So 19th season Bron is as good as Peak Jordan was at scoring (Jordan’s only strength)

[Westbrook_Fan]

30ppg on 62% TS is basically as good scoring wise as Peak Jordan ever was


And 19th season LeBron just matched that :confusedshrug::pimp:

[8Ball]

:lol

19th season, LeBron ****s around and potentially gets a scoring title, the most prestigious award for Jordan stans.

For LeBron family, we don't even care if he wins it or not, it only shows that whatever Jordan was good at, LeBron was able to do at will effortlessly.

[Westbrook_Fan]

:lol

19th season, LeBron ****s around and potentially gets a scoring title, the most prestigious award for Jordan stans.

For LeBron family, we don't even care if he wins it or not, it only shows that whatever Jordan was good at, LeBron was able to do at will effortlessly.


Imagine if the opposite happened, 19th season Jordan averaging 9 rebounds and 9 assists like Peak Bron? :roll:

Impossible


Heck.. a far fresher 14th season Jordan was a 20ppg on 40% shooting scrub! :yaohappy:

[HylianNightmare]

6.

[Bronbron23]

30ppg on 62% TS is basically as good scoring wise as Peak Jordan ever was


And 19th season LeBron just matched that :confusedshrug::pimp:

Easier scoring era and he's resting on the other end. Just imagine what mj could of done offensively if he rested for half the possessions.

[3ba11]

For Lebron to score a lot, the game must devolve into a beginner format with him dominating the ball and 4 shooters around him.. Ball-dominators like Lebron, Luka or Harden seemingly have well-rounded stats but are infact limited to playing 1 way (ball-dominance) - these ball-dominant skillsets tie a coach's hands and forces them to employ a simpleton, low-team-assist brand where 1 guy hogs the team's assists.. The coach is forced to replace normal ball movement and system offense with the talent of Lebron or Luka making all the plays - it's a paper tiger that requires ridiculous supporting talent to win.

Lebron's skillset is big man ball-dominance - he starts in the frontcourt but then becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor (2nd player with a point guard hold-time) - these 2 point guard lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1 point guard lineups, so the TEAM has low assists and struggles on the championship level.. Indeed, the common thread in Lebron's Finals losses is massive deficits in team assists..

So when Lebron scores a lot, it's too ball-dominant to beat good teams (weak brand of ball) and also lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load) - Lebron never carried the scoring load in the playoffs and Finals while winning title.. He also never defeated a top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, aka no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades.

To summarize - Lebron actually isn't a good scorer because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, while also lacking the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)... Since he can't beat good teams with high scoring or carry the scoring load in the Finals, he needs elite 1st options to play sidekick like Wade, Kyrie or AD.. These sidekicks actually outplayed league MVP's or FMVP's - that's the most help possible - Bosh outplayed Rose in the 11' ECF, while Kyrie outplayed Curry in the 16' FInals and AD outplayed Jokic in 20'.. Wade significantly outproduced FMVP Dirk in the 11' Finals..

These sidekicks also matched or led Lebron in scoring for entire playoff runs (11', 16', 20') - this matters because everyone in history had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for various playoff runs, so they didn't always face maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who carried the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.. Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.. (edit: there's 2 series where pippen averaged 8 and 4 less than MJ - every other series was 10 or more).. Here's Kenny Smith mentioning this salient point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s


Furthermore, teams like the 04' Pistons and 11' Mavs didn't win by superior talent - they won by superior chemistry and brand of ball.. Similarly, the Spurs, Warriors and 90's Bulls developed the best brand of ball in the league - learning the best brand is required of all organic winners, so Lebron never learned superior brand (how to win.. organic) and only learned talent-based winning (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).. He simply never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolved around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles or learned sophisticated, high team assist offenses.

Otoh, Jordan was good enough to score goat amounts running off screens and using elite jumpshooting skill or quick iso ability - this fit with a wider range of teammates and allowed the best offensive strategy (ball movement).. Coaches could run any offensive strategy with Jordan's skillset, so he had four #1 offenses with goat margins above league average (the best offenses ever with marginal offensive help)... Coaches could make Jordan run off-screens, dominate the post, or dominate the ball like a point guard - in 1989, Jordan played 24 games at point guard with 30/9/11 averages - he was a 1st time point guard at 26 and was immediately the best PG in the league according to Associated Press articles at the time - that's GOAT talent.. Ringer dotcom documented how MJ was a 30/10/10 point guard a full 30 years before Luka and Westbrook made it standard:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499374-Ringer-com-MJ-was-30-yrs-ahead-of-time-as-30-10-10-PG-like-Westbrook-Luka-etc


Ultimately, Jordan averaged 6 more points per 100 possessions than anyone in playoff history with better efficiency on those possessions (ortg) than anyone that matters.. He doubled his sidekick's playoffs scoring average and averaged more APG for their Finals career, playoff career and regular season career.. Pippen actually has the lowest career APG compared to Lebron's sidekicks like Westbrook, Wade, Kyrie, or Rondo.. Jordan also got more DPOY votes than Pippen ever year, while being top 5 DPOY and scoring champ from 88-98' (goat peak).. Overall, Jordan has the #1 all-time production rate, aka PPG, PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48 and also plus/minus or Raptor:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2021/IPef8B.gif


Every team has a ball-dominator, but Lebron's ball-dominance is abnormal for a frontcourt player, so Lebron's teams are the most ball-dominant in the league.. This matters because ball-dominance lets a defense rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively - the story is always how opponents "get hot" on Lebron's teams - see the 09' ECF, 11' FInals, 14' Finals, 17' Finals, 18' Finals, or 21' 1st Round.. Ultimately, Lebron's teams are have the highest defensive requirements because they're always facing fresh offenses that aren't worn down by a good brand of ball.

A tenet of all competition is that the best defense is a good offense - unfortunately, Lebron-ball (aka "big man ball-dominance") applies less pressure and wears down opponents less than the ball movement it faces - it loses the attrition battle inherent in any competition.. The inferior brand of ball yields perennial Finals underdogs regardless of cast and barely meets the underdog expectation (4/10 including 2 teammate bailouts).. It also underachieves the expectation - Lebron's teams were the preseason favorite from 2011-2016 but fell to Finals underdog or loser every year (6 straight years), aside from the Ray Allen miracle.. The Ray Allen miracle is the only thing that stopped Lebron's preseason favorite from falling to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years.

[Westbrook_Fan]

Easier scoring era and he's resting on the other end. Just imagine what mj could of done offensively if he rested for half the possessions.

What would 19th season MJ do?

[Full Court]

Bronie's biggest problem is that the man just can't stop losing.

[Baller789]

What would 19th season MJ do?

So is this Lebron better than 2007 Lebron OP?

(Guys watch me end this MFkr) :lol

[Cali Syndicate]

MJ was winning scoring titles and winning championships, MVPs, all defensive NBA honors, plus more. I dont think you understand what you think you ubderstand.

[Westbrook_Fan]

MJ was winning scoring titles and winning championships, MVPs, all defensive NBA honors, plus more. I dont think you understand what you think you ubderstand.

He missed the playoffs, and went 1-9 without Pippen...

[kawhileonard2]

He missed the playoffs, and went 1-9 without Pippen...

Answer em all

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.





Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats



Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry



Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html



"The weatherman says the weather is changing soon and predicts a thunderstorm," LeBron wrote alongside a photo of himself and Anthony Davis. "It's coming. Prepare and take proper caution measures to stay safe."





http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html



6 rings in 11 full seasons without super-teams > 4 in 19 with them
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500799-6-rings-in-11-full-seasons-without-super-teams-gt-4-in-19-with-them&p=14512408&viewfull=1#post14512408

Lebron quit on the Cavs and they burned his jersey and held his family hostage. He also only won 1 title for the franchise that drafted him which is pathetic in 11 years. Imagine someone getting credit when they lose with Shaq and only get to round 2 and they lose with peak Duncan getting bronze medal.

[Baller789]

He missed the playoffs, and went 1-9 without Pippen...

Hey fag00t.

Is this Lebron better than 2007 Lebron?

[Cyrus334]

:lol

19th season, LeBron ****s around and potentially gets a scoring title, the most prestigious award for Jordan stans.

For LeBron family, we don't even care if he wins it or not, it only shows that whatever Jordan was good at, LeBron was able to do at will effortlessly.
Yeah if you just completely ignore defense lmao.

[Baller789]

Yeah if you just completely ignore defense lmao.

Didn't you know? Defense doesn't exist in basketball.

[TheGoatest]

30ppg on 62% TS is basically as good scoring wise as Peak Jordan ever was


And 19th season LeBron just matched that :confusedshrug::pimp:

jordon extremist alts will claim that LeBron's insane numbers are due to some "era" related crap, but at the same time they will conveniently skip discussing the fact that jordon played in an era where 4 different players averaged more assists than any player averaged in LeBron's 19 seasons in the league.

[8Ball]

Yeah if you just completely ignore defense lmao.

LeBron just as good defensively.

[Baller789]

LeBron just as good defensively.

That defensive instinct, he's like a heat seeking missile out there.

https://i.ibb.co/mRkfKcg/kuzma-lebron-james.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[Jasper]

I will replay a scene : All-Star game , Kobe looking ,, and Bron with seconds left passes up the shot and passes to a player that seems to never had taken a last minute shot.
Kobe walks up to Bron and scolds the hell out of Bron.


Jordan : last minute - is my time(.)

[FKAri]

I will replay a scene : All-Star game , Kobe looking ,, and Bron with seconds left passes up the shot and passes to a player that seems to never had taken a last minute shot.
Kobe walks up to Bron and scolds the hell out of Bron.


Jordan : last minute - is my time(.)

Why do your posts read like a passage from Finnegans Wake?

EDIT: Not sure why anyone would even post in this thread tbh. We are all guilty.

[SouBeachTalents]

Why do your posts read like a passage from Finnegans Wake?

EDIT: Not sure why anyone would even post in this thread tbh. We are all guilty.
OP's made this exact thread like 2 dozen times in the last month, and he STILL manages to get people to reply to him seriously :lol