Im Still Ballin
03-27-2022, 02:08 PM
I think I may have underestimated him a little as a post-up threat. Compared to past greats, his volume of shots from the pivot is lower, but that's more a function of where the current league is at. In the past, the Illegal Defense rules made it easier to get post-up possessions.
The rules enforced a degree of spacing that, in today's league, requires shooting. I think that we've only recently perhaps unlocked the potential reemergence of the post-up with the 3pt revolution. In the future, I hope we begin to see some great back-to-the-basket players fit within the modern NBA like Embiid and Jokic are.
I'm not sure we'll ever see the days again where someone is taking 15+ post-up possessions per game. Shaq was doing 17-18 in his prime according to this thread (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1291923#:~:text=finishing%20throug h%20contact.-,But%20there%20is%20a%20HUGE%20difference%20in%20v olume.%20Shaq%20here%20is%20getting%2017.6%20post% 20up%20plays%20per%20game%20compared%20to%204.4%20 for%20Barkley.,-Top).
Who knows, maybe one day a Shaq-like guy will come along and demand that many post touches again. Embiid has been between 8-10 in recent years I believe.
Here are the post-up stats for the two big centers:
Joel Embiid: 7.8 possessions, 1.07 PPP, 48.9% eFG, 25.8% Free throw frequency
Nikola Jokic: 5.0 possessions, 1.16 PPP, 62.7% eFG, 14.4% Free throw frequency
To get a better idea about how good these numbers are, consider that the average PPP (points per possession) of a non-putback half-court offensive possession is typically below 1.0:
Per CTG, the average PPP for a half-court play is 0.959, while that of a putback is 1.14
14 Dec 2020
It's rare, at least in the last 17 years for guys to be above 1.05 PPP from the post. Dirk did 1.10 PPP in 2010-2011 I believe. I can't find the synergy data that I was looking at yesterday.
The rules enforced a degree of spacing that, in today's league, requires shooting. I think that we've only recently perhaps unlocked the potential reemergence of the post-up with the 3pt revolution. In the future, I hope we begin to see some great back-to-the-basket players fit within the modern NBA like Embiid and Jokic are.
I'm not sure we'll ever see the days again where someone is taking 15+ post-up possessions per game. Shaq was doing 17-18 in his prime according to this thread (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1291923#:~:text=finishing%20throug h%20contact.-,But%20there%20is%20a%20HUGE%20difference%20in%20v olume.%20Shaq%20here%20is%20getting%2017.6%20post% 20up%20plays%20per%20game%20compared%20to%204.4%20 for%20Barkley.,-Top).
Who knows, maybe one day a Shaq-like guy will come along and demand that many post touches again. Embiid has been between 8-10 in recent years I believe.
Here are the post-up stats for the two big centers:
Joel Embiid: 7.8 possessions, 1.07 PPP, 48.9% eFG, 25.8% Free throw frequency
Nikola Jokic: 5.0 possessions, 1.16 PPP, 62.7% eFG, 14.4% Free throw frequency
To get a better idea about how good these numbers are, consider that the average PPP (points per possession) of a non-putback half-court offensive possession is typically below 1.0:
Per CTG, the average PPP for a half-court play is 0.959, while that of a putback is 1.14
14 Dec 2020
It's rare, at least in the last 17 years for guys to be above 1.05 PPP from the post. Dirk did 1.10 PPP in 2010-2011 I believe. I can't find the synergy data that I was looking at yesterday.