who should win mvp. seriously

[John_Connor]

its basically the end of the year

Booker - 63 wins, 27/5/5
Luka - 50 wins, 28/9/9
Giannis - 50 wins, 30/11/6
Embiid - 49 wins, 30/11/4
Jokic - 48 wins, 27/14/8



i dunno guys.. all time stats by the bottom 4 but 13-15 less wins?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htS2zKhTXvI&ab_channel=davidrd85

[1987_Lakers]

Jokic will win.

- The fact that he basically only has one less win than Giannis & Embiid despite playing with a worse cast all year says alot.

- Booker is just not a game changer to me, he plays on a stacked cast and is obviously a tier below the very best.

- Luka although amazing, was obviously worse than Jokic this year individually.

[John_Connor]

btw kobe in 2003

50 wins with 30/7/6

not enough wins though. duncan won mvp with 23/12/4 cause the spurs won 60 games

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iWDYFsch4Xw/UNe-yC2_ERI/AAAAAAAAAUg/tnGsooYqAlQ/s1600/kobe+and+td.png



remember how kobe had more 50 point games that year than duncan did his entire career

[1987_Lakers]

btw kobe in 2003

50 wins with 30/7/6

not enough wins though. duncan won mvp with 23/12/4 cause the spurs won 60 games

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iWDYFsch4Xw/UNe-yC2_ERI/AAAAAAAAAUg/tnGsooYqAlQ/s1600/kobe+and+td.png



remember how kobe had more 50 point games that year than duncan did his entire career

Kobe had Shaq most of the year, Duncan with less talent around him won more games and was obviously way better on defense.

[iamgine]

Very obviously Jokic for me. He's a level above the others.

[John_Connor]

Kobe had Shaq most of the year, Duncan with less talent around him won more games and was obviously way better on defense.

he did this mostly without shaq

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[John_Connor]

Very obviously Jokic for me. He's a level above the others.

is he really though. hes putting up all time great stats but so are 3 other guys. and lebron showed stats are drastically inflated


didnt like 10 guys have 50 point games one month

[1987_Lakers]

he did this mostly without shaq

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/28235664_1712031792197430_1782644086663806814_o.jp g?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=1nRwp0vt4uIAX_fzUWx&_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.xx&oh=00_AT_31OUgCq4qvhC041CkUlqBskNIAS7zg7DsHWA9FgIY hw&oe=6273DD81

Also went 5-10 without Shaq. Stop it.

[1987_Lakers]

is he really though. hes putting up all time great stats but so are 3 other guys. and lebron showed stats are drastically inflated


didnt like 10 guys have 50 point games one month

The only difference is he is carrying his team like Giannis & Embiid haven't all year.

[Sulico]

Doncic. He was off for the first couple of months, but then he carried his team like noone on this list.

[John_Connor]

Also went 5-10 without Shaq. Stop it.

all the losses came at the start of the year. kobe basically flipped the switch when he realized he couldn't depend on guys like samaki walker to do anything

[John_Connor]

The only difference is he is carrying his team like Giannis & Embiid haven't all year.

so you want the mvp to actually be about whos most valuable to their team. like kobe wasnt in 2006 and 2007


they win maybe 10 games without kobe. the suns and mavs win 40 without nash or dirk

[iamgine]

is he really though. hes putting up all time great stats but so are 3 other guys. and lebron showed stats are drastically inflated


didnt like 10 guys have 50 point games one month
It's about impact, not stats.

And no, there's no 3 other guys. Only Giannis is putting up ATG impact. While Jokic is putting up GOAT level impact.

The rest are below them.

[John_Connor]

It's about impact, not stats.

And no, there's no 3 other guys. Only Giannis is putting up ATG impact. While Jokic is putting up GOAT level impact.

The rest are below them.


i dunno i just think the nba is trash now and everyone can average 30/10/10 if they want


lebrons averaging 30/7/6 at age 37 and it had zero impact on his team

lukas a near 30/10/10 guy

embiids peak shaq right now stats wise

giannis is going off

a chubby white guy has the highest per ever

10 guys drop 50+ in a month

10-15 mvp candidates

derozans having a career year

ja morant looks like an mvp but hes teams better without him

booker is prime kobe?


just all looks fishy to me

[1987_Lakers]

so you want the mvp to actually be about whos most valuable to their team. like kobe wasnt in 2006 and 2007


they win maybe 10 games without kobe. the suns and mavs win 40 without nash or dirk

Kobe has no argument for MVP in 2007. Dirk won 15 more games than him and it's not like the Mavs were loaded with talent.

I can maybe see 2006 being a debate, but then again Nash led his team to 54 wins without Amare and in general Nash completely changed the Suns franchise when he signed with them.

Lol at thinking the Suns win 40 games without Nash in '06.

[2much_knowledge]

i dunno i just think the nba is trash now and everyone can average 30/10/10 if they want


lebrons averaging 30/7/6 at age 37 and it had zero impact on his team

lukas a near 30/10/10 guy

embiids peak shaq right now stats wise

giannis is going off

a chubby white guy has the highest per ever

10 guys drop 50+ in a month

10-15 mvp candidates

derozans having a career year

ja morant looks like an mvp but hes teams better without him

booker is prime kobe?


just all looks fishy to me


Its obvious that because of rule changes, numbers are inflated nowadays. Great way to make casuals think their watching the best group of stars ever. Not the players fault tho. But it sucks

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe has no argument for MVP in 2007. Dirk won 15 more games than him and it's not like the Mavs were loaded with talent.

I can maybe see 2006 being a debate, but then again Nash led his team to 54 wins without Amare and in general Nash completely changed the Suns franchise when he signed with them.

Lol at thinking the Suns win 40 games without Nash in '06.

To add to this, Suns went 4-12 without Nash from '05-'07.

[John_Connor]

To add to this, Suns went 4-12 without Nash from '05-'07.

maybe if that was in one of 05 or 06 it would be telling of something. over 3 years its not nearly a big enough sample size


thats like an average of 1.3 wins and 4 losses in an 82 game season. someone could sneeze or fart and cause that kind of damage

[John_Connor]

and i see a ton of people saying giannis should win mvp cause of his defensive impact

what were kobe and nash defensively in 2006

[1987_Lakers]

maybe if that was in one of 05 or 06 it would be telling of something. over 3 years its not nearly a big enough sample size


thats like an average of 1.3 wins and 4 losses in an 82 game season. someone could sneeze or fart and cause that kind of damage

So you think the Suns win 40 games without Nash and Amare in '06? :oldlol:

[John_Connor]

So you think the Suns win 40 games without Nash and Amare in '06? :oldlol:



35 or so

lakers win 10-15 without kobe

[1987_Lakers]

35 or so

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[3ba11]

Jokic

[John_Connor]

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PG - Barbosa
SG - Bell
SF - Marion
PF - Diaw
C - kurt Thomas

bench

tim thomas
james jones
eddie house
jim jackson
brian grant



easy 35-38 wins

[John_Connor]

Jokic

i agree. thats who it would be if kobe won it 3-4 times

but shouldn't booker win it based on the history of voting

[1987_Lakers]

Jokic

I saw who you originally picked, nice quick edit.

[SATAN]

Anthony Davis according to ImKobe...

[John_Connor]

I saw who you originally picked, nice quick edit.

yeah me too. he picked booker cause even he knows its a travesty that the medias flip flopping on their criteria just to push an agenda

[Westbrook_Fan]

Lebron...

[John_Connor]

Lebron...

sucks?


you left 3 dots so its obviously a fill in the blank

[3ba11]

I saw who you originally picked, nice quick edit.


Jokic's team is overachieving and his numbers are the best

Embiid was doing the same but then his comp for best iso'er teamed up with him for some strange reason

[Jasper]

I am still old school and believe the better win loss record and place in the conference has a bearing.

You know how many teams in 6th or worse record had a mVP type player cause the rest of the team could not bring it ??

The best record among the MVP candidates should most certainly have a bearing.

Otherwise lets bring in the 20 win season teams with a player that does it all ... lmao

[John8204]

For me I feel like you need a chip if you are going to get a 2nd MVP, In reality Devin Booker and Chris Paul should have gotten back to back MVP's before giving Jokic one. It's also weird to me when Chris Paul never got MVP's because of seeding and now we're like yeah bout that.

[RogueBorg]

I am still old school and believe the better win loss record and place in the conference has a bearing.



Me too and the record does matter to the voters. I thought Phoenix would fall off some when CP3 went down and they're still 15 games better than Denver. Booker's the best player on the best team, I would vote for him.

[NugzFan]

is he really though. hes putting up all time great stats but so are 3 other guys. and lebron showed stats are drastically inflated


didnt like 10 guys have 50 point games one month


So if stats are inflated then who should win mvp?

[NugzFan]

i dunno i just think the nba is trash now and everyone can average 30/10/10 if they want


lebrons averaging 30/7/6 at age 37 and it had zero impact on his team

lukas a near 30/10/10 guy

embiids peak shaq right now stats wise

giannis is going off

a chubby white guy has the highest per ever

10 guys drop 50+ in a month

10-15 mvp candidates

derozans having a career year

ja morant looks like an mvp but hes teams better without him

booker is prime kobe?


just all looks fishy to me

If you think anyone can average 30/10/10 then you are a very casual uninformed fan and your opinion holds no weight in this argument .

[NugzFan]

I am still old school and believe the better win loss record and place in the conference has a bearing.

You know how many teams in 6th or worse record had a mVP type player cause the rest of the team could not bring it ??

The best record among the MVP candidates should most certainly have a bearing.

Otherwise lets bring in the 20 win season teams with a player that does it all ... lmao

What a pathetic argument. “If we are considering the 6th seed why not include the 15th seeded team?!”

I’m so glad you don’t have a vote

[NugzFan]

Me too and the record does matter to the voters. I thought Phoenix would fall off some when CP3 went down and they're still 15 games better than Denver. Booker's the best player on the best team, I would vote for him.

Would Phoenix be 15 games better without booker and bridges all season long and if Murray/mpj we’re healthy?

[tontoz]

Easy call for Jokic to me. Last season Murray/MPJ averaged a combined 40 points. Getting 48 wins without them is quite an accomplishment.

:oldlol: @ anyone mentioning Booker. His primary value is as a scorer and he isn't as good at scoring as the rest of the top candidates.

[Kblaze8855]

I’d say Jokic and Giannis are close enough to not argue over. And even though how bad the Nuggets team is has been overstated there is clearly no Holiday or Middleton there. Mostly a bunch of Bobby Portis level guys. Considering that and Jokic being consistently ridiculous I couldn’t complain if he got a second one. If I had to put in a ballot it might go Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, Luka, and Booker in that order with me not being upset if you wanted to change the order of the last 3.

[bison]

A league MVP is a guy who single handedly makes any team a winning team. LeQuit was that guy many years ago, but that guy today is no one else but Jokic. Devin Booker was stat padding on a lottery team his whole career before the CPGod arrived.

[Naero]

It's clearly Jokic at this point.

I'm generally iffy about giving it to candidates who don't even have HCA-seeding, but there's a negligible difference in the win-loss column between Jokic's Nuggets and his competitor's teams. Jokic is playing significantly better than anyone whose team is even three-plus games ahead of his in the standings, and that level-of-play disparity outmeasures whatever team-success advantage they have over him.

I still think Giannis has been better overall when accounting for defense, but he hasn't been nearly as valuable for his team in the grand scheme: Jokic has played 8 more games (and counting), and he's had to shoulder a greater load in the void of his injury-sidelined supporting cast.

All seeding preconceptions aside, it's hard to argue anyone else when you actually break down his competition.

[John8204]

A league MVP is a guy who single handedly makes any team a winning team. LeQuit was that guy many years ago, but that guy today is no one else but Jokic. Devin Booker was stat padding on a lottery team his whole career before the CPGod arrived.

Jokic got an MVP..why give a 2nd MVP to a guy that's going to lose in the first round? Also stat padding for Booker when he was 19-22 years old....c'mon now these arguments are embarrassing.

[RogueBorg]

Jokic got an MVP..why give a 2nd MVP to a guy that's going to lose in the first round? Also stat padding for Booker when he was 19-22 years old....c'mon now these arguments are embarrassing.

What does a players stats from 6 years ago have to do with this year?

[pegasus]

Jokic for sure. Embiid has also played without his best teammate all year, and then he got Harden's corpse, so he should get more votes than Giannis.

Doncic was superb in the last few months, but he shouldn't be rewarded for starting the season out of shape for no reason other than being lazy.

[Jasper]

What a pathetic argument. “If we are considering the 6th seed why not include the 15th seeded team?!”

I’m so glad you don’t have a vote

you obviously can't read. :facepalm

read my post again , and you may find out we are on the same page