Is there any other player who has won with 3 different teams as a first option?

[Nb1]

Did anyone else than Lebron managed to do this insane task?
Durant just tried with Kyrie and Harden to win with a second different team and miserably failed and i can’t think of anyone else. Lebron carried 3 different G league teams to titles which weren’t even in the playoff picture before he came. Still don’t know how he was able to carry the Lakers to a title, a team that had the worst record combined the last 5 years before he came. If Lebron is the only one he clearly is the GOAT.

[Spurs m8]

Running away when you can't win with your current team - and have already shipped off all their picks and assets...to restart and do it again, with 1b&c help and cherry picked role players...isn't impressive

Even worse when you've LOST 6 finals, with stacked help (playing in weak Conference...confirmed by getting annihilated - more often than not - when facing a real team)

Including 2 sweeps.
2 gentleman's sweeps....
AND 2011
It's downright embarrassing

Nice try though...little b1tch

[ImKobe]

Why is it more impressive to win by colluding on 3 different teams than staying with 1 franchise and basically the same core (same co-star, same HC) your entire career & being more successful? Isn't it hard to keep winning on a consistent basis with the same supporting cast that's aging? So would MJ get more credit if he jumped ship and teamed up with Hakeem in the mid-90s and then Shaq or Duncan in the late 90s? Because that's what Bran did & he won less rings.

[Axe]

Why is it more impressive to win by colluding on 3 different teams than staying with 1 franchise and basically the same core (same co-star, same HC) your entire career & being more successful? Isn't it hard to keep winning on a consistent basis with the same supporting cast that's aging? So would MJ get more credit if he jumped ship and teamed up with Hakeem in the mid-90s and then Shaq or Duncan in the late 90s? Because that's what Bran did & he won less rings.
Kobe never won a ring for a team that actually drafted him. Just saying.

[ImKobe]

Kobe never won a ring for a team that actually drafted him. Just saying.

But Kobe also stayed with 1 franchise his entire career & played through the dog years when he could have jumped ship after Shaq left to win more rings in his prime, and he didn't & wasted his peak and still won more rings than Bran.

[TheGoatest]

4 chips/FMVPs
3 teams/coaches
2 conferences
1 GOAT

:applause:

[Manny98]

Winning with just the team you were drafted by is WAY more impressive

[TheGoatest]

But Kobe also stayed with 1 franchise his entire career & played through the dog years when he could have jumped ship after Shaq left to win more rings in his prime

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?page=kobetranscript

:roll:

Doing your time like a man and waiting out to finishing your sentence > opening your mouth in order to have your sentence cut short :pimp:

[ImKobe]

4 chips/FMVPs
3 teams/coaches
2 conferences
1 GOAT

:applause:

You got the last part right, MJ is the 1 GOAT and Bran did everything in his power to catch up but failed.

Giannis has a much better chance at catching Jordan.

[TheGoatest]

You got the last part right, MJ is the 1 GOAT and Bran did everything in his power to catch up but failed.

Giannis has a much better chance at catching Jordan.

Ironically, YOU got the last part right. :roll: Giannis has a chance at catching jordon, all right. But 0% chance of catching LeBron.

[John_Connor]

anyone can do what lebron did


kobe comes into the nba and wins in 2000 with shaq.

he joins sanantonio for 4 years and wins with duncan in 2001, 2002, 2003

he joins the suns in 2004-05 and wins in 2005, 2006, 2007 and leaves again after 4 years

he joins the celtics in 2008-09 and wins in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012

then finally he joins the spurs for the second time and wins in 2013 and 2014 then retires


all total kobe colludes with 6 superstars in their prime ( same as lebron )


13 championships from "player empowerment" and "calling his own shots"


https://media2.giphy.com/media/zCwb3PyTQcbbG/giphy.gif

[Nb1]

So, no one else other than Lebron?Everyone else stayed in their cozy bubble and couldn't do it elsewhere?

Lebron took the worst Cleveland team ever and made them champs, took a crap Miami team and made them champs, took the worst lakers team in history and made them champs. Basically won a championship everywhere he went and took that big challenge of not staying in an easy cozy bubble.

This solidifies Lebron as the clear GOAT even more.He won with every different team he played for, what a LEGEND!

[3ba11]

Why is it more impressive to win by colluding on 3 different teams than staying with 1 franchise and basically the same core (same co-star, same HC) your entire career & being more successful? Isn't it hard to keep winning on a consistent basis with the same supporting cast that's aging? So would MJ get more credit if he jumped ship and teamed up with Hakeem in the mid-90s and then Shaq or Duncan in the late 90s? Because that's what Bran did & he won less rings.


AD led the Lakers in scoring for the 2020 regular season and playoffs (carried Lakers to Finals), so Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer.

Furthermore, Lebron refreshed his cast every 4 years with the hottest young studs in the league and therefore avoided having to win with aging stars like Jordan did from 96-98'..

Pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs including 2 Finals of 15.7 ppg on 40%.. Surely Jordan would've won easier by teaming up with Payton/Kemp (who ragdolled Pippen in the Finals)

Ultimately, Lebron is a talent-based winner (all-star team strategy) that never learned to win (developing the best brand of ball), as required of all organic winners.

[ShawkFactory]

AD led the Lakers in scoring for the 2020 regular season and playoffs (carried Lakers to Finals), so Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer.

Furthermore, Lebron refreshed his cast every 4 years with the hottest young studs in the league and therefore avoided having to win with aging stars like Jordan did from 96-98'..

Pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs including 2 Finals of 15.7 ppg on 40%.. Surely Jordan would've won easier by teaming up with Payton/Kemp (who ragdolled Pippen in the Finals)

Ultimately, Lebron is a talent-based winner (all-star team strategy) that never learned to win (developing the best brand of ball), as required of all organic winners.

He carried the Lakers?

Be careful :lol

[3ba11]

He carried the Lakers?

Be careful :lol


He led the Lakers in scoring and dominated Jokic with elite stats/domination

Show me where Pippen got within 10 ppg of MJ in a series or playoff run, or achieved elite ppg, rpg or apg in any series.

There's no comparison - Lebron had far more help, including equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention - so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention like MJ always did

Only Lebron has help like that (juggernaut sidekicks that outplay MVP's like Kyrie, AD or Wade)

[RRR3]

Winning with just the team you were drafted by is WAY more impressive
That rules your hero out :lol

[ShawkFactory]

He led the Lakers in scoring and dominated Jokic with elite stats/domination

Show me where Pippen got within 10 ppg of MJ in a series or playoff run, or achieved elite ppg, rpg or apg in any series.

There's no comparison - Lebron had far more help, including equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention - so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention like MJ always did

Only Lebron has help like that (juggernaut sidekicks that outplay MVP's like Kyrie, AD or Wade)

Well if that's the bar for carrying, and teammates don't matter, then....

I'll let you figure the rest out. You'd made multiple threads about how a certain player hasn't carried a team ever though. My hint shouldn't give it away.

[3ba11]

Well if that's the bar for carrying, and teammates don't matter, then....

I'll let you figure the rest out. You'd made multiple threads about how a certain player hasn't carried a team ever though. My hint shouldn't give it away.


Maybe I shoulld've said that AD "led" the Lakers instead of "carrying" but you still misunderstand...

Lebron never carried a team to a title because he had equal-scoring partners (16' and 20'), or he had a super-team (12' & 13') and near-equal scoring partners.. So he never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load).

So he doesn't compare to Jordan, who always defeated maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load)

[ShawkFactory]

Maybe I shoulld've said that AD "led" the Lakers instead of "carrying" but you still misunderstand...


You've admitted to misspeaking but then say I don't understand :lol

That's on you.

[3ba11]

You've admitted to misspeaking but then say I don't understand :lol

That's on you.


Lebron's high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams and he lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load).

Lebron never carried a team to a title because he had equal-scoring partners (16' and 20'), or he had a super-team (12' & 13') and near-equal scoring partners..

So he never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load) and therefore doesn't compare to Jordan, who always did.

[tpols]

lmao... You don't get extra credit for team hopping with MVP talents and colluded super teams. Dirks one true hard fought ring is worth more than LeBron and Durants combined.

[AlternativeAcc.]

lmao... You don't get extra credit for team hopping with MVP talents and colluded super teams. Dirks one true hard fought ring is worth more than LeBron and Durants combined.

Nah, it's about play. Basing rings off narrative and optics is a silly and lazy way to evaluate things. Wade wasn't an MVP talent when they won, he was injured and carried. Kyrie is a career loser without LeBron, and one of the biggest headcases ever. LA traded their entire core for AD who never won anything, and LeBron turned him into a champion in year 1.


I know the context hurts. Which is why you guys hide behind silly narratives and lazy casual fan thinking. It's embarrassing.

[Spurs m8]

LeBarry as first option on Lakers is literally a lottery team...always has been

[2much_knowledge]

No cause most of the top 15 legends tipically are more loyal

[Nb1]

Seems that no one else has done it. Well, there you have it folks, Lebron is the undisputable GOAT. Took on 3 different teams and won. Unpecedented. Won with every team he has played. What a legend! Others stayed in their comfort bubble and couldn't even do it and some tried somewhere else but failed miserably because it's hard to change everything, where you live, teammates, coach. But Lebron somehow was able to do it when no one else could! There isn't even a debate anymore about who the GOAT is. There's only 1 guy sitting on the table and that's Lebron.

[Axe]

Seems that no one else has done it. Well, there you have it folks, Lebron is the undisputable GOAT. Took on 3 different teams and won. Unpecedented. Won with every team he has played. What a legend! Others stayed in their comfort bubble and couldn't even do it and some tried somewhere else but failed miserably because it's hard to change everything, where you live, teammates, coach. But Lebron somehow was able to do it when no one else could! There isn't even a debate anymore about who the GOAT is. There's only 1 guy sitting on the table and that's Lebron.
That's decent but it doesn't change the fact that he still got swept in the finals twice too.

[Elosha]

That's decent but it doesn't change the fact that he still got swept in the finals twice too.

Not only that, but his teams got routinely destroyed in the other four Final losses, such as a loss to the 2014 Spurs, which was of historic proportions. Most games in that series Spurs were wiping the Heat out, and LeBron would stat pad down by 20+. Not to mention LeBron's embarrassing Finals performance in 2011.

Anyway, outside of the 2020 bubble aberration, LeBron has performed miserably in the Western Conference, putting up misleading stats, playing almost no defense, and giving up on plays routinely throughout the season. For most of the four years he has been there, the Lakers have been completely demoralized and his attitude and lack of leadership bear a large responsibility for that.

Small wonder why the Lakers struggle to ever have any success unless AD is playing at full capacity and covering up LeBron's and the rest of the Lakers' defensive deficiencies.