Markelle Fultz says the players think there's an MVP cover-up; Joel should win

[Im Still Ballin]

Interesting.



https://twitter.com/msshondabrown/status/1514752192804266004?s=21&t=5DCqPg0LuECXdRVIFzDSkg

[Brown] Former Sixers guard 2017 1st overall pick Markelle Fultz on Embiid possibly not getting MVP: “All the players know what’s happening…[the league] doesn’t want to validate the Process”

[Mask the Embiid]

One year harden averages 36ppg + higher win shares than Giannis yet they don’t give it to him (they gave it to Giannis even though harden’s team was worse)another year he averages 30, they give it to him.
One year rus gets it as a 6th seed cause he “has better stats” than harden and one year Lebron has the best stats but they give it to d rose cause he’s the number one seed. Micheal Jordan was the best player every year yet they gave the mvp to someone else almost every year…Award been a joke. They just vote for who they want to win… they change the criteria every single year to fit their agendas… The players never do… they play against these players every night they know who is what… The fact that all his peers admit he’s the mvp speaks volumes…the award is a joke. The voters are a joke… you who are reading this and think you know more about the game than professional players are a joke

[Real Men Wear Green]

Simmons Fultz Noel Okafor...all on different teams. "Process" could work in theory but if we judge it by the result in Philly it failed and the NBA had no need to plot to make it look bad. Fultz being silly. If he really cared he should have played for the Sixers and helped them win when he had the chance.

[tontoz]

Seriously how many top 5 picks did the Sixers blow? It was ridiculous.

[Kblaze8855]

One year harden averages 36ppg + higher win shares than Giannis yet they don’t give it to him (they gave it to Giannis even though harden’s team was worse)another year he averages 30, they give it to him.
One year rus gets it as a 6th seed cause he “has better stats” than harden and one year Lebron has the best stats but they give it to d rose cause he’s the number one seed. Micheal Jordan was the best player every year yet they gave the mvp to someone else almost every year…Award been a joke. They just vote for who they want to win… they change the criteria every single year to fit their agendas… The players never do… they play against these players every night they know who is what… The fact that all his peers admit he’s the mvp speaks volumes…the award is a joke. The voters are a joke… you who are reading this and think you know more about the game than professional players are a joke


The players used to vote and the results were about the same. Narratives. Personal feelings. All of it. Last player vote 14 people got a first place vote.

[John_Connor]

the mvp cover up is booker or luka


jokic over embiid is logical


players are just racist. they're crying about booker (for about a week ) or embiid (after realizing hes not a light skin). but never luka

where's the outcry for him

[Mask the Embiid]

the mvp cover up is booker or luka


jokic over embiid is logical


players are just racist. they're crying about booker (for about a week ) or embiid (after realizing hes not a light skin). but never luka

where's the outcry for him

racist???? Everyone said he was the mvp last year over giannis and curry...are they not black......SEEK HELP!

Luka came into the season....OUT....OF...Shape..... MVPS DO NOT COME INTO THE SEASON OUT OF SHAPE...WHAT DONT YOU GET ABOUT THAT?

[post]

who cares what a conspiracy minded bum like fultz thinks

gobert said he'd vote for jokic and he didn't lie to make his point unlike durant picking embiid

[jayfan]

Interesting.


That's so silly. It doesn't validate the process. It validates Embiid as a player. The 'process' has been a failure.
For all the years of miserable, blatant tanking they put their fans through, Philly wasted much of it's draft stock & hasn't even made the Finals.


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[RRR3]

I’m so NBA’d out is so mad Jokic overshadows his hero :lol

[FultzNationRISE]

Markelle Fultz says


Who?

[John_Connor]

racist???? Everyone said he was the mvp last year over giannis and curry...are they not black......SEEK HELP!

Luka came into the season....OUT....OF...Shape..... MVPS DO NOT COME INTO THE SEASON OUT OF SHAPE...WHAT DONT YOU GET ABOUT THAT?

the only reason jokic won mvp last year was cause everyone else missed 20+ games and curry missed the playoffs. it was an mvp by default


now this year the media feels justified with jokic cause he had the highest PER season and was the first to get 2000,1000,500 so it's a good narrative and they feel like they can get away with it cause blm propaganda has died down. but now the players are upset cause they don't want another white guy being back to back mvp cause nash is the example of why not to give it to a white guy going forward because we look back at him as a mistake


it's purely racism 100% and you know it. if ja morant had 27/5/5 and played as much as booker did he would be run away mvp because he actually looks like a black guy. and the only reason steph curry is so loved while being a light skin is because he's historically great and looked at as the greatest shooter ever. so we have to look past his embarrassing skin color. but for anyone else it's a hard thing to deal with. especially a white guy. the only time they can win mvps is by being historic and doing things nobodies ever done before (like jokic) and even then people are upset


embiid has no claim over mvp. he doesn't have the best team. booker does. and he doesn't have the best stats. jokic does

embiid has lost every big matchup all year. he finished the year putting up big numbers in losses. he's not the mvp. it's purely race driven. period

[iamgine]

We listening to Markelle Fultz now? :lol

[John8204]

the mvp cover up is booker or luka


jokic over embiid is logical


players are just racist. they're crying about booker (for about a week ) or embiid (after realizing hes not a light skin). but never luka

where's the outcry for him

The MVP picks over the last 20 years have been crap. Chris Paul never getting an MVP when he literaly elevated every team he played on is absurd. Booker has 60 wins this season, Ja and the Grizzlies are at the #2 and Embiid has clearly been the top guy in Philly.

And frankly giving Joker a 2nd MVP without a ring seems like the media is gassing him up so they can spend 10 years ripping him apart for not winning a ring(he'll never win a ring in Denver)

[Mask the Embiid]

who cares what a conspiracy minded bum like fultz thinks

gobert said he'd vote for jokic and he didn't lie to make his point unlike durant picking embiid

O shut the hell up....Every Center out west hates embiid's guts! He shits on them and mocks them to their face(eastern conference centers are use to being humiliated and shit talked so they dont take it as painfully)....they all hate em out west....Kat.....Ayton...Gobert....(i could keep naming em)he packs their shit in everytime he faces them n talks shit to them n they cant take it.....yet some of them try to pattern their entire shitty games after him and still hate his guts.....im not even gonna name em all....Western Conference Centers....HATE....HIS.....GUTS....


Deep down they know who they hate playing @ center.....They know who they fear humiliating them and talking shit right in their face.... they know who they truly cant stop from getting 40 50 60 points.....and its not jokic.... FS1 put it the best.... Losing to mayweather and losing to mike tyson (embiid) are 2 different styles of losing.... one hurts a lot more than the other....

[John_Connor]

The MVP picks over the last 20 years have been crap. Chris Paul never getting an MVP when he literaly elevated every team he played on is absurd. Booker has 60 wins this season, Ja and the Grizzlies are at the #2 and Embiid has clearly been the top guy in Philly.

And frankly giving Joker a 2nd MVP without a ring seems like the media is gassing him up so they can spend 10 years ripping him apart for not winning a ring(he'll never win a ring in Denver)

the mvp is a team award 99% of the time. only on super rare occasions does it go to a guy that did something historic without a top seed. this year that guy is jokic. embied did nothing historic so he doesn't deserve it. there's literally no argument for him


it's either jokic or booker and literally no other case can be made for anyone. I'd just like it if luka got the same kinda love embiid got all year from the media and players for basically doing the exact same thing

[insight]

the mvp cover up is booker or luka


jokic over embiid is logical


players are just racist. they're crying about booker (for about a week ) or embiid (after realizing hes not a light skin). but never luka

where's the outcry for him

What are you talking about, Luka was the most overhyped player heading into the season. They couldn't keep promoting him because he was so terrible at the beginning of the season. Plus the whole organization was in turmoil the coach and GM who drafted Luka are gone, Porzingis is gone and the whole team was revamped mid-season.
Trae Young is much more disrespected than Luka has ever been so the color thing doesn't add up.

[Wally450]

Embiid has a legit case for MVP.

[FultzNationRISE]

O shut the hell up....Every Center out west hates embiid's guts! He shits on them and mocks them to their face(eastern conference centers are use to being humiliated and shit talked so they dont take it as painfully)....they all hate em out west....Kat.....Ayton...Gobert....(i could keep naming em)he packs their shit in everytime he faces them n talks shit to them n they cant take it.....yet some of them try to pattern their entire shitty games after him and still hate his guts.....im not even gonna name em all....Western Conference Centers....HATE....HIS.....GUTS....


Deep down they know who they hate playing @ center.....They know who they fear humiliating them and talking shit right in their face.... they know who they truly cant stop from getting 40 50 60 points.....and its not jokic.... FS1 put it the best.... Losing to mayweather and losing to mike tyson (embiid) are 2 different styles of losing.... one hurts a lot more than the other....

Jokic doesnt appear to feel too threatened..

[John_Connor]

What are you talking about, Luka was the most overhyped player heading into the season. They couldn't keep promoting him because he was so terrible at the beginning of the season. Plus the whole organization was in turmoil the coach and GM who drafted Luka are gone, Porzingis is gone and the whole team was revamped mid-season.
Trae Young is much more disrespected than Luka has ever been so the color thing doesn't add up.

luka started slow. embiid lost every big match-up, jokic had a worse record all year. booker lacks the individual play. they all had their faults. but need I remind you of luka dominating every big match-up all year


destroyed giannis on April 3rd with 32/8/15 and won

destroyed lebron on March 29th with 34/12/12 and won

destroyed durant on March 16th with 37/9/9 and won

destroyed tatum on March 13th with 26/8/8 and won

destroyed curry on March 3rd with 41/10/9 and won

destroyed lebron on March 1st with 25/8/5 and won

destroyed curry on February 27th with 34/11 and won

destroyed embiid on February 4th with 33/13/15 and won

destroyed ja morant on January 23rd with 37/11/9 and won

destroyed derozan on January 9th with 22/14/14 and won

destroyed curry on January 5th with 26/7/8 and won

destroyed jokic on January 3rd with 21/8/15 and won

destroyed ja morant on December 8th with 26/8/7 and won

destroyed jokic on November 15th with 23/8/11 and won



nearly every big embiid performance vs another mvp candidate came in a loss.

[John_Connor]

Embiid has a legit case for MVP.

doesn't have the wins. did nothing historic


no case

[ShawkFactory]

O shut the hell up....Every Center out west hates embiid's guts! He shits on them and mocks them to their face(eastern conference centers are use to being humiliated and shit talked so they dont take it as painfully)....they all hate em out west....Kat.....Ayton...Gobert....(i could keep naming em)he packs their shit in everytime he faces them n talks shit to them n they cant take it.....yet some of them try to pattern their entire shitty games after him and still hate his guts.....im not even gonna name em all....Western Conference Centers....HATE....HIS.....GUTS....


Deep down they know who they hate playing @ center.....They know who they fear humiliating them and talking shit right in their face.... they know who they truly cant stop from getting 40 50 60 points.....and its not jokic.... FS1 put it the best.... Losing to mayweather and losing to mike tyson (embiid) are 2 different styles of losing.... one hurts a lot more than the other....

Yea but one of them literally never loses and the other does.

[Mask the Embiid]

Jokic doesnt appear to feel too threatened..

Jokic is like the only center he actually respects in the league.....he doesnt punk him like he does with the rest....he treats al horford like a ho too....openly disrespects him.....look it up....had to say that before spurs m8 comes running in here with his palm palms "what about horford m8!"...idc how good you think he guards him, he doesnt respect em....Its the celtics not him

[ralph_i_el]

The problem is that Giannis, Jokic, and Embiid all basically play the same position and are all playing MVP ball. There's no right answer. Jokic is going to get the edge purely off of Murray being out all year.

[ArbitraryWater]

Only for a black person would this shit be turned into an apparent issue of racism..

lmao.

Like Jokic doesnt have playing merits that could legitimize his MVP claim.


No, it must be a "cover up"...

these dudes are so ignorant and disrespectful.


Racists.

[ArbitraryWater]

racist???? Everyone said he was the mvp last year over giannis and curry...are they not black......SEEK HELP!

Luka came into the season....OUT....OF...Shape..... MVPS DO NOT COME INTO THE SEASON OUT OF SHAPE...WHAT DONT YOU GET ABOUT THAT?


who the **** cares?


since when is that the ultimate criterion?

over the course of the entire season he could still acquire MVP worth and he did.

[Shogon]

Markelle Fultz is a thought leader. We should listen to him.

[post]

O shut the hell up....Every Center out west hates embiid's guts! He shits on them and mocks them to their face(eastern conference centers are use to being humiliated and shit talked so they dont take it as painfully)....they all hate em out west....Kat.....Ayton...Gobert....(i could keep naming em)he packs their shit in everytime he faces them n talks shit to them n they cant take it.....yet some of them try to pattern their entire shitty games after him and still hate his guts.....im not even gonna name em all....Western Conference Centers....HATE....HIS.....GUTS....


Deep down they know who they hate playing @ center.....They know who they fear humiliating them and talking shit right in their face.... they know who they truly cant stop from getting 40 50 60 points.....and its not jokic.... FS1 put it the best.... Losing to mayweather and losing to mike tyson (embiid) are 2 different styles of losing.... one hurts a lot more than the other....

kat said he'd vote for himself

draymond said booker

https://c.tenor.com/FUItMRhUz3sAAAAd/chapelle-charlie-murphy.gif

[John_Connor]

The problem is that Giannis, Jokic, and Embiid all basically play the same position and are all playing MVP ball. There's no right answer. Jokic is going to get the edge purely off of Murray being out all year.

the 2000/1000/500 is the narrative the media needed to not give it to booker or embiid

it's what they're going with to sell their argument like the first westbrick triple double season


embiids Ben simmons narrative was squashed with the harden trade


the "luka was fat" and "look at grizzlies without ja" narratives are why they had zero chance

and "but booker has cp3" is the narrative the media is using not to give it to him


the mvp has always and will always be just about some weird unique story they can sell to get viewers and create drama

[ralph_i_el]

the 2000/1000/500 is the narrative the media needed to not give it to booker or embiid

it's what they're going with to sell their argument like the first westbrick triple double season


embiids Ben simmons narrative was squashed with the harden trade

Booker just flat out isn't as impactful as those other guys. He won't win because a significant amount of folks think he's the second best guard on his own team, and that team is very deep.

[RRR3]

Jokic is like the only center he actually respects in the league.....he doesnt punk him like he does with the rest....he treats al horford like a ho too....openly disrespects him.....look it up....had to say that before spurs m8 comes running in here with his palm palms "what about horford m8!"...idc how good you think he guards him, he doesnt respect em....Its the celtics not him
Absolutely boiling :oldlol:


Your guy is second best deal with it.

[FireDavidKahn]

Jokic has better normal stats and advanced stats.

What argument does Embiid even have?

[fsvr54]

Imagine thinking Booker or even worse, Ja Morant deserve MVP. Whoever thinks that needs a lobotomy.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jokic has better normal stats and advanced stats.

What argument does Embiid even have?

He's black

You cant have white people winning In a predominantly black league with woke culture without some skepticism and backlash. Even if you have arguably the greatest season on NBA history, according to statistics .

[John8204]

Jokic has better normal stats and advanced stats.

What argument does Embiid even have?

- he already has an MVP
- his team is seated at #6 so his chances of winning a ring are very low
- his advanced stats aren't earth shattering
- two time MVP's are an elite class...he's never won a championship (either league or conference)
- he'll be the lowest and second lowest ranked PPG player since Dirk

Embiid
- won the scoring title
- although he's a 4 seed that's on tiebreakers
- his team has consistently shed all-stars and he's still in position to win in the first round...Joker not so much

[FultzNationRISE]

Jokic has better normal stats and advanced stats.

What argument does Embiid even have?


Well Embiid is the superior defender, altho the gap is not nearly as large as the traditional narrative would have you believe. Jokic is a pretty good defender himself at this point so Embiid doesnt really make up enough ground on that side of the ball to swing the overall tide.

[tontoz]

- he already has an MVP
- his team is seated at #6 so his chances of winning a ring are very low
- his advanced stats aren't earth shattering
- two time MVP's are an elite class...he's never won a championship (either league or conference)
- he'll be the lowest and second lowest ranked PPG player since Dirk

Embiid
- won the scoring title
- although he's a 4 seed that's on tiebreakers
- his team has consistently shed all-stars and he's still in position to win in the first round...Joker not so much


:roll:

Jokic is leading the league in almost every advanced stat and is set an all time record for PER

Jokic played without Murray/MPJ all season. Those two averaged a combined 40 ppg last year.

Jokic has Barton as his second option. Barton would be a bench player in Philly yet Philly has only 3 more wins.

[RRR3]

- he already has an MVP
- his team is seated at #6 so his chances of winning a ring are very low
- his advanced stats aren't earth shattering
- two time MVP's are an elite class...he's never won a championship (either league or conference)
- he'll be the lowest and second lowest ranked PPG player since Dirk

Embiid
- won the scoring title
- although he's a 4 seed that's on tiebreakers
- his team has consistently shed all-stars and he's still in position to win in the first round...Joker not so much
You are braindead.

[fourkicks44]

If Embiid Win's MVP how can the Process be deemed a failure?

The Process was only derailed when Sixers ownership turned away from it and the league forced Hinkie out.

The morons that took over and squandered all the assets were the ones against it the whole time.

The failure was the ownership turning away for the Process.

[post]

Well Embiid is the superior defender, altho the gap is not nearly as large as the traditional narrative would have you believe. Jokic is a pretty good defender himself at this point so Embiid doesnt really make up enough ground on that side of the ball to swing the overall tide.

"One factor preventing Jokić from running away with the award, however, is his longstanding reputation as a defensive liability. Indeed, the MVP cases for Milwaukee’s Giannis Antetokounmpo and Philadelphia’s Joel Embiid are often premised on their supposedly superior defense. Denver coach Michael Malone sought to dispel that narrative in December by arguing that his superstar center should be considered among the league’s best defensive players. He acknowledged that “people around the NBA will scoff” at the idea of Joker being an elite defender before telling the naysayers, “You can’t say he’s not. All the other analytics they use for other players, when you apply those same analytics to Nikola Jokić, he should be an All-Defensive player.”"

there's more that could be said about that but most people probably even at least some voters won't take the time to think about it so who cares

[Real Men Wear Green]

If Embiid Win's MVP how can the Process be deemed a failure?

The Process was only derailed when Sixers ownership turned away from it and the league forced Hinkie out.

The morons that took over and squandered all the assets were the ones against it the whole time.

The failure was the ownership turning away for the Process.

The process as a strategy can a absolutely succeed. I hate it and it shows everything wrong with the draft, you can't incentivize losing. But just as a strategy it can absolutely work.

Fortunately Philly screwed up with the assets it got them. It is definitely a failure no matter how Embiid career goes because he's just one player and (at least) five years of dedicated losing should get you a great team not just a great player.

Glad Philly has been so unlucky. Could you imagine if they had Embiid Tatum and Jaylen Brown as their core? That's a dynasty.

[Shogon]

The process as a strategy can a absolutely succeed. I hate it and it shows everything wrong with the draft, you can't incentivize losing. But just as a strategy it can absolutely work.

Fortunately Philly screwed up with the assets it got them. It is definitely a failure no matter how Embiid career goes because he's just one player and (at least) five years of dedicated losing should get you a great team not just a great player.

Glad Philly has been so unlucky. Could you imagine if they had Embiid Tatum and Jaylen Brown as their core? That's a dynasty.

But it wasn't a failure. It was abandoned the MOMENT that Hinkie was fired.

76ers are extremely likely to be mediocre or still out of the playoffs right now without him. They are not an attractive free agent market for multiple obvious reasons.

I agree with you it was a problem for the league as a whole trying to produce a good product. The strategy was viable and substantially better than that, I would say, for the 76ers, had they not abandoned it.

Anyone think Hinkie gives up the 1st pick and other assets to trade up from 3 to 1? And then draft Fultz? lol.

[AngelEyes]

I doubt much of this talk will persist after the first round of the playoffs.

[bobopenguin]

what's the problem here? Jokic beats embiid in almost every stats except scoring, and that's cos jokic shares ball.
not everything is about the colour of skin.

[fourkicks44]

But it wasn't a failure. It was abandoned the MOMENT that Hinkie was fired.

76ers are extremely likely to be mediocre or still out of the playoffs right now without him. They are not an attractive free agent market for multiple obvious reasons.

I agree with you it was a problem for the league as a whole trying to produce a good product. The strategy was viable and substantially better than that, I would say, for the 76ers, had they not abandoned it.

Anyone think Hinkie gives up the 1st pick and other assets to trade up from 3 to 1? And then draft Fultz? lol.

Exactly. Hinkie wasn't even there for three full seasons. Colangelo's first full year in charge and they would have made the playoffs if Joel didn't get injured before the All Star break.

[Real Men Wear Green]

But it wasn't a failure. It was abandoned the MOMENT that Hinkie was fired.
Which means it failed. I am not saying Hinkie didn't know what he was doing I am saying that sports is a pass/fail class. It's not fair but the Process didn't create a contender so it's a failure. You may feel like I am blaming the victim for being killed but the important thing is that they died.

[SATAN]

What players?

The NBA has become a soap opera. Pathetic.