Lebron’s scoring is not resulting in wins

[Walk on Water]

His team his 10 games under 500. Don’t tell me that if they didn’t have James, that they’d be much worse. They suck as is. Can’t get much worse. People were saying this team was gonna win it all.

This is how you know Lebron fans are so distorted from reality. 31-41… they wouldn’t even make the playoffs in a traditional year.

As a matter of fact, the Lakers have been kinda bad 3 out of 4 years. Welcome to the West Lebron. You suck man. You suck.

[Kblaze8855]

Yea whatever…anyway….


Everyone go to like 1:30 and watch from there on to have your mind blown:




https://youtu.be/FicpXLL1Mig

[AlternativeAcc.]

Yea whatever…anyway….


Everyone go to like 1:30 and watch from there on to have your mind blown:




https://youtu.be/FicpXLL1Mig

Wait, u didn't know his name was Tolkien?


Racist pos.

[Kblaze8855]

Apparently so.

I do love a long setup joke even if it almost certainly wasn’t and they just thought of it a month before it aired in usual south park style.

[Spurs m8]

Lucky AD carried him out of the lottery for 1 season

[AlternativeAcc.]

Apparently so.

I do love a long setup joke even if it almost certainly wasn’t and they just thought of it a month before it aired in usual south park style.

I'm sure you've seen 6 days to air, right? If not its a very interesting insight on how the show is written. It's free on youtube

That joke was probably written 4 days before it aired. :lol

[Kblaze8855]

I’ve not but I actually saw it on HBO max earlier and considered it before starting this new season. I’ll have to watch it.

[tontoz]

OP are you aware you have 4 Lebron threads on the front page? Is that really necessary?

[FultzNationRISE]

Funny enough, it usually sounded to me like they were saying Token throughout the series, which I logically figured they were, but it would on occasion sound like they were saying Tolkien instead, long before this episode aired.

I agree it’s almost certainly coincidence, but an interesting one nonetheless.

[AlternativeAcc.]

OP are you aware you have 4 Lebron threads on the front page? Is that really necessary?

OP is warriorfan, the biggest loser of all time

Leave it to him to be the most uninteresting, nonclever troll the sites ever had.

[StrongLurk]

Yea whatever…anyway….


Everyone go to like 1:30 and watch from there on to have your mind blown:




https://youtu.be/FicpXLL1Mig


:roll:

[Manny98]

Yea whatever…anyway….


Everyone go to like 1:30 and watch from there on to have your mind blown:




https://youtu.be/FicpXLL1Mig
That was pretty cool :lol

[Axe]

OP is warriorfan, the biggest loser of all time

Leave it to him to be the most uninteresting, nonclever troll the sites ever had.
Op has been on a run since highwhey has been missing or absent lately.

[TheGoatest]

LeBron's highest 4 scoring games this season have all been Lakers Ws. The alt who made this thread is FUMING over this fact. :roll:
The problem is that, being the amazing leader that he is, he often tries not to score as much in order to get his bum, 6-13 record-having without him, teammates going. But he can't help those who are unwilling to help themselves. The best for the Lakers would be for LeBron to go for 40+ every game.
And despite not scoring as much as he could/should, he is STILL leading the league in scoring.

At the age of 37. :applause: In his 19th season. :rockon: With a nagging knee injury. :eek:

[3ba11]

MJ was considered a better point guard then Magic when he averaged 30/9/11 at point guard in 89' - Pippen is nowhere near this - MJ was the only option if the Bulls needed elite apg

MJ doubled Pippen's scoring and still averaged more assists - no one in history is anywhere near this load

[3ba11]

No one puts Lebron in the category of "bad brand" players that average 30 but lose like Iverson, or remember when Stackhouse averaged 30?

Lebron should be put in this category of bad brand players because ball-dominance and low team assists is just as detrimental as a low-efficiency chucker (Iverson or Stackhouse) or turnover machine (Westbrook or Lebron).

And Lebron's ball-dominance is the worst kind - big man ball-dominance - it will underachieve ANY cast - the story of his career is underachieving his team's expectation.

[1987_Lakers]

Bulls went 40-42 when MJ averaged 37 points.

[3ba11]

Bulls went 40-42 when MJ averaged 37 points.


The 87' Bulls were expected to be the 4th-worst team in the league based on their +10000 preseason odds - they significantly exceeded expectation

Otoh, the 22' Lakers were favored to win the title (depending on the source) and have drastically underachieved.

87' Jordan was like Curry last year where Curry was dragging a 20-win team to 35 wins - that's the first leg of the organic journey because no one ever carried a 20-win team to the title - the 20-win team needs to be carried to around .500 and then that .500 team can go on a deep run or win title.

[tpols]

The 87' Bulls were expected to be the 4th-worst team in the league based on their +10000 preseason odds - they significantly exceeded expectation

Otoh, the 22' Lakers were favored to win the title (depending on the source) and have drastically underachieved.

87' Jordan was like Curry last year where Curry was dragging a 20-win team to 35 wins - that's the first leg of the organic journey because no one ever carried a 20-win team to the title - the 20-win team needs to be carried to around .500 and then that .500 team can go on a deep run or win title.

Larry Bird did it. Celtics won 20 games before he got there and he ringed pretty much right off the bat.

[1987_Lakers]

The 87' Bulls were expected to be the 4th-worst team in the league based on their +10000 preseason odds - they significantly exceeded expectation

Otoh, the 22' Lakers were favored to win the title (depending on the source) and have drastically underachieved.

87' Jordan was like Curry last year where Curry was dragging a 20-win team to 35 wins - that's the first leg of the organic journey because no one ever carried a 20-win team to the title - the 20-win team needs to be carried to around .500 and then that .500 team can go on a deep run or win title.

MJ that same year...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y&feature=emb_title

Bulls had a 7 point lead with 11 minutes left in the fourth. Celtics however went on a Bird-led run in the fourth and completed the sweep. Jordan shot 0/8 in the fourth

No Pip, no chip.

[3ba11]

MJ that same year...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y&feature=emb_title

Bulls had a 7 point lead with 11 minutes left in the fourth. Celtics however went on a Bird-led run in the fourth and completed the sweep. Jordan shot 0/8 in the fourth

No Pip, no chip.


Before MJ started winning, he was scoring champ and carried the biggest load in history.

Nothing changed when he started winning.

He still carried the load and was scoring champ..

Ultimately, Pippen is the only sidekick that was more of an athlete than a go-to player - think Robert Horry with a few extra dunks - so he couldn't prevent MJ from facing maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load).

Otoh, every other sidekick often dominated and co-led various series.. Everyone's best was better than Pippen's because he's the only sidekick that was more of an athlete than a go-to player

[1987_Lakers]

Before MJ started winning, he was scoring champ and carried the biggest load in history.


And was losing, it wasn't until Pippen started to shine as a player when they won.

1-9

[3ba11]

Larry Bird did it. Celtics won 20 games before he got there and he ringed pretty much right off the bat.


Larry Bird certainly has the best team turnaround in history, but even Bird needed a pit-stop for his 20-win team before winning the title.. He didn't win with a 20-win team in Year 1 - he exceeded the normal organic journey but it was still a journey

[3ba11]

And was losing, it wasn't until Pippen started to shine as a player when they won.

1-9


The historical record, stats and comparisons show that Jordan had the least help of any dynasty...... BY FAR.. Pippen's performance never reached peak-Horry level - let that sink in

So Jordan won despite lacking the high-producing elite scorer that everyone else in history enjoyed for most of their rings

[ShawkFactory]

Before MJ started winning, he was scoring champ and carried the biggest load in history.

Nothing changed when he started winning.

He still carried the load and was scoring champ..

Ultimately, Pippen is the only sidekick that was more of an athlete than a go-to player - think Robert Horry with a few extra dunks - so he couldn't prevent MJ from facing maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load).

Otoh, every other sidekick often dominated and co-led various series.. Everyone's best was better than Pippen's because he's the only sidekick that was more of an athlete than a go-to player

No one has to think about your comparison. There's mountains of video evidence. It's almost like you forget that when you've making your arguments.

[3ba11]

.
Only Pippen failed to reach peak-Horry level over a meaningful sample size


Finals

95' Horry...... 19.0 gamescore... 18/10/4/3/2 on 57 TS

92' Pippen.... 18.1 gamescore.... 21/8/7/2/1 on 56 TS
91' Pippen.... 17.5 gamescore.... 21/9/7/2/1 on 53 TS
93' Pippen.... 15.6 gamescore.... 20/9/8/2/1 on 46 TS
97' Pippen.... 15.1 gamescore.... 20/8/3/2/2 on 54 TS
96' Pippen.... 13.4 gamescore.... 16/7/5/2/1 on 43 TS
98' Pippen.... 13.0 gamescore.... 16/8/5/2/1 on 50 TS



No one has to think about your comparison. There's mountains of video evidence. It's almost like you forget that when you've making your arguments.


Exactly.. Pippen was Horry - the tape don't lie

the only difference is that Horry didn't play with MJ.. Pippen's career timeline shows that he was propped up by the triangle and dynasty chemistry, - otherwise, he was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score.

Pippen is the only guy that never reached Horry-level in the Finals over a meaningful sample size - Pippen is 0/6 in reaching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so imagine winning 6 Finals with peak Horry as sidekick (less than peak Horry)

Horry agrees with me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZpVlMVYr-A&t=24s)

[ShawkFactory]

Exactly.. Pippen was Horry - the tape don't lie


That's the opposite of what I was saying.

Well..not about the tape lying. It doesn't.

[3ba11]

That's the opposite of what I was saying.

Well..not about the tape lying. It doesn't.


Horry won 7 rings by hitting 100 big shots

How many did Pippen hit for his 6 rings?

Again, the only difference is that Horry didn't play with MJ.. Pippen's career timeline shows that he was propped up by the triangle and dynasty chemistry, - otherwise, he was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score.

[ShawkFactory]

Horry won 7 rings by hitting 100 big shots

How many did Pippen hit for his 6 rings?

Again, the only difference is that Horry didn't play with MJ.. Pippen's career timeline shows that he was propped up by the triangle and dynasty chemistry, - otherwise, he was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score.

And their games in general.

[3ba11]

And their games in general.


Outside the triangle and dynasty chemistry, Pippen was just an athlete like Horry.

Horry is a great example of what Pippen would've been without MJ developing him or the triangle carrying him (system player).

Even without a mentor like MJ or a system to carry him, Horry's spacing and clutch > Pippen's 5 apg and no production in 4th

Hardaway, Stockton, Payton and KJ's 10 apg > Pippen's 5 apg

Pippen simply had lower scoring and assists than most 90's sidekicks... so ONLY JORDAN faced maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load) because only Jordan lacked a go-to player or elite offensive threat at sidekick (ppg or apg)

[tpols]

And their games in general.

It would be really interesting to see Robert Horry in Pippen place. When he was young he was a phenomenal athlete, good defender, sniper shooter and of course clutch as ****. Even when he was old and playing with the spurs he was clutch as ****.


https://youtu.be/q2v3fji29VE

Its incredible to me that Pippen never had any clutch moments over 100s of playoff games. In the clutch he's most known for the 1994 debacle and the blown 17 point 4th quarter lead in the 2000 WCFs where he got crossed up by Kobe and slammed on by Shaq.

Its an interesting hypothetical to contemplate what MJ would do with Horry. He was easily a better offensive player and young Horry was athletic and could play defense as well. Obviously not as good on that side as Pippen but the question is does his superior shooting, offense, and clutch ability offset that difference? Its entirely possible that it may....

[ShawkFactory]

Outside the triangle and dynasty chemistry, Pippen was just an athlete like Horry.

Horry is a great example of what Pippen would've been without MJ developing him or the triangle carrying him (system player).

Even without a mentor like MJ or a system to carry him, Horry's spacing and clutch > Pippen's 5 apg and no production in 4th

Hardaway, Stockton, Payton and KJ's 10 apg > Pippen's 5 apg

Pippen simply had lower scoring and assists than most 90's sidekicks... so ONLY JORDAN faced maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load) because only Jordan lacked a go-to player or elite offensive threat at sidekick (ppg or apg)

You don’t have to say things like this to make your point.

[ShawkFactory]

It would be really interesting to see Robert Horry in Pippen place. When he was young he was a phenomenal athlete, good defender, sniper shooter and of course clutch as ****. Even when he was old and playing with the spurs he was clutch as ****.


https://youtu.be/q2v3fji29VE

Its incredible to me that Pippen never had any clutch moments over 100s of playoff games. In the clutch he's most known for the 1994 debacle and the blown 17 point 4th quarter lead in the 2000 WCFs where he got crossed up by Kobe and slammed on by Shaq.

Its an interesting hypothetical to contemplate what MJ would do with Horry. He was easily a better offensive player and young Horry was athletic and could play defense as well. Obviously not as good on that side as Pippen but the question is does his superior shooting, offense, and clutch ability offset that difference? Its entirely possible that it may....

I’m not even one to use stats as an argument, but it’s hilarious that someone is telling me that a dude whose career high is 12ppg is “easily better” offensively than someone who averaged 20 over an entire decade.

[Full Court]

You can't really argue with OP's premise. Bronie's scoring certainly hasn't resulted in wins.

It's called empty stats. If he wants to make a difference and impact his team, he should try playing defense and not chasing longevity points.

[Kblaze8855]

.Its incredible to me that Pippen never had any clutch moments over 100s of playoff games.


It would be incredible if it were true. Even putting aside his many clutch plays on the Bulls(it would be impossible to win 6 rings without the second best player making big plays) he made fairly high profile ones even washed up. This is a down two pull up three to knock the Jazz out….


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LastingUntimelyHorsechestnutleafminer-size_restricted.gif




Elimination game, trailing, no Jordan to take the shot, straight stare down 3 for the series.

The only way you could believe he never made clutch plays is to not remember the era and listen to Internet trolls as if they are a reliable source of anything. This place is 90% misinformation designed to trick the gullible because trolls somehow see value in convincing 4 people to see it their way even if they have to make it up.

[SouBeachTalents]

^ I’m surprised you had nothing about his Horry > Pippen offensively stance. Though maybe you just felt that wasn’t worth addressing :lol

[Kblaze8855]

I noticed a piece of that but at this point I know some things are just best avoided. Some things are so stupid that to believe them in the first place they require a level of stubbornness too annoying to deal with. That’s a waste of everyone’s time. Not that I don’t have it to waste right now….I’m in Lenox in Atlanta with two women one of which has my credit card and I have no desire to follow them….but I still won’t use my time on a Horry/Pippen fight with someone who doesn’t remember the prime of either. That’s a 2002-2019 or so thing for me to do. I’m mostly retired from work and hope to completely retire from acknowledging stupid arguments soon.

[ShawkFactory]

I noticed a piece of that but at this point I know some things are just best avoided. Some things are so stupid that to believe them in the first place they require a level of stubbornness too annoying to deal with. That’s a waste of everyone’s time. Not that I don’t have it to waste right now….I’m in Lenox in Atlanta with two women one of which has my credit card and I have no desire to follow them….but I still won’t use my time on a Horry/Pippen fight with someone who doesn’t remember the prime of either. That’s a 2002-2019 or so thing for me to do. I’m mostly retired from work and hope to completely retire from acknowledging stupid arguments soon.
You're in the wrong place for that.

[tpols]

^ I’m surprised you had nothing about his Horry > Pippen offensively stance. Though maybe you just felt that wasn’t worth addressing :lol

I mean... he posted one shot that nobody remembers. One crunch time basket in over a decade of playoff games. There HAS to be an example from the Bulls 6 rings right? But I guess he chose that one because Pippen literally had zero clutch shots throughout all those titles. Where as Horry has a million everybody knows about. Because the dude literally sucked the air out of stadiums with some of his clutch jumpers and its impossible to not know about them. Pippen doesn't have that.

Horry started his career out with similar productions to Pippen. He averaged 18/10/4 in the 1995 Finals which is basically prime pippen averages. Imagine if he had MJ busting his ass everyday in practice building his work ethic up? He was naturally a much better shooter than Pippen, but also athletic too. That could have been a tremendous pairing.

[Kblaze8855]

You're in the wrong place for that.

She wants some red bottoms because last time we were in Miami she didn’t ask for anything and feels she gets to make up for it. I’m not that worried about it. She actually paid for my Xbox a couple weeks ago. She won’t do too much.

[Kblaze8855]

. I mean... he posted one shot that nobody remembers. One crunch time basket in over a decade of playoff games. There HAS to be an example from the Bulls 6 rings right? But I guess he chose that one because Pippen literally had zero clutch shots throughout all those titles.

What’s funny is what I posted isn’t even Pippens only series winning basket. Not game. Series ending. But you honestly have no idea what I’m talking about. I’ll leave your education to more patient people than I am these days. Anyone listening to you evaluate these people is beyond my help anyway so your usual misinformation is probably harmless.

[1987_Lakers]

I mean... he posted one shot that nobody remembers. One crunch time basket in over a decade of playoff games. There HAS to be an example from the Bulls 6 rings right?

I'm sure you didn't watch the '93 series vs the Knicks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llgnf6gY_gM&t

[tpols]

Im sorry for busting your chops so much bro, but please don't use that word. That's some serious media parrot shit.

Where did that 3ball post on Horry dunks go? He looked like a carbon copy attacking the rim in those Houston gifs.

[Phoenix]

I'm sure you didn't watch the '93 series vs the Knicks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llgnf6gY_gM&t

Not to forget this sequence being one of the signature playoff moments:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRFKhpMKX0E

But that's the side of the court ISH doesn't like to acknowledge, just PPPGGGzzzzz!!

[3ba11]

:facepalm:

[3ba11]

^ I’m surprised you had nothing about his Horry > Pippen offensively stance. Though maybe you just felt that wasn’t worth addressing :lol


These gifs show what rookie Pippen would've become if he never developed his 7 ppg under the goat and wasn't propped up by dynasty chemistry (system player):


https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-24-2022/GZT4ZS.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-24-2022/aFePz7.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-24-2022/Aj2rKX.gif


^^^Those are all from 1 game.

For anyone that understands basketball, it's perfectly reasonable to say that Pippen would've been a Horry-level player without MJ or dynasty system, especially when you consider that Horry's peak (95' Finals) was superior statistically to any of Pippen's Finals (gamescore).

Horry would develop alongside the goat scorer like Pippen did, which would make his 95' Finals level his standard caliber.

Perhaps most importantly, the Rockets dominated the Bulls in the early 90's - they were actually superior at every position except SF and SG - the series would literally come down to Pippen vs Horry..

Choker Pippen would have less chance against Horry then he did against X-Man in 92' - X-man ragdolled Pippen, which is why the series went 7.. Anytime a series was close or lost (89' ECF, 90' ECF, 92' ECSF, 98' ECF, 98' Finals), it was Pippen's poor play that caused it.. So again, i HATE Pippen's chances against assassin and dog like Horry... and the Bulls almost certainly lose in 95' when the Rockets add Drexler..

[tpols]

:facepalm:

Yea I feel like people think Robert Horry was Channing Frye or something. Just a tall nice jumpshooter. Look at these gifs... That's amazing athleticism. And he had the shooting and the fearlessness to make any tough jumper. The fact that the media has sold Pippen as top 20 all time is a testament to how dishonest they are not just on this subject, but on all of them.

[Phoenix]

For anyone that understands basketball, it's perfectly reasonable to say that Pippen would've been a Horry-level player without MJ or dynasty system, especially when you consider that Horry's peak (95' Finals) was superior statistically to any of Pippen's (gamescore).



92 Drexler( MVP runnerup) 18.5 GmSc
96 Kemp 18.9 GmSc
96 Payton( DPOY) 14.4 GmSc
97 Malone ( MVP) 16.8 GmSc
98 Malone (MVP runnerup) 18.5 GmSc

So you're saying on account of GmSc, Horry's finals peak was higher than the play of MVP level finals competition MJ faced in 4 of 6 finals.

https://c.tenor.com/5vcncLxsNYcAAAAC/whoops-whoopsie.gif

Dear 3ball,

Please cease and desist any and all attempts to argue on behalf of Michael Jordan.

Regards,

Actual Michael Jordan fans

[ShawkFactory]

Yea I feel like people think Robert Horry was Channing Frye or something. Just a tall nice jumpshooter. Look at these gifs... That's amazing athleticism. And he had the shooting and the fearlessness to make any tough jumper. The fact that the media has sold Pippen as top 20 all time is a testament to how dishonest they are not just on this subject, but on all of them.

No

[Lakers Legend#32]

With the season gone, might as well make it entertaining for the fans.

[3ba11]

92 Drexler( MVP runnerup) 18.5 GmSc
96 Kemp 18.9 GmSc
96 Payton( DPOY) 14.4 GmSc
97 Malone ( MVP) 16.8 GmSc
98 Malone (MVP runnerup) 18.5 GmSc

So you're saying on account of GmSc, Horry's finals peak was higher than the play of MVP level finals competition MJ faced in 4 of 6 finals.

https://c.tenor.com/5vcncLxsNYcAAAAC/whoops-whoopsie.gif

Dear 3ball,

Please cease and desist any and all attempts to argue on behalf of Michael Jordan.

Regards,

Actual Michael Jordan fans


Horry played really well in the 95' Finals - his combination of futuristic spacing/shooting and defense was elite for any era..

But as good as Horry was, everyone reached Horry-level over a meaningful sample size except Pippen.. Only Pippen failed to reach Horry-level in the Finals over a meaningful sample size - he's 0/6, so MJ won 6 chips with a sidekick that never reached Horry-level

And that's the point with Pippen - he's the only sidekick that wasn't capable of elite production - he's the only sidekick that wasn't a threat or on the scouting report, so MJ had to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry the scoring load).. Everyone else had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for various playoff runs, while MJ had to carry the scoring load in every SERIES - so it isn't even close

[Phoenix]

Horry played really well in the 95' Finals - his combination of futuristic spacing/shooting and defense was elite for any era..

But as good as Horry was, everyone reached Horry-level over a meaningful sample size except Pippen.. Only Pippen failed to reach Horry-level in the Finals over a meaningful sample size - he's 0/6, so MJ won 6 chips with a sidekick that never reached Horry-level

And that's the point with Pippen - he's the only sidekick that wasn't capable of elite production - he's the only sidekick that wasn't a threat or on the scouting report, so MJ had to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry the scoring load).. Everyone else had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for various playoff runs, while MJ had to carry the scoring load in every SERIES - so it isn't even close

Oh ok. So peak Clyde Drexler, peak Kemp and Payton, and MVP Karl Malone didn't achieve 'peak Horry' level when they faced MJ in the finals.

Stop posting.

[Phoenix]

3ball: Scottie Pippen never reached peak Horry level in 95 finals on account of GameScore

Robert Horry 1995 finals: 19.0 GmSc
Michael Jordan 1996 finals: 18.5 GmSc

3ball:
https://c.tenor.com/21TsdF0Ob_oAAAAM/michael-jackson-dancing.gif

[3ba11]

3ball: Scottie Pippen never reached peak Horry level in 95 finals on account of GameScore

Robert Horry 1995 finals: 19.0 GmSc
Michael Jordan 1996 finals: 18.5 GmSc

3ball:
https://c.tenor.com/21TsdF0Ob_oAAAAM/michael-jackson-dancing.gif


Pippen < peak Horry..

we can't say that about anyone else because everyone else reached Horry-level over a meaningful sample size

Hope that helps

[Phoenix]

MJ and others reached Horry-level over any meaningful sample size, so we know they're capable of playing better than peak-Horry - Pippen is the only guy that never reached Horry-level so he's the only guy we know is inferior to peak Horry... :confusedshrug:.. Pippen < peak Horry

The conclusion from your GmSc example is that Horry was playing at a higher level in the 95 finals than 92 Drexler, 96 Kemp/Payton, and 97/98 Malone in their finals. Whether those players had higher GmSc against other teams and players is irrelevant, what matters is the level of competition they provided the Bulls in the series they played against them. There is no universe in which Robert Horry should ever be considered 'on the level' of literal MVP winners, MVP runner-ups and dream teamers, by any metric whether the sample size is large or small, but that's precisely what your idiotic take implies.

[Phoenix]

Pippen < peak Horry..

[I]we can't say that about anyone else because everyone else reached Horry-level over a meaningful sample size

Hope that helps


Robert Horry in 95 playoffs had a GmSc 12.5 in the WCFs, 12.0 in the WCSFs, and 10.4 in the first round, over a 18 game sample size. But we'll go with a 4 game series as the more 'meaningful sample size'. :oldlol:

Hakeem also averaged 15ppg more than Horry in the 95 finals. 17.8ppg, scoring numbers and point differential ( carry jobs) that you criticize Pippen for playing next to MJ, yet have the jerkins and a paper towel out for Horry. How many times have I called out your bullshit this week alone?

[3ba11]

The conclusion from your GmSc example is that Horry was playing at a higher level in the 95 finals than 92 Drexler, 96 Kemp/Payton, and 97/98 Malone in their finals. Whether those players had higher GmSc against other teams and players is irrelevant, what matters is the level of competition they provided the Bulls in the series they played against them. There is no universe in which Robert Horry should ever be considered 'on the level' of literal MVP winners, MVP runner-ups and dream teamers, by any metric whether the sample size is large or small, but that's precisely what your idiotic take implies.


Sure tons of guys have fallen short to peak-Horry on occasion.

But we can't Horry is better than anyone except Pippen because everyone else reached Horry-level over a meaningful sample size.. Pippen is the only guy that never reached peak-Horry, so he's the only guy we can say for certain is inferior to peak-Horry

Hope that helps

[Phoenix]

Sure tons of guys have fallen short to peak-Horry on occasion.

But we can't Horry is better than anyone except Pippen because everyone else reached Horry-level over a meaningful sample size.. Pippen is the only guy that never reached peak-Horry, so he's the only guy we can say for certain is inferior to peak-Horry

Hope that helps

Robert Horry played better in 1995 finals than Michael Jordan in 1996 finals. With a 18ppg average on 43% shooting. GameScore.

Hope that helps

[Full Court]

Bronie's lack of scoring in 2011 also didn't result in wins.