2022 MLB > NBA discussion thread. more stars. more competitive

[John_Connor]

the nba kills off its stars to prop up others and hold onto the past. everything is an attack on someone. the media hates white players. the media hates foreign players. and both are taking over the league. hyping up the wrong guys like curry, Ja and holding onto lebron out of fear to embrace luka, embiid, jokic and giannis. no love for booker or herro. no love for Toronto. I'm glad it's almost over

because it's the COMPLETE OPPOSITE over in baseball

the media loves Toronto and wants them to win the American league over the Yankees and redox

there's as many if not more stars right now and upcoming guys with all time talent as the 90s


legendary players right now

- Shohei Ohtani (the next babe ruth)
- Mike Trout (the next mickey mantle)
- Vladimir Guerrero Jr (the next frank thomas)
- Juan Soto (Tony Gwynn with power)
- Ronald Acuna Jr ( the next Willie Mays)
- Fernando Tatis Jr (the next Alex rodriguez)
- Luis Robert ( the next Ken Griffey Jr )


legendary talents coming up right now

- Bobby witt Jr ( the next chipper jones )
- Wander Franco ( completely unique all time talent )
- Julio Rodriguez ( another possible griffey )


and then there's the usual stars

- Bryce Harper
- Mookie Betts
- Jose Ramirez
- Carlos Corea
- Trea Turner
- Bo Bichette
- Aaron judge
- Will Smith
- Alex Bregman
- Corey Seiger
- Marcus Semien
- Manny Machado
- Freddie Freeman

and probly a dozen other huge names. don't care to discuss pitchers unless they hit 40+ homeruns



I stopped watching baseball for a long time. the sport did a horrible job promoting its stars up until about 4 or 5 years ago and now they have the most stars out of any league. by far the most all time talent. this should be a historic season and would have been even better if tatis wasn't injured cause he might be the best talent I've ever seen. if you wanna get into baseball now is the time to watch some games again

[FultzNationRISE]

the nba kills off its stars to prop up others and hold onto the past. everything is an attack on someone. the media hates white players. the media hates foreign players. and both are taking over the league. hyping up the wrong guys like curry, Ja and holding onto lebron out of fear to embrace luka, embiid, jokic and giannis. no love for booker or herro. no love for Toronto. I'm glad it's almost over

because it's the COMPLETE OPPOSITE over in baseball

legendary talents coming up right now

- Bobby witt Jr ( the next chipper jones )
- Wander Franco ( completely unique all time talent )
- Julio Rodriguez ( another possible griffey )


and then there's the usual stars

- Bryce Harper
- Mookie Betts
- Jose Ramirez
- Carlos Corea
- Trea Turner
- Bo Bichette
- Aaron judge
- Will Smith
- Alex Bregman
- Corey Seiger
- Marcus Semien
- Manny Machado
- Freddie Freeman

and probly a dozen other huge names. don't care to discuss pitchers unless they hit 40+ homeruns



I stopped watching baseball for a long time. the sport did a horrible job promoting its stars up until about 4 or 5 years ago and now they have the most stars out of any league. by far the most all time talent. this should be a historic season and would have been even better if tatis wasn't injured cause he might be the best talent I've ever seen. if you wanna get into baseball now is the time to watch some games again


Hes playing baseball now??


That proves the slap was real.

[John_Connor]

https://youtu.be/hSJa7eQsHa8

switch hitting infielder with power and speed and a glove like this doesn't come around too often. I've never seen anyone like it before. if you wanna invest do it now

[Patrick Chewing]

It's very comforting to know that baseball doesn't have a LeBron type player with tons of LeExcuses and LeChokes constanstly.

[JohnnySic]

Just a few short years ago people were calling baseball a dying sport. Well, so much for that. :hammerhead:

[Charlie Sheen]

Just a few short years ago people were calling baseball a dying sport. Well, so much for that. :hammerhead:

Opening weekend. Everyone is excited until they realize there is another 6 months before the playoffs and the regular season isn't worth paying attention to until sometime in September. And Im a baseball fan :lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

Shame Tatis Jr got injured. Dude is fun to watch

Hopefully Trout stays healthy this year

I've been watching a lot of old baseball games lately. Bonds in the early 90s is every bit as good as any player I've watched. Dude had a perfect swing and was elite in the field. He was basically a left-handed trout before steroids

[John_Connor]

Shame Tatis Jr got injured. Dude is fun to watch

Hopefully Trout stays healthy this year

I've been watching a lot of old baseball games lately. Bonds in the early 90s is every bit as good as any player I've watched. Dude had a perfect swing and was elite in the field. He was basically a left-handed trout before steroids

bonds did steroids. keep his name out this thread please


and yes we know he was great without them but he was in the national league for all those mvps during a time when every great player was in the AL

same reason he got gold gloves playing the weakest position in the weakest league

[AlternativeAcc.]

bonds did steroids. keep his name out this thread please


and yes we know he was great without them but he was in the national league for all those mvps during a time when every great player was in the AL

same reason he got gold gloves playing the weakest position in the weakest league

Everybody did steroids. The hall is littered with guys who did steroids

They didn't even test until 2003. All the pitchers did steroids.

Bonds was the best. You've never played the sport so you csnt actually appreciate how skilled and disciplined he was as a hitter. The best

[John_Connor]

there's no way bonds wins mvp over rickey henderson in 1990 when he stole 65 bases and was a house hold favorite in a 103 win Oakland A's

there's no way bonds wins mvp over dennis eckersley when he had 51 saves on a near 100 win Oakland A's

there's no way bonds win mvp over a household favorite frank thomas in 93 with a near 100 win white Sox team


nobody liked bonds but who else would win mvp in the NL if not him

bobby Bonilla?, Terry pendleton? Lenny dykestra? lmao

kids had no clue who these guys were. media didn't care

[AlternativeAcc.]

His stats were better than anybody in the 90s by a long shot

Imagine if he played in a hitter friendly park.

[John_Connor]

Everybody did steroids. The hall is littered with guys who did steroids

They didn't even test until 2003. All the pitchers did steroids.

Bonds was the best. You've never played the sport so you csnt actually appreciate how skilled and disciplined he was as a hitter. The best


I played baseball from age 5 to 18 lol

I was a pitcher with power and switch hit


and no not everyone did steroids. and yes a few guys went into the hall of fame that shouldn't be there. but that doesn't take away from the fact that they cheated. it figures a lebum fan would side with Barry bonds and vilify an entire era. gotta throw everyone under the bus just like your hero does


sorry but tony gwynn never did steroids. neither did griffey. neither did jeter


don't drag their names through the mud just cause bonds is a giant head cross dressing f*ggot like you

[John_Connor]

His stats were better than anybody in the 90s by a long shot

Imagine if he played in a hitter friendly park.

griffey was player of the decade though. know why? because it's not just about offense.

[AlternativeAcc.]

griffey was player of the decade though. know why? because it's not just about offense.

Barry had about 8 gold gloves

He was no slouch.

Player of the decade? Bonds was a dickhesd and hated by the media. Griffen the opposite

Everyone who knows the game knows bonds was a way better all around player

[John_Connor]

Barry had about 8 gold gloves

He was no slouch.

Player of the decade? Bonds was a dickhesd and hated by the media. Griffen the opposite

Everyone who knows the game knows bonds was a way better all around player

a gold glove in the NL at left field is about as valuable as a Disney bubble ring

who was his competition. he was an average fielder. you wouldn't know cause you literally never watched bonds play other than maybe his last few years with the giants

and no bonds wasn't a better all around player because griffey is a top 2-3 center fielder of all time (one of the key positions ) and left field is where they stick guys like fat ass manny ramirez

[SouBeachTalents]

a gold glove in the NL at left field is about as valuable as a Disney bubble ring

who was his competition. he was an average fielder. you wouldn't know cause you literally never watched bonds play other than maybe his last few years with the giants

and no bonds wasn't a better all around player because griffey is a top 2-3 center fielder of all time (one of the key positions ) and left field is where they stick guys like fat ass manny ramirez
Still more legit than Kobe's All-Defensive teams.

[John_Connor]

imagine bragging about gold glove awards won at a position where they stuck this clown

https://i.ibb.co/xDVbd3V/Screenshot-20220411-171122-Gallery.jpg

:roll:

[AlternativeAcc.]

a gold glove in the NL at left field is about as valuable as a Disney bubble ring

who was his competition. he was an average fielder. you wouldn't know cause you literally never watched bonds play other than maybe his last few years with the giants

and no bonds wasn't a better all around player because griffey is a top 2-3 center fielder of all time (one of the key positions ) and left field is where they stick guys like fat ass manny ramirez

Bonds was a better hitter and base runner, and an elite fielder in his prime

Barry had better war by a lot...

I wouldn't expect a Kobe Stan who thinks the Oscar slap was fake to have any reasonable opinions though. You're literally retarded

[AlternativeAcc.]

Still more legit than Kobe's All-Defensive teams.

Guy probably thinks Jeter was a great defender too

[John_Connor]

Bonds was a better hitter and base runner, and an elite fielder in his prime

Barry had better war by a lot...

I wouldn't expect a Kobe Stan who thinks the Oscar slap was fake to have any reasonable opinions though. You're literally retarded


you're a fool. they stick fat losers with no fielding skills in right and left field. if you have a strong arm it's the only job some guys can get other than first base and DH

if bonds was ever elite at defense he plays center, 2nd, 3rd, SS or catcher


those are the positions that win games for you on defense


it's why they stuck guys like Jose Canseco out on right field and manny ramirez in left


bonds never had anything g close to these kinds of highlights.


https://youtu.be/jXZTw-GtQcY


better hitter sure. but not by much. faster sure. but not by much. bonds was a 10 hitter and griffey was a 9. bonds was a 10 in speed and griffey was an 8. but as for fielding. bonds was a 6 and griffey was a 10


even if griffey never had a single hit he makes the hall of fame just from his defense

bonds would get cut without his offense

[AlternativeAcc.]

I dont care about your strawmans or your opinions in general. Bonds was a great defender who never committed errors. They put Barry in left in the 80s cause they already had a great defensive center fielder

Griffey being a slightly better defender doesn't make him the better player. Unless you think Ruth sucks? Ruth stopped pitching pretty early. He's regarded as the GOAT because of hitting. The guy sucked at defense

[John_Connor]

I dont care about your strawmans or your opinions in general. Bonds was a great defender who never committed errors. They put Barry in left in the 80s cause they already had a great defensive center fielder

Griffey being a slightly better defender doesn't make him the better player. Unless you think Ruth sucks? Ruth stopped pitching pretty early. He's regarded as the GOAT because of hitting. The guy sucked at defense

bonds was not a great defender. hence being put in left field. it's like saying a 1st baseman is a great fielder cause he has gold gloves

left and first base is where you stick your 2 worse defenders. right fielders need a strong arm for 3rd base throws. center has to cover tons of ground. it's literally where we stuck the girl on our baseball team when I was 10

it's for bums

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/besboe/why_are_left_fielders_more_batfocused_than/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


there's reddit threads about how pathetic it is to play left field lmao

[John_Connor]

I dont care about your strawmans or your opinions in general. Bonds was a great defender who never committed errors. They put Barry in left in the 80s cause they already had a great defensive center fielder

Griffey being a slightly better defender doesn't make him the better player. Unless you think Ruth sucks? Ruth stopped pitching pretty early. He's regarded as the GOAT because of hitting. The guy sucked at defense

there is no "slightly better" when comparing griffey to bonds defensively.

it's literally like top 5 all time for griffey to top 200/250 for bonds lmao


you're an absolute f*cking moron


he had no arm. he almost never dove or jumped for catches. he was a bitch

[AlternativeAcc.]

there is no "slightly better" when comparing griffey to bonds defensively.

it's literally like top 5 all time for griffey to top 200/250 for bonds lmao


you're an absolute f*cking moron


he had no arm. he almost never dove or jumped for catches. he was a bitch
Griffey wasn't the best center fielder defensively mays, Jones, and trout are better. And there's more.

He's not near top 5 all time defense, he might not even be top 5 at CF

Still doesn't matter because rWAR accounts for defense and bonds blows him out of the water. His plate discipline was other worldly which is why he walked at a much higher rate than Griffey. And a better base runner by a lot

The comparison just isn't all that close.

[John_Connor]

Griffey wasn't the best center fielder defensively mays, Jones, and trout are better. And there's more.

He's not near top 5 all time defense, he might not even be top 5 at CF

Still doesn't matter because rWAR accounts for defense and bonds blows him out of the water. His plate discipline was other worldly which is why he walked at a much higher rate than Griffey. And a better base runner by a lot

The comparison just isn't all that close.

Mays and Jones are arguably better defensively. nobody else is though. it wasn't just griffeys ability to make insane catches. he had a cannon for an arm. bonds had no power throwing the ball. he could maybe throw to 3rd or 2nd. griffey was throwing guys out at home plate.

you just don't have any grasp on this discussion.

the fact that you said griffey was only slightly better than bonds defensively ruined your entire credibility. so did you saying everyone took steroids


such blatant ignorance. I bet you think frank thomas took steroids too huh lol

[John_Connor]

https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/greatest-left-fielders-of-all-time


bonds didn't even make this list for the best defensive left fielders.. nowhere to be found lmao


https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/16970754/ranking-top-10-center-fielders-ever


griffey 4th on this list

[AlternativeAcc.]

Yeah Griffey had a stronger arm and Bonds was more accurate

So Griffey was better at one thing than bonds. Bonds blows home out of the water on any metric you wanna post or talk about

Griffey was better than Ruth in the field too, whose better though? Forget about pitching

[AlternativeAcc.]

https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/greatest-left-fielders-of-all-time


bonds didn't even make this list for the best defensive left fielders.. nowhere to be found lmao


https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/16970754/ranking-top-10-center-fielders-ever


griffey 4th on this list

Crowd ranked :roll:

You're literally a ****ing retard.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Baseball-Reference.com
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/tz_runs_total_lf_career.shtml

Here's some real data

[AlternativeAcc.]

Baseball-Reference.com
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/tz_runs_total_cf_career.shtml

Wheres Griffey on the list? 230 :roll:

Bonds is ahead at CF :roll:

[John_Connor]

Yeah Griffey had a stronger arm and Bonds was more accurate

So Griffey was better at one thing than bonds. Bonds blows home out of the water on any metric you wanna post or talk about

Griffey was better than Ruth in the field too, whose better though? Forget about pitching

theres nothing bonds did defensively better than griffey. weak arm, weak position. barely any highlights.

and truthfully it wasn't that much of an advantage offensively for bonds pre roids

look at their 1990's per 162 game averages


1990-1999 Griffey:

.302 average, 44 homeruns, 125 RBI, 115 runs

1990-1999 Bonds:

.302 average, 41 homeruns, 122 RBI, 123 runs

if it wasn't for stolen bases he wouldn't have been considered better on offense pre juicing


and thats the middle of bonds prime while griffeys years include his first few years learning the big leagues. if we take his best 7 year clean stretch from 1993-2000 griffeys 162 game averages were 52 homeruns a season and 136 RBI

bonds never even hit 50+ once clean

[John_Connor]

Baseball-Reference.com
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/tz_runs_total_cf_career.shtml

Wheres Griffey on the list? 230 :roll:

Bonds is ahead at CF :roll:


griffey had to play center for the reds with no DH in the NL after his injury issues for the last half of his career idiot LOL

[AlternativeAcc.]

theres nothing bonds did defensively better than griffey. weak arm, weak position. barely any highlights.

and truthfully it wasn't that much of an advantage offensively for bonds pre roids

look at their 1990's per 162 game averages


1990-1999 Griffey:

.302 average, 44 homeruns, 125 RBI, 115 runs

1990-1999 Bonds:

.302 average, 41 homeruns, 122 RBI, 123 runs

if it wasn't for stolen bases he wouldn't have been considered better on offense pre juicing


and thats the middle of bonds prime while griffeys years include his first few years learning the big leagues. if we take his best 7 year clean stretch from 1993-2000 griffeys 162 game averages were 52 homeruns a season and 136 RBI

bonds never even hit 50+ once clean

Yeah Bonds only had 100s of more walks and stolen bases, no biggie! Lmao you know nothing about baseball.

You know nothing about any subject :lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

griffey had to play center for the reds with no DH in the NL after his injury issues for the last half of his career idiot LOL

Crowd ranked bro! Lmfao. You're an embarrassment.

[John_Connor]

Yeah Bonds only had 100s of more walks and stolen bases, no biggie! Lmao you know nothing about baseball.

You know nothing about any subject :lol

and i acknowledged the stolen bases dumbass. thats why i said without them they would be similar offensively. griffey at his peak was far more productive. bonds got more walks. ok... but his average pre roids wasn't any better

griffey could keep up with mark mcgwire and other roid abusers in homeruns most years and even led the league in them over juicers. people forget he was on pace for 62+ in 94 before the strike

and without injuries griffey hits 800+ career home runs easily


the fact that bonds knew he had to cheat to be in the spotlight with him was an admittance of being inferior

he was jealous of the attention griffey got. bonds wanted to be on the cover of every video game and in commercials for nike as their brand representative.


bonds never had michael jordan hunting him down for autographs

bonds wasn't part of that elite group. he was an outcast even before steroids. nobody liked the guy and thats why he will never make the hall of fame. he just missed his last chance to make it this year

[John_Connor]

your idol didn't ask for shoes from barry lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mjjzZiEfsc

[John_Connor]

imagine being a fan of cheaters/roid abusers that dress up as a woman

https://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/004/623/Barry_Bonds_234178c_display_image.jpg?1307916036


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C00xcxYVQAEZ0nP.jpg

:roll:

[warriorfan]

Griffey over bonds is some low iq shit lol. Bonds didn’t have the biggest arm but had a very quick release and was accurate. He would throw out tons of guys all the time. Bonds was much faster and better on the base path. Bonds has the greatest plate iq and batting eye of all time. Any argument of Griffey over bonds is just intellectually dishonest and retarded. AL is easier to hit in because of the DH. With DH you have another free great batter to protect your star by batting behind them…making it harder for the other team to intentionally walk your best player or to just pitch around him where it’s not technically an intentional walk…it basically is. They would be scared to give him anything even close and walk him on 4 or 5 pitches. But even on these at bats, all Barry would need is one pitch, one slip up, and it was over. I was a bigger baseball fan then you for my entire life. When Barry joined the Giants in 93 he was universally accepted as the best player in the game. There wasn’t a debate. There isn’t new data coming out now adays that refutes this, if anything the new data just gives more evidence on Bond’s greatness.

Griffey was never in Bond’s league. End of story.

[John_Connor]

Griffey over bonds is some low iq shit lol. Bonds didn’t have the biggest arm but had a very quick release and was accurate. He would throw out tons of guys all the time. Bonds was much faster and better on the base path. Bonds has the greatest plate iq and batting eye of all time. Any argument of Griffey over bonds is just intellectually dishonest and retarded. AL is easier to hit in because of the DH. With DH you have another free great batter to protect your star by batting behind them…making it harder for the other team to intentionally walk your best player or to just pitch around him where it’s not technically an intentional walk…it basically is. They would be scared to give him anything even close and walk him on 4 or 5 pitches. But even on these at bats, all Barry would need is one pitch, one slip up, and it was over. I was a bigger baseball fan then you for my entire life. When Barry joined the Giants in 93 he was universally accepted as the best player in the game. There wasn’t a debate. There isn’t new data coming out now adays that refutes this, if anything the new data just gives more evidence on Bond’s greatness.

Griffey was never in Bond’s league. End of story.

again. i said bonds was better offensively. but not by much. griffey in his prime is one of the greatest defensive players ever. bonds played the 2nd worst position.


Bonds pre roids:
batting - 10
power - 9
speed - 10
fielding - 6
arm - 5
position value - 2
respect - 5

90's Griffey:
batting - 9
power - 10
speed - 8
fielding - 10
arm - 10
position value - 10
respect - 10



you can scream till you're blue in the face and shitting your diaper about how bonds was the goat hitter when juicing and one of the best pre roids offensively. but that simply isn't the end all be all

[warriorfan]

again. i said bonds was better offensively. but not by much. griffey in his prime is one of the greatest defensive players ever. bonds played the 2nd worst position.


Bonds pre roids:
batting - 10
power - 9
speed - 10
fielding - 6
arm - 5
position value - 2
respect - 5

90's Griffey:
batting - 9
power - 10
speed - 8
fielding - 10
arm - 10
position value - 10
respect - 10



you can scream till you're blue in the face and shitting your diaper about how bonds was the goat hitter when juicing and one of the best pre roids offensively. but that simply isn't the end all be all

You don’t know shit about baseball

[John_Connor]

You don’t know shit about baseball

i know that you prefer a roid absuing bitch left fielder drag queen over the most naturally gifted 2 way player since willie mays


this is why bonds will never get in the hall of fame. idiots like you that don't recognize his cheating is why we can't celebrate him. you need humility to be accepted and bonds/his fans possess none


bonds was never even able to hit 50 homeruns without steroids. griffey nearly hit 60 2 times and would have in 94 if not for the strike


he was our mickey mantle growing up. nobody cares about your fat headed bitch boy

[warriorfan]

Skinny Barry has 5 seasons with greater OPS+ then Griffey’s best season.

And that’s not even getting into stolen bases.

You are mentally ill.

[John_Connor]

Skinny Barry has 5 seasons with greater OPS+ then Griffey’s best season.

And that’s not even getting into stolen bases.

You are mentally ill.

and like i said he was better offensively. on defense he played a weak position and had almost no great plays and had no arm. he played a position they stuck guys like manny ramirez in because its either that or you DH and he couldn't in the NL

[John_Connor]

its basically like comparing michael jordan and lebron james


jordan is griffey. lebron is bonds... one guy took juice to play great for longer and collect more stats. lebron can do more things on one end yes. but jordan was one of the best in the world for 10 years on BOTH ENDS like griffey.. while lebron was kind of a shit on ball defender and never took the other teams best player defensively


defense and clutch play is what separates jordan and lebron. and griffey was also extremely clutch and had timely homeruns and winning plays. he was just better in the moment.

[warriorfan]

its basically like comparing michael jordan and lebron james


jordan is griffey. lebron is bonds... one guy took juice to play great for longer and collect more stats. lebron can do more things on one end yes. but jordan was one of the best in the world for 10 years on BOTH ENDS like griffey.. while lebron was kind of a shit on ball defender and never took the other teams best player defensively


defense and clutch play is what separates jordan and lebron. and griffey was also extremely clutch and had timely homeruns and winning plays. he was just better in the moment.

Stop talking about Steroid Barry

We talking skinny Barry here

Skinny Barry was a much better player then Griffey. There’s no factual argument that can go against this.

[John_Connor]

Stop talking about Steroid Barry

We talking skinny Barry here

Skinny Barry was a much better player then Griffey. There’s no factual argument that can go against this.

but he wasn't. i already posted their average per 162 games and bonds literally only had an advantage from getting walked more and stealing more bases

and on defense he played the worst position while griffey played the toughest one



you notice the worst defensive players ever play left field and the greatest players ever play center like griffey, trout, cobb, dimaggio, mays, mantle etc...


bonds is in the class with manny ramirez, gary sheffield, adam dunn and fat babe ruth lmao


did you know if the ball is hit to right center or left center its the job of the center fielder to tell the other 2 guys to f*ck off and get out of the way

[warriorfan]

but he wasn't. i already posted their average per 162 games and bonds literally only had an advantage from getting walked more and stealing more bases

and on defense he played the worst position while griffey played the toughest one



you notice the worst defensive players ever play left field and the greatest players ever play center like griffey, trout, cobb, dimaggio, mays, mantle etc...


bonds is in the class with manny ramirez, gary sheffield, adam dunn and fat babe ruth lmao


did you know if the ball is hit to right center or left center its the job of the center fielder to tell the other 2 guys to f*ck off and get out of the way

:kobe:

[John_Connor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq3hEMUeBGQ


does left field have its own song? nope

legends play center. girls play left field

[warriorfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq3hEMUeBGQ


does left field have its own song? nope

legends play center. girls play left field

******s who don’t know anything about baseball argue any version of Barry bonds over Griffey

[John_Connor]

******s who don’t know anything about baseball argue any version of Barry bonds over Griffey

why can't bonds fans just live with him being better offensively. griffey was just the more complete 2 way player

[warriorfan]

why can't bonds fans just live with him being better offensively. griffey was just the more complete 2 way player

When did teams ever pitch around Griffey like they did Bonds? Bonds created way more problems for teams offensively then Griffey did defensively. Did teams ever alter their entire game plan around Griffey in the field like they did for Bonds on offense? Look at any defensive metric and the difference between Griffey and Bonds defensively is far smaller than the difference of Bonds and Griffey offensively. Griffey was great but there are levels. If Griffey is Kobe then Barry is MJ.

[John_Connor]

When did teams ever pitch around Griffey like they did Bonds? Bonds created way more problems for teams offensively then Griffey did defensively. Did teams ever alter their entire game plan around Griffey in the field like they did for Bonds on offense? Look at any defensive metric and the difference between Griffey and Bonds defensively is far smaller than the difference of Bonds and Griffey offensively. Griffey was great but there are levels. If Griffey is Kobe then Barry is MJ.


you act like griffey was never walked. he averaged 91 walks per 162 games for 8 years

bonds averaged 129 walks for the 90s before steroids

40 more times on base for 162 games is like one more time on first base every 4 games. big deal.. if it translated to anything it would show up in the runs scored but they had about the same output ( 123 per 162 games for bonds, 115 for griffey

so even with all those walks and stolen bases he gifted his team 8 more runs all season

griffey saved more than 8 runs playing center

[warriorfan]

you act like griffey was never walked. he averaged 91 walks per 162 games for 8 years

bonds averaged 129 walks for the 90s before steroids

40 more times on base for 162 games is like one more time on first base every 4 games. big deal.. if it translated to anything it would show up in the runs scored but they had about the same output ( 123 per 162 games for bonds, 115 for griffey

so even with all those walks and stolen bases he gifted his team 8 more runs all season

griffey saved more than 8 runs playing center

Nope

[John_Connor]

Nope

so you don't think griffey saves more than 8 runs over 162 games playing center field

he probly saved a few runs each game lmao

[AlternativeAcc.]

Bonds average WAR from 1990-98: 8.7

Griffen Jr: 6.8

WAR accounts for defense and position of course.

Not even close.

Griffey is probably the most overrated defender ever. In his prime the metrics say he's about 10-15 at his position. For a career he's one of the worst ever

Bonds is rated as pretty much the best defensive left fielder ever in his prime.

Go play with your toy belts kenny

[TheMan]

the nba kills off its stars to prop up others and hold onto the past. everything is an attack on someone. the media hates white players. the media hates foreign players. and both are taking over the league. hyping up the wrong guys like curry, Ja and holding onto lebron out of fear to embrace luka, embiid, jokic and giannis. no love for booker or herro. no love for Toronto. I'm glad it's almost over

because it's the COMPLETE OPPOSITE over in baseball

the media loves Toronto and wants them to win the American league over the Yankees and redox

there's as many if not more stars right now and upcoming guys with all time talent as the 90s


legendary players right now

- Shohei Ohtani (the next babe ruth)
- Mike Trout (the next mickey mantle)
- Vladimir Guerrero Jr (the next frank thomas)
- Juan Soto (Tony Gwynn with power)
- Ronald Acuna Jr ( the next Willie Mays)
- Fernando Tatis Jr (the next Alex rodriguez)
- Luis Robert ( the next Ken Griffey Jr )


legendary talents coming up right now

- Bobby witt Jr ( the next chipper jones )
- Wander Franco ( completely unique all time talent )
- Julio Rodriguez ( another possible griffey )


and then there's the usual stars

- Bryce Harper
- Mookie Betts
- Jose Ramirez
- Carlos Corea
- Trea Turner
- Bo Bichette
- Aaron judge
- Will Smith
- Alex Bregman
- Corey Seiger
- Marcus Semien
- Manny Machado
- Freddie Freeman

and probly a dozen other huge names. don't care to discuss pitchers unless they hit 40+ homeruns



I stopped watching baseball for a long time. the sport did a horrible job promoting its stars up until about 4 or 5 years ago and now they have the most stars out of any league. by far the most all time talent. this should be a historic season and would have been even better if tatis wasn't injured cause he might be the best talent I've ever seen. if you wanna get into baseball now is the time to watch some games again

How the hell could you not include Tim Anderson? He has had the best batting average since 2019 :facepalm

[Wally450]

The MLB is piss poor at marketing their players. Hell, Mike Trout is arguably the best player in baseball and you could walk by him walking down the street and not notice him.

I agree that baseball has a ton of talent and stars, they just don't know how to market the players to the fans.

[John_Connor]

The MLB is piss poor at marketing their players. Hell, Mike Trout is arguably the best player in baseball and you could walk by him walking down the street and not notice him.

I agree that baseball has a ton of talent and stars, they just don't know how to market the players to the fans.


this could be said about a lot of stars in the NHL, MLB and NFL

nba players are freaks so they stand out more

[John_Connor]

Bonds average WAR from 1990-98: 8.7

Griffen Jr: 6.8

WAR accounts for defense and position of course.

Not even close.

Griffey is probably the most overrated defender ever. In his prime the metrics say he's about 10-15 at his position. For a career he's one of the worst ever

Bonds is rated as pretty much the best defensive left fielder ever in his prime.

Go play with your toy belts kenny

griffey missed most of a season in 95 and that war stuff is way too favorable to stolen bases. like I said if it translated to anything g special bonds would have way more runs scored. he didn't. just a few more and griffey saved probly 100 runs playing center field. defense in a key position is infinitely more important to a team winning than offense is when comparing guys with similar stats. having a minor advantage in runs/ stolwn bases or on base % for a DH, 1st baseman and left fielder is practically insignificant when comparing it to a legendary center fielder with the same average and more homeruns, rbis and the same batting average with plenty of runs himself. bonds didn't help save his team runs like griffey did

[warriorfan]

American League always has more runs scored. It’s easier to score runs in the American League. Designated Hitter.

[Charlie Sheen]

Griffey wasn't Barry's peer as a hitter. He's not even in the class of Pujols or Manny. There's no measure of defense you can argue to bridge that gap.

[John_Connor]

American League always has more runs scored. It’s easier to score runs in the American League. Designated Hitter.

so you think bonds didn't have a guy batting behind him?

bobby Bonilla, Andy van slyke, Matt Williams, will Clark, Glen Allen Hill, JT snow, Jeff Kent, Ellis Burks, rich aurillia, David bell, Reggie sanders, marquis Grissom, jose Cruz, Ray Durham, Pedro feliz


I'm sure a few of these guys were driving barry home.. the pitcher being a Hitter doesn't mean the ****ing pitchers hit at cleanup lmao


I only really remember Jeff Kent hitting in front of barry. other guys might have too but a lot of those guys can't run for shit so I bet the slow ones batted behind him

[warriorfan]

so you think bonds didn't have a guy batting behind him?

bobby Bonilla, Andy van slyke, Matt Williams, will Clark, Glen Allen Hill, JT snow, Jeff Kent, Ellis Burks, rich aurillia, David bell, Reggie sanders, marquis Grissom, jose Cruz, Ray Durham, Pedro feliz


I'm sure a few of these guys were driving barry home.. the pitcher being a Hitter doesn't mean the ****ing pitchers hit at cleanup lmao


I only really remember Jeff Kent hitting in front of barry. other guys might have too but a lot of those guys can't run for shit so I bet the slow ones batted behind him

AL teams score more runs every year. Instead of a free out for the other team you get a stud hitter. You never have to yank your pitcher to get a clutch pinch hit opportunity. Your star players get better protection in the line up and more chances to get driven home and drive runs home. DH makes a big difference.

[AlternativeAcc.]

so you think bonds didn't have a guy batting behind him?

bobby Bonilla, Andy van slyke, Matt Williams, will Clark, Glen Allen Hill, JT snow, Jeff Kent, Ellis Burks, rich aurillia, David bell, Reggie sanders, marquis Grissom, jose Cruz, Ray Durham, Pedro feliz


I'm sure a few of these guys were driving barry home.. the pitcher being a Hitter doesn't mean the ****ing pitchers hit at cleanup lmao


I only really remember Jeff Kent hitting in front of barry. other guys might have too but a lot of those guys can't run for shit so I bet the slow ones batted behind him
Nobody who knows what they're taking about talks about runs or RBIs because they're completely circumstantial.

We're not judging who had better teammates or anything like that. You can only compare what each actually did at the plate and Bonds blows Griffey out of the water. Theyre not in the same tier. When you get on base like Bonds did and steal at a much higher clip, the offensive gap is far greater than any defensive gap you wanna pretend to argue.

Bonds has the best eyes of all time which makes this not fair for Griffey.

Griffeys highest OPS+ season was 171, Bonds has five seasons better than Griffeys best

Just blows him out of the ****ing water.

[John_Connor]

AL teams score more runs every year. Instead of a free out for the other team you get a stud hitter. You never have to yank your pitcher to get a clutch pinch hit opportunity. Your star players get better protection in the line up and more chances to get driven home and drive runs home. DH makes a big difference.


and like I said before. that's why bonds got his first 3 mvps. no competition. but the overall scoring has nothing to do with bonds position in the lineup being surrounded by great hitters. the only guys that would have suffered were the 6/7/8 spots and lead off after the first inning.

bonds teams were still pretty loaded regardless. I gave you a list of power hitters that bonds acted in front of and behind. stop trying to act like he was by himself

[John_Connor]

Nobody who knows what they're taking about talks about runs or RBIs because they're completely circumstantial.

We're not judging who had better teammates or anything like that. You can only compare what each actually did at the plate and Bonds blows Griffey out of the water. Theyre not in the same tier. When you get on base like Bonds did and steal at a much higher clip, the offensive gap is far greater than any defensive gap you wanna pretend to argue.

Bonds has the best eyes of all time which makes this not fair for Griffey.

Griffeys highest OPS+ season was 171, Bonds has five seasons better than Griffeys best

Just blows him out of the ****ing water.

runs and rbis are somewhat circumstantial. it depends on where you hit in the lineup. so comparing griffey and bonds to a 7/8/9 hitter wouldn't be fair. but they both hit with guys protecting them and getting on base so you're just being a moron

[AlternativeAcc.]

runs and rbis are somewhat circumstantial. it depends on where you hit in the lineup. so comparing griffey and bonds to a 7/8/9 hitter wouldn't be fair. but they both hit with guys protecting them and getting on base so you're just being a moron

If I was being a moron I'd be arguing Griffey over Bonds.



Griffey so flashy and cool doe!

[John_Connor]

If I was being a moron I'd be arguing Griffey over Bonds.



Griffey so flashy and cool doe!

griffey was the better 2 way player. sorry. it's not even debatable. bonds had a slight advantage in hitting and griffey played an infinitely more valuable position and was a gold glove winner at it 10 straight years

[AlternativeAcc.]

griffey was the better 2 way player. sorry. it's not even debatable. bonds had a slight advantage in hitting and griffey played an infinitely more valuable position and was a gold glove winner at it 10 straight years

There's no slight advantage on offense. Bonds blows him out of the water

And rhe defensive shit was debunked. Grifeys an overrated defender

But hey you think Ruth is the GOAT right?

[John_Connor]

There's no slight advantage on offense. Bonds blows him out of the water

And rhe defensive shit was debunked. Grifeys an overrated defender

But hey you think Ruth is the GOAT right?

but he didn't blow him out of the water. for the 90s they hit the same average. griffey averaged like 5 more homeruns and rbis over 162 games. Bonds averaged 5 more runs and more walks. stole more bases. their production was very similar before bonds did steroids


you're just going based on some BS analytical data that over values stolen bases. if it only contributed to a few more runs scored over 162 games then its obviously not a big deal

being a great center fielder is waaaaaaaaay more valuable than having slightly more runs scored. at the end of the day that's all that truly matters. getting from first to 2nd and only getting around the bases 5 more times out of the 40 bases you stole over 162 games is a minimal impact compared to the hundreds if runs griffey was saving his team

[John_Connor]

But hey you think Ruth is the GOAT right?

if bonds hit 250 to 300 homeruns a season ( since Ruth hit more homeruns than entire teams ) and bonds was a dominant pitcher before becoming a hitter then I would put him over griffey as well


I dont compare Ruth's numbers to today's guys. what he did compared to other guys in the league is why he's the goat. not the fact that he hit 715 Homer's and hit 60 in a season or had analytics on his side. those numbers don't even register for today's pace


Ruth hitting 715 is like a guy hitting 5000 homeruns in a career now

[AlternativeAcc.]

but he didn't blow him out of the water. for the 90s they hit the same average. griffey averaged like 5 more homeruns and rbis over 162 games. Bonds averaged 5 more runs and more walks. stole more bases. their production was very similar before bonds did steroids


you're just going based on some BS analytical data that over values stolen bases. if it only contributed to a few more runs scored over 162 games then its obviously not a big deal

being a great center fielder is waaaaaaaaay more valuable than having slightly more runs scored. at the end of the day that's all that truly matters. getting from first to 2nd and only getting around the bases 5 more times out of the 40 bases you stole over 162 games is a minimal impact compared to the hundreds if runs griffey was saving his team

We've already went over this dip shit

Runs and RBIs are teammate dependent

OBP and stolen bases arent..... and you're making the argument for bonds by bringing up runs. If a guy has a significantly higher OBP and significantly more stolen bases... then he's MUCH MORE value to his team than the the guy who strikes out more, gets on base less, and steals way less bases. And Bonds wasn't ichiro. He out slugged Griffey too so you can't make that argument either

Go ahead and find me a stat that says Griffey saved hundred of runs in the outfield.

He's rated as one of the worst outfielders ever. So he went from being the best to the worst because of knee issues? He was overrated from the beginning and misread balls which led to some diving plays. All flash no substance

[John_Connor]

We've already went over this dip shit

Runs and RBIs are teammate dependent

OBP and stolen bases arent..... and you're making the argument for bonds by bringing up runs. If a guy has a significantly higher OBP and significantly more stolen bases... then he's MUCH MORE value to his team than the the guy who strikes out more, gets on base less, and steals way less bases. And Bonds wasn't ichiro. He out slugged Griffey too so you can't make that argument either

Go ahead and find me a stat that says Griffey saved hundred of runs in the outfield.

He's rated as one of the worst outfielders ever. So he went from being the best to the worst because of knee issues? He was overrated from the beginning and misread balls which led to some diving plays. All flash no substance

and I already explained to you that both griffey and bonds had good hitters around them and they batted in the same spot in the order. you only use analytics to compare guys with less opportunities

and are you seriously arguing that griffey didn't prevent at least one run every game or so with a catch that a regular fielder wouldn't have gotten to? or having a good throw to 2nd? or 3rd? also being able to get it to home plate to stop runners from rounding 3rd. I would say more runs are saved by a great fielder than runs can ever be produced by any single guy

[AlternativeAcc.]

and I already explained to you that both griffey and bonds had good hitters around them and they batted in the same spot in the order. you only use analytics to compare guys with less opportunities

and are you seriously arguing that griffey didn't prevent at least one run every game or so with a catch that a regular fielder wouldn't have gotten to? or having a good throw to 2nd? or 3rd? also being able to get it to home plate to stop runners from rounding 3rd. I would say more runs are saved by a great fielder than runs can ever be produced by any single guy

Yes that's what I'm arguing

If anything Bonds saved more runs in left than Griffey did in center field.

You think Griffey saved 100+ runs every year?

You're the dumbest mother ****er ever. :oldlol:

[John_Connor]

Yes that's what I'm arguing

If anything Bonds saved more runs in left than Griffey did in center field.



and we're done here. you can leave

[AlternativeAcc.]

Bonds actually played a year in center field and was great

Despite having a weaker arm than Griffey. His anticipatory skills were much greater and he had a much more accurate arm

So Bonds had elite positioning and speed, had he played center field for most of his career he'd have been a better center fielder than Griffey for sure

[John_Connor]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mlb.com/amp/news/statcast-looks-at-value-of-center-field-skill-c265821200.html

https://i.ibb.co/MPVtZ5j/Screenshot-20220412-162914-Gallery.jpg

and that's comparing the average center fielder. griffey would be even more

[AlternativeAcc.]

and we're done here. you can leave

You're mad I'm destroying your straw man's too :oldlol:

Go play with your toy belts little guy

[AlternativeAcc.]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mlb.com/amp/news/statcast-looks-at-value-of-center-field-skill-c265821200.html

https://i.ibb.co/MPVtZ5j/Screenshot-20220412-162914-Gallery.jpg

and that's comparing the average center fielder. griffey would be even more

We know Bonds had better positioning, speed, and anticipatory skills so he'd have been a better center fielder than Griffey

You think Griffey is great because he misread balls and had to make diving plays :oldlol:

Bonds was quicker and had better positioning

Hes the best left fielder of all time defensively and saved more runs than Griffey did in center

It's a statistical fact


Also, he blows him out of the water on offense.

Bonds > Griffey by a huge margin

[John_Connor]

You're mad I'm destroying your straw man's too :oldlol:

Go play with your toy belts little guy

says the guy who thinks a left fielder has more put outs than a center fielder

:facepalm

[John_Connor]

We know Bonds had better positioning, speed, and anticipatory skills so he'd have been a better center fielder than Griffey

You think Griffey is great because he misread balls and had to make diving plays :oldlol:

Bonds was quicker and had better positioning

Hes the best left fielder of all time defensively and saved more runs than Griffey did in center

It's a statistical fact


Also, he blows him out of the water on offense.

Bonds > Griffey by a huge margin

stop posting in my thread. you destroyed your credibility

[AlternativeAcc.]

and we're done here. you can leave


stop posting in my thread. you destroyed your credibility

You think Griffey saved 100+ runs A YEAR.

:oldlol:

You might be the most autistic human on the planet.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Positioning is far more important than arm strength in center field

And arm strength without accuracy is almost worthless

Obviously a retard who plays with toy belts and never played sports wouldn't know this.

[John_Connor]

You think Griffey saved 100+ runs A YEAR.

:oldlol:

You might be the most autistic human on the planet.


truthfully it's probly more than 100

https://i.ibb.co/tDcC6mQ/Screenshot-20220412-164924-Gallery.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/qMPnvJT/Screenshot-20220412-164927-Gallery.jpg


griffey probly fielded 800 to 900 hits per 162 games considering this was the league average


and center field has way more out outs than left

[AlternativeAcc.]

The vast majority of plays in the outfield are routine plays

There's a stat that tracks how many runs you save relative to an average defender.

The best guys typically save about 10 runs more than an average fielder

And arm strength isn't what is typically saving runs. It's positioning, reaction time, and ground covered

Bonds was the smarter and faster player, so there no doubt in my mind he would've saved more runs than Griffey in center. Pitates just happened to have a guy who was all time elite in center so they stuck Bonds in left and he never changed

Good try tho buddy. Your 1st grade arguments are pretty cute. Quite embarrassing for a 40+ year old tho

[John_Connor]

The vast majority of plays in the outfield are routine plays

There's a stat that tracks how many runs you save relative to an average defender.

The best guys typically save about 10 runs more than an average fielder

And arm strength isn't what is typically saving runs. It's positioning, reaction time, and ground covered

Bonds was the smarter and faster player, so there no doubt in my mind he would've saved more runs than Griffey in center. Pitates just happened to have a guy who was all time elite in center so they stuck Bonds in left and he never changed

Good try tho buddy. Your 1st grade arguments are pretty cute. Quite embarrassing for a 40+ year old tho

damn only 10 runs all year?. well shit. why doesn't every team just sign a bunch of jose Canseco's then


youl only give up 1 more hit every 16 games or so




























get the f*ck out of my thread

[AlternativeAcc.]

damn only 10 runs all year?. well shit. why doesn't every team just sign a bunch of jose Canseco's then


youl only give up 1 more hit every 16 games or so




























get the f*ck out of my thread

You sound like a toddler

You can't keep up with reality so you keep crying for me to get out :lol

Have you ever been right about anything?

[John_Connor]

You sound like a toddler

You can't keep up with reality so you keep crying for me to get out :lol

Have you ever been right about anything?

so you're honestly sticking with your rhetoric that Bonds made more plays in left field than griffey did in center and only 10 plays of 800 result in saving runs






get the **** out of my thread

[AlternativeAcc.]

so you're honestly sticking with your rhetoric that Bonds made more plays in left field than griffey did in center and only 10 plays of 800 result in saving runs






get the **** out of my thread

So post how Griffey saved 100s of runs a year. When you say the word saved, you're automatically comparing him to an average defender. Runs saved means you made a play that otherwise would've been a run for an average fielder

Just simply playing the center field position doesn't mean you get credit for literally fielding more balls, many of which are routine plays that every player makes.

This is all basic stuff but your mom was a Crack whore and your dad a worthless alcoholic. Your brain doesn't work very well.

[John_Connor]

So post how Griffey saved 100s of runs a year. When you say the word saved, you're automatically comparing him to an average defender. Runs saved means you made a play that otherwise would've been a run for an average fielder

Just simply playing the center field position doesn't mean you get credit for literally fielding more balls, many of which are routine plays that every player makes.

This is all basic stuff but your mom was a Crack whore and your dad a worthless alcoholic. Your brain doesn't work very well.

why are you still here. I told you to get the **** out of my thread.

and I watched every mariners game I could back in the day and every time I saw griffey make a great catch or put out at 2nd or 3rd... at LEAST once every game or 2

[AlternativeAcc.]

why are you still here. I told you to get the **** out of my thread.

and I watched every mariners game I could back in the day and every time I saw griffey make a great catch or put out at 2nd or 3rd... at LEAST once every game or 2

Your eyes saw that the will Smith slap was fake. Nobody cares what your ugly crack baby eyes see :oldlol:

I'm still here destroying you. You can't rage quit me like you did your social life

[John_Connor]

Your eyes saw that the will Smith slap was fake. Nobody cares what your ugly crack baby eyes see :oldlol:

I'm still here destroying you. You can't rage quit me like you did your social life

tell us more how bonds did more than griffey in left field and how jose canseco would only give up 10 more hits a year than him

[warriorfan]

tell us more how bonds did more than griffey in left field and how jose canseco would only give up 10 more hits a year than him

Tell us more on how Griffey is equal to Bonds on offense if you just completely disregard the whole steals and walks thing

:lol

[John_Connor]

Tell us more on how Griffey is equal to Bonds on offense if you just completely disregard the whole steals and walks thing

:lol

when did I say that. I said bonds had a slight advantage with stolen bases and walks but it only contributed to a few more runs on the season while griffey batted in more and played a way tougher position

[AlternativeAcc.]

tell us more how bonds did more than griffey in left field and how jose canseco would only give up 10 more hits a year than him

Canseco is one of the worst fielders ever, just like Griffey in the 2000s when he couldn't rely on speed to make plays. :lol

You tried to build up a straw man, it got destroyed, and now you're ignoring basic facts about the game. Yikes

[Charlie Sheen]

when did I say that. I said bonds had a slight advantage with stolen bases and walks but it only contributed to a few more runs on the season while griffey batted in more and played a way tougher position

Was CF a way tougher position when all of your home games are played inside of a dome?

[John_Connor]

Was CF a way tougher position when all of your home games are played inside of a dome?

they still cover the same ground inside. odd question


and its much harder on your body fielding on that old style turf over concrete. the bounces are way worse and there's more injuries

[John_Connor]

Canseco is one of the worst fielders ever, just like Griffey in the 2000s when he couldn't rely on speed to make plays. :lol

You tried to build up a straw man, it got destroyed, and now you're ignoring basic facts about the game. Yikes

yeah let's rip on post injury plagued fat reds griffey.. reminds me of your post Achilles kobe rhetoric.

how many times do I have to tell you to get the f*ck outa here

[Charlie Sheen]

they still cover the same ground inside. odd question


and its much harder on your body fielding on that old style turf over concrete. the bounces are way worse and there's more injuries

The ball travels much differently between day and night. That's before you even consider Barry played his first 5 or 6 years at candlestick where wind was a major issue for fielders.

In a dome nothing changes.

[John_Connor]

The ball travels much differently between day and night. That's before you even consider Barry played his first 5 or 6 years at candlestick where wind was a major issue for fielders.

In a dome nothing changes.

most of griffeys greatest catches were on away games in open ball parks. and believe me. fielders prefer a real field over rock hard turf

[Big_Dogg]

Baseball, a sport nobody gives a shit about except Americans, Cubans and the Japanese but carry on like it is the greatest sport in the world, boring as bat shit and hyped up beyond compare vs the NBA which is watched and loved around the world, pull your heads out of your asses, what's next, Ice Hockey?

Morons
Losers &
Bitches

[John_Connor]

Baseball, a sport nobody gives a shit about except Americans, Cubans and the Japanese but carry on like it is the greatest sport in the world, boring as bat shit and hyped up beyond compare vs the NBA which is watched and loved around the world, pull your heads out of your asses, what's next, Ice Hockey?

Morons
Losers &
Bitches

ummm... baseball is more loved worldwide than the NFL. but I'm not gonna sit here and try and say baseball is bigger than American football. it's the #1 sport by far in the United States and that means it'd the #1 sport in the world because even as a Canadian I can admit that the center of the universe is the united states of America. every country speaks English for a reason. go anywhere in the world and head into any market or any food location and a guy will be there waiting for you saying "yes yes we have we have. me make it good for you" or "I do this special deal for you!" (as they punch away on a calculator)


nobody gives a shit about cricket. its basically as popular worldwide as soccer. does it matter? nope


baseball is right there with basketball as runners up to the NFL right now since lebrons regressed the league and let baseball back in the discussion. it's actually my favorite sport to watch during the post season. it has far more strategy and is way more compelling than the nba. it also isn't as flukey as the NFL. I will admit the regular season can be boring if you don't have a team. but when somethings on the line it's like a game of chess while basketball is like checkers. the intelligence factor us 10 fold.

and what other sport has as many legendary players. baseball has so many more than any other sport. nobody today gives 2 ahits about Jerry west or elgin Baylor or Bob could or John havlicek or Bill Russell. you might find one guy that likes wilt

but then bring up names like babe ruth. mickey mantle , ty Cobb, Joe dimaggio, Lou gehrig, shoeless Joe Jackson and people light up. basketball, football and hockey have maybe one major motion picture each that defines its history. from Hoosiers to Rudy to miracle on ice. baseball has a dozen movies like that from the natural to field of dreams to the sandlot to money ball to rookie of the year to angels in the outfield to a league of their own to the fan to major league to the rookie. it never ends

you know why? because baseball is timeless. it's our first favorite sport. we grow up playing it. it's who we idolize first. it's a true past time and that lives on forever

I feel sorry for you if you didn't grow up like I did with Ken griffey jr on the cover of everything. he was as big as Michael jordan in the 90s. guys today that love bonds never even watched the man play in the 90s. theyre all kids with analytical hats on. they like stats and reading box scores from before they were born. the truth is nobody even knew barry bonds existed before he took steroids. no one under 20 at least. every kid was into griffey or frank thomas or Mark mcgwire or sammy sosa. that was the 90s. and since then it's been pretty rough but it's come back strong over the past 4 or 5 years. and with the way the nba has shot themselves in the foot driving away fans I wouldn't be surprised if it took over the #2 spot for good