The 22' Lakers were epected to win 53 and 02' Wizards 38.. Guess who met expectation?

[3ba11]

The goat or the goat fraud?

[Johnny32]

legoat - 29.5 ppg on 21.3 fga, 52.0 fg%, 58.6 efg%, 35.7 3pt%, 61.7 2pt%, 61.7 ts%, 8.1 rpg, 6.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.1 bpg

jofraud - 22.9 ppg on 22.1 fga, 41.6 fg%, 45.0 efg%, 18.9 3pt%, 45.0 2pt%, 49.1 ts%, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg

i'd say 37 yr old lebron is exceeding expectations.

[3ba11]

legoat - 29.5 ppg on 21.3 fga, 52.0 fg%, 58.6 efg%, 35.7 3pt%, 61.7 2pt%, 61.7 ts%, 8.1 rpg, 6.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.1 bpg

jofraud - 22.9 ppg on 22.1 fga, 41.6 fg%, 45.0 efg%, 18.9 3pt%, 45.0 2pt%, 49.1 ts%, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg

i'd say 37 yr old lebron is exceeding expectations.


We don't have Jordan's 37-year stats

Those are Jordan's 38 and 39 year stats

So invalid argument

39-year Jordan went 30-30 with the worst team in the league, so he wasn't a losing player, while Lebron
is a massive loser with a super-team..

Lebron's lack of fundamentals, poor teammate fits (due to off-ball skill deficit) and non-elite jumpshooting skill (can't run off screens or have ball movement) make him a loser at 37

[3ba11]

i'd say 37 yr old lebron is exceeding expectations.





His preseason favorite will be lottery

So underachieving the expectation is the story of his career

He couldn't win the East with homecourt in 09/10, and fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser from 11-16' (6 straight years), except the Ray Allen miracle.. Only the Ray Allen miracle stopped 6 straight years of falling from preseason favorite to underdog or loser.

Now his big man ball-dominance (the worst kind of ball-dominance) is lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring

And when a player underachieves the expectation, they can't cry "comp" when they lose.. that's fraudulent and weaponizes underachieving the expectation

[8Ball]

30 ppg year 19 at 37-38 years old vs 22ppg for Jordan on the wizards.

[ImKobe]

30 ppg year 19 at 37-38 years old vs 22ppg for Jordan on the wizards.

Different eras

MJ pre-injury (vs Kings right before ASB) averaged 25.1 ppg in 46 games. Kobe in '02 was 6th in scoring at 25.2 points per game that year.

Wizards in that 46-game stretch with MJ were an above .500 team (25 - 21), Lebron isn't (24 - 28). So MJ in 6 less games at age 38/39 (after being retired for years and not working on his conditioning at all) won more games in a 46-game stretch than Current Bran through 52. The Lakers are on pace to finish at 35 wins, so that's worse than the '02 Wizards.

[1987_Lakers]

Different eras

MJ pre-injury (vs Kings right before ASB) averaged 25.1 ppg in 46 games. Kobe in '02 was 6th in scoring at 25.2 points per game that year.

Wizards in that 46-game stretch with MJ were an above .500 team (25 - 21), Lebron isn't (24 - 28).

MJ around that time...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7U74Dg04k&t

[ImKobe]

MJ around that time...



So a washed up MJ who had been drinking and smoking for 3 years after his last season did a better job at leading his team than current Bran, who spends millions per year on maintaining his body. That's an L.

[1987_Lakers]

So a washed up MJ who had been drinking and smoking for 3 years after his last season did a better job at leading his team than current Bran, who spends millions per year on maintaining his body. That's an L.

Only problem is, I don't need to nitpick stats and use a knee injury excuse that LeBron is currently playing with in order to make his numbers look better. LeBron is putting up those numbers with an injury.

MJ that full season averaged 23 on 47 TS%, that isn't great no matter how much you try to slice it, I don't care if he got injured.

[ImKobe]

Only problem is, I don't need to nitpick stats and use a knee injury excuse that LeBron is currently playing with in order to make his numbers look better. LeBron is putting up those numbers with an injury.

MJ that full season averaged 23 on 47 TS%, that isn't great no matter how much you try to slice it, I don't care if he got injured.

Not really. He barely played at the end of the season (21 mpg off the bench) and it tanked his averages. Even if I include a few of those games post-injury before they really shut him down, he still averaged 24.3 in 53 games so that would put him 8th in ppg behind VC if he didn't return to play 21 mpg in the last 7 games.

Washed up MJ with no knees still led the Wizards to a better record, unless the Lakers somehow go 8 - 4 in their last 12, which is a tough ask with 8 of the 14 on the road and with some title contenders left on the schedule.

[1987_Lakers]

Not really. He barely played at the end of the season (21 mpg off the bench) and it tanked his averages. Even if I include a few of those games post-injury before they really shut him down, he still averaged 24.3 in 53 games so that would put him 8th in ppg behind VC if he didn't return to play 21 mpg in the last 7 games.


Speaking of Vince Carter, he was getting more all-star votes than MJ in '02 & '03. I still remember VC giving him the starting spot in 2003 because he felt bad. :lol

Bron at this point is still getting more all-star votes than any other player.

[ImKobe]

Speaking of Vince Carter, he was getting more all-star votes than MJ in '02 & '03. I still remember VC giving him the starting spot in 2003 because he felt bad. :lol

Bron at this point is till getting more all-star votes than any other player.

MJ got more votes than AI (the reigning MVP and he was coming off a Finals run) in 2002. Vince didn't feel bad in '03, Jordan played 34 more games (and had the better numbers) going into the ASB and deserved that spot over VC if you had to pick between the two regardless. VC was insanely popular because of his dunks and of course he got the most votes as a result.

[Full Court]

Bronie is a chronic underachiever, no matter how much damage control his fanbois try to do.

[8Ball]

Different eras

MJ pre-injury (vs Kings right before ASB) averaged 25.1 ppg in 46 games. Kobe in '02 was 6th in scoring at 25.2 points per game that year.

Wizards in that 46-game stretch with MJ were an above .500 team (25 - 21), Lebron isn't (24 - 28). So MJ in 6 less games at age 38/39 (after being retired for years and not working on his conditioning at all) won more games in a 46-game stretch than Current Bran through 52. The Lakers are on pace to finish at 35 wins, so that's worse than the '02 Wizards.

Year 19 Bron at 37 = 29ppg and 2nd team all-nba. Might get first.
Jordan year 14 at 38 = 22ppg and 0 all nba team.

[8Ball]

Bronie is a chronic underachiever, no matter how much damage control his fanbois try to do.

He became a billionaire at 35 years old, the GOAT by 36 and you call him an under achiever.:lol

Laugh my ****ing ass off. :roll:

[ImKobe]

Year 19 Bron at 37 = 29ppg and 2nd team all-nba. Might get first.
Jordan year 14 at 38 = 22ppg and 0 all nba team.

So a 39 y.o MJ led his team to more wins than a 37 y.o Bran.

One of them spent 3 years drinking and smoking and not keeping themselves in basketball shape and came into the season with ****ed up knees while the other spends 2M+ per year to maintain their body and has multiple HOFers on his team while MJ had Kwame Brown. Bran's team is on pace for 35 wins and he had AD for almost half the season.. MJ led the Bulls to 62 wins with half a season of Pippen..

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron losing with the all time leader in triple doubles and a guy who won league mvp. That would be like MJ losing with Oscar and Karl Malone on his squad.

[Johnny32]

legoat - 29.5 ppg on 21.3 fga, 52.0 fg%, 58.6 efg%, 35.7 3pt%, 61.7 2pt%, 61.7 ts%, 8.1 rpg, 6.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.1 bpg

jofraud - 22.9 ppg on 22.1 fga, 41.6 fg%, 45.0 efg%, 18.9 3pt%, 45.0 2pt%, 49.1 ts%, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg

i'd say 37 yr old lebron is exceeding expectations.

Nothing 3tard typed after this posts matters.

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron losing with the all time leader in triple doubles and a guy who won league mvp. That would be like MJ losing with Oscar and Karl Malone on his squad.

Guys!

[kawhileonard2]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.





Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats



Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry



Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html



"The weatherman says the weather is changing soon and predicts a thunderstorm," LeBron wrote alongside a photo of himself and Anthony Davis. "It's coming. Prepare and take proper caution measures to stay safe."





http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html

6 rings in 11 full seasons without super-teams > 4 in 19 with them
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500799-6-rings-in-11-full-seasons-without-super-teams-gt-4-in-19-with-them&p=14512408&viewfull=1#post14512408

Lebron quit on the Cavs and they burned his jersey and held his family hostage. He also only won 1 title for the franchise that drafted him which is pathetic in 11 years. Imagine someone getting credit when they lose with Shaq and only get to round 2 and they lose with peak Duncan getting bronze medal.

[WhiteKyrie]

Jordan was a man, not a boy. A fearless competitor, not a coward. A leader, not a follower. A defender, not a “witch’s cone” :roll:

[Axe]

Jordan was a man, not a boy. A fearless competitor, not a coward. A leader, not a follower. A defender, not a “witch’s cone” :roll:
A fearless competitor who didn't want to compete without scottie pippen or phil jackson hmm?