After a big night for Jokic, Sixers losing, & Miami clinching #1 seed over Bucks...

[1987_Lakers]

Is Jokic now the obvious MVP?

[1_BAD_TIGER]

He's been the obvious MVP for weeks.

[AlternativeAcc.]

It's a wrap. Joker has had a top 5 all-time regular season. Maybe the best in modern history.

The better question is whose number 2

Maybe Embiids crying will garner him sympathy from the media and he'll finish 2nd... although Giannis has been the better player and should be 2nd.

[Sulico]

Luka is my MVP.

50 wins with who as his second best player? 5'10 Jalen Brunson? Spencer Dimwittie?

[post]

jokic more vorp than unanimous mvp 16 curry

[RRR3]

Luka is my MVP.

50 wins with who as his second best player? 5'10 Jalen Brunson? Spencer Dimwittie?
The Mavericks literally play better when he’s on the bench lmfaoo. This is Jokic hands down.

[ImKobe]

The Mavericks literally play better when he’s on the bench lmfaoo. This is Jokic hands down.

Mavs are 8 - 9 without Doncic and 42 - 21 when he plays.

[Stephonit]

Mavs are 8 - 9 without Doncic and 42 - 21 when he plays.


By my count Warriors are 6-10 without Curry and 45-19 when he plays.

[hold this L]

He's been the clear cut MVP. Missing 2 of his best teammates for the season and has a similar record to the 2 MVP candidates.

[SouBeachTalents]

He's been the clear cut MVP. Missing 2 of his best teammates for the season and has a similar record to the 2 MVP candidates.
I've seen some idiots try to claim "he's only the 6 seed!" to try justify him not winning MVP, but considering he'll only finish with 1-2 less wins than Giannis & Embiid with a far worse supporting cast, he's the clear cut MVP to me at this point. I'd give Luka stronger consideration had he not missed so many games.

[tontoz]

The grizzlies have been crushing it lately. I'm surprised Denver was able to beat them.

Yeah Jokic has been my pick for MVP for awhile and last night certainly helped his case.

[FultzNationRISE]

It's definitely Yoke's again this year.

The bigger question is can the Nuggets get their other key guys back healthy, and if so... how far can this team go??

[Cyrus334]

It's not even debatable anymore. Embiid had his chances to show out against these lower teams and failed to do so.

[FultzNationRISE]

It's not even debatable anymore. Embiid had his chances to show out against these lower teams and failed to do so.


That’s obviously overstating things quite a bit.

He’s continued to play well (at least by the numbers, I havent seen the games recently but it’s fair to assume).

He’s having a great season and is a clear cut top 3 player in the league. Jokic is just having a historic season and is pretty obviously the best basketball player on the planet right now after Lebron James. It’s really nothing for Embiid to feel disappointed about. He still had an elite season.

[tpols]

Is Jokic better than Larry Bird at this point? Bird never produced on this efficiency. I think Jokic is the better scorer and passer.

[FultzNationRISE]

Is Jokic better than Larry Bird at this point? Bird never produced on this efficiency. I think Jokic is the better scorer and passer.

I think he has to be.

People who like to maintain an idealized and immutable Top 10 will lean on team accomplishments very heavily to resist the change. But theres very little Bird could do that Jokic cant - while Yoke’s extra size gives him an inherent advantage offensively and defensively. Even on the fast break he’s surprisingly mobile.

Bird obviously has a ton of “legacy moments” on the big stage that people remember. And who knows how many of those Jokic will get. But in terms of overall impact? I dont really see Larry’s argument anymore. Which is no discredit to him, it’s fully a testament to Joker.

[tpols]

I think he has to be.

People who like to maintain an idealized and immutable Top 10 will lean on team accomplishments very heavily to resist the change. But theres very little Bird could do that Jokic cant - meanwhile Yoke is 7 feet tall and has more impact in the paint offensively and defensively.

Hes basically a taller, stronger Bird without losing anything. Even on the fast break he’s surprisingly mobile.

Bird obviously has a ton of “legacy moments” on the big stage that people remember. And who knows how many of those Jokic will get. But in terms of overall impact? I dont really see Larry’s argument anymore. Which is no discredit to him, it’s fully a testament to Joker.

Yoke. :roll: like a combination of yolk and woke. That's what I will be calling him from now on.

[FultzNationRISE]

Yoke. :roll: like a combination of yolk and woke. That's what I will be calling him from now on.

Apparently it’s how his teammates refer to him, I heard Murray say it in an interview someone posted here. Which is natural since it’s just a shortening of his name’s pronunciation.

Of course if you type it, ‘Joke’ reads different than it sounds to native english speakers. Hence “Yoke” :lol

[Axe]

By my count Warriors are 6-10 without Curry and 45-19 when he plays.
So? What the hell does that supposed to mean? Lol.

[BigShotBob]

Is Jokic better than Larry Bird at this point? Bird never produced on this efficiency. I think Jokic is the better scorer and passer.

No different era. Jokic wouldn't be an MVP in Bird's era but Bird would be an MVP in this era.

[90sgoat]

The Mavericks literally play better when he’s on the bench lmfaoo. This is Jokic hands down.

Congratulations, now you're dumb and autistic enough to post on RealGM

[tpols]

No different era. Jokic wouldn't be an MVP in Bird's era but Bird would be an MVP in this era.

That sounds like nostalgia speaking man. And I'm a huge Larry Bird fan. Why would Jokic not succeed in the run and gun 80s? He's carrying a shit cast historically speaking to good seeds right now while producing out of this world.

I have to ask... what about his game do you think is untransferable? He's a GOAT shooting, passing, and post playing 7 footer. He's not a rim runner taking advantage of today's spacing and driving lanes. If he was that type id agree with you. But he's not.

You'll have to provide more of a justification to back your assertion my guy. Yoke is taller way heavier yet operating even smoother than prime Larry Bird. The only thing he lacks by comparison is that hillbilly bravado and trash talk. But eastern Europeans tend to be more quiet stoic types.

[Micku]

That sounds like nostalgia speaking man. And I'm a huge Larry Bird fan. Why would Jokic not succeed in the run and gun 80s? He's carrying a shit cast historically speaking to good seeds right now while producing out of this world.

I have to ask... what about his game do you think is untransferable? He's a GOAT shooting, passing, and post playing 7 footer. He's not a rim runner taking advantage of today's spacing and driving lanes. If he was that type id agree with you. But he's not.

You'll have to provide more of a justification to back your assertion my guy. Yoke is taller way heavier yet operating even smoother than prime Larry Bird. The only thing he lacks by comparison is that hillbilly bravado and trash talk. But eastern Europeans tend to be more quiet stoic types.

Naw. I would say Bird is a better shooter across the board. Jokic is better at the inside. But Jokic haven't had a 50/40/90 type of season just yet. He also don't have the agility, but he doesn't need to. Not that Bird was the most agile person. Other than that, their games are more similar than any Bird comparison in the history of the nba imo.

In terms of era, I think Bird would adjust very well in this era due to the small ball and the game is spread out to the 3pt line. And I think Jokic skill translate well to any era. And that passing ability is similar to Bird as well. You could argue that he might have trouble because the defense back in the 90s and 80s was more crowded in the paint and there were big guys guarding it, but Jokic is a big man too. Although Jokic said it was hard time when Ayton was guarding him. And back in the 80s and 90s, there were more guys like that around.

Bird and Jokic are almost the same player to me. There are some minor differences like Jokic attacking the inside, while Bird did attack the inside, especially if there is a mismatch, he sometimes come off of screens more and shoot. Jokic is just bigger while Bird is more agile. Bird is probably more injury prone tho. You could argue Jokic is more efficient due to his size, but this era is small ball too.

[BigShotBob]

That sounds like nostalgia speaking man. And I'm a huge Larry Bird fan. Why would Jokic not succeed in the run and gun 80s? He's carrying a shit cast historically speaking to good seeds right now while producing out of this world.

I have to ask... what about his game do you think is untransferable? He's a GOAT shooting, passing, and post playing 7 footer. He's not a rim runner taking advantage of today's spacing and driving lanes. If he was that type id agree with you. But he's not.

You'll have to provide more of a justification to back your assertion my guy. Yoke is taller way heavier yet operating even smoother than prime Larry Bird. The only thing he lacks by comparison is that hillbilly bravado and trash talk. But eastern Europeans tend to be more quiet stoic types.

If you dropped him on the 80's Nuggets they wouldn't make it past the first round. Even though he'd have great players like Alex English and Kiki Vanderweigh Jokic isn't a culture changer defensively and if you load up on him in the paint and negate his size advantage as best as you can you turn him into a passing/shooting outside big and he'd have some good to okay games getting hot but ultimately he's not going to win you anything playing that way.

He's not smoother than Prime Bird not sure you understand what you're saying. Bird was KD-like don't forget that he was closer to 6'10 and could shoot over anyone as well and was a sniper. Passing is comparable but Prime Bird was a mix of Luka, Jokic, KD but more clutch than the three of them.

And imagine being able to completely beat the dog shit out of Jokic the moment he tries to go up and put his back to you.....

He's tough but like I said different era there were far more deterrents. He's able to do whatever he wants now because there aren't any true bigs guarding him and you take away defensive 3 seconds so there isn't a body always lurking

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nobody has one of these

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until then jokic is

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