Giannis should win MVP [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

theman93

03-31-2022, 10:25 PM

He has the individual statistics (30/12/6/1/2), team success (48-28 tied for 1st place in East), and "MVP moments" on the national stage with the season closing out (game winning block on Embiid earlier this week and game tying shot vs Brooklyn tonight).

AngelEyes

03-31-2022, 10:29 PM

No question about it, Giannis the best player in the league and the MVP.

post

03-31-2022, 10:32 PM

anybody but the white guy

https://c.tenor.com/9rrVMip3xAYAAAAM/messi-laughing.gif

RogueBorg

03-31-2022, 10:35 PM

He has the individual statistics (30/12/6/1/2), team success (48-28 tied for 1st place in East), and "MVP moments" on the national stage with the season closing out (game winning block on Embiid last week and game tying shot vs Brooklyn tonight).

After tonight's game, I think he's taken the lead.

BigShotBob

03-31-2022, 10:38 PM

Yea it's official. He's the best player in the world.

ArbitraryWater

03-31-2022, 10:41 PM

Jokic is the MVP.

Its too late for Giannis.

You need to catch the momentum earlier.

Kawhi_Why_Not

03-31-2022, 10:44 PM

theman93

03-31-2022, 10:45 PM

Jokic is the MVP.

Its too late for Giannis.

You need to catch the momentum earlier.

What more momentum has Jokic picked up than Giannis?

iamgine

03-31-2022, 10:46 PM

Jokic should.

But if we reallllly only want to give it to a player on the top 2 teams record, then Giannis is the obvious choice.

AlternativeAcc.

03-31-2022, 10:46 PM

Embitch can't even come in 2nd :roll:

AlternativeAcc.

03-31-2022, 10:48 PM

What more momentum has Jokic picked up than Giannis?

He's been higher than Giannis all year

And Jokic is playing just as well as Giannis lately... so Giannis isn't making up enough ground, if any

He made up ground on embiid though and surpassed him.

imdaman99

03-31-2022, 10:48 PM

I got Jokic but this run to end the season by Giannis is some legendary shit

SouBeachTalents

03-31-2022, 10:49 PM

I know Giannis is coming b2b monster games, but for FWIW Jokic's averaging 31/13/8 on 72% over his last 5 games.

AlternativeAcc.

03-31-2022, 10:50 PM

I know Giannis is coming b2b monster games, but for FWIW Jokic's averaging 31/13/8 on 72% over his last 5 games.

:applause:

Jokic outshining peak Giannis and stealing another MVP from him. Legendary.

RRR3

03-31-2022, 10:50 PM

It's Jokic, Gianny is helpless without the refs.

John_Connor

03-31-2022, 10:57 PM

giannis is definitely making a late charge. everyone else but luka is choking or not winning enough

luka has no shot cause he was "fat" for a month.. even though he was still really good. since then he's been all time great

theman93

03-31-2022, 11:01 PM

I know Giannis is coming b2b monster games, but for FWIW Jokic's averaging 31/13/8 on 72% over his last 5 games.

That's true, but Giannis is also averaging 35/13/5 on 62% over his last 5 games.

I believe the MVP voters will look at Giannis' team success and clutch performances on the national stage to close out the season and give him the edge.

BigShotBob

03-31-2022, 11:06 PM

That's true, but Giannis is also averaging 35/13/5 on 62% over his last 5 games.

I believe the MVP voters will look at Giannis' team success and clutch performances on the national stage to close out the season and give him the edge.

And add a little thing called defense and it's not even close

theman93

03-31-2022, 11:09 PM

And add a little thing called defense and it's not even close

Yep. The defensive side of the ball is so largely ignored because it's hard to measure with box scores. Shame really.

SouBeachTalents

03-31-2022, 11:12 PM

And add a little thing called defense and it's not even close
Not even close? That's fcking stupid :lol

BigShotBob

03-31-2022, 11:14 PM

Not even close? That's fcking stupid :lol

Jokic is not a comparable defender to Giannis.....at all. Or as clutch as a defender (because defense can be clutch too) or as tenacious as a defender either.

Sorry.

SouBeachTalents

03-31-2022, 11:15 PM

Jokic is not a comparable defender to Giannis.....at all. Or as clutch as a defender (because defense can be clutch too) or as tenacious as a defender either.

Sorry.
As a defender? Sure. As an MVP candidate? Ridiculous. They both have excellent cases.

Jasper

03-31-2022, 11:23 PM

Jokic is the MVP.

Its too late for Giannis.

You need to catch the momentum earlier.

what's his team in like 6th place ...

Jasper

03-31-2022, 11:28 PM

I know Giannis is coming b2b monster games, but for FWIW Jokic's averaging 31/13/8 on 72% over his last 5 games.

6-4 record last 10 games in 5th place now

bucks 1/2 game back in 2nd place with a 7-3 record last 10 games .

don't tell me voting isn't based on what a play has done to help his team record.

Otherwise you might as well put Bron in the conversation with his 24 per .:oldlol:

plowking

03-31-2022, 11:37 PM

They're the two best players in the league. Giannis and Jokic.

The fact people were putting Durant and Embiid in the conversation is baffling to me.

But I guess people don't want to give the two European prospects love.

plowking

03-31-2022, 11:38 PM

Jokic is not a comparable defender to Giannis.....at all. Or as clutch as a defender (because defense can be clutch too) or as tenacious as a defender either.

Sorry.

Jokic is one of the most clutch defenders in the league. He always seems to have game winning steals or blocks.

theman93

03-31-2022, 11:40 PM

He's been higher than Giannis all year

And Jokic is playing just as well as Giannis lately... so Giannis isn't making up enough ground, if any

He made up ground on embiid though and surpassed him.

Embiid's also been higher than Giannis all year. Whatever ground Giannis needed to make up on Jokic he has done this week with his games against Philly and Brooklyn. Not to mention the gap between Giannis and Jokic offensively is much smaller than the gap between them defensively.

theman93

03-31-2022, 11:42 PM

Jokic is one of the most clutch defenders in the league. He always seems to have game winning steals or blocks.

Let's not pretend Jokic is anywhere close to Giannis in any category as a defender though. It's night and day.

AlternativeAcc.

03-31-2022, 11:48 PM

Embiid's also been higher than Giannis all year. Whatever ground Giannis needed to make up on Jokic he has done this week with his games against Philly and Brooklyn. Not to mention the gap between Giannis and Jokic offensively is much smaller than the gap between them defensively.

Don't cry when he doesn't win MVP.

I'm just telling you how it's gonna play out. Nets are barely a playoff team, but cool if you think that puts him ahead of Jokic :oldlol:

theman93

03-31-2022, 11:55 PM

Don't cry when he doesn't win MVP.

I'm just telling you how it's gonna play out. Nets are barely a playoff team, but cool if you think that puts him ahead of Jokic :oldlol:

I'm not predicting what will happen, I'm simply giving my opinion lol. I think those who follow basketball understand the Nets are better than their record indicates. Not to mention only 6 games separate the Nuggets and "barely playoff team" Nets. :lol

AlternativeAcc.

03-31-2022, 11:57 PM

I'm not predicting what will happen, I'm simply giving my opinion lol. I think those who follow basketball understand the Nets are better than their record indicates. Not to mention only 6 games separate the Nuggets and "barely playoff team" Nets. :lol

How many games separate the stacked Bucks and the Nuggets without Murray and MPJ :lol

Case closed.

theman93

04-01-2022, 12:08 AM

How many games separate the stacked Bucks and the Nuggets without Murray and MPJ :lol

Case closed.

Stacked? Milwaukee has been without Lopez all year and Giannis, Middleton and Jrue have all missed between 13-17 games each. Not to mention the East is significantly stronger than the West. It all balances out.

AlternativeAcc.

04-01-2022, 12:38 AM

Stacked? Milwaukee has been without Lopez all year and Giannis, Middleton and Jrue have all missed between 13-17 games each. Not to mention the East is significantly stronger than the West. It all balances out.

The Nuggets and Bucks have nearly identical records against the opposing conference this year. The Nuggets actually have a better record against the East than they do the West...

And you bring up another good point... Giannis has missed several more games than Jokic

You're making the case for me.

Jokic is your 2022 NBA MVP.

ImKobe

04-01-2022, 02:54 AM

It's a close race but right now Jokic has played more games and has had less help so Giannis has to keep stringing these huge games together while Jokic has to have some bad ones to really make it a conversation.

Post-ASB, Giannis is averaging 32/13/5 1.3 stl 1.7 blk 56.9%FG but Jokic has been right on par with 28/13/8 1.7 stl 1.2 blk 61.1%FG averages & the Nuggets have only lost 2 more games than the Bucks in this stretch and Jokic hasn't missed any games either while Giannis missed 2. Giannis IMO is the best all-around player in the league right now but it's kinda hard to argue against Jokic at this point because the missed games and the supporting cast matter in the MVP voting.

theman93

04-01-2022, 09:44 AM

The Nuggets and Bucks have nearly identical records against the opposing conference this year. The Nuggets actually have a better record against the East than they do the West...

And you bring up another good point... Giannis has missed several more games than Jokic

You're making the case for me.

Jokic is your 2022 NBA MVP.

And Milwaukee has a significantly better record vs the East than Denver has vs West. How much further ahead of Denver would Milwaukee be if they had the luxury of playing in the weak West?

There’s been plenty of instances where an MVP has missed a chunk of games, so that’s not too much of a factor for me.

I ultimately believe Jokic will win it (which I even made a thread predicting so), I’m just of the opinion Giannis should win it.

StrongLurk

04-01-2022, 10:07 AM

I still think Jokic deserves it. He definitely has less help than Giannis yet the Nugs only have two less wins than the Bucks.

Giannis is a monster though, no doubt about it. He is Jokic are the two best players in the league so far this year.

Winning that first chip can really take a player to the next level and Giannis has got that championship swagger which I think has helped his jump shot a lot.

RogueBorg

04-01-2022, 10:24 AM

Don't cry when he doesn't win MVP.

I'm just telling you how it's gonna play out. Nets are barely a playoff team, but cool if you think that puts him ahead of Jokic :oldlol:

The Nets? Giannis doesn't play with the Nets. Are you sharing your lone brain cell with a pencil sharpener?

tontoz

04-01-2022, 10:30 AM

6-4 record last 10 games in 5th place now

bucks 1/2 game back in 2nd place with a 7-3 record last 10 games .

don't tell me voting isn't based on what a play has done to help his team record.

Otherwise you might as well put Bron in the conversation with his 24 per .:oldlol:

I like Giannis and think he has a chance to win but let's not pretend that Giannis has gone 7-3 without Middleton and Holiday. Jokic has played the entire season without his 2nd and 3rd best players.

The Bucks have 2 more wins than Denver on the season.

tpols

04-01-2022, 10:37 AM

I can't believe he made that 3 last night. I understand its Giannis and he isn't a great shooter, but if the Nets closed out hard and ran him off the line and even let him have a dunk they would have won. They were up 3 with 8 seconds left. You have to run the guy off the line at that point even if he's not a good shooter. This is why Nash isn't going to be a great coach. He doesn't know DEFENSE. and simple end game defensive strategy. You have to run guys off the line in this context. Give them a free 2. With such little time left turning it into a FT game will notch the win.

I hate to say it but Durant just can't hang with Giannis physically. He gets bullied. There s no way that guy isn't on some serious designer steroids, absolutely juiced to the gills.

AlternativeAcc.

04-01-2022, 11:07 AM

And Milwaukee has a significantly better record vs the East than Denver has vs West. How much further ahead of Denver would Milwaukee be if they had the luxury of playing in the weak West?

There’s been plenty of instances where an MVP has missed a chunk of games, so that’s not too much of a factor for me.

I ultimately believe Jokic will win it (which I even made a thread predicting so), I’m just of the opinion Giannis should win it.
So both Bucks and Nuggets have better record against the East is your argument for why the west is weak. :oldlol:

You're not very bright

theman93

04-01-2022, 11:20 AM

So both Bucks and Nuggets have better record against the East is your argument for why the west is weak. :oldlol:

You're not very bright

:facepalm

No, the Bucks have a significantly better record against their own conference, which is stronger, than Denver does against their conference, which is weaker.

Talk about not being very bright LOL :lol

AlternativeAcc.

04-01-2022, 11:23 AM

:facepalm

No, the Bucks have a significantly better record against their own conference, which is stronger, than Denver does against their conference, which is weaker.

Talk about not being very bright LOL :lol

If the west is weaker than why do the bucks and nuggets have a better record against the east? That's the point dipshit,, you saying one conference is better doesn't make it true.

And post the percentages. I don't think you even know what the word significant means :lol

theman93

04-01-2022, 12:31 PM

If the west is weaker than why do the bucks and nuggets have a better record against the east?
Uhh no they don't idiot :lol. Milwaukee has a better record against the West.

That's the point dipshit,, you saying one conference is better doesn't make it true.
Everyone knows the East is the stronger conference this year (besides you it seems). Every team in the East vying for playoff positioning is atleast 3 games over .500. Meanwhile the West has 4 teams atleast 3 games under .500 vying for playoff positioning. The East is way deeper and it's not even close which means Milwaukee plays better teams on a more consistent basis.

And post the percentages. I don't think you even know what the word significant means :lol
Milwaukee's win % vs it's conference is 62.5% while Denver's win % vs it's conference is 57.4%. That's a similar gap between Philly and Cleveland and I'd argue Philly is significantly better than Cleveland tbh.

Not to mention Milwaukee's win % vs the West is 64.2% which blows Denver's win % vs the West of 57.4% out of the water.

1987_Lakers

04-01-2022, 12:41 PM

You can make an argument for Giannis, but Jokic has done more with less.

Bucks have their worst win% since 2018, they have been inconsistent, I know they have dealt with injuries, but Jrue Holiday and Middleton have been pretty healthy the whole year, Jokic's supporting cast is obviously a tier below and they are only 2 games behind the Bucks. Jokic is the MVP imo.

SouBeachTalents

04-01-2022, 12:51 PM

The Nets? Giannis doesn't play with the Nets. Are you sharing your lone brain cell with a pencil sharpener?
The irony of this post :lol

Yeah bro, he meant Giannis plays for the Nets, NOT that he beat them last night.

tontoz

04-01-2022, 01:02 PM

The irony of this post :lol

Yeah bro, he meant Giannis plays for the Nets, NOT that he beat them last night.

The Cringe is strong with RogueBorg :lol

Vragrant

04-01-2022, 02:42 PM

Muscles like hes Tarzan. Speed like he's carl lewis.

I still don't know how the hell kawhi back door swept him and shut him down with his only back up being a 300 pound washed up fatass marc gasol

I think finals mvp is all that Giannis cares about these days though

He pretty much came out and said that a couple of days ago when questioned about the MVP race. He said he's already won a couple so he's fine, but bringing another championship to the Bucks and the city is what really motivates him.

AlternativeAcc.

04-01-2022, 03:01 PM

Milwaukee's win % vs it's conference is 62.5% while Denver's win % vs it's conference is 57.4%. That's a similar gap between Philly and Cleveland and I'd argue Philly is significantly better than Cleveland tbh.

Not to mention Milwaukee's win % vs the West is 64.2% which blows Denver's win % vs the West of 57.4% out of the water.
So Nuggets have a better record vs. The East than the Bucks...

And you realize we're talking the difference of about 2-3 games overall right?

The same argument you're making for the Bucks can be made for the Nuggets. They both have better winning%s in the opposite conference

You're not gaining any traction whatsoever with this argument. :oldlol:

Jokic carries a significantly worse roster to almost the same record as the Bucks, within about 2 games. :oldlol:

post

04-01-2022, 03:57 PM

denver has been more injured

the top 7 teams in the west are better than the top 7 teams in the east but the east has more depth

let's assume all this evens out

from a roster perspective holiday and middleton are clearly better than whoever you want to say denver's 2nd and 3rd best players are this year

from a depth perspective bucks have more

the bucks should win more games and they have

jokic has the better advanced stats on basically any site you look at...if you don't like the word advanced just call it seasonal plus minus

j3lademaster

04-01-2022, 04:23 PM

If it were me, I'm voting for Jokic; but Giannis winning isn't exactly the end of the world.

I'm cool with Booker too. He's not up there with Giannis and Joker as an individual player, but it'd be consistent with the whole 'best player on the best team' narrative.

SouBeachTalents

04-01-2022, 04:42 PM