring?


The problem with your ideas is that these Lakers aren't a low-talent team - MJ would win the title with this Laker super-team because there's about 6 pippen's on that team and they were the preseason favorite (depending on the source).. Lebron has a history of losing with good teams and Jordan doesn't..

No one in history lost with more good teams than Lebron (preseason favorites, top seeds, star teammates), whereas MJis the only guy in history that never lost with preseason favorite, or 1 or 2 seeds, and he only lost with an all-star teammate the migraine year.

Unlike Lebron, Jordan routinely got 30-40 by running off screens (he could play the "shooter" role), so he would fit with spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Westbrook, Pippen, Ingram, Hughes, Rose or Wade, while Lebron's big man ball-dominance didn't and underachieved with all these guys.

Lebron never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles or play a good brand of ball.... Since his big man ball-dominance can't develop teammates or brand, he can't win organically..

People forget that the 04' Pistons and 11' Mavs didn't win by having superior talent - they won with superior brand and chemistry.. Similarly, the Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls developed the best brand of ball in the league..

So it's clear that learning the best brand and chemistry in the league is required of all organic winners, so Lebron never learned superior brand (how to win) and only learned talent-based winning (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).

[Full Court]

The problem with your ideas is that these Lakers aren't a low-talent team - MJ would win the title with this Laker super-team because there's about 6 pippen's on that team and they were the preseason favorite (depending on the source).

Unlike Lebron, Jordan routinely got 30-40 by running off screens (he could play the "shooter" role), so he would fit with spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Westbrook, Pippen, Ingram, Hughes, Rose or Wade, while Lebron's big man ball-dominance didn't and underachieved with all these guys.

Lebron never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles or play a good brand of ball.... Since his big man ball-dominance can't develop teammates or brand, he can't win organically..

People forget that the 04' Pistons and 11' Mavs didn't win by having superior talent - they won with superior brand and chemistry.. Similarly, the Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls developed the best brand of ball in the league..

So it's clear that learning the best brand and chemistry in the league is required of all organic winners, so Lebron never learned superior brand (how to win) and only learned talent-based winning (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).

Exactly. Going into the season, Bronie thought he had himself a super team.

[Spurs m8]

Exactly. Going into the season, Bronie thought he had himself a super team.

Yep...keep that same energy!!!

[warriorfan]

Jordan played to win. Not for stats.

[kentatm]

LeBron’s biggest issue is LeGM. Trading away all their depth for WashedBrick was a shotgun blast to the face of a mistake.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bron isn't Mike.

Stop comparing the two.

We can only speculate what would happen if MJ stayed. But the Lakers now aren't in rebuild mode... They were like, what, #2 as the preseason favorite? They're simply underperforming.

[Westbrook_Fan]

Bron isn't Mike.

Stop comparing the two.

We can only speculate what would happen if MJ stayed. But the Lakers now aren't in rebuild mode... They were like, what, #2 as the preseason favorite? They're simply underperforming.

Mike isn’t Bron

37 year old MJ was far worse than current LeBron. Stop it

[Airupthere]

Lol now trying to bring down mike with what ifs. Lol

[SATAN]

LeBron’s biggest issue is LeGM. Trading away all their depth for WashedBrick was a shotgun blast to the face of a mistake.


[Chris Haynes] confirmed in a Twitter Space yesterday that LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers front office wanted to sign DeMar DeRozan, but the FO passed on him because they were hesitant to sign him to a 3-year deal, something that is required in any sign-and-trade deal.

He also wanted Caruso to stay.

It's hard to even name anything good the front office has done since the last chip. Nothing makes sense. They became more worried about saving money than chips all of a sudden. Very poorly run organization, which is a shame for one with so many passionate fans.

[TheGoatest]

Jordan played to win. Not for stats.

https://images4.imagebam.com/98/61/fa/ME8QZ7O_o.png

:oldlol:

Looking forward to all the alt excuse posts about how "different" this was. :roll:

[3ba11]

https://images4.imagebam.com/98/61/fa/ME8QZ7O_o.png

:oldlol:

Looking forward to all the alt excuse posts about how "different" this was. :roll:


The first time in Jordan's career where he played point guard was at 26 years old, and he was immediately a 30/10/10 point guard a full 30 years before the 30/10/10 era

That's the kind of basketball talent he was.

But he shunned this initiator style that by Luka, Harden or Lebron, and opted for a closer style which controlled games better by being the bailout option instead of making teammates the bailout option..

Ball-dominators like Lebron, Luka or Harden seemingly have well-rounded stats but are infact limited to playing 1 way (ball-dominance) - these ball-dominant skillsets tie a coach's hands and forces them to employ a simpleton, low-team-assist brand where 1 guy hogs the team's assists.. The coach is forced to replace normal ball movement and system offense with the talent of Lebron or Luka making all the plays - it's a paper tiger that requires ridiculous supporting talent to win.

[AlternativeAcc.]

This season is a legacy boost for lebron

Anybody that says otherwise is a retard

[Full Court]

This season is a legacy boost for lebron

Anybody that says otherwise is a retard

Lol. Bronie looks like a stat padding fool this season. He's getting clowned by the opposition and booed off the court by his home fans. This season is not helping his legacy. At all. History will not be kind to Bronie.

[nayte]

Bron isn't Mike.

Stop comparing the two.

We can only speculate what would happen if MJ stayed. But the Lakers now aren't in rebuild mode... They were like, what, #2 as the preseason favorite? They're simply underperforming.

This . The rest is just rubbish

[Wally450]

Of course 3ball tries to spin this into this Lakers team being a super team lol. He throws around that term way too loosely.

[StrongLurk]

Bron isn't Mike.

Stop comparing the two.

We can only speculate what would happen if MJ stayed. But the Lakers now aren't in rebuild mode... They were like, what, #2 as the preseason favorite? They're simply underperforming.

The Lakers without AD are basically a rebuild-mode level talent. It's full of a bunch of scrubs and older/washed players. They are literally relying on Lebron to lead both the offense and defense at age 37 lol.

[3ba11]

The Lakers without AD are basically a rebuild-mode level talent. It's full of a bunch of scrubs and older/washed players. They are literally relying on Lebron to lead both the offense and defense at age 37 lol.


Lebron can't win in the West without AD being the leading scorer

His poor brand of ball (big man ball-dominance) couldn't even get out of the East with homecourt in 09/10 (hence the super-team formation)

[Baller789]

This season is a legacy boost for lebron

Anybody that says otherwise is a retard

Sooo...

Was Jordan's Wizards years a boost to his legacy too?

[beasted]

Mike isn’t Bron

37 year old MJ was far worse than current LeBron. Stop it

When did Jordan play at 37 years old?

[Baller789]

When did Jordan play at 37 years old?

He named himself after Westbrook, so don't bother asking his logic :lol

[baudkarma]

MJ retired in '98 for two reasons. Jerry Krause, the GM of the Bulls at the time, announced before the season that Phil Jackson would not be offered a new contract. The Bulls won the title of course, but Krause kept his word and let Jackson walk. It was well known that Krause was infatuated with Tim Floyd, then the coach at Iowa State. Floyd had no NBA experience, was a middling successful college coach, but he was going to be the new head coach of the Bulls. No way MJ, the GOAT, was going to play for that guy.

Secondly, everyone knew that there would be labor problem prior to the '99 season. Owners would lock players out, and there would be contentious negotiations. Most of the season would be lost, and maybe the entire season. If MJ was active the players union would ask he to be part of the negotiations. That would upset his white, middle-class fanbase who buy Gatorade and Ball-Park Franks and Hanes underwear and whatever else he's pushing at the time. Oh yeah, Nikes!

So he retired. Media sniffs around for a soundbite, and he just says "I'm retired now, not really paying attention to the labor negotiations much anymore."

[Axe]

MJ retired in '98 for two reasons. Jerry Krause, the GM of the Bulls at the time, announced before the season that Phil Jackson would not be offered a new contract. The Bulls won the title of course, but Krause kept his word and let Jackson walk. It was well known that Krause was infatuated with Tim Floyd, then the coach at Iowa State. Floyd had no NBA experience, was a middling successful college coach, but he was going to be the new head coach of the Bulls. No way MJ, the GOAT, was going to play for that guy.

Secondly, everyone knew that there would be labor problem prior to the '99 season. Owners would lock players out, and there would be contentious negotiations. Most of the season would be lost, and maybe the entire season. If MJ was active the players union would ask he to be part of the negotiations. That would upset his white, middle-class fanbase who buy Gatorade and Ball-Park Franks and Hanes underwear and whatever else he's pushing at the time. Oh yeah, Nikes!

So he retired. Media sniffs around for a soundbite, and he just says "I'm retired now, not really paying attention to the labor negotiations much anymore."
:applause::cheers:

[3ba11]

MJ retired in '98 for two reasons. Jerry Krause, the GM of the Bulls at the time, announced before the season that Phil Jackson would not be offered a new contract. The Bulls won the title of course, but Krause kept his word and let Jackson walk. It was well known that Krause was infatuated with Tim Floyd, then the coach at Iowa State. Floyd had no NBA experience, was a middling successful college coach, but he was going to be the new head coach of the Bulls. No way MJ, the GOAT, was going to play for that guy.

Secondly, everyone knew that there would be labor problem prior to the '99 season. Owners would lock players out, and there would be contentious negotiations. Most of the season would be lost, and maybe the entire season. If MJ was active the players union would ask he to be part of the negotiations. That would upset his white, middle-class fanbase who buy Gatorade and Ball-Park Franks and Hanes underwear and whatever else he's pushing at the time. Oh yeah, Nikes!

So he retired. Media sniffs around for a soundbite, and he just says "I'm retired now, not really paying attention to the labor negotiations much anymore."


Why should MJ start over at 36?

The 99' Bulls weren't a super-team like these Lakers - MJ didn't have a modern Oscar as a teammate (Westbrook) or Kareem (AD).. I'm sure he would've stuck around for a couple more 3-peat if he did.

See that's the difference between MJ and Lebron - Lebron achieved Year 1 league favorites by colluding and team-hopping, while Jordan actually learned how to win (brand of ball/chemistry), as required of all organic winners

[Johnny32]

This season is a legacy boost for lebron

Anybody that says otherwise is a retard

Lol exactly. They're scared because jordone wasn't even this good at 35 let alone 37. They're only choice is to try and twist a 37 year old averaging 30-7-6 on better efficiency than prime mj as a negative.

[Johnny32]

Sooo...

Was Jordan's Wizards years a boost to his legacy too?

Lebron isn't averaging 22 ppg on 41% chucking like wizards jordone, tardboy.

[beasted]

Remember this?

https://images.complex.com/complex/images/c_fill,dpr_2.0,f_auto,q_auto,w_315/fl_lossy,pg_1/a1yiihd9smtdfe7jhywh/lebron-lakers-tweet?fimg-client

https://www.complex.com/sports/lebron-james-addresses-skeptics-of-lakers-roster-offseason-changes


The Lakers are underachieving.

[TheMan]

The problem with your ideas is that these Lakers aren't a low-talent team - MJ would win the title with this Laker super-team because there's about 6 pippen's on that team and they were the preseason favorite (depending on the source).. Lebron has a history of losing with good teams and Jordan doesn't..

No one in history lost with more good teams than Lebron (preseason favorites, top seeds, star teammates), whereas MJis the only guy in history that never lost with preseason favorite, or 1 or 2 seeds, and he only lost with an all-star teammate the migraine year.

Unlike Lebron, Jordan routinely got 30-40 by running off screens (he could play the "shooter" role), so he would fit with spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Westbrook, Pippen, Ingram, Hughes, Rose or Wade, while Lebron's big man ball-dominance didn't and underachieved with all these guys.

Lebron never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles or play a good brand of ball.... Since his big man ball-dominance can't develop teammates or brand, he can't win organically..

People forget that the 04' Pistons and 11' Mavs didn't win by having superior talent - they won with superior brand and chemistry.. Similarly, the Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls developed the best brand of ball in the league..

So it's clear that learning the best brand and chemistry in the league is required of all organic winners, so Lebron never learned superior brand (how to win) and only learned talent-based winning (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).

Very good post when not trolling Bran stans :applause:

[Hey Yo]

The problem with your ideas is that these Lakers aren't a low-talent team - MJ would win the title with this Laker super-team because there's about 6 pippen's on that team and they were the preseason favorite (depending on the source).. Lebron has a history of losing with good teams and Jordan doesn't..

No one in history lost with more good teams than Lebron (preseason favorites, top seeds, star teammates), whereas MJis the only guy in history that never lost with preseason favorite, or 1 or 2 seeds, and he only lost with an all-star teammate the migraine year.

Unlike Lebron, Jordan routinely got 30-40 by running off screens (he could play the "shooter" role), so he would fit with spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Westbrook, Pippen, Ingram, Hughes, Rose or Wade, while Lebron's big man ball-dominance didn't and underachieved with all these guys.

Lebron never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles or play a good brand of ball.... Since his big man ball-dominance can't develop teammates or brand, he can't win organically..

People forget that the 04' Pistons and 11' Mavs didn't win by having superior talent - they won with superior brand and chemistry.. Similarly, the Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls developed the best brand of ball in the league..

So it's clear that learning the best brand and chemistry in the league is required of all organic winners, so Lebron never learned superior brand (how to win) and only learned talent-based winning (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).

MJ wouldn't win shit in his 19th consecutive season. He couldn't play more than 7 full consecutive seasons without needing to quit the league and rest up.

[TheMan]

MJ wouldn't win shit in his 19th consecutive season. He couldn't play more than 7 full consecutive seasons without needing to quit the league and rest up.
It must be exhausting both mentally and physically to threepeat, twice...of course your boi wouldn't have a clue nor will he ever :lol

[Baller789]

Lebron isn't averaging 22 ppg on 41% chucking like wizards jordone, tardboy.

So is it fair to directly compare numbers from different eras?

Also what were Jordan's numbers and the Wizards record pre-injury?

[kawhileonard2]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html

Brooklyn Nets +230 56.5 36-34 (under)
Los Angeles Lakers +425 52.5 29-40 (under)
Milwaukee Bucks +850 54.5 44-26 (under)
Golden State Warriors +1100 48.5 47-23 (under)
Utah Jazz +1400 52.5 43-26 (under

[GimmeThat]

pretty sure "you can't be that stupid" and "you are that stupid" are the complete opposite.

[2much_knowledge]

https://images4.imagebam.com/98/61/fa/ME8QZ7O_o.png

:oldlol:

Looking forward to all the alt excuse posts about how "different" this was. :roll:

3ball just OWNED YOU

[2much_knowledge]

Lol exactly. They're scared because jordone wasn't even this good at 35 let alone 37. They're only choice is to try and twist a 37 year old averaging 30-7-6 on better efficiency than prime mj as a negative.

Not as good at 35 lol.... leading his team to WINS with Pippen missing around 40 games. Sweeping awards left and right. But i guess a couple of extra assist and rebounds while being blown out every week is better..

[2much_knowledge]

1. MJ wasn't going to play on a team in rebuild mode, which is basically what the Lakers are talent-wise without AD.

2. MJ wasn't going to play if he didn't feel like he could lead/carry a team all year.

3. MJ didn't want lose his title as best player in the league.

Basically MJ didn't want to be 37 years old (2000), playing for a low talent team that would rely on him all year to get to the playoffs. MJ didn't want to be seen like Bron kind of is (as a guy past his prime who is still really good, but not the best nor someone who can carry a team all year due to old legs/lack of stamina. He was quoted as "Jordan explained his decision to retire by saying he had lost the drive and desire that was necessary to continue playing at such a high level, and that he wanted to spend more time with his family."

Of course things changed eventually when he came back to play for the Wizards, but we all know he got embarrassed a lot even though he was pretty decent for his age. Personally I think MJ should've never done the Wizards stint.

I wonder how people would view Bron if he retired right after winning the 2020 ring?


I fail to realize how averaging numbers just below peak Tracy Mcgrady can be viewed as an embarrastment... ???? And leading his team to the 2nd seed behind the Nets

[GimmeThat]

Not as good at 35 lol.... leading his team to WINS with Pippen missing around 40 games. Sweeping awards left and right. But i guess a couple of extra assist and rebounds while being blown out every week is better..

which one is better, requiring more or less criterias to validate and justify one single person

[Round Mound]

Well MJ himsel said he would not come back if Pippen isn't playing...

[TheCorporation]

Jordan played to win. Not for stats.

He quit. Fakkit. The WORST loss.

[Keno]

jordan was a bum in those days, low 20's ppg. it's not that he didn't want to play it's that he just wasn't good nor had an impact. not even comparable.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Sooo...

Was Jordan's Wizards years a boost to his legacy too?

Did baldan lead the league in scoring on great efficiency while being the leagues best passer?

No? Ok then. Shut up bitch


What lebron is doing with the mileage he has and at his age is nothing short of miraculous. Baldan didn't have nearly the same mileage yet wasn't half the player lebron is.


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[8Ball]

Did baldan lead the league in scoring on great efficiency while being the leagues best passer?

No? Ok then. Shut up bitch


What lebron is doing with the mileage he has and at his age is nothing short of miraculous. Baldan didn't have nearly the same mileage yet wasn't half the player lebron is.


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Seriously.

What LeBron has done in his career is mountains more impressive than Jordan.

30 ppg on great efficiency at near age 38 and year 19? Who the **** can do this?

Bron going to make allnba 1st or 2nd this year 19.

The GOAT

[TheMan]

Seriously.

What LeBron has done in his career is mountains more impressive than Jordan.

30 ppg on great efficiency at near age 38 and year 19? Who the **** can do this?

Bron going to make allnba 1st or 2nd this year 19.

The GOAT

Why are you responding to yourself?