Our media has fallen so far that this guy posted this 2 years ago...

[Shogon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU

And nobody in main stream media has run with this story in any substantive manner? In fact, we were told that the fact that covid came from a lab was "fake news" / "conspiracy theory" despite the fact that, as the OP video says, all of the information THIS RANDOM GUY pulled straight off the internet was publicly available at the time.

2 years later... no real followup. No real reporting. Just sweep it under the rug.

****.

The media is such a joke.

Investigative journalism still has a huge market... especially a story this big... and nothing?! What the ****? Ignoring this story is more than profit seeking. It's borderline subversive.

[Off the Court]

Watched all that, and it definitely seems all very believable to me. Forced to trust this guy's words though and there is lots of misinformation out there that "seems' believable. Just saying. I wouldn't doubt all of this is spot on, but I also wouldn't doubt that there is some misinformation in there.

The story is believable because it is straight forward and simple. A lab that studies virus in bats was doing just that and employee Huang Yan Ling (patient zero) was the first covid patient. China tried to cover it up and I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if they killed her because she knows the true origin.

I don't care what media could or couldn't do. I am more interested in our Gov. intelligence. I remember there were efforts to see if covid came from lab. Googling that now it seems that their results were not conclusive but that they only were able to determine that covid was not weaponized. Which is in line with this video. They seemed convinced that covid was started from animal to human which is also in line with the video.

I guess at the end of all this, the entire world needs to ask itself how to punish China. Regardless of lab or not it is evident that they tried to cover it up and not only that but this has happened with them before. They need to be dealt with.

[Shogon]

This guy posted this shit on April 1st of 2020. There's more substance there than 2+ years of anything from the government or media...

There's no way our intelligence agencies don't know more than this guy, right? There's so many moving parts here, who the **** knows who pulls whose chain.

[Off the Court]

This guy posted this shit on April 1st of 2020. There's more substance there than 2+ years of anything from the government or media...

There's no way our intelligence agencies don't know more than this guy, right? There's so many moving parts here, who the **** knows who pulls whose chain.
If this guy was able to put 2 and 2 together better than our Gov that is beyond embarrassing.

Thinking more though on patient zero. Hang Yan Ling. The video questions here whereabouts. If she is alive. Why her picture was removed. I do think it's reasonable to believe she simply went into hiding, knowing that she was responsible for covid. It's also reasonable to believe China Gov killed her lol.

[ZenMaster]

If this guy was able to put 2 and 2 together better than our Gov that is beyond embarrassing.

Thinking more though on patient zero. Hang Yan Ling. The video questions here whereabouts. If she is alive. Why her picture was removed. I do think it's reasonable to believe she simply went into hiding, knowing that she was responsible for covid. It's also reasonable to believe China Gov killed her lol.


https://youtu.be/cykhY22Pydg

[diamenz]

the media and their so-called journalists don't seek truth (played out cliche - i know). nor do they go out of their way to do their own research and present information for the public to make their own informed decisions.

they're nothing but stenographers for the deep state that 'report' whatever information they're given to them by the "trusted professionals in positions of power". obviously cnn and fox have their business-based biases and know how to manipulate their viewer base, but that only goes so far. beyond that, they're just incompetent tools being manipulated by the deep state.

[Loco 50]

The media is trash.

The "fake news/conspiracy" accusations were with regard to it being a purposeful/malicious leak on China's part.

Bats are the reservoirs for many interesting potentially lethal bugs because their immune systems don't freak out at foreign antigens like ours do. That means the viruses are not killed by the immune system, they just hang around. This creates a wonderful stew of various strains that can intermingle and mutate into novel strains that can and do eventually spread to birds, pigs.......humans.

Bats live near Wuhan.

Bio labs are A.) much more common than I think most laypeople understand and B) prudent to have nearby studying these bats that are potential health risks.

Coronavirus was one of many bugs this lab was studying. I knew a fella that was doing post-doc work on another corona virus strain in a neighboring city.

None of this is novel information to anyone in virology. This is a very interwoven, small community. Unfortunately, the community is small so it's difficult to disseminate quality info, especially when their is so much noise out there.

As for the scientist this is my speculation.

Woman scientist got infected. I'm not sure why he calls her patient zero when he states there were 6 people that had already contracted corona from those bats, but regardless...it's out in the wild and has potentially infected everyone she was in contact with and everyone that those original 6 were in contact with.

She died. Cremated. CCP covered up severity of illness because control is #1 priority and they attempted to contain the virus. They failed miserably. Knowledge was suppressed.

Didn't end up mattering to the U.S. because the U.S. was busy denying the severity as well. It's just a flu, afterall.

The information/knowledge gap between very scientific/technical information and everyday news reporting is problematic. Messages are lost and twisted. Probably not even purposefully more often than not, or at least I'd like to believe that. Regardless, truth gets mangled and lay people that don't have a reliable source or knowledge base can't discern quality from trash.

In a just world, China would be held accountable and new standards of containment and an early warning system for containment breach created along with responsible knowledge dispersal. In a just world the U.S. administration would be held accountable as well. Nothing will happen to either.

New Zealand was the gold standard as far as pandemic response policy. Unfortunately, mimicking their response would be unfeasible for most other nations for several reasons, but simple geography being the foremost here. Much easier to isolate an island.

We are incredibly, incredibly fortunate that this virus was not more lethal than it was because this trial-run at containment/collaboration that the world just went through was an abject f'n failure.

You can't have an equal loud speaker for folks with no relevant knowledge drowning out folks that have put in at least 8 years of focused schooling along with years of bench/lab research experience and expect success or this will happen again with probably worse results. A new method of communication needs to be created/simplified/enforced.

[FultzNationRISE]

Aint nothin new under the sun.

Humanity got to where it is by being who it is.

It’s locked in our genetics. Nothing you can say, prove, or expose will change it. It’s rooted way deeper than any of that.

Only option is to accept it and look on the bright side.

[bladefd]

That guy is probably very close to the truth. I don't trust any news or information out of China or any authoritarian regime. Never have, never will. They control information in order to keep their people under control. It's a well-known fact that information is power, and every communist/authoritarian country knows it.

I would not be surprised if the Chinese government funded their intelligence agencies to spread the theory that "covid came from lab research is 'fake news'". I bet China does biological/chemical/etc weapons research, and this could very well be connected to that. They would do what they can to throw shade over it and throw 'fake news' label over it. We don't know for sure, but it's not like the Chinese government would allow WHO or UN or some foreign country access to the people who might know. Even if you could somehow get that permission, chances are those people would lie to cover their own skin.

It's a China-wide issue. You learn it very quickly if you are researching stocks/etc. Chinese stocks are notorious for not providing information you can trust, and there is very little transparency across the board (CCP pretty much controls everything). I have never touched Chinese stocks and urge people not to.

Even if our government knows, I suspect they would probably keep it under wraps for political reasons.. It's just crappy. I wish we would stop doing business in China and de-link from that mess. China isn't our friend and must never be trusted, but our government must not be excused either.

[Shogon]

That guy is probably very close to the truth. I don't trust any news or information out of China or any authoritarian regime. Never have, never will. They control information in order to keep their people under control. It's a well-known fact that information is power, and every communist/authoritarian country knows it.

Oh yeah?

Because this is what you said 2 years ago in reference to this exact same video...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479286-Yes-China-released-it-probably-unintentionally&p=13979895&viewfull=1#post13979895


Without evidence, it's just another conspiracy theory :confusedshrug:

[bladefd]

Oh yeah?

Because this is what you said 2 years ago in reference to this exact same video...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479286-Yes-China-released-it-probably-unintentionally&p=13979895&viewfull=1#post13979895

I didn't say I didn't believe it. We still need evidence to prove it. There have been conspiracy theories that have been proven right. That guy in the video would have to be proven through an investigation, and that's where the issue lies. China has done all it could to hide information and shut people up/shovel things under wraps to not look bad. However, that video by itself isn't enough to start an international incident.

Unless if you believe that video is all you need for an open-and-shut case?

[ZenMaster]

I didn't say I didn't believe it. We still need evidence to prove it. There have been conspiracy theories that have been proven right. That guy in the video would have to be proven through an investigation, and that's where the issue lies. China has done all it could to hide information and shut people up/shovel things under wraps to not look bad. However, that video by itself isn't enough to start an international incident.

Unless if you believe that video is all you need for an open-and-shut case?

But if you believe in this, then you don't believe in science.


A group of 27 prominent public health scientists from outside China is pushing back against a steady stream of stories and even a scientific paper suggesting a laboratory in Wuhan, China, may be the origin of the outbreak of COVID-19. "The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins," the scientists, from nine countries, write in a statement published online by The Lancet yesterday.

The letter does not criticize any specific assertions about the origin of the outbreak, but many posts on social media have singled out the Wuhan Institute of Virology for intense scrutiny because it has a laboratory at the highest security level—biosafety level 4—and its researchers study coronaviruses from bats, including the one that is closest to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Speculations have included the possibility that the virus was bioengineered in the lab or that a lab worker was infected while handling a bat and then transmitted the disease to others outside the lab. Researchers from the institute have insisted there is no link between the outbreak and their laboratory.

"We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin," says The Lancet statement, which praises the work of Chinese health professionals as "remarkable" and encourages others to sign on as well.

The authors of The Lancet statement note that scientists from several countries who have studied SARS-CoV-2 "overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife," just like many other viruses that have recently emerged in humans. "Conspiracy theories do nothing but create fear, rumours, and prejudice that jeopardise our global collaboration in the fight against this virus," the statement says.

Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance and a cosignatory of the statement, has collaborated with researchers at the Wuhan institute who study bat coronaviruses. "We're in the midst of the social media misinformation age, and these rumors and conspiracy theories have real consequences, including threats of violence that have occurred to our colleagues in China," Daszak, a disease ecologist, told ScienceInsider. "We have a choice whether to stand up and support colleagues who are being attacked and threatened daily by conspiracy theorists or to just turn a blind eye. I'm really proud that people from nine countries are able to rapidly come to their defense and show solidarity with people who are, after all, dealing with horrific conditions in an outbreak."



https://www.science.org/content/article/scientists-strongly-condemn-rumors-and-conspiracy-theories-about-origin-coronavirus

[Cleverness]

I guess at the end of all this, the entire world needs to ask itself how to punish China. Regardless of lab or not it is evident that they tried to cover it up and not only that but this has happened with them before. They need to be dealt with.

China didn't cause hundreds of millions of Americans to be locked down, masked up, and print/handout $10 trillion.

The entire world needs to ask itself how to punish the people in charge of restricting travel to the extreme, locking people down, forcing the "Trump Vaccine" on them, and masking them up for up to two years. Regardless of lab or not, they need to be dealt with.

[Cleverness]

The median age of death with Covid is above average life expectancy. The # of Americans hospitalized in 2020 and 2021 were on par with 2018 and 2019.

It may have come from the lab, and the story suppressed, but the virus itself had a tiny impact on society as a whole.

And cumulatively, no known infections prevented by the two years of NPIs I listed ITT. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500139-CDC-Model-Suggests-US-Covid-Cases-At-200-Million&p=14538445&viewfull=1#post14538445)

[Off the Court]

The median age of death with Covid is above average life expectancy. The # of Americans hospitalized in 2020 and 2021 were on par with 2018 and 2019.

It may have come from the lab, and the story suppressed, but the virus itself had a tiny impact on society as a whole.

And cumulatively, no known infections prevented by the two years of NPIs I listed ITT. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500139-CDC-Model-Suggests-US-Covid-Cases-At-200-Million&p=14538445&viewfull=1#post14538445)
This post is worthless without charts and graphs. Got a graph?

Or a mother f@$king God damn chart?

F#@kin pie chart at least for f@#ks sake. Pie charts easy as f@#k to read know what I'm sayin?

[ZenMaster]

But if you believe in this, then you don't believe in science.



https://www.science.org/content/article/scientists-strongly-condemn-rumors-and-conspiracy-theories-about-origin-coronavirus

No comment bladed? :oldlol:

[bladefd]

I didn't understand your point. It looked like you were trolling. If you have some point to make, make it clear.

[Pushxx]

I saw this when it came out and saved it. I'm surprised it's even still up online

[ZenMaster]

I didn't understand your point. It looked like you were trolling. If you have some point to make, make it clear.

Sure. During lockdowns and when you were very focused on covid19, you and many others on here made a big point out of telling others that if that only idiots get information from random people on youtube.
You and others also made a point out of saying that the scientists who know about covid are very trustworthy and we should follow their directions.

But now, you're commenting that you might believe the information in one of those random youtube videos, so I posted the statement made about it by the top scientists in the world - who in it say that they know where the virus came from and that the information in videos like the one posted by OP is disinformation.

So what gives?

[bladefd]

Sure. During lockdowns and when you were very focused on covid19, you and many others on here made a big point out of telling others that if that only idiots get information from random people on youtube.
You and others also made a point out of saying that the scientists who know about covid are very trustworthy and we should follow their directions.

But now, you're commenting that you might believe the information in one of those random youtube videos, so I posted the statement made about it by the top scientists in the world - who in it say that they know where the virus came from and that the information in videos like the one posted by OP is disinformation.

So what gives?

Scientists are not savants who are never wrong. They have been wrong plenty over the millennia - that is why science is not considered faith. It's self-correcting over time as more facts come in.

Having said that, there is no evidence that covid was man-made virus manufactured in a lab. There is however a great chance that bats were being researched on in Wuhan research facilities, and it escaped that way through negligence or mistake by a researcher.


"We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin," says The Lancet statement, which praises the work of Chinese health professionals as "remarkable" and encourages others to sign on as well.

The authors of The Lancet statement note that scientists from several countries who have studied SARS-CoV-2 "overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife," just like many other viruses that have recently emerged in humans. "Conspiracy theories do nothing but create fear, rumours, and prejudice that jeopardise our global collaboration in the fight against this virus," the statement says.

That portion is key. Nothing in the OP video disputes either of those two points. The question is not whether some scientists manufactured covid with malicious intentions to kill people, but rather the question is whether the virus got out during research due to some mistake.

I would also refer to Loco_50's post in this thread. He makes some good points regarding this.

[Lakers Legend#32]

And not a word about FOX News.

[ZenMaster]

Scientists are not savants who are never wrong. They have been wrong plenty over the millennia - that is why science is not considered faith. It's self-correcting over time as more facts come in.

Having said that, there is no evidence that covid was man-made virus manufactured in a lab. There is however a great chance that bats were being researched on in Wuhan research facilities, and it escaped that way through negligence or mistake by a researcher.



That portion is key. Nothing in the OP video disputes either of those two points. The question is not whether some scientists manufactured covid with malicious intentions to kill people, but rather the question is whether the virus got out during research due to some mistake.

I would also refer to Loco_50's post in this thread. He makes some good points regarding this.

Why did you leave out the most relevant part?`


Speculations have included the possibility that the virus was bioengineered in the lab or that a lab worker was infected while handling a bat and then transmitted the disease to others outside the lab. Researchers from the institute have insisted there is no link between the outbreak and their laboratory.

So all those international scientists backed that statement up and from that point, it was considered misinformation to talk about the virus coming from a lab in China at all, until all of the sudden it wasn't again.

[coin24]

Blade still making excuses. You’re a gullible fool as always

[Off the Court]

So what gives?
The video in the OP is reasonable unlike all of the others floating around at the time. Which is why Shogon singled it out. In fact I guarantee you that many conspiracy minded people reject this video because they reject they idea that covid did in fact originate from a bat.

At the time this vid was put out the common conspiracies were all tied into terms like New World Order, Great Reset, depopulation, links to Bill Gates and others, microchips, bioweapons, a huge plot to get Biden elected, Illuminati plots to remove your freedom, etc. They ranged from mildly retarded to literally retarded.

My feeling is that this video didn't gain much traction when it was released because it was rejected by conspiracy people and ignored by non-conspiracy minded people because they lumped it in with the other stuff assuming it was more retardation.

[Cleverness]

This post is worthless without charts and graphs. Got a graph?

The point is not worthless and does not need a graph to understand it.

I think you're smart enough to understand it, but the cognitive dissonance clouds your mind, frustrates you, so you enter troll-mode to deflect.

[Cleverness]

Note that when blade says scientists are trustworthy he means the gov't and television is trustworthy. Unfortunately he and his trustworthy scientists cannot back up their positions, as I've shown time and time again. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500139-CDC-Model-Suggests-US-Covid-Cases-At-200-Million&p=14538445&viewfull=1#post14538445

[Off the Court]

The point is not worthless and does not need a graph to understand it.

I think you're smart enough to understand it, but the cognitive dissonance clouds your mind, frustrates you, so you enter troll-mode to deflect.
Went into troll mode because you are using this thread to continue to argue hospitalization rates and all that shit we've heard a thousands times over. It ignores the video in the OP and throws everyone straight back into senseless tribal arguments.

Unless you post a graph or a motherf@#king chart then we can talk.

[Off the Court]

And to expand on that using this thread to get angry at media also ignores the video. Had CNN reported this it would have been written off as fake news anyway.

And then using this just so that you can say "I told you so" to blade is :facepalm


I mean this is what's troubling. We are so deep in tribal politics that we are ignoring China and the actual root of all this completely. All we care about is scoring points for our political team. How we get over that frame of thinking I don't know, we all need to be rewired.

[Off the Court]

Bat cave solves mystery of deadly SARS virus — and suggests new outbreak could occur (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-07766-9)

SARS came from a bat. Covid viruses come from bats. This has happened multiple times now. There is enough evidence or even proof for us to come to put laws into place around bats. The next bat virus could really deadly for all we know. And it seems like it's just being ignored altogether. Studying bat viruses should be either illegal or HIGHLY secured on the same levels as a nuclear power plant.

Bats shouldn't be sold as food in disgusting wet markets either. That should be illigal.

There needs to be changes here. In the area of f@#king with bats. It shouldn't be ignored.

[bladefd]

The video in the OP is reasonable unlike all of the others floating around at the time. Which is why Shogon singled it out. In fact I guarantee you that many conspiracy minded people reject this video because they reject they idea that covid did in fact originate from a bat.

At the time this vid was put out the common conspiracies were all tied into terms like New World Order, Great Reset, depopulation, links to Bill Gates and others, microchips, bioweapons, a huge plot to get Biden elected, Illuminati plots to remove your freedom, etc. They ranged from mildly retarded to literally retarded.

My feeling is that this video didn't gain much traction when it was released because it was rejected by conspiracy people and ignored by non-conspiracy minded people because they lumped it in with the other stuff assuming it was more retardation.

There was so much nonsense in that first year of covid that it was difficult to differentiate between possibly good information and misinformation.

Around this single issue, there were 2 separate ideas being circulated in 2020. First was that covid was manufactured in a lab by Chinese scientists and spread intentionally to bring down other countries to their knees. The second theory was that bats were being tested in a lab and the virus leaked through someone infected by mistake (OP video points to the latter). The first sounds straight up nuts, but the latter has some possibility. Again, possibility doesn't mean that it is true. And we also should not mix the two. And also it requires evidence before we can say "yeah, this is exactly what happened". It would require an investigation and interviews, which the Chinese government would never allow. The video by itself is meaningless even though it raises interesting questions.

[Cleverness]

I guess at the end of all this, the entire world needs to ask itself how to punish China. Regardless of lab or not it is evident that they tried to cover it up and not only that but this has happened with them before. They need to be dealt with.


China didn't cause hundreds of millions of Americans to be locked down, masked up, and print/handout $10 trillion.

The entire world needs to ask itself how to punish the people in charge of restricting travel to the extreme, locking people down, forcing the "Trump Vaccine" on them, and masking them up for up to two years. Regardless of lab or not, they need to be dealt with.


Went into troll mode because you are using this thread to continue to argue hospitalization rates and all that shit we've heard a thousands times over. It ignores the video in the OP and throws everyone straight back into senseless tribal arguments.


I mean this is what's troubling. We are so deep in tribal politics that we are ignoring China and the actual root of all this completely. All we care about is scoring points for our political team. How we get over that frame of thinking I don't know, we all need to be rewired.

You brought up a good point - what should be done about it (ie justice). And I responded by clarifying what "it" & "all this" actually is, what actually happened, and what should be done.


There was so much nonsense in that first year of covid that it was difficult to differentiate between possibly good information and misinformation.

Yes, there was nonsense - such as everything you and the Official Narrative push/pushed for.

It's never been nonsense to NOT lock people down, NOT force people to wear cloth around their face for 40+ hours/wk, NOT ban travel around the world, NOT hand out $10.3 trillion dollars, etc.