Lebron's teammates played far below their career highs (capacity) alongside him

[3ba11]

Wade, Bosh, Love, Hughes, Jamison and more

Otoh, guys like Pippen, Grant, and BJ played near capacity next to MJ (near their career highs)

Jordan's elite on-ball/off-ball skillset fit with anyone and allowed better teams since everyone was playing to capacity.. Meanwhile, Lebron's lack of elite jumpshooting skill (can't run off screens) and frontcourt ball-dominance makes teammates stand in the corner (inferior brand of ball), which requires ridiculous supporting talent to win

[RRR3]

So you’ve said.

[3ba11]

So you’ve said.


We have dates for when Bosh, Love, Ingram, and Jamison achieved far below their career highs (capacity) alongside Lebron.

So it isn't just words - it's the historical record

But carry on living in your fantasy world.. Just don't get stuck!

[RRR3]

So you’ve said…

[Johnny32]

Hurrr, gervin, grant, pippen, armstrong, parrish, brian williams, harper, all worse with jordone, durrr.

[3ba11]

Hurrr, gervin, grant, pippen, armstrong, parrish, brian williams, harper, all worse with jordone, durrr.


Can you do math?

Lebron's teammates were far below their career highs with Lebron (far below capacity), while Jordan's teammates played near their career highs (near capacity)

Jordan's skillset allowed a superior brand of ball (ball movement) so teammates didn't have to stand in the corner like Lebron's teammates do

[ShawkFactory]

Countless people didn’t score career highs when they moved from a bad team to a good one.

Just listened to an interview with Mikal Bridges and he was saying the reason the Suns are so great is because they’re unselfish. He could go out and score 20-22 a game with OKC but he doesn’t do it on the Suns because his career high in points isn’t the most optimal basketball for a great team.

Basketball 101.

Is a team going to win a championship with Love scoring 26 a game? Probably not.

Jamison scoring 23? Absolutely not.

[Johnny32]

Can you do math?

Lebron's teammates were far below their career highs with Lebron (far below capacity), while Jordan's teammates played near their career highs (near capacity)

Jordan's skillset allowed a superior brand of ball (ball movement) so teammates didn't have to stand in the corner like Lebron's teammates do

Sry fatboy but your desperate excuses why jordone's teammates all had better seasons away from his black hole offense don't matter.

[1987_Lakers]

Countless people didn’t score career highs when they moved from a bad team to a good one.

Just listened to an interview with Mikal Bridges and he was saying the reason the Suns are so great is because they’re unselfish. He could go out and score 20-22 a game with OKC but he doesn’t do it on the Suns because his career high in points isn’t the most optimal basketball for a great team.

Basketball 101.

Is a team going to win a championship with Love scoring 26 a game? Probably not.

Jamison scoring 23? Absolutely not.

:applause:

[3ba11]

Countless people didn’t score career highs when they moved from a bad team to a good one.

Just listened to an interview with Mikal Bridges and he was saying the reason the Suns are so great is because they’re unselfish. He could go out and score 20-22 a game with OKC but he doesn’t do it on the Suns because his career high in points isn’t the most optimal basketball for a great team.

Basketball 101.

Is a team going to win a championship with Love scoring 26 a game? Probably not.

Jamison scoring 23? Absolutely not.


Jamison averaged 20/8 as 3rd option for the 05' Wizards (2nd Round team), but only 15/8 as 2nd option for the 10' Cavs (2nd Round team).

Similarly, the 06' Cavs saw Hughes become a bum, while the 05' Wizards saw Hughes get 22/6/5 with 1st team defense - both were 2nd Round teams.

Should I go on?... Players simply play far below capacity alongside Lebron..

Let's go on... Ingram and Kuzma saw 1-year drops across the board in 2019 (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48).. Lebron interrupted and stalled their upward trajectory - Kuzma was on his way to a 100% bum career before escaping to Washington.

We can go on and on... Love/Bosh became 14 ppg bums despite being smack-dab in the middle of their prime, while other 3rd options average 19-20+ - there's too many to name (see Jamison above)... Only Lebron's 3rd options can't average 20 because his frontcourt ball-dominant skillset reduces them to spot-up roles and therefore robs them of the capacity to step.

[ShawkFactory]

Jamison averaged 20/8 as 3rd option for the 05' Wizards (2nd Round team), but only 15/8 as 2nd option for the 10' Cavs (2nd Round team).

Perhaps he was 28 and at his peak in 2005, while 33 and past his prime in 2010. Or maybe that makes too much sense?

But the original point still stands. The 2010 Cavs were far better than the 05 Wizards, and a guy like Jamison scoring 20+ is not going to cut it on a better team. Refer to his early career: he went from a 25ppg scorer on a 17 win Warriors team to a 15ppg bench player on the contending Mavs.

I could go into the specifics with the other players mentioned but Jamison's case proves my point pretty perfectly.

[Kblaze8855]

Countless people didn’t score career highs when they moved from a bad team to a good one.

Just listened to an interview with Mikal Bridges and he was saying the reason the Suns are so great is because they’re unselfish. He could go out and score 20-22 a game with OKC but he doesn’t do it on the Suns because his career high in points isn’t the most optimal basketball for a great team.

Basketball 101.

Is a team going to win a championship with Love scoring 26 a game? Probably not.

Jamison scoring 23? Absolutely not.



Imagine ISH 30 years ago. Hed be saying Magic held back Tony Campbell because he put up 23 a game on the garbage Timberwolves and that he made Orlando woolridge a role player between stops being productive on the Bulls, Nets, and Nuggets.

[3ba11]

Perhaps he was 28 and at his peak in 2005, while 33 and past his prime in 2010. Or maybe that makes too much sense?

But the original point still stands. The 2010 Cavs were far better than the 05 Wizards, and a guy like Jamison scoring 20+ is not going to cut it on a better team. Refer to his early career: he went from a 25ppg scorer on a 17 win Warriors team to a 15ppg bench player on the contending Mavs.

I could go into the specifics with the other players mentioned but Jamison's case proves my point pretty perfectly.


Jamison was averaging 22/9 in 2010 before arriving in Cleveland and immediately dropping to 15/8..

and good teams literally have the MOST guys putting up numbers - that's a common characteristic of good teams.. so your entire premise makes no sense, especially when there's so many examples aside from Jamison..

The 06' Cavs saw Hughes become a bum, while the 05' Wizards saw Hughes get 22/6/5 with 1st team defense - both were 2nd Round teams.

Should I go on?... Players simply play far below capacity alongside Lebron..

Let's go on... Ingram and Kuzma saw 1-year drops across the board in 2019 (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48).. Lebron interrupted and stalled their upward trajectory - Kuzma was on his way to a 100% bum career before escaping to Washington.

We can go on and on... Love/Bosh became 14 ppg bums despite being smack-dab in the middle of their prime, while other 3rd options average 19-20+ - there's too many to name (see Jamison above)... Only Lebron's 3rd options can't average 20 because his frontcourt ball-dominant skillset reduces them to spot-up roles and therefore robs them of the capacity to step.

[ShawkFactory]

Jamison was averaging 22/9 in 2010 before arriving in Cleveland and immediately dropping to 15/8..



Yes, he went from a 26 win team to a 62 win team. He literally went from 22 to 15 earlier in his career too. As I already stated.

Do you not realize that you are making my point for me?

[ShawkFactory]

Imagine ISH 30 years ago. Hed be saying Magic held back Tony Campbell because he put up 23 a game on the garbage Timberwolves and that he made Orlando woolridge a role player between stops being productive on the Bulls, Nets, and Nuggets.

It's weird how someone can just blatantly ignore how basketball works :lol

Like did Isiah "crater" Aguirre? Dantley?

[Kblaze8855]

It's weird how someone can just blatantly ignore how basketball works :lol

Like did Isiah "crater" Aguirre? Dantley?

I can say without looking that Walt Frazier ruined Jerry Lucas career. And Bob Mcadoo sure got ruined on the Lakers. He was a 35ppg player and like 26 a game on the Knicks. What could have happened? Maybe something like Glen Rice on the Lakers? He sure seemed to lose it quickly….

[ShawkFactory]

I can say without looking that Walt Frazier ruined Jerry Lucas career. And Bob Mcadoo sure got ruined on the Lakers. He was a 35ppg player and like 26 a game on the Knicks. What could have happened? Maybe something like Glen Rice on the Lakers? He sure seemed to lose it quickly….

Ron Harper? Dude went from 20ppg star to 7ppg scrub overnight. What happened there?

[1987_Lakers]

Ron Harper? Dude went from 20ppg star to 7ppg scrub overnight. What happened there?

Danny Ainge also scored more points with Sacramento than he did with Boston, Bird must of held him back.

[SouBeachTalents]

3ball :roll:

[ShawkFactory]

Danny Ainge also scored more points with Sacramento than he did with Boston, Bird must of held him back.

Jodie Meeks doubled his scoring output from 2013 to 14. KOBE HELD HIM BACK

[Kblaze8855]

Jodie Meeks doubled his scoring output from 2013 to 14. KOBE HELD HIM BACK

Shame how Dwight did Rashard Lewis.

[ShawkFactory]

Shame how Dwight did Rashard Lewis.

Pierce and Garnett shaving 10ppg off of Ray Allen? What cancers.

[Kblaze8855]

Frankly we need to investigate Wade. Lebron was a 30ppg player when he got him, reduced him to his lowest scoring since his rookie year, and it took 12 years for him to recover and go back to 30ppg.

[ShawkFactory]

Frankly we need to investigate Wade. Lebron was a 30ppg player when he got him, reduced him to his lowest scoring since his rookie year, and it took 12 years for him to recover and go back to 30ppg.

Holy shit. It’s been right under our noses the whole time!

[FireDavidKahn]

Jordan had so much more help in the Finals.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FP53m-kXsAI-RqA?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[SpaceJam]

HAHAHA got him lads :oldlol:

[Baller789]

Jordan had so much more help in the Finals.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FP53m-kXsAI-RqA?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Looks like Lebron dimished his perennial All-Star teamates to me.

[ImKobe]

Countless people didn’t score career highs when they moved from a bad team to a good one.

Just listened to an interview with Mikal Bridges and he was saying the reason the Suns are so great is because they’re unselfish. He could go out and score 20-22 a game with OKC but he doesn’t do it on the Suns because his career high in points isn’t the most optimal basketball for a great team.

Basketball 101.

Is a team going to win a championship with Love scoring 26 a game? Probably not.

Jamison scoring 23? Absolutely not.

Wade had no issue scoring next to Shaq and that was before his prime. They tried to make it worth with both Bran and Wade taking turns in 2011, but Bran's lack of shooting ability meant that Wade had to sacrifice his numbers and they had to move Bosh further out and add more shooting for them to be dominant offensively.

It's about basketball fit, and Bran is a bad fit for guys who need the ball or who's strength is to score from the post. AD was a better fit than Love because he could make the 3 for that one season and had an automatic mid-range shot. Love & Bosh both were reduced to being spot-up shooters in their prime next to Bran.

The Jamison argument isn't the best one because he actually was a decent fit in Cleveland. His averages went down but he played just 32 mpg compared to almost 39 in Washington in the 2010 season.

And this is what Durant said about Bran



"So much hype comes from being around LeBron from other people," Durant said. "He has so many fanboys in the media. Even the beat writers just fawn over him. I'm like, we're playing basketball here, and it's not even about basketball at certain points. So I get why anyone wouldn't want to be in that environment because it's toxic. Especially when the attention is bullshit attention, fluff. It's not LeBron's fault at all; it's just the fact you have so many groupies in the media that love to hang on every word. Just get out of the way and let us play basketball."

"Kevin Love, he had to totally change his game to fit, to be a shooter," Durant said. "Which, I think, he deserves way more credit for switching his game. Bosh, same way. LeBron is a player that needs to play with guys that already know how they play the game -- and shooters. Like, young players that are still developing, it's always going to be hard because he demands the ball so much, he demands control of the offense and he creates for everybody."

This is Tyson Chandler speaking about playing with Bran


"If you've got LeBron, you've got to make it all about LeBron," Chandler said. "You've got to be able to [coexist] with that and fit with that. Who are you, where are you in your career, and how do you fit in? It's a sacrifice, but it's a sacrifice for winning."

All players have to sacrifice to an extent on a good/great team, but a player like Jordan/Kobe/Curry can fit with almost any player in the league because of their ability to play off-ball, so they can play next to a high-usage teammate like a Durant or a Shaq and both superstars would get their numbers and win a lot of games without sacrificing a whole lot.

[ShawkFactory]

Wade had no issue scoring next to Shaq and that was before his prime. They tried to make it worth with both Bran and Wade taking turns in 2011, but Bran's lack of shooting ability meant that Wade had to sacrifice his numbers and they had to move Bosh further out and add more shooting for them to be dominant offensively.

It's about basketball fit, and Bran is a bad fit for guys who need the ball or who's strength is to score from the post. AD was a better fit than Love because he could make the 3 for that one season and had an automatic mid-range shot. Love & Bosh both were reduced to being spot-up shooters in their prime next to Bran.

The Jamison argument isn't the best one because he actually was a decent fit in Cleveland. His averages went down but he played just 32 mpg compared to almost 39 in Washington in the 2010 season.

And this is what Durant said about Bran




This is Tyson Chandler speaking about playing with Bran



All players have to sacrifice to an extent on a good/great team, but a player like Jordan/Kobe/Curry can fit with almost any player in the league because of their ability to play off-ball, so they can play next to a high-usage teammate like a Durant or a Shaq and both superstars would get their numbers and win a lot of games without sacrificing a whole lot.

No one is arguing that playing with Lebron isn’t a circus that might not be for everyone.

But both Bosh and Love are no on record saying he’s the smartest player they’ve ever played with. And Bosh has said that he was a better player on the Heat than the Raptors.

Going from 1st to 3rd option you’re going to have to sacrifice. Period. That’s how it works. The idea is to be like Bosh, where you sacrifice the amount of ISOs or post touches but replace it in other ways for the team.

[3ba11]

:facepalm:

[3ba11]

No one is arguing that playing with Lebron isn’t a circus that might not be for everyone.

But both Bosh and Love are no on record saying he’s the smartest player they’ve ever played with. And Bosh has said that he was a better player on the Heat than the Raptors.

Going from 1st to 3rd option you’re going to have to sacrifice. Period. That’s how it works. The idea is to be like Bosh, where you sacrifice the amount of ISOs or post touches but replace it in other ways for the team.


Only Bosh/Love were reduced to bummy spot-up roles as 3rd option - other 3rd options dominated and averaged 20+ like Worthy, 05' Jamison, 91' Tim Hardaway, Jrue Holiday, Klay, Manu, Ray Allen and many more

So you're just lying at this point - 3rd options are not automatically bummy role players that average 14 ppg - only Lebron's 3rd options are

For you to look at the Jamison example - clear as day - and still spout delusions that 3rd options are always spot-up bums and that Lebron doesn't reduce guys - that's borderline insane and you should get checked out.. I might be obsessed with my favorite player, but you're literally denying reality in the face of obvious facts and intuitiveness

It's more healthy for you to accept that big man ball-dominance is the worst kind of ball-dominance and therefore the worst brand ever - it makes everyone stand in the corner (reduces everyone) and therefore needs the most help ever.

[ShawkFactory]

Only Bosh/Love were reduced to bummy spot-up roles as 3rd option - other 3rd options dominated and averaged 20+ like Worthy, 05' Jamison, 92' Tim Hardaway, Jrue Holiday, Klay, Manu, Ray Allen and many more

So you're just lying at this point - 3rd options are not automatically bummy role players that average 14 ppg - only Lebron's 3rd options are

For you to look at the Jamison example - clear as day - and still spout delusions that 3rd options are always spot-up bums and that Lebron doesn't reduce guys - that's borderline insane and you should get checked out.. I might be obsessed with my favorite player, but you're literally denying reality in the face of obvious facts and intuitiveness

It's more healthy for you to accept that big man ball-dominance is the worst kind of ball-dominance and therefore the worst brand ever - it makes everyone stand in the corner (reduces everyone) and therefore needs the most help ever.

Who said that?

Dude you’re getting buttfvcked in this thread just move on.

[3ba11]

Who said that?

Dude you’re getting buttfvcked in this thread just move on.


Yeah you can't respond.. Unusual for you but honestly I'm surprised you don't back down more often in the face of the facts

Btw it was 91' Hardaway that averaged 23 as 3rd option (not 92')

[ShawkFactory]

Yeah you can't respond.. Unusual for you but honestly I'm surprised you don't back down more often in the face of the facts

Btw it was 91' Hardaway that averaged 23 as 3rd option (not 92')

You know why I don’t respond.

Like I’m confused how Kevin Love can be a bummy role player as you’ve described in this thread...but be the best second option in the East and a dominant performer as you described in your last one.

Fvcking scamp :lol

[3ba11]

You know why I don’t respond.

Like I’m confused how Kevin Love can be a bummy role player as you’ve described in this thread...but be the best second option in the East and a dominant performer as you described in your last one.

Fvcking scamp :lol


As 2nd option in 2018, Love averaged 18 ppg, or 30% below capacity (30% below his 26 ppg career high), while Pippen was only 3-10% below capacity, depending on the year

As third option, Love's stats are 40% below capacity, while other 3rd options played closer to capacity and averaged 20+...

Ultimately, we know that Lebron's skillset makes teammates stand in the corner and reduces their role, so it's intuitive that Lebron significantly reduces teammates below capacity

[ShawkFactory]

As 2nd option in 2018, Love averaged 18 ppg, or 30% below capacity (30% below his 26 ppg career high), while Pippen was only 3-10% below capacity, depending on the year

As third option, Love's stats are 40% below capacity, while other 3rd options played closer to capacity and averaged 20+...

Ultimately, we know that Lebron's skillset makes teammates stand in the corner, so it's intuitive that Lebron reduces teammates' role and therefore reduces their production below capacity more than normal

Capacity =\= ppg dawg. As a lower-level basketball player you know this.

Chris Bosh can score 6 less points a game and still be a better or equal level player.

Better defense, screens, moving without the ball, efficiency etc. This is what true ballers do when they go from 1st on a bad team to second or third on a good one.

[3ba11]

Capacity =\= ppg dawg. As a lower-level basketball player you know this.

Chris Bosh can score 6 less points a game and still be a better or equal level player.

Better defense, screens, moving without the ball, etc. This is what true ballers do when they go from 1st on a bad team to second or third on a good one.


everyone's ROLE is reduced alongside Lebron (stand in corner)

So no......

By reducing teammate role, Lebron robs teammates of the capacity to step up... So Bosh couldn't step up for Wade in the 14' Finals because he lacked capacity to do so, aka he'd been reduced to spot-up role

Otoh, other 3rd options like Jrue or 05' Jamison maintain their role alongside non-ball-dominators like Giannis or Arenas, and therefore have the capacity to dominate if needed

[AlternativeAcc.]

Capacity =\= ppg dawg. As a career bench/clumsy piece of shit player you know this.

Chris Bosh can score 6 less points a game and still be a better or equal level player.

Better defense, screens, moving without the ball, etc. This is what true ballers do when they go from 1st on a bad team to second or third on a good one.
Good point

[ShawkFactory]

everyone's ROLE is reduced alongside Lebron (stand in corner)

So no......

By reducing teammate role, Lebron robs teammates of the capacity to step up... So Bosh couldn't step up for Wade in the 14' Finals because he lacked capacity to do so, aka he'd been reduced to spot-up role

Otoh, other 3rd options like Jrue or 05' Jamison maintain their role alongside non-ball-dominators like Giannis or Arenas, and therefore have the capacity to dominate if needed

Larry Hughes averaged 18 on 33% against the Heat in the playoffs in 05.

Jrue averaged 17 on 40% in the playoffs last year. That’s wetting the bed shit to you and worse than what Bosh and Love did most of the time.

[3ba11]

Capacity =\= ppg dawg. As a lower-level basketball player you know this.

Chris Bosh can score 6 less points a game and still be a better or equal level player.

Better defense, screens, moving without the ball, etc. This is what true ballers do when they go from 1st on a bad team to second or third on a good one.


Apparently, you never made any basketball team of any kind, so let me explain some bball101

Screen-setters like Matt Bonner aren't considered equivalent to primary scoring options that are called on to dominate like Jrue, Worthy or Klay

So it isn't okay that Lebron turns stars into low-producing bums that can only come out of the corner to set a screen

Are you really that clueless about offensive strategy (brand of ball) and weak teammate fits, so you don't understand why Lebron's teams have lower team ceilings/Finals records??

[ShawkFactory]

Quoting the same post twice? :lol

But as a low level player you know. I’m sure you could score 30 a game in some leagues but with the big boys you’re focusing on other shit to help the team win.

Were you not at max capacity outside of the Rec leagues? Or were you just..playing more appropriate given the situation.

Basketball 101

[3ba11]

Quoting the same post twice? :lol

But as a low level player you know. I’m sure you could score 30 a game in some leagues but with the big boys you’re focusing on other shit to help the team win.

Were you not at max capacity outside of the Rec leagues? Or were you just..playing more appropriate given the situation.

Basketball 101


But no one needs a 26/13 HOF to set screens and be a bum

Only Lebron

because his skillset is big man ball-dominance - the worst kind of ball-dominance (worst brand & fits) that needs goat help and still yields perennial underdogs.. Imagine having a skillset that yields needy, perennial underdogs REGARDLESS OF CAST... that's your goat.. enjoy

[ShawkFactory]

But no one needs a 26/13 HOF to set screens and be a bum

Only Lebron

because his skillset is big man ball-dominance - the worst kind of ball-dominance (worst brand & fits) that needs goat help and still yields perennial underdogs.. Imagine having a skillset that yields needy, perennial underdogs REGARDLESS OF CAST... that's your goat.. enjoy

Good thing I didn’t say you should just become a screen setter. I definitely didn’t list a bunch of other shit. And definitely wasn’t just saying that to make a point.

When you’re in a situation where it’s no longer practical to score like you would against g-leaguers then you make up for it in either ways. A la Bosh. Or Manu. Or literally anyone who’s gone from a 1st to 3rd role

[3ba11]

Good thing I didn’t say you should just become a screen setter. I definitely didn’t list a bunch of other shit. And definitely wasn’t just saying that to make a point.

When you’re in a situation where it’s no longer practical to score like you would against g-leaguers then you make up for it in either ways. A la Bosh. Or Manu. Or literally anyone who’s gone from a 1st to 3rd role


The Heat and Cavs needed to score more in the 14' and 17' Finals

Unfortunately, Bosh and Love had been reduced to spot-up roles because that's the only way Lebron can get his numbers.. If Lebron could produce viable amounts off-screens, then Bosh and Love would have bigger roles and the team would have a juggernaut offense that could keep up with anyone and wear down anyone

But alas... Big man ball-dominance says no... "keep that nose in the corner Love!!"

[3ba11]

Btw, Lebron fields low-assist teams that get massively out-assisted in the Finals, which further confirms the point being made - teammates are robbed from playing to capacity by a bad brand of ball that lacks good ball movement and makes them stand in corner.. This weak strategy/brand requires more talent and still yields perennial underdogs regardless of cast.

[ShawkFactory]

Btw, Lebron fields low-assist teams that get massively out-assisted in the Finals, which further confirms the point being made - teammates are robbed from playing to capacity by a bad brand of ball that lacks good ball movement and makes them stand in corner.. This weak strategy/brand requires more talent and still yields perennial underdogs regardless of cast.

You know what team was the lowest assist contending team from 2003-2010 or so?

Dallas.

I bet that’s unexpected. Was to me. They should have won a title in 06 and were dead last in team assists.

[3ba11]

You know what team was the lowest assist contending team from 2003-2010 or so?

Dallas.

I bet that’s unexpected. Was to me. They should have won a title in 06 and were dead last in team assists.


The assist rank of the typical champion is 7th, while Lebron's teams rank 17th for his career.

Jordan's teams ranked 8th (despite having the highest ppg player on the team every year)

The common thread in Lebron's last 4 Finals losses is massive deficits in team assists (since the pace & space era began)

[SouBeachTalents]

The Heat and Cavs needed to score more in the 14' and 17' Finals

Unfortunately, Bosh and Love had been reduced to spot-up roles because that's the only way Lebron can get his numbers.. If Lebron could produce viable amounts off-screens, then Bosh and Love would have bigger roles and the team would have a juggernaut offense that could keep up with anyone and wear down anyone

But alas... Big man ball-dominance says no... "keep that nose in the corner Love!!"
So fcking clueless :lol Seriously, there's this thing called defense that's half the game that's also important to teams winning championships. The Spurs & Warriors put up historic efficiency in those series, the idea you actually believe those teams needed more scoring instead of playing better defense perfectly sums up your basketball acumen.

[3ba11]

So fcking clueless :lol Seriously, there's this thing called defense that's half the game that's also important to teams winning championships. The Spurs & Warriors put up historic efficiency in those series, the idea you actually believe those teams needed more scoring instead of playing better defense perfectly sums up your basketball acumen.


Players and teams have a finite amount of energy to expend on each end of the floor, so if one team isn't having to work as hard defensively, then they will have more capacity to go off offensively..

For example, the 2014 Heat had the 9th-ranked defense compared to 22nd for the Mavs, yet the Spurs didn't go off on the Mavs' horrific defense because they were worn down from defending a good brand of offense (high ortg & team assist).. The best defense is a good offense - a tenet of all competition.

Every team has a ball-dominator, but Lebron's ball-dominance is abnormal for a frontcourt player, so Lebron's teams are the most ball-dominant in the league and therefore require the least energy to defend compared to zippy ball movement..

Essentially, Lebron's teams have the highest defensive requirements because they're always facing fresh offenses that aren't worn down by a good brand of ball.

[ShawkFactory]

The assist rank of the typical champion is 7th, while Lebron's teams rank 17th for his career.

Jordan's teams ranked 8th (despite having the highest ppg player on the team every year)

The common thread in Lebron's last 4 Finals losses is massive deficits in team assists (since the pace & space era began)

Golden State kind of skewed those recently. As did the early 10 Spurs. They lapped the field but it’s not a black and white thing.

Those Kawhi Raptors? They were 14th. The Lakers were 9th the next year.

The bucks last year? 14th. The Suns were 9th. There are many factors

[Round Mound]

In 1993-94 it was the Bulls without MJ and all the players had their best seasons and one only 2 less games than the prior year. Pippen, Grant and BJ where named all stars. Weird stuff indeed.

[ShawkFactory]

In 1993-94 it was the Bulls without MJ and all the players had their best seasons and one only 2 less games. Pippen, Grant and BJ where named all stars. Weird stuff indeed.

Yea the Bulls were good :lol

And that doesn't mean that MJ isn't the GOAT. Insecurity folks.

[Round Mound]

Yea the Bulls were good :lol

And that doesn't mean that MJ isn't the GOAT. Insecurity folks.

Obviously...