Doncic is the MVP and its not close

[90sgoat]

Forget the stats, all the candidates have great stats.

Mavs are 2 games out of 3rd in the West, which would be an insane achievement with a roster which second best player is either Spencer Dinwiddie or Jalen Brunson.

Luka is doing what Embiid, Jokic and Tatum are doing, but with a significantly worse roster.

If Mavs get 3rd then there's no debate, Luka is the MVP.

[Mask the Embiid]

mvps dont come into the season out of shape and play their way into shape...

maybe next year champ :oldlol:

[Spurs m8]

Yeah, it's remarkable what he's able to do, with what little he has

[Spurs m8]

mvps dont come into the season out of shape and play their way into shape...

maybe next year champ :oldlol:

Knew this racist cvck would be right in here

[tontoz]

Sure let's forget the stats because his stats don't compare to the top 3 guys.



:kobe:

[FultzNationRISE]

The support isnt highly acclaimed, but it’s not a bad group overall. The idea he’s dragging G-leaguers to a good record is a fallacy.

Im instinctively skeptical of their playoff chances because they lack size/athleticism up front, but the more I look at it Im not sure theres a team in the West they cant match up with save for Phoenix. Altho a third straight battle with a healthy Clippers also wouldnt bode well.

We’ll see.

[Spurs m8]

Sure let's forget the stats because his stats don't compare to the top 3 guys.



:kobe:

What?

They absolutely do

Luka 28, 9, 8

Embiid 30, 11, 4

Jokic 26, 13, 8

Luka arguably better stats than Embiid...probably better tbh

[tontoz]

What?

They absolutely do

Luka 28, 9, 8

Embiid 30, 11, 4

Jokic 26, 13, 8

Luka arguably better stats than Embiid...probably better tbh


Ever heard of the word efficiency?

Embiid
TS 60.8%
Ortg 119

Doncic
TS 56.4%
Ortg 109

[noonereal]

Forget the stats, all the candidates have great stats.

Mavs are 2 games out of 3rd in the West, which would be an insane achievement with a roster which second best player is either Spencer Dinwiddie or Jalen Brunson.

Luka is doing what Embiid, Jokic and Tatum are doing, but with a significantly worse roster.

If Mavs get 3rd then there's no debate, Luka is the MVP.

Dumb ****in post.

[John_Connor]

luka is basically 94 Hakeem right now. but instead of defense he substitutes it with playmaking. if he was more consistent from the free throw line he would be league mvp easily

[RRR3]

Nba watching white supremacists are so stupid they can’t even pick the better white guy to stan :lol

Average IQ of white supremacists is like 25 tops. “Master race” lmaoooo

[ArbitraryWater]

its him or jokic


he is indeed crimincally underrated right now


never got proper mvp talk which he should have

[ShawkFactory]

Jokic definitely has a worse squad.

[RRR3]

Jokic definitely has a worse squad.
He’s also a far better player. Luka literally isn’t even in the same tier this is a ridiculous thread.

[ShawkFactory]

its him or jokic


he is indeed crimincally underrated right now


never got proper mvp talk which he should have

He has literally no case whatsoever over Giannis.

[ArbitraryWater]

He’s also a far better player. Luka literally isn’t even in the same tier this is a ridiculous thread.

You are going full retard

[RRR3]

D-duh-uhhhh-uhhh!
Find an advanced stat that places Luka anywhere near Jokic you dumbass stan

[plowking]

Yeah, it's remarkable what he's able to do, with what little he has

Bizarre you're a Doncic fan considering his game style is James Harden... lol

[FultzNationRISE]

Bizarre you're a Doncic fan considering his game style is James Harden... lol

Play style is very similar, but heart/mentality is polar opposite.

Luka fights tooth and nail when the chips are down, Harden packs it in and heads for the strip club.

[tontoz]

Luka came into the season fat and wasn't that good early in the season so he really has no shot. He has been great the last two months though.

I think his shot selection needs to improve to win a MVP. In the future. Every time I watch him he takes some shots early in the clock that make me cringe.

[90sgoat]

Bizarre you're a Doncic fan considering his game style is James Harden... lol

His game style is not James Harden, it's more of a taller Chris Paul now, with a stepback.

[j3lademaster]

Jokic is also setting a record bpm https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/bpm_season.html

The Nuggets are 2-5 without him and the teams stats are night and day. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nuggets-record-with-and-without-jokic-2022

Meanwhile Mavericks are 8-9 without Doncic. Jokic has had a far worse squad this year.

[90sgoat]

Jokic has had a far worse squad this year.

Really?

Aaron Gordon is better than Powell for sure. If Gordon played with Luka he would look like the second coming of peak Blake Griffin.

Will Barton or Dorian Finney Smith? I'll go with Barton.

Monte Morris or Jalen Brunson? It's a wash.

They're similar poor rosters.

[ArbitraryWater]

Find an advanced stat that places Luka anywhere near Jokic you dumbass stan

:roll:

[90sgoat]

:roll:

****ing nerds man

ahahaha

[SouBeachTalents]

Yeah bro, nOt cLoSe with Jokic, Giannis & Embiid :lol

[TheGoatest]

He's bounced back nicely from his poor start to the season. But overall, he will be lucky to make the all-NBA 1st team, and the only reason he might do so is because he is listed as a G and not a F.

[RRR3]

:roll:
Yep that’s what I thought.

[RRR3]

Bizarre you're a Doncic fan considering his game style is James Harden... lol
He’s racist.

[ShawkFactory]

Really?

Aaron Gordon is better than Powell for sure. If Gordon played with Luka he would look like the second coming of peak Blake Griffin.

Will Barton or Dorian Finney Smith? I'll go with Barton.

Monte Morris or Jalen Brunson? It's a wash.

They're similar poor rosters.

How?

[90sgoat]

How?

It would literally be Lob City 2.0.

Have you seen how good Luka makes Powell look?

[ShawkFactory]

It would literally be Lob City 2.0.

Have you seen how good Luka makes Powell look?

Jokic is one of the best passers in the league.

[RRR3]

Comparing Jalen Brunson to Monte Morris lmfao. 90sretard

[90sgoat]

Comparing Jalen Brunson to Monte Morris lmfao. 90sretard

Brunson is good, but he's short and not a good creator/passer. Also a liability on defense and have until now faltered in the playoffs.

I don't see him ever being a more than third option on a decent team.

[90sgoat]

Giannis sit down.

[FultzNationRISE]

He’s definitely had a great final half of the season.

Hes not quite gonna make the final cut for the award, but he’s clearly a top 5 guy by impact along with Lebron and a few others.

[k0kakw0rld]

I have to agree here.

[90sgoat]

He’s definitely had a great final half of the season.

Hes not quite gonna make the final cut for the award, but he’s clearly a top 5 guy by impact along with Lebron and a few others.

Why is it important who keeps up the best play over the entire season?

Do they give player of the game to the best player over 4 quarters?

Mavs are about to have the 3rd best record in the NBA, just beat Giannis, with not a single other player that will ever be an all-star.

Ok, you can make a claim for Jokic, you could make case for Giannis until tonight. You can not make a case for Embiid playing with Harden, Harris, etc or KD with Kyrie etc.

Jokic or Luka.

Give it to Luka, accept there is a new King.

Don't be petty.

[90sgoat]

I have to agree here.

:cheers:

[FultzNationRISE]

Why is it important who keeps up the best play over the entire season?

Do they give player of the game to the best player over 4 quarters?

Mavs are about to have the 3rd best record in the NBA, just beat Giannis, with not a single other player that will ever be an all-star.

Ok, you can make a claim for Jokic, you could make case for Giannis until tonight. You can not make a case for Embiid playing with Harden, Harris, etc or KD with Kyrie etc.

Jokic or Luka.

Give it to Luka, accept there is a new King.

Don't be petty.


It’s obviously all very subjective, and comes down to fairly frivolous things players cant even control, like who has the “worst supporting cast” and such.

Basically every player in the MVP race has a similar team record. Of them, I think Jokic’s supporting cast is the clear cut weakest. He also happens to be putting up historic advanced metrics.

To me, he’s the most deserving. But I think Luka has joined that second tier with Embiid and Giannis. And ofc Durant would be there as well if he’d played a few more games. You can make reasonable arguments for any of them.

To me the only guy with clear cut arguments for being above the rest right now is Joker.

[90sgoat]

To me the only guy with clear cut arguments for being above the rest right now is Joker.

I feel like Embiid is playing himself out of consideration and then Giannis played himself in, but got played out tonight, so that leaves .. Jokic.

[FultzNationRISE]

I feel like Embiid is playing himself out of consideration and then Giannis played himself in, but got played out tonight, so that leaves .. Jokic.


Yeah but it’s not a race to see who can have the last good game of the season on national television - or at least it isnt supposed to be.

It’s supposed to be a body of work over the whole season.

On that criterion I have Joker number one, Embiid/Giannis/Luka number 2, and Durant number three (due to missing more time than the rest).

[tontoz]

Jokic TS 66.2%
Doncic TS 56.9%

That is a pretty big gap.

[2much_knowledge]

This race is so close that whoever wins it... there will be lots of feelings hurt. He is in the mix but to say not close is crazy talk. It is close af