Top scorers at every age.

[Kblaze8855]

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[Kblaze8855]

Surprised Alex snuck in there. And I’d have included 43-44 if only to bring up Parish and Willis. And of course both Mutombo and Manute Bol may have been 50 but we don’t talk about it. The person responsible for Manutes age listing said himself nobody knew so he made it up to put him in college. Just chose an age that would make him about 23 at draft time but admits he may have been 40 as a rookie. He just wanted to give him a chance he says. I doubt the difference is that drastic but like I said…the guy saying he was 40 as a rookie is the one who went and got him and assigned his age personally so who am I to say?

[John8204]

I don't know what the criteria is but Alex English was top five from 31-36 which is why it was offensive he missed out on the top 75.

[jlip]

The pic they used for Kareem at age 38 is so out of place and random.

[AlternativeAcc.]

The pic they used for Kareem at age 38 is so out of place and random.

That's Dave Chappelle.

[1987_Lakers]

The pic they used for Kareem at age 38 is so out of place and random.

To add to this, his age was 40+ in the pic they used for age 38. He shaved his head for the first time in the middle of the '87 season. 38 year old Kareem still had short hair with bald spots.

[Airupthere]

That's Dave Chappelle.

:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe at 18? What?

[ArbitraryWater]

That's Dave Chappelle.

:roll::roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

MJ stans get in here

[Gudo]

Chamberlain dominates the peak years until harden :oldlol:

[tontoz]

It is odd that MJ made it only once.

Barry averaging 36 in the 60s wow. He got to the foul line 11 times per game.

:lol a Chapelle

[fsvr54]

Wilt the Stilt god damn!

[3ba11]

It is odd that MJ made it only once.





Because it's mis-titled

MJ was the best scorer from 23-40

He scored 40 at 40 and averaged 20 ppg, and he averaged 44 in the playoffs at 23

[3ba11]

Wilt the Stilt god damn!


Wilt averaged 22 ppg in the playoffs... MJ averaged 33.5 and he's the only guy over 30

MJ averaged more ppg than Wilt in regular season and playoffs.. And far more scoring titles

Ultimately, MJ is the greatest scorer BY FAR because he's the only guy that always defeated maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load).

Everyone in history had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for various playoff runs, so they didn't always face maximum defensive attention.. Any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who carried the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.

[tontoz]

Because it's mis-titled

MJ was the best scorer from 23-40

He scored 40 at 40 and averaged 20 ppg, and he averaged 44 in the playoffs at 23






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[SouBeachTalents]

Damn, Jordan only there once. That’s crazy.

[3ba11]

Damn, Jordan only there once. That’s crazy.



* Wilt averaged 22 ppg in the playoffs and never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load on title run)

* MJ averaged 33.5 (the only guy over 30) and he's the only guy in history that always defeated maximum defensive attention (always carried scoring load)


So Wilt never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load), while MJ always did

Carry on tho

[1987_Lakers]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/funny-pictures-shut-up-00l.jpg

:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

I still don't get Kobe at 18

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs


WILT - never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load)

MJ - always defeated maximum defensive attention


MJ advantage in playoffs = 12 ppg

MJ advantage gap in RS = 0.1 ppg

True shooting advantage - MJ

[Gotterdammerung]

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:oldlol:

By the way, Wilt averaged 39.6 points (plus 24.8 rebounds and 3.4 assists) per game in his first seven seasons.

:kobe:

But do carry on!

[SouBeachTalents]

Wilt leads in legit every prime year :lol Total dominance

[3ba11]

Wilt leads in legit every prime year :lol Total dominance


Wilt was shit in the playoffs

Literally a horrible playoff scorer - paper tiger in the PO

Couldn't defeat maximum defensive attention (couldn't carry scoring load)

[Phoenix]

3ball gonna spend the night on damage control.

[tontoz]

I still don't get Kobe at 18



There haven't been many 18 year olds in the NBA that actually played. For years guys rarely came into the league straight from HS, then when it became common they put in the age rule.

Even some guys who did come straight from HS were frequently 19 by the time the season started or during the season, like KG and Lebron.

Unless i am missing something Kobe was drafted at 17 and turned 18 that august.

Basically it is pointless to have age 18 on the list.

[3ba11]

3ball gonna spend the night on damage control.



* PPG

* defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load)

* Scoring champ + championships = goat brand of ball and goat brand of scoring (fundamentals)


Accordingly, MJ was a better scorer than Wilt and the best scorer in history...

And it's more than people realize due to defeating max defensive attention and goat brand of ball (scoring title + championship)

[SouBeachTalents]

* PPG

* defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load)

* Scoring champ + championships = goat brand of ball and goat brand of scoring (fundamentals)


Accordingly, MJ was a better scorer than Wilt and the best scorer in history...

And it's more than people realize due to defeating max defensive attention and goat brand of ball (scoring title + championship)
But Wilt’s there 6 times….Jordan’s there once

[3ba11]

But Wilt’s there 6 times….Jordan’s there once


It's called fraud son

[AlternativeAcc.]

It's called fraud son

But you'll hide behind team achievements when it fits your diabolical narrative...

Frauden doesn't hold up under individual comparisons, gotta hide behind them bulls(hit) rings.. :lol

[John8204]

Whats the difference in the series record between Wilt and MJ? (17-10) vs (30-7)...that doesn't seem like "shit" to me when you are playing against a dynasty (Wilt) versus being the dynasty (Jordan)

[Phoenix]

* PPG

* defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load)

* Scoring champ + championships = goat brand of ball and goat brand of scoring (fundamentals)


Accordingly, MJ was a better scorer than Wilt and the best scorer in history...

And it's more than people realize due to defeating max defensive attention and goat brand of ball (scoring title + championship)

So like I said, you'll be spending the night on damage control. :confusedshrug:

[gonzaldo]

but thats really not true

Jordan finished 2002-03 season as a 40 y old with 20.0 ppg
KAJ in 1986-87 as a 40 y old had 17.5 ppg

so whoever made it, got at least this one wrong.

[Kblaze8855]

Wilt the Stilt god damn!

The lowest he scored in the playoffs in those pictures years is 29 when he was asked to play more all around. In the first several of them? His lowest was 33 as a rookie.

Virtually all scoring records can only exist for others because wilt chose not to set them out of reach.

[Full Court]

That's Dave Chappelle.

:biggums:

[Full Court]

1987_Lakers is strangely silent about how many times Wilt is in that graphic. Interesting, considering how obsessed he is with the man.

[coastalmarker99]

After reading that he was passing out to teammates due to being too old to score

Wilt Chamberlain at age 31 over the next three games averaged:

56.0 PPG (29.0 FGA)

32.7 RPG

4.0 APG

FG%: 79%

Prior to that, he was averaging:

19.1 PPG (14.4 FGA)

24.0 RPG

7.0 APG

FG%: 53%


I don't think there is any question that Chamberlain could have put all the scoring records out of reach for everybody had he seriously wanted to.



As despite changing his role to become a point-centre Wilt still had the highest-scoring games in the 66-67 (58 point game), 67-68 (52, 53, 53, and 68), and 68-69 seasons (60 and 66.)



And when he did decide to go back to being the focal point of the offence again.


Wilt at age 33 was averaging 32.2 ppg on (.57.9 shooting) over the course of his first nine games (with games of 33, 35, 37, 38, 42 and 43 points before he got hurt.

[coastalmarker99]

Wilt was shit in the playoffs

Literally a horrible playoff scorer - paper tiger in the PO

Couldn't defeat maximum defensive attention (couldn't carry scoring load)

Warrior Wilt averaged about 41.5/25.1/3 in the seasons and about 34.6/25.6/2.8 in the playoffs.

This seems like a pretty dramatic drop off, until you realize that he averaged 37.9ppg against non-Celtics in the playoffs.

Russell played Wilt fantastically, but it was Auerbach’s defensive scheme’s that really lowered his volume closer to Russell’s level.

Dropoff for the 76’s was 27.6/23.9/6.8>>24.9/27.5/6.4

Dropoff for the Lakers was 17.7/19.2/4.3>>15.8/22.3/3.6

The dropoff isn’t anything too dramatic, and he actually stepped up his play to dominate elimination games as much as anyone.


As when facing elimination Wilt averaged: 36.8/26.6/2 on the Warriors, 30/31.5/3 on the 76ers, and 26.4/22.6/5 as the aging low-volume defensive anchor on the Lakers.

[coastalmarker99]

Wilt was shit in the playoffs

Literally a horrible playoff scorer - paper tiger in the PO

Couldn't defeat maximum defensive attention (couldn't carry scoring load)



In the 36 Playoff games, Wilt played with the Warriors when he was mainly used as a scoring machine he had 4 50-point games and 6 40-point games.


In this small sample size with the Warriors.


Wilt was more likely to score 40 points in any given playoff game than Michael Jordan in the same offensive role and more than twice as likely to score 50 points.


Calling him a paper tiger is just completely ignorant but's that's expected when talking to you.

[coastalmarker99]

Wilt's playoff career proves how bad people like 3ball are at understanding (and taking into account) weighted averages:

-Prime (60's) Wilt plays in the regular season, including 10-12% of his games vs the GOAT defender. Produces an X amount of stats.

-Wilt, in the same period, plays in the playoffs, including like 50% of his games vs the GOAT defender. Produces a less than this X amount of stats.

How dense are people who can't realize or consider that this 50% vs 12% makes all the difference in the world to his stats?


MJ's scoring and FG% efficiency dropped overall in his four straight playoff series against the "Bad Boys" from '88 thru '91.


In fact, if you exclude their '91 series H2H, when the Pistons were obviously at the end of the road...here were his numbers in the regular season, and then playoff series against Detroit:

'88 regular season: 35.0 ppg on a .53.5 FG%.

'88 series against Detroit: 27.4 ppg on a .49.1 FG%

'89 regular season: 32.5 ppg on a .53.8 FG%.

'89 series against Detroit: 29.7 ppg on a .46.0 FG%.

'90 regular season: 33.6 ppg on a .52.6 FG%

'90 series against Detroit: 32.1 ppg on a .46.7 FG%.


Jordan's numbers dropped across the board due to facing an elite defensive team.



The reality was Chamberlain faced the Celtic Dynasty (and arguably the greatest defensive player of all time) in eight playoff series from '60 thru '69.

Furthermore, in seven of them, he either battled them in the first, or second round so he couldn't pad his scoring stats against weaker teams.


In his 98 playoff games from '60 thru '69 (before he shredded his knee), he went up against Boston in 49 of them...or exactly half of his playoff games Oh, and he also faced Thurmond in 12 more in that same span.


So, a prime Wilt played in 61 of his 98 post-season games against two of the greatest defensive centers of all-time.


Another fun fact is that Chamberlain only played two years in the Western Conference from '60 thru '68.


And in one of those seasons, his roster was so putrid, they didn't even make the playoffs.

So, in his first nine seasons, he faced a Western Conference opponent in one series.

How did he do in that series?

In a seven-game series, Wilt put up a 38.6 ppg, 23.0 rpg, .55.9 series, which included games of 46 and 50 points.

Had Wilt played his entire playoff career in the western conference he would have gone up against teams such as the Lakers who he utterly owned.


This means he would own at least some, (if not a vast majority) playoff scoring records (and perhaps FG% records, as well, since Russell shot .70.2 against LA in 1965.)


Now, 3ball do you seriously think MJ's post-season averages would still be high as they are.


Had he been unlucky enough to face the 'Bad Boys or Gary Payton in basically 60% of his playoff games during his prime?


As Let's not forget, with a few exceptions, most of Jordan's most prolific games and series came in first rounds, not NBA or Conference Finals.

They came against the Craig Ehlos, not the Dumarses and the Paytons.

[iamgine]

I wonder how this list look like if adjusted for minutes and pace. Like per 100 possessions.