Will Kevin Love make the Hall of Fame?

[RogueBorg]

2x All-NBA
5x All-Star
1x NBA Champion
1x Rebounding Champ
All-Rookie

[tontoz]

I doubt it. Two All-NBA teams is pretty weak relative to other HOF players but i am not all that clear on their criteria.

[FultzNationRISE]

Absolutely not.

[1987_Lakers]

If he does get in it will be the same way Maurice Cheeks and Bobby Jones got in. Like 30+ years after he retires.

[HylianNightmare]

Easily

[tontoz]

It took Webber 8 years to get in and he was top 10 in the MVP voting 5 times. Love was only top 10 once.

[ArbitraryWater]

he has nothing to his name really..

is 2x all-nba and 5x all star + reb leader 2x enough?

[Kblaze8855]

He has less all star games and all nba teams than Kemp, Amare, and Aldridge who all seem borderline so….tough to say. He’s in that maybe mix after 30 years I guess. But I don’t even think Maurice Lucas is in. Lot of guys like that I feel they will slide in over the years before they get to Love.

[tontoz]

he has nothing to his name really..

is 2x all-nba and 5x all star + reb leader 2x enough?


It isn't nothing but here's the problem. He most productive years statistically were on crap teams and when he played on a contender he was a 3rd option role player.

There are a lot of good players not in the hall who were the first option on good teams.

[ArbitraryWater]

he has nothing to his name really..

is 2x all-nba and 5x all star + reb leader 2x enough?

*1x reb

[theman93]

It isn't nothing but here's the problem. He most productive years statistically were on crap teams and when he played on a contender he was a 3rd option role player.

There are a lot of good players not in the hall who were the first option on good teams.

Like Vlade Divac?

[post]

if he doesn't get in he'll be the only guy in nba history who averaged at least 26 ppg and 12 rpg 2 different years who didn't get in

plus at least top 63 all time in career per/ws48/bpm

[PeroAntic]

If 2016 was the greatest championship in history, then hes a lock.

[ArbitraryWater]

If 2016 was the greatest championship in history, then hes a lock.

i mean he didnt even play 2 of those games lol

[Mask the Embiid]

Yes, I think Lebron did enough to get em in.Congrats to K love :applause:

[PeroAntic]

i mean he didnt even play 2 of those games lol

Two games of the 2016 season? Because if youre referring to the finals, you Bronsexuals keep yapping that its not important if you lose them, just that you get there.

btw as far as I can remember, Love locked up Curry on a crucial possession, almost as iconic as Lebron's block on Igoudala. so stfu and give the man his due.

[D-Wait]

Right now, not sure. Let's see how many more years he'll be a key player off the bench for a playoff team/contender.

His shot looks as good as ever. If he keeps that up another 4-5 years and makes key shots in the playoffs, it certainly would help his odds for the HOF.

[GimmeThat]

he's got the talent. how badly did people f*ck things up, be honest, folks.

[TheGoatest]

Yes. Along with Chris Bosh and Kyrie Irving, he will be one of the 3 players that LeBron has single-handedly carried into the Hall of Fame.

[post]

his last year in minnesota he had the 61st highest bpm in nba history

every player other than him in the top 89 are either in the hall or definitely will be

[L.Kizzle]

I doubt it. Two All-NBA teams is pretty weak relative to other HOF players but i am not all that clear on their criteria.
Kevin McHale has only one and he's in.

[L.Kizzle]

He has less all star games and all nba teams than Kemp, Amare, and Aldridge who all seem borderline so….tough to say. He’s in that maybe mix after 30 years I guess. But I don’t even think Maurice Lucas is in. Lot of guys like that I feel they will slide in over the years before they get to Love.
With Jack Sikma making it, anything is possible. Is Jack Sikma even a top 40 center of All Time?

Jack Sikma wasnt even ever looked at as a Hall of Fame snub like Webber, Dantley, King and Gilmore before they finally made it.

He was like a really good player but not even a borderline HoFer.

[TheGoatest]

I doubt it. Two All-NBA teams is pretty weak relative to other HOF players but i am not all that clear on their criteria.

Chris Bosh has only one All-NBA team and still made it.
Riding on papa LeBron's coat tails goes a long way.

[tontoz]

Kevin McHale has only one and he's in.

They didn't have 3rd team All-NBA until '89. He made the All-defense team 6 times and was the 2nd scoring option on a dynasty. 2 6MOY doesn't hurt.

Lets not forget that McHale played in the same era as Malone and Barkley, two ATG 4s. Those two were locks for All-NBA year after year.

[Jasper]

Absolutely not.

10 4

[RRR3]

Yes he probably will, I always am shocked you guys don’t realize how (relatively) easy it is to make the NBA HOF. It will take him a while though.

[L.Kizzle]

Yes he probably will, I always am shocked you guys don’t realize how (relatively) easy it is to make the NBA HOF. It will take him a while though.
How is it easy? It may be about 130 players in the Hall.

[post]

his last year in minnesota he had the 61st highest bpm in nba history

every player other than him in the top 89 are either in the hall or definitely will be

or top 88 since ginobli was 90 but is currently 89

[ImKobe]

Love is easily a HOFer. He will get to 15k+ points 10k+ rebounds and made enough All-Star games + 2x All-NBA + won a title + won Olympic & FIBA gold.

Mitch Richmond is in the HOF so the bar is really low at this point. Richmond was a good player in his prime but never did anything in the POs and played 4 minutes in the POs as a Laker when he got his ring.

[ImKobe]

Yes. Along with Chris Bosh and Kyrie Irving, he will be one of the 3 players that LeBron has single-handedly carried into the Hall of Fame.

False. He peaked pre-Lebron and was made a spot-up shooter in Cleveland when he could have had many 20/10 seasons in Minnesota or somewhere else. Love would have higher career totals and more ASGs/All-NBA right now if he didn't waste his prime on the Cavs. He got a ring out of it but he could have been a bigger star elsewhere. He's playing 22 mpg off the bench right now and is almost averaging the same numbers as he did his first year in Cleveland.

[post]

here are all the guys in nba history who averaged at least 26 ppg and 12 rpg for a year and how many years they did it

didn't round up or include this year since it's not over and only included years where guys played enough games to qualify for league leaders

all are in the hall or definitely will be except love

kareem abdul-jabbar-8
wilt chamberlain-7
bob pettit-6
elgin baylor-6
bob mcadoo-4
walt bellamy-3
elvin hayes-3
shaquille o'neal-3
spencer haywood-2
moses malone-2
kevin love-2
giannis antetokounmpo-2
george mikan-1
oscar robertson-1
billy cunningham-1
karl malone-1
hakeem olajuwon-1
joel embiid-1

[tontoz]

here are all the guys in nba history who averaged at least 26 ppg and 12 rpg for a year and how many years they did it

didn't round up or include this year since it's not over and only included years where guys played enough games to qualify for league leaders

all are in the hall or definitely will be except love

kareem abdul-jabbar-8
wilt chamberlain-7
bob pettit-6
elgin baylor-6
bob mcadoo-4
walt bellamy-3
elvin hayes-3
shaquille o'neal-3
spencer haywood-2
moses malone-2
kevin love-2
giannis antetokounmpo-2
george mikan-1
oscar robertson-1
billy cunningham-1
karl malone-1
hakeem olajuwon-1
joel embiid-1



One year doesn't get a guy into the HOF. Love averaged over 20 ppg only 3 times in his career, all on losing teams.

[post]

here are all the guys in nba history who averaged at least 26 ppg and 12 rpg for a year and how many years they did it

didn't round up or include this year since it's not over and only included years where guys played enough games to qualify for league leaders

all are in the hall or definitely will be except love

kareem abdul-jabbar-8
wilt chamberlain-7
bob pettit-6
elgin baylor-6
bob mcadoo-4
walt bellamy-3
elvin hayes-3
shaquille o'neal-3
spencer haywood-2
moses malone-2
kevin love-2
giannis antetokounmpo-2
george mikan-1
oscar robertson-1
billy cunningham-1
karl malone-1
hakeem olajuwon-1
joel embiid-1

and out of that list here are the guys who averaged at least 26 ppg and 12 rpg and 4 apg at least one year

kareem
wilt
baylor
mcadoo
love
giannis
robertson
cunningham

[post]

One year doesn't get a guy into the HOF. Love averaged over 20 ppg only 3 times in his career, all on losing teams.

it says 2 for love not 1

love was hurt in 2013 or he very possibly would've put up 3 straight years of 26 and 12 by the age of 25

obviously his numbers voluntarily dropped when he went to cleveland

the teams were losing teams because they weren't good not because love wasn't good

same with karl anthony towns...give him a probable hall of famer in jimmy butler or a decent team like this year and he makes the playoffs

[bizil]

Not anytime soon after he's eligible to go in. Like many other All Stars SEEMINGLY on the path, injuries messed that path up. BUT at one point, Love was a top 2 PF in the league with Blake. And he has a ring. But if Kemp isn't in the HOF after all these years, it's hard for me to see Love going in ANYTIME soon once he's eligible. I could see Kemp AT SOME POINT getting in. With baseball, you fall off the ballot if you don't make it at some point in time. Then it goes to various other committees. The Naismith HOF DOESN'T have that. That's a HUGE REASON why it's watered down.

If you look at Love's peak-prime values, is it top 15-20 ALL TIME among PF's? Maybe And he was a 5 time All Star. Likely AT LEAST All Star caliber an additional season or two. So i'm not gonna say he will NEVER GET in. If it was baseball's standards, I would say NO he won't get in at all.

But Love AT HIS BEST was an HOF type of player though. He could have had more 20 PPG 13 RPG but he got with the Cavs to win a ring. And he has an Olympic Gold Medal during his prime. Durability was the downfall. NOT ability! With some guys, they play long careers injury free. And you DEBATE if their best was true HOF caliber. Love doesn't have that problem.

[John8204]

Shawn Kemp only has 15K points and no ring, Kevin Love has 14K points and 3-5 seasons left to add onto that. Manu is likely going in first ballot with 14K points

[L.Kizzle]

The best 4's pre-Giannis.
Bosh (HoF)
Love
Blake
LMA

I will say this, not a lot of 2nd tier PFs are in the Hall.

[8Ball]

Love is easily a HOFer. He will get to 15k+ points 10k+ rebounds and made enough All-Star games + 2x All-NBA + won a title + won Olympic & FIBA gold.

Mitch Richmond is in the HOF so the bar is really low at this point. Richmond was a good player in his prime but never did anything in the POs and played 4 minutes in the POs as a Laker when he got his ring.

This is not hall of fame worthy.

Kevin Love has had 2 good seasons in his entire career.

[John8204]

This is not hall of fame worthy.

Kevin Love has had 2 good seasons in his entire career.

5 time All-star 2-Time All-NBA second team is 2 good seasons? How does that work out?

[Cold soul]

No Absolutely not.

[ImKobe]

This is not hall of fame worthy.

Kevin Love has had 2 good seasons in his entire career.

Yes it is.

What is "good" ? Richmond averaged low 20 ppg on bad/mediocre teams and won nothing until he warmed the bench on a team that didn't need him in the POs. Love actually played a role in winning a championship (and played at a decent level in the next two Finals runs) and has some international credentials as well. Love had three "good" seasons in Minnesota alone.

[Westbrook_Fan]

If he does, it will be only because of LeBron

[TheGoatest]

If he does, it will be only because of LeBron

Exactly. Just like with Kyrie and Bosh.
If you look past his LeBron-granted ring, his career is clearly inferior to that of Elton Brand, Shawn Kemp, Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire. None of who are hall of famers. Ring aside, this bum is basically Antoine Walker-Antawn Jamison tier.

[Kblaze8855]

If KAT had like 3 less great statistical seasons, never made that one playoff run, gets traded to the Nets for Simmons and wins a ring doing 8ppg in the finals and devolves into a role player it would be pretty similar to Love. It’s clearly not a cut and dry obvious hall of fame career. I think he gets in….around 2040 if he retires in like 3 years. At least if some more of those borderline guys get in. Plenty of 20k guys aren’t getting the love. I’m not sure Joe Johnson or Aldridge go. Tom Chambers isn’t. Antawn Jamison has 20k. Love doesn’t have an obvious hook and he’s not half as respected as Mitch Richmond was just as a player.

Just on basketball…I don’t think Love was as highly regarded as Amare and Amare has more all star years too though it feels like he was such a flash in the pan.

I don’t know. It’s definitely not a no brainer. Guys have snuck in with borderline cases because they won too much but “too much” is usually more than a Horace Grant tier ring. If they won the year Kyrie was gone it means more for him.

I wouldn’t bet my life either way but loose as it is he’s got a shot…it just isn’t a clear thing.

[post]

If KAT had like 3 less great statistical seasons, never made that one playoff run, gets traded to the Nets for Simmons and wins a ring doing 8ppg in the finals and devolves into a role player it would be pretty similar to Love. It’s clearly not a cut and dry obvious hall of fame career. I think he gets in….around 2040 if he retires in like 3 years. At least if some more of those borderline guys get in. Plenty of 20k guys aren’t getting the love. I’m not sure Joe Johnson or Aldridge go. Tom Chambers isn’t. Antawn Jamison has 20k. Love doesn’t have an obvious hook and he’s not half as respected as Mitch Richmond was just as a player.

Just on basketball…I don’t think Love was as highly regarded as Amare and Amare has more all star years too though it feels like he was such a flash in the pan.

I don’t know. It’s definitely not a no brainer. Guys have snuck in with borderline cases because they won too much but “too much” is usually more than a Horace Grant tier ring. If they won the year Kyrie was gone it means more for him.

I wouldn’t bet my life either way but loose as it is he’s got a shot…it just isn’t a clear thing.

another hook beyond the hooks i already posted

3 players in the last 40 years have a 30 point/30 rebound game

moses malone (hall of fame)
dwight howard (obviously will be in the hall of fame)
kevin love

another hook

love had 53 consecutive double doubles breaking moses malone's post merger record

tom chambers, like maurice lucas, had a negative career bpm like hall of famer ralph sampson

any other career negatives you want to consider putting in the same category as love? how about manute bol? obviously the man could play defense

[Kblaze8855]

You believe that in 10-15 years hall of fame voters will know or care what Kevin loves individual game highs were? Or if he has the manufactured record you mentioned? I don’t even know what the real record is but I assume it’s wilt who never had a fame under 10 rebounds…and nobody cares about that either.

The only individual stat thing of his even I remember off the top is the 31 point quarter.

In an era of ridiculous stat lines his aren’t particularly shocking. We aren’t talking some Jokic, Harden, or Westbrook weekly eye popping lines nobody ever imagined.

This isn’t an era for a brief run of good stats to be your hook. Demarcus Cousins had that. And only one less all star season and the same number of all nba teams as well. Nobody will even remember he existed.

Love like a lot of guys who play with all timers got a few years of extra spotlight to help and the ring obviously helps too even if he did put up 9/7 in the finals and miss a game his team won by 30.

He’s a bigger name because of it but he doesn’t have anything that stands out. Being an nba based hall of famer isn’t that hard so like I said he probably makes it eventually but he doesn’t get the “Future hall of famer” talk even guys like Bosh were getting.

Bosh was a 10 time all star. That kinda settles it. Love doesn’t have a “Well…nothing left to discuss” thing to point to unless KAT and Cousins with their 25-27/12 ish seasons have them too. Love is KAT minus a year or two of great stats being turned mediocre(for a star) to contend as a third option.

Hes KAT minus 2-3 great years and traded to a contender then falling off by the time he’s 29.

Thats a great career all things considered. It’s just not a no brainer hall of fame one.

KAT has 6 straight years being what Love was for 2 and it seems nobody gives a shit. He did like 25/12 his second season while the world snored. After another decade or two of this I’m not sure the numbers will be enough.

[iamgine]

Hall of fame is kind of random. If guys like Divac or Webber or Charlie Scott can make it, why not Love or guys like him.

[post]

You believe that in 10-15 years hall of fame voters will know or care what Kevin loves individual game highs were? Or if he has the manufactured record you mentioned? I don’t even know what the real record is but I assume it’s wilt who never had a fame under 10 rebounds…and nobody cares about that either.

The only individual stat thing of his even I remember off the top is the 31 point quarter.

In an era of ridiculous stat lines his aren’t particularly shocking. We aren’t talking some Jokic, Harden, or Westbrook weekly eye popping lines nobody ever imagined.

This isn’t an era for a brief run of good stats to be your hook. Demarcus Cousins had that. And only one less all star season and the same number of all nba teams as well. Nobody will even remember he existed.

Love like a lot of guys who play with all timers got a few years of extra spotlight to help and the ring obviously helps too even if he did put up 9/7 in the finals and miss a game his team won by 30.

He’s a bigger name because of it but he doesn’t have anything that stands out. Being an nba based hall of famer isn’t that hard so like I said he probably makes it eventually but he doesn’t get the “Future hall of famer” talk even guys like Bosh were getting.

Bosh was a 10 time all star. That kinda settles it. Love doesn’t have a “Well…nothing left to discuss” thing to point to unless KAT and Cousins with their 25-27/12 ish seasons have them too. Love is KAT minus a year or two of great stats being turned mediocre(for a star) to contend as a third option.

Hes KAT minus 2-3 great years and traded to a contender then falling off by the time he’s 29.

Thats a great career all things considered. It’s just not a no brainer hall of fame one.

KAT has 6 straight years being what Love was for 2 and it seems nobody gives a shit. He did like 25/12 his second season while the world snored. After another decade or two of this I’m not sure the numbers will be enough.

i don't know or care whether the voters will know or care about love's 30/30 game and how rare it is or his double double streak

interesting though how love's name comes up again in association with wilt the arguable goat

they are 2 impressive pieces of evidence that indicate he's cut from a different cloth than a lot of guys

including amare who excelled at nothing other than efficient scoring and had his best years playing with 2 time mvp nash (although he's still more likely than not a hall of famer)

i already said kat is similar to love and love very likely would've put up more great years if he stayed in minnesota and was healthy

i have no problem throwing cousins into the kat/love category

it's also worth mentioning wes unseld got into the hall 7 years after he retired...based on what?

5 all star same as love
1 all nba less than love
1 chip same as love
1 finals mvp averaging 9 ppg
1 mvp averaging 14 ppg

not a stretch to say love kat and cousins should be first ballot hall of famers when you consider nba history including multiple hall of famers who never made an all star team in their career

seems like that kind of settles it does it not?

[L.Kizzle]

Hall of fame is kind of random. If guys like Divac or Webber or Charlie Scott can make it, why not Love or guys like him.
Divac is in because of his international influence not his NBA career. Charlie Scott got in when they had that ABA committee for a few years (not sure if it's still a thing.)

Love can get in and he won't be the worst player. That still belongs to Jack Sikma.

[post]

Divac is in because of his international influence not his NBA career. Charlie Scott got in when they had that ABA committee for a few years (not sure if it's still a thing.)

Love can get in and he won't be the worst player. That still belongs to Jack Sikma.

for those who like to count all star teams

sikma made 7

frank ramsey and kc jones and chuck cooper made 0

[Kblaze8855]

Ramsey and KC won a combined 20 nba/ncaa titles. Not an exaggeration. KC had 12 combined Ramsey 8. Cooper was the first black player drafted. Unseld was not only the MVP, but went to I believe 4 finals and was finals mvp when they won. Love was never as highly regarded in his league. Unseld was voted MVP by the players. Funny coincidence is Loves dad played with Wes and that’s both why Loves middle name is Wes and he learned to throw insane outlet passes like him.

Anyway….you mention those players and act like you don’t get the idea of a “hook”. Their stories are exceptional and 2 of them had the insane winning. As I said earlier it usually takes more than one deep ensemble ring to make it off winning. Mvp. Insane winning. Pioneer. All hooks.

And if you’re putting Cousins there too…ok then. I don’t see it but at least it’s consistent. Both there based on peak seasons obviously. Just not the best careers. Injuries are a bitch.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

LeFraud's Hall of Fame Teammates
AD
Carmelo
Wade
Rondo
Shaq
Love
Bosh
Dwight
Ray
Kyrie
Westbrook
Ben
Rose

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LeFraud's Opponents
Dirk/Kawhi/Steph/KD/Giannis all won championships on his watch.

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LeFraud's Glaring Weaknesses
Had teammates cover up his defeciencies on both sides of the court whether it be shooting the ball,closing in 4th quarters and elite defense.

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LeFraud Missing the Playoffs
He has missed the playoffs 3 times in his career and is on the verge of missing it again for the 4th time despite all of these all-star level talent on his team.

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Jack of all trades Master of NONE
He can score,pass,rebound,play some defense but he's never been the best in any of those categories.



Conclusion : LeFraud is not a top 10 all-time player

[bizil]

Shawn Kemp only has 15K points and no ring, Kevin Love has 14K points and 3-5 seasons left to add onto that. Manu is likely going in first ballot with 14K points

Well the Naismith HOF is YOUR ENTIRE HOOPS resume. It's not just NBA. That's why Manu is getting in. His international resume combined with his NBA career. If it was JUST NBA resume, Manu ISN'T an HOFer. Guys like Sabonis got in the HOF too. BECAUSE of his international resume.

[8Ball]

5 time All-star 2-Time All-NBA second team is 2 good seasons? How does that work out?

I don't value all star selections that highly. I am not saying he was a trash player but he is borderline hof, might get in but voters will not push him through.


Yes it is.

What is "good" ? Richmond averaged low 20 ppg on bad/mediocre teams and won nothing until he warmed the bench on a team that didn't need him in the POs. Love actually played a role in winning a championship (and played at a decent level in the next two Finals runs) and has some international credentials as well. Love had three "good" seasons in Minnesota alone.

Being a role player in 1 championship series isn't enough to warrant the hall of fame.

Is Ron Artest a hall of famer? Robert Horry? I don't think so.

I will give you 3 good seasons in Minnesota and that is pretty much where the good ends. He may have had 1 or 2 more good seasons if he stayed in Minny instead of being a 3rd option but since Bron left Cleveland Love didn't have that many good seasons either.

Kevin Love still has time to make the hall of fame if he morphs into a Manu kind of bench player but right now I don't think voters put him in.

[TAZORAC]

I see Kevin Love as being slightly beneath Rasheed Wallace

[3ba11]

Basketball-reference had Love at 99.7% chance to make it in 2014 before teaming up with Lebron

he was literally a LOCK before lebron-ball and big man ball-dominance made him stand in the corner for the remainder of his prime

[L.Kizzle]

Amare Stoudemire is an interesting case.
Is he a lock? One All-NBA 1st team and four 2nd teams. 6 time All-Star. About 23/9 prime numbers

[tontoz]

Amare Stoudemire is an interesting case.
Is he a lock? One All-NBA 1st team and four 2nd teams. 6 time All-Star. About 23/9 prime numbers

I would definitely put Amare in. He was a force on a contender. Bad luck with his injury and mgt breaking up the team so quickly. They literally played 1 season together, barely missed the finals and then started breaking up the team.

:(

[3ba11]

Amare Stoudemire is an interesting case.
Is he a lock? One All-NBA 1st team and four 2nd teams. 6 time All-Star. About 23/9 prime numbers


How about we ignore media awards altogether and just make basketball arguments

Amare was good but his weaker footwork made him needier for a set up man and less capable of sophisticated playoff offense like say Duncan or Hakeem.

Now lets look at historical record (winning) and production rate to confirm our eye test - boom, there it is - Amare tricked off the title in 2005 with the best team in the league and generally lost, while Duncan won and had higher peak production rate

[L.Kizzle]

How about we ignore media awards altogether and just make basketball arguments

Amare was good but his weaker footwork made him needier for a set up man and less capable of sophisticated playoff offense like say Duncan or Hakeem.

Now lets look at historical record (winning) and production rate to confirm our eye test - boom, there it is - Amare tricked off the title in 2005 with the best team in the league and generally lost, while Duncan won and had higher peak production rate
You're comparing Amare to 2 top 12 players of All-Time, why?
We all know he's not on that level.

[3ba11]

You're comparing Amare to 2 top 12 players of All-Time, why?
We all know he's not on that level.


I was illustrating a superior way to evaluate players, rather than going by the opinion of Joe the Plumbers with journalism degrees (media awards)

[La Frescobaldi]

I was illustrating a superior way to evaluate players, rather than going by the opinion of Joe the Plumbers with journalism degrees (media awards)

That’s an inferior method that should never be used

[tontoz]

How about we ignore media awards altogether and just make basketball arguments

Amare was good but his weaker footwork made him needier for a set up man and less capable of sophisticated playoff offense like say Duncan or Hakeem.

Now lets look at historical record (winning) and production rate to confirm our eye test - boom, there it is - Amare tricked off the title in 2005 with the best team in the league and generally lost, while Duncan won and had higher peak production rate


Joe Johnson broke his face before the WCF. He didn't play until game 3 and when he did finally play he wore a mask. Even without JJ the first two games were close.

Amare destroyed the Spurs, averaging 37 for the series.

[post]

Ramsey and KC won a combined 20 nba/ncaa titles. Not an exaggeration. KC had 12 combined Ramsey 8. Cooper was the first black player drafted. Unseld was not only the MVP, but went to I believe 4 finals and was finals mvp when they won. Love was never as highly regarded in his league. Unseld was voted MVP by the players. Funny coincidence is Loves dad played with Wes and that’s both why Loves middle name is Wes and he learned to throw insane outlet passes like him.

Anyway….you mention those players and act like you don’t get the idea of a “hook”. Their stories are exceptional and 2 of them had the insane winning. As I said earlier it usually takes more than one deep ensemble ring to make it off winning. Mvp. Insane winning. Pioneer. All hooks.

And if you’re putting Cousins there too…ok then. I don’t see it but at least it’s consistent. Both there based on peak seasons obviously. Just not the best careers. Injuries are a bitch.

if i won 100 championships averaging 1 ppg i wouldn't get my vote for the hall of fame

if cooper could play basketball like jackie robinson played baseball i'd have no problem with him being in the hall of fame

if there's a god and god voted for unseld for mvp i wouldn't care because various other players that year were better

if wilt got hit by a bus and never played after his rookie year he should get in the hall for that 1 year

love is not wilt but 2 years winning nothing being in the top 4 in scoring and rebounding in a 30 team league should be enough

assuming being part of the 26 and 12 club isn't