10 Finals... where's the legendary score or pass

[3ba11]

Jordan has numerous legendary shots, moves and passes in the Finals, whereas Lebron is just an athlete and transition player - he isn't a skilled offensive player aside from ball-dominant passing, which is a common skill.. it's somewhat rare at 6'8" but still a physical talent that people conflate with a smart way of playing or good brand of ball.

[Spurs m8]

The only memorable moment people bring up is that shitty chase down on an injured Iggy...where JR held the injured Iggy up

[3ba11]

The only memorable moment people bring up is that shitty chase down on an injured Iggy...where JR held the injured Iggy up


If a player is #2 all-time, there MUST BE historic moves that killed a defender or heart-pumping clutch shots that make everyone want to go out and play ball...

Otherwise they aren't really #2... :confusedshrug:

[Johnny32]

Plz rem and luv my childhood memories as much as i do, plz.

[ImKobe]

If a player is #2 all-time, there MUST BE historic moves that killed a defender or heart-pumping clutch shots that make everyone want to go out and play ball...

Otherwise they aren't really #2... :confusedshrug:

No game-tying/winning shots in the Finals. Zero legendary assists. The greatest moment in his Finals career happened off his own brick, where his teammates bailed him out to save him from another embarrassing choke job.

[ShawkFactory]

The only memorable moment people bring up is that shitty chase down on an injured Iggy...where JR held the injured Iggy up

That’s probably the biggest one. Very impressive play.

[StrongLurk]

OP is in a perpetual state of :cry:

[SouBeachTalents]

I guess he’ll have to settle for 4 FMVP’s and one of the greatest Finals averages ever :(

[FultzNationRISE]

https://scoutsalley.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/lebron-james5.gif

'Dagger' James :bowdown:

[John_Connor]

I guess he’ll have to settle for 4 FMVP’s and one of the greatest Finals averages ever :(

you mean

1 lockout shortened season rigged boston series finals mvp

1 bail out ray allen legacy saving shot finals mvp

1 bail out kyrie irving legacy saving shot and draymond suspension finals mvp

and 1 disney bubble 5 month break no fans no travel summer league practice court finals mvp


not to mention the collusions with wade, bosh, ray, kyrie, love, davis and westbrook

not to mention team hopping 3 times

not to mention a biochemist on his payroll the entire time with a multi million dollar expense on drugs admittedly and being linked to miami steroid clinics

lebron james career is a literal travesty and should never be considered for the hall of fame. hes worse than barry bonds, pete rose and shoeless joe jackson combined. he broke every written and unwritten rule in basketball

[SouBeachTalents]

you mean

1 lockout shortened season rigged boston series finals mvp

1 bail out ray allen legacy saving shot finals mvp

1 bail out kyrie irving legacy saving shot and draymond suspension finals mvp

and 1 disney bubble 5 month break no fans no travel summer league practice court finals mvp


not to mention the collusions with wade, bosh, ray, kyrie, love, davis and westbrook

not to mention team hopping 3 times

not to mention a biochemist on his payroll the entire time with a multi million dollar expense on drugs admittedly and being linked to miami steroid clinics

lebron james career is a literal travesty and should never be considered for the hall of fame. hes worse than barry bonds, pete rose and shoeless joe jackson combined. he broke every written and unwritten rule in basketball
No, I mean double the FMVP's of Kobe and a significantly better Finals performer to boot. Kobe's the worst Finals performer of any top 12 player.

[3ba11]

No, I mean double the FMVP's of Kobe and a significantly better Finals performer to boot. Kobe's the worst Finals performer of any top 12 player.


When did Kobe play worse than 22 on 36% as 1st option (07') or the goat choke in 2011?

Otoh, when did Lebron defeat maximum defensive attention in the Finals (carry scoring load) like Kobe did in 09 and 10?

So the historical record shows that Kobe never played as badly Lebron's 07' or 11' Finals, while Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention in the Finals like Kobe (never carried scoring load)... So the historical record proves you wrong

[SouBeachTalents]

When did Kobe play worse than 22 on 36% as 1st option (07') or the goat choke in 2011?

Otoh, when did Lebron defeat maximum defensive attention in the Finals (carry scoring load) like Kobe did in 09 and 10?

So the historical record shows that Kobe never played as badly Lebron's 07' or 11' Finals, while Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention in the Finals like Kobe (never carried scoring load)... So the historical record proves you wrong
It doesn't. You have to cherry pick these absolutely meaningless criteria to try to erase the MASSIVE gulf between LeBron's Finals play & Kobe's. The historical record, not cherry picked bullshit, shows LeBron has double the FMVP's of Kobe, 2nd most in NBA history, while being a significantly better Finals performer, while Kobe's the worst of any top 12 player.

And btw, acting like Kobe wasn't horrendous in '00 or '04 is fcking hilarious :lol

[3ba11]

It doesn't. You have to cherry pick these absolutely meaningless criteria to try to erase the MASSIVE gulf between LeBron's Finals play & Kobe's. The historical record, not cherry picked bullshit, shows LeBron has double the FMVP's of Kobe, 2nd most in NBA history, while being a significantly better Finals performer, while Kobe's the worst of any top 12 player.

And btw, acting like Kobe wasn't horrendous in '00 or '04 is fcking hilarious :lol


Lebron never won a title without multiple star teammates or being "pippen" to AD for the playoff run

So why does Lebron need more help to win??

The reason is obvious - he can't defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load), and therefore needs extra scoring help (extra stars), while his big man ball-dominance has the worst teammate fits ever (teammates don't play to capacity alongside him, so he needs more help)..

Otoh, Kobe could defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load), while also being able to produce off-screens and have goat teammate fits - so he needed less help

[3ba11]

Btw, MJ had the switch hands shot in 91' or the reverse on Ostertag in 97'

He also has numerous game-winners and the series-winning pass to Kerr that he famously pre-planned

So MJ had the heart-stopping moves that made everyone want to go ball .. or the legendary winning shots or passes... But nothing for Lebron despite 4 more tries (4 more Finals)

[k0kakw0rld]

Btw, MJ had the switch hands shot in 91' or the reverse on Ostertag in 97'

He also has numerous game-winners and the series-winning pass to Kerr that he famously pre-planned

So MJ had the heart-stopping moves that made everyone want to go ball .. or the legendary winning shots or passes... But nothing for Lebron despite 4 more tries (4 more Finals)
You hate the man yet all your threads involve his name. You can not spend a day without talking about that man.
Creating threads about LeBron, saying the same thing that no one gives a fvck about. Like STFU bro.

Jordan is your GOAT. He is not ours and there is nothing you can do about it. Are you really looking for people to talk to you this bad? There is no ESSAY or book or documentary that will make me change my mind. END OF DISCUSSION.

[RRR3]

https://youtu.be/hFZZasMfEMU



Whoops

[3ba11]

https://youtu.be/hFZZasMfEMU



Whoops


Miami was up 90-88 and the Spurs finished with 88 points - so the facts confirm it was a meaningless shot and not "legendary"

Zero clutch shots, zero legendary shots, zero legendary moves, zero legendary passes.... despite 4 extra Finals

[tpols]

When did Kobe play worse than 22 on 36% as 1st option (07') or the goat choke in 2011?

Otoh, when did Lebron defeat maximum defensive attention in the Finals (carry scoring load) like Kobe did in 09 and 10?


Absolute ether. :lol

LeBron could never win with a teammate scoring less than 20 ppg.

He always needed a Wade, Kyrie or AD going off.

[SouBeachTalents]

Absolute ether. :lol

LeBron could never win with a teammate scoring less than 20 ppg.

He always needed a Wade, Kyrie or AD going off.
2009 Gasol: 18.6 on 65%TS
2010 Gasol: 18.6 on 56%TS
2013 Wade: 19.6 on 51%TS

[tpols]

2009 Gasol: 18.6 on 65%TS
2010 Gasol: 18.6 on 56%TS
2013 Wade: 19.6 on 51%TS

All you're showing here is that Wade outscored Pau despite a massive chemistry deficit.

Pau peaked at like 19 ppg on his own. Wade peaked at 30 ppg on his own and was MVP caliber. If you're a heat fan you'd know that.

The fact that you think Pau is even close to Wade as a player shows your basketball blasphemy.

[AlternativeAcc.]

All you're showing here is that Wade outscored Pau despite a massive chemistry deficit.

Pau peaked at like 19 ppg on his own. Wade peaked at 30 ppg on his own and was MVP caliber. If you're a heat fan you'd know that.

The fact that you think Pau is even close to Wade as a player shows your basketball blasphemy.

Pau was a better 2nd option

Just like Middleton is a better 2nd option than prime westbrick despite scoring less

It's basketball 101

Would you rather have prime Klay as your 2nd option or westbrick?

[SouBeachTalents]

All you're showing here is that Wade outscored Pau despite a massive chemistry deficit. Pau peaked at like 19 ppg on his own. Wade peaked at 30 ppg on his own. If you're a heat fan you'd know that. The fact that you think Pau is even close to Wade as a player shows your basketball blasphemy.
You know what, fck it. You're probably the most clueless poster on the entire forum, and I'm not gonna waste my time explaining things that should be obvious to any basketball fan. You want to continue to believe that 2013 Wade was the same caliber of player he was in 2009, or that it's blasphemous to compare him to '09/'10 Gasol, I don't care :lol You do you bro.

[tpols]

You know what, fck it. You're probably the most clueless poster on the entire forum, and I'm not gonna waste my time explaining things that should be obvious to any basketball fan. You want to continue to believe that 2013 Wade was the same caliber of player he was in 2009, or that it's blasphemous to compare him to '09/'10 Gasol, I don't care :lol You do you bro.

So you compare only 2013 Wade instead of 2011 Wade or 2012 Wade to those versions of Pau? Wade = Pau right? Don't act like I'm the one on some bullshit here, pal. You're the one misconstruing what was reality.

[AlternativeAcc.]

So you compare only 2013 Wade instead of 2011 Wade or 2012 Wade to those versions of Pau? Wade = Pau right? Don't act like I'm the one on some bullshit here, pal. You're the one misconstruing what was reality.

Pau is a significantly better 2nd option

Just like Pippen was

It's basketball 101

[3ba11]

Absolute ether. :lol

LeBron could never win with a teammate scoring less than 20 ppg.

He always needed a Wade, Kyrie or AD going off.


In the 13' Finals, Lebron averaged 25 while Wade averaged 20 and outscored the opposing 1st option

That's the closest Lebron got to defeating maximum defensive attention in the Finals (carrying scoring load)

lol

The reality is that people knock 13' Wade because he fell to prime Pippen level - 20/5/5 and 20 PER

[Spurs m8]

If a player is #2 all-time, there MUST BE historic moves that killed a defender or heart-pumping clutch shots that make everyone want to go out and play ball...

Otherwise they aren't really #2... :confusedshrug:

There was that 3 point shot at the end of game 6 2013.

But he bricked it and Ray saved him

[AlternativeAcc.]

In the 13' Finals, Lebron averaged 25 while Wade averaged 20 and outscored the opposing 1st option

That's the closest Lebron got to defeating maximum defensive attention in the Finals (carrying scoring load)

lol

The reality is that people knock 13' Wade because he fell to prime Pippen level - 20/5/5 and 20 PER

Would you rather have Pau or Westbrook as your 2nd option?

[1987_Lakers]

I feel LeBron's most underrated moment is the 4th Q of game 6 of the '13 Finals. Miami started that quarter down by like 10 points or something like that, then LeBron proceeds to score 16 in the 4th to keep their season alive.

That moment right there was more clutch than anything Kobe ever did in the Finals.

[3ba11]

There was that 3 point shot at the end of game 6 2013.

But he bricked it and Ray saved him


:yaohappy:


.
Kobe won his rivalry with Duncan and defeated him in the clutch:


https://media.giphy.com/media/EEr1d9kg2vAUU/giphy.gif



Otoh, Lebron missed and needed Ray Allen to save him:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/XxRuyC.gif



otoh, jordan MADE his walk-off attempt from the exact same spot in his first meeting against Duncan/Popovich to send the game into overtime:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/rP-QUs.gif


After hitting the walk-off, MJ dominated overtime, including 2 dunks over Duncan:


https://media.giphy.com/media/26tn2Uph26JX7BeHS/giphy.gif

[tpols]

I feel LeBron's most underrated moment is the 4th Q of game 6 of the '13 Finals. Miami started that quarter down by like 10 points or something like that, then LeBron proceeds to score 16 in the 4th to keep their season alive.

That moment right there was more clutch than anything Kobe ever did in the Finals.

LeBron had shit performances prior to game 7 which he was all time lucky to even reach. He was getting clowned on by a fat Boris Diaw. That's what every body at the time saw.

Ray literally saved him and broke the spurs spirit. Snatched victory out of the jaws of defeat in the most spectacular fashion ever. Everybody that watched knows that.

[AlternativeAcc.]

LeBron had shit performances prior to game 7 which he was all time lucky to even reach. He was getting clowned on by a fat Boris Diaw. That's what every body at the time saw.

Ray literally saved him and broke the spurs spirit. Snatched victory out of the jaws of defeat in the most spectacular fashion ever. Everybody that watched knows that.

Lebron orchestrated a double digit 4th quarter deficit with 15 points in the 4th, dominated in OT

thats what actually happened.

[3ba11]

Lebron orchestrated a double digit 4th quarter deficit with 15 points in the 4th, dominated in OT

thats what actually happened.


Teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit while Lebron wet the bed with 16 on 39% thru 3 games

Overall, his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force Game 7.. Otoh, Jordan's 27 on 42% was sufficient thru 6 games of the 96' Finals (his least dominant Finals win)

Ultimately, Lebron had a zero plus-minus and negative net rating for the series, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor.. He wasn't dominant in this series

[AlternativeAcc.]

Teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit while Lebron wet the bed with 16 on 39% thru 3 games

Overall, his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force Game 7.. Otoh, Jordan's 27 on 42% was sufficient thru 6 games of the 96' Finals (his least dominant Finals win)

Ultimately, Lebron had a zero plus-minus and negative net rating for the series, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor.. He wasn't dominant in this series

You ducked my question

[3ba11]

You ducked my question


I didn't see the question but ultimately Lebron was saved about 80 times in that series before finally returning the favor - teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit while Lebron averaged 16 on 39%, and then Ray saved him again in Game 6

[Hey Yo]

:yaohappy:


.
Kobe won his rivalry with Duncan and defeated him in the clutch:


https://media.giphy.com/media/EEr1d9kg2vAUU/giphy.gif



Otoh, Lebron missed and needed Ray Allen to save him:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/XxRuyC.gif



otoh, jordan MADE his walk-off attempt from the exact same spot in his first meeting against Duncan/Popovich to send the game into overtime:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/rP-QUs.gif


After hitting the walk-off, MJ dominated overtime, including 2 dunks over Duncan:


https://media.giphy.com/media/26tn2Uph26JX7BeHS/giphy.gif

Kobe, as first option, only played Duncan once in the postseason.... there was no rivalry between the 2. You have Kobe mixed up with Shaq.

[BigShotBob]

:yaohappy:


.
Kobe won his rivalry with Duncan and defeated him in the clutch:


https://media.giphy.com/media/EEr1d9kg2vAUU/giphy.gif



Otoh, Lebron missed and needed Ray Allen to save him:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/XxRuyC.gif



otoh, jordan MADE his walk-off attempt from the exact same spot in his first meeting against Duncan/Popovich to send the game into overtime:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/rP-QUs.gif


After hitting the walk-off, MJ dominated overtime, including 2 dunks over Duncan:


https://media.giphy.com/media/26tn2Uph26JX7BeHS/giphy.gif

It's over....

[3ba11]

Kobe, as first option, only played Duncan once in the postseason.... there was no rivalry between the 2. You have Kobe mixed up with Shaq.


In the 08' WCF, Kobe averaged 29 on 53% and swept the same Spurs that swept Lebron in the 07' Finals (22 on 35% for Lebron)

[Hey Yo]

In the 08' WCF, Kobe averaged 29 on 53% and swept the same Spurs that swept Lebron in the 07' Finals (22 on 35% for Lebron)

Still doesn't make my statement false and still proves yours was wrong.

[3ba11]

Still doesn't make my statement false and still proves yours was wrong.


The original point was that Kobe made a game-winner against Duncan/Popovich and Lebron missed his big chance in Game 6, while MJ made that exact shot in his first meeting with Duncan/Popovich

[AlternativeAcc.]

I didn't see the question but ultimately Lebron was saved about 80 times in that series before finally returning the favor - teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit while Lebron averaged 16 on 39%, and then Ray saved him again in Game 6

You ducked my question

[Hey Yo]

The original point was that Kobe made a game-winner against Duncan/Popovich and Lebron missed his big chance in Game 6, while MJ made that exact shot in his first meeting with Duncan/Popovich

Your original point about rivalries was debunked by me immediately.

Kobe wasn't good enough to be first option till his 9th season.

YIKES!!

[3ba11]

Your original point about rivalries was debunked by me immediately.

Kobe wasn't good enough to be first option till his 9th season.

YIKES!!


But once Kobe became 1st option, he wasn't a talent-based winner/team-hopper - he knew how to win (organic.. brand of ball) and also could defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals) - both of these things (organic & carrying scoring load) allowed him to win more with less

Btw, Jordan led Lebron in playoff APG for their first 9 years, so Lebron wasn't good enough to overtake Jordan in playoff APG until Year 10 when the "pace & space" era began

[Full Court]

If a player is #2 all-time, there MUST BE historic moves that killed a defender or heart-pumping clutch shots that make everyone want to go out and play ball...

Otherwise they aren't really #2... :confusedshrug:

Objective people who don't blindly follow media narratives don't have him at #2. If we're being completely honest and unbiased, he's not top 5. He belongs somewhere in the 7-10 range.

[sdot_thadon]

Here's the once every blue moon response ill give you. Man I swear, op is the basketball fan equivalent of a basic bitch. I guess you want us to come in here and tell you how Lebron:

•Had a strong finals vs okc In 2012.

•That in 2013, in game 6 before Ray Allen's incredible shot, lebron scored 16 in a frantic give it his all 4th qtr comeback that was iconic and made Allens play at all possible.

•That he had 37 in game 7 vs. the Spurs with the dagger to put the game away.

•That In 2015 he basically went 1 vs. Warriors and pushed them to game 6 without his 2nd AND 3rd options.

•That In 2016 he had a performance so terrifying that a 73-9 win team recruited Kd and he accepted immediately after a contentious series with them himself. Lebron may have had the best finals ever that year all things considered. and I'd like to remind op to go have a 200th look at Lebron's defensive metrics for that series. I can tell you now Mj has never sniffed that level of play in a finals defensively.

•That In 2018, he played arguably the best single game we've seen in the finals, the Jr. Smith game.

•In 2020 became the 1st player to win. fmvp with 3 different franchises..

and let's talk about 2007, it wouldn't even exist if not for the historic game 5 in the ecf...which we have as near a 1:1 comparison of an aspect of their careers as it gets. Mj had a game 5 in 1989 vs the same Pistons that beat his team previously the same way Lebron did in 2007. Both ended up 2-2 with a big swing game on the road. Lebron announced his arrival as a potential great with his huge 48 point clutch performance, Mj attempted only 8 shots and disappeared with a chance to get to the finals 2 years ahead of schedule on the line no less. We can't talk about that because it betrays the narrative of Mj right?

and you guys should be thanking God for 2011 because otherwise you idiots would have to try and explain a 5th chip off as Wade being the best player when Pippen himself made the 1st legit Mj Comparison just a week prior to those finals. and yeah Kobe would never, Mj would never....oops, unless it's a game 7 vs. Phoenix in 2006.....or game 5 vs. Detroit in 89.

[Baller789]

Here's the once every blue moon response ill give you. Man I swear, op is the basketball fan equivalent of a basic bitch. I guess you want us to come in here and tell you how Lebron:

•Had a strong finals vs okc In 2012.

•That in 2013, in game 6 before Ray Allen's incredible shot, lebron scored 16 in a frantic give it his all 4th qtr comeback that was iconic and made Allens play at all possible.

•That he had 37 in game 7 vs. the Spurs with the dagger to put the game away.

•That In 2015 he basically went 1 vs. Warriors and pushed them to game 6 without his 2nd AND 3rd options.

•That In 2016 he had a performance so terrifying that a 73-9 win team recruited Kd and he accepted immediately after a contentious series with them himself. Lebron may have had the best finals ever that year all things considered. and I'd like to remind op to go have a 200th look at Lebron's defensive metrics for that series. I can tell you now Mj has never sniffed that level of play in a finals defensively.

•That In 2018, he played arguably the best single game we've seen in the finals, the Jr. Smith game.

•In 2020 became the 1st player to win. fmvp with 3 different franchises..

and let's talk about 2007, it wouldn't even exist if not for the historic game 5 in the ecf...which we have as near a 1:1 comparison of an aspect of their careers as it gets. Mj had a game 5 in 1989 vs the same Pistons that beat his team previously the same way Lebron did in 2007. Both ended up 2-2 with a big swing game on the road. Lebron announced his arrival as a potential great with his huge 48 point clutch performance, Mj attempted only 8 shots and disappeared with a chance to get to the finals 2 years ahead of schedule on the line no less. We can't talk about that because it betrays the narrative of Mj right?

and you guys should be thanking God for 2011 because otherwise you idiots would have to try and explain a 5th chip off as Wade being the best player when Pippen himself made the 1st legit Mj Comparison just a week prior to those finals. and yeah Kobe would never, Mj would never....oops, unless it's a game 7 vs. Phoenix in 2006.....or game 5 vs. Detroit in 89.

Did anyone read all of this?

[Spurs m8]

Did anyone read all of this?

Nah...the dudes full of shit

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://c.tenor.com/BM_CkscBSrgAAAAM/jason-terry-shoot.gif

[Baller789]

Nah...the dudes full of shit

You know you got them on skates when they start writing novels in an internet forum. :lol

[Axe]

Here's the once every blue moon response ill give you. Man I swear, op is the basketball fan equivalent of a basic bitch. I guess you want us to come in here and tell you how Lebron:

•Had a strong finals vs okc In 2012.

•That in 2013, in game 6 before Ray Allen's incredible shot, lebron scored 16 in a frantic give it his all 4th qtr comeback that was iconic and made Allens play at all possible.

•That he had 37 in game 7 vs. the Spurs with the dagger to put the game away.

•That In 2015 he basically went 1 vs. Warriors and pushed them to game 6 without his 2nd AND 3rd options.

•That In 2016 he had a performance so terrifying that a 73-9 win team recruited Kd and he accepted immediately after a contentious series with them himself. Lebron may have had the best finals ever that year all things considered. and I'd like to remind op to go have a 200th look at Lebron's defensive metrics for that series. I can tell you now Mj has never sniffed that level of play in a finals defensively.

•That In 2018, he played arguably the best single game we've seen in the finals, the Jr. Smith game.

•In 2020 became the 1st player to win. fmvp with 3 different franchises..

and let's talk about 2007, it wouldn't even exist if not for the historic game 5 in the ecf...which we have as near a 1:1 comparison of an aspect of their careers as it gets. Mj had a game 5 in 1989 vs the same Pistons that beat his team previously the same way Lebron did in 2007. Both ended up 2-2 with a big swing game on the road. Lebron announced his arrival as a potential great with his huge 48 point clutch performance, Mj attempted only 8 shots and disappeared with a chance to get to the finals 2 years ahead of schedule on the line no less. We can't talk about that because it betrays the narrative of Mj right?

and you guys should be thanking God for 2011 because otherwise you idiots would have to try and explain a 5th chip off as Wade being the best player when Pippen himself made the 1st legit Mj Comparison just a week prior to those finals. and yeah Kobe would never, Mj would never....oops, unless it's a game 7 vs. Phoenix in 2006.....or game 5 vs. Detroit in 89.
As great as he really was (unanimous goat of the modern era), you can't deny that two of his rings were won in seasons that went in less than the usual 82 games.

[sdot_thadon]

You know you got them on skates when they start writing novels in an internet forum. :lol

You know know you got em on skates when they reply with an alt and can't even begin to discuss the post.

[sdot_thadon]

As great as he really was (unanimous goat of the modern era), you can't deny that two of his rings were won in seasons that went in less than the usual 82 games.

Yeah, this is true. But it really depends on how much of an asterisk guy you are. All rings aren't created equal for sure, but if you look at 2012 they all faced the same conditions. The season was short, but let's not forget how compressed it was. Lots of the description of that seasin used words like grueling and it was kind of a survival of the fittest type run.

2020? Similar. Everyone got the same break, the same life altering pandemic and the exact same conditions in the bubble, no crowd, no home court. Just pure ball. Almost felt like a lab experiment especially in the manner that whomever could build chemistry and consistency 1st found success in the bubble. Some say it was the hardest season of their career for all the psychological hardships that were endured at that particular moment in time.

And most importantly had anyone else won in his place Lebron would still take a hit for not winning, therefore he deserves credit for pulling it off in both scenarios. But I won't deduct points or asterisk either one, and i wouldn't be mad at anyone who didn't see them worthy of extra praise either.

[Johnny32]

rank their top 10 finals. legoat prob has 7, mj 3.

[red1]

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yeah thats right JT balled that year but it's been downhill since

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