Jordan Cucks, Please explain...

[KirbyPls]

How a 37-year-old player leads the league in scoring, without the benefit of 9-12 FTs/game like the other prime players also in the scoring race. Oh, LeGoat in second in paint FGs attempted, more than KD, Embiid, and Giannis.

38 points tonight, on 3 FT attempts. If only he got Wizards MJ (let alone Bulls MJ) treatment. Gramps might win the scoring title at 37, because he is still the best at getting actual buckets.

GOAT

[Johnny32]

he's shooting 62% on 2pters. jordan at 35 was shooting 46% from field, 48% from 2's and getting 9 fta per game. lol the nba is entertainment.

[Johnny32]

those fta went up to 11 in the playoffs btw. lebron is currently much better than 96-98 mj that most casuals highly overrate.

[8Ball]

Jordan stans are like flat earthers like Kyrie.


No matter how much overwhelming evidence is presented they won't believe it.


Since I profit bigly off derps I don't mind.

[Manny98]

Jerry Stackhouse once averaged 30ppg but nobody gave a shit because his team missed the playoffs that year same with LeBron this year

His stats are not impressive at all and he's not in the top 10 in the MVP race with those empty ass stats

[Johnny32]

plz look at me, plz

ignored.

[theman93]

Still the best at getting buckets yet has 1 scoring title in 2 decades. :lol

Anyways, if you watched the games this year he stat pads. Something the other top scorers aren't doing. Now imagine if they were. :roll:

[Johnny32]

imagine a jordone cuck typing about stat padding.

[theman93]

imagine a jordone cuck typing about stat padding.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RingedVacantEarthworm-size_restricted.gif

[Johnny32]

Still the best at getting buckets yet has 1 scoring title in 2 decades. :lol

Anyways, if you watched the games this year he stat pads. Something the other top scorers aren't doing. Now imagine if they were. :roll:

indeed she is.

[Spurs m8]

God, the damage control is really getting out of hand this season :roll::roll::roll:

I guess they've FINALLY realised that he isn't even in the GOAT discussion....its about time tbh

Top 10...Top 5 to some....you should be thankful, with all the blemishes on his career.

Nothing more cvck than a bron stan

[Baller789]

how a 37-year-old player leads the league in scoring, without the benefit of 9-12 fts/game like the other prime players also in the scoring race. Oh, legoat in second in paint fgs attempted, more than kd, embiid, and giannis.

38 points tonight, on 3 ft attempts. If only he got wizards mj (let alone bulls mj) treatment. Gramps might win the scoring title at 37, because he is still the best at getting actual buckets.

Goat

peds.

[TheGoatest]

$tern/pro-jordon refs handed jordon 8.8 free throw attempts on a PLATINUM PLATTER during the 1997-98 season. jordon ended up averaging 28.7 ppg.
$ilver/LeBron-hating refs are allowing LeBron to get hacked and allowing him a measly 5.8 FTAs per game, yet LeBron is still averaging 30. Let that sink in.

At the age of 37. :applause: In his 19th season. :rockon: With a nagging knee injury. :eek:

[Baller789]

$tern/pro-jordon refs handed jordon 8.8 free throw attempts on a PLATINUM PLATTER during the 1997-98 season. jordon ended up averaging 28.7 ppg.
$ilver/LeBron-hating refs are allowing LeBron to get hacked and allowing him a measly 5.8 FTAs per game, yet LeBron is still averaging 30. Let that sink in.

At the age of 37. :applause: In his 19th season. :rockon: With a nagging knee injury. :eek:

Why would you wanna give Lebron free throws when he's terrible at the line? Goatits keeps on giving. :oldlol:

[TheGoatest]

LeBron shooting 76% from the line this season on 5.8 FTAs. That equals 4.5 points generated from free throws. 76% of converted free throws from 8.8 attempts equates to 6.7 points.
The math says that LeBron, free from the shackles of the LeBron hating refs and if given the first class treatment jordon got from the refs in 1997-98, would average 32 points this season.

At the age of 37. :applause: In his 19th season. :rockon: With a nagging knee injury. :eek:

[Manny98]

LeBron shooting 76% from the line this season on 5.8 FTAs. That equals 4.5 points generated from free throws. 76% of converted free throws from 8.8 attempts equates to 6.7 points.
The math says that LeBron, free from the shackles of the LeBron hating refs and if given the first class treatment jordon got from the refs in 1997-98, would average 32 points this season.

At the age of 37. :applause: In his 19th season. :rockon: With a nagging knee injury. :eek:
3000+ posts all sucking off a grown man, what a life :lol

[Johnny32]

$tern/pro-jordon refs handed jordon 8.8 free throw attempts on a PLATINUM PLATTER during the 1997-98 season. jordon ended up averaging 28.7 ppg.
$ilver/LeBron-hating refs are allowing LeBron to get hacked and allowing him a measly 5.8 FTAs per game, yet LeBron is still averaging 30. Let that sink in.

At the age of 37. :applause: In his 19th season. :rockon: With a nagging knee injury. :eek:

check out jordone's playoffs and finals fta in 98 also. they didn't just give him every call in the reg season, they gave him a ring.

[FKAri]

3000+ posts all sucking off a grown man, what a life :lol

As opposed to what? Sucking off ungrown men? :oldlol:

[TheGoatest]

check out jordone's playoffs and finals fta in 98 also. they didn't just give him every call in the reg season, they gave him a ring.

Well, at least they called jordon's offensive foul push-offs correctly during those fin... Oh, wait:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/13MdaSqpabaSQM/giphy.gif

:roll:

[Baller789]

Well, at least they called jordon's offensive foul push-offs correctly during those fin... Oh, wait:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/13MdaSqpabaSQM/giphy.gif

:roll:

Should they have called the foul on Bryon for contact on Jordan before the crossover? Oh wait...

[2much_knowledge]

those fta went up to 11 in the playoffs btw. lebron is currently much better than 96-98 mj that most casuals highly overrate.

Much better..... L O L. One leads his team to a fkn three peat, the other is at 9th place.

One was the mvp, the other isnt even a candidate....

I could go on

[3ba11]

How a 37-year-old player leads the league in scoring, without the benefit of 9-12 FTs/game like the other prime players also in the scoring race. Oh, LeGoat in second in paint FGs attempted, more than KD, Embiid, and Giannis.

38 points tonight, on 3 FT attempts. If only he got Wizards MJ (let alone Bulls MJ) treatment. Gramps might win the scoring title at 37, because he is still the best at getting actual buckets.

GOAT


He can't average 30 on jumpers, especially off-screens, so he can't have the best teammate fits, team strategy, or team ceilings (Finals record)

He infact avoids contested jumpers, so he can't shoot immediately when the team needs and must expend the team's offense to get a lullaby jumper (where he lulls the defender to sleep and takes a quick shot when they relax).

[3ba11]

For Lebron to score a lot, the game must devolve into a beginner format with him dominating the ball and 4 shooters around him.. Ball-dominators like Lebron, Luka or Harden seemingly have well-rounded stats but are infact limited to playing 1 way (ball-dominance) - these ball-dominant skillsets tie a coach's hands and forces them to employ a simpleton, low-team-assist brand where 1 guy hogs the team's assists.. The coach is forced to replace normal ball movement and system offense with the talent of Lebron or Luka making all the plays - it's a paper tiger that requires ridiculous supporting talent to win.

Lebron's skillset is big man ball-dominance - he starts in the frontcourt but then becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor (2nd player with a point guard hold-time) - these 2 point guard lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1 point guard lineups, so the TEAM has low assists and struggles on the championship level.. Indeed, the common thread in Lebron's Finals losses is massive deficits in team assists..

So when Lebron scores a lot, it's too ball-dominant to beat good teams (weak brand of ball) and also lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load) - Lebron never carried the scoring load in the playoffs and Finals while winning title.. He also never defeated a top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, aka no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades.

To summarize - Lebron actually isn't a good scorer because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, while also lacking the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)... Since he can't beat good teams with high scoring or carry the scoring load in the Finals, he needs elite 1st options to play sidekick like Wade, Kyrie or AD.. These sidekicks actually outplayed league MVP's or FMVP's - that's the most help possible - Bosh outplayed Rose in the 11' ECF, while Kyrie outplayed Curry in the 16' FInals and AD outplayed Jokic in 20'.. Wade significantly outproduced FMVP Dirk in the 11' Finals..

These sidekicks also matched or led Lebron in scoring for entire playoff runs (11', 16', 20') - this matters because everyone in history had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for various playoff runs, so they didn't always face maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who carried the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.. Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.. (edit: there's 2 series where pippen averaged 8 and 4 less than MJ - every other series was 10 or more).. Here's Kenny Smith mentioning this salient point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s


Furthermore, teams like the 04' Pistons and 11' Mavs didn't win by superior talent - they won by superior chemistry and brand of ball.. Similarly, the Spurs, Warriors and 90's Bulls developed the best brand of ball in the league - learning the best brand is required of all organic winners, so Lebron never learned superior brand (how to win.. organic) and only learned talent-based winning (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).. He simply never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolved around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles or learned sophisticated, high team assist offenses.

Otoh, Jordan was good enough to score goat amounts running off screens and using elite jumpshooting skill or quick iso ability - this fit with a wider range of teammates and allowed the best offensive strategy (ball movement).. Coaches could run any offensive strategy with Jordan's skillset, so he had four #1 offenses with goat margins above league average (the best offenses ever with marginal offensive help)... Coaches could make Jordan run off-screens, dominate the post, or dominate the ball like a point guard - in 1989, Jordan played 24 games at point guard with 30/9/11 averages - he was a 1st time point guard at 26 and was immediately the best PG in the league according to Associated Press articles at the time - that's GOAT talent.. Ringer dotcom documented how MJ was a 30/10/10 point guard a full 30 years before Luka and Westbrook made it standard:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499374-Ringer-com-MJ-was-30-yrs-ahead-of-time-as-30-10-10-PG-like-Westbrook-Luka-etc


Ultimately, Jordan averaged 6 more points per 100 possessions than anyone in playoff history with better efficiency on those possessions (ortg) than anyone that matters.. He doubled his sidekick's playoffs scoring average and averaged more APG for their Finals career, playoff career and regular season career.. Pippen actually has the lowest career APG compared to Lebron's sidekicks like Westbrook, Wade, Kyrie, or Rondo.. Jordan also got more DPOY votes than Pippen ever year, while being top 5 DPOY and scoring champ from 88-98' (goat peak).. Overall, Jordan has the #1 all-time production rate, aka PPG, PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48 and also plus/minus or Raptor:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2021/IPef8B.gif


Every team has a ball-dominator, but Lebron's ball-dominance is abnormal for a frontcourt player, so Lebron's teams are the most ball-dominant in the league.. This matters because ball-dominance lets a defense rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively - the story is always how opponents "get hot" on Lebron's teams - see the 09' ECF, 11' FInals, 14' Finals, 17' Finals, 18' Finals, or 21' 1st Round.. Ultimately, Lebron's teams are have the highest defensive requirements because they're always facing fresh offenses that aren't worn down by a good brand of ball.

A tenet of all competition is that the best defense is a good offense - unfortunately, Lebron-ball (aka "big man ball-dominance") applies less pressure and wears down opponents less than the ball movement it faces - it loses the attrition battle inherent in any competition.. The inferior brand of ball yields perennial Finals underdogs regardless of cast and barely meets the underdog expectation (4/10 including 2 teammate bailouts).. It also underachieves the expectation - Lebron's teams were the preseason favorite from 2011-2016 but fell to Finals underdog or loser every year (6 straight years), aside from the Ray Allen miracle.. The Ray Allen miracle is the only thing that stopped Lebron's preseason favorite from falling to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years.