Only peak Wilt & Shaq won with the triangle

[3ba11]

Oh wait..

There were once 2 guards that were dominant enough to replicate Wilt/Shaq's dominance and win with the triangle.

It was MJ and his clone Kobe - the #1 and #2 players all-time (proven by winning with the triangle as non-bigs) - their goat scoring capability on-ball, off-screens or post play fit with any teammate or system and yielded the best team ceilings/Finals records.

[Baller789]

Oh wait..

There were once 2 guards that were dominant enough to replicate Wilt/Shaq's dominance and win with the triangle.

It was MJ and his clone Kobe - the #1 and #2 players all-time (proven by winning with the triangle as non-bigs) - their goat scoring capability on-ball, off-screens or post play fit with any teammate or system and yielded the best team ceilings/Finals records.

But then Kobe couldn't win without arguably the best frontcourt in Bynum, Gasol and Odom.

[ImKobe]

But then Kobe couldn't win without arguably the best frontcourt in Bynum, Gasol and Odom.

Bynum was always hurt in the POs. Gasol is a decent #2 but it's not like a Bran/Wade or KD/Steph duo. Odom wasn't a star but he played a key role on that team. Lakers were just built really well around KB and found the right pieces to fit the triangle, but talent-wise those teams weren't all-timers, it's more on par with the '98 Bulls or the '06 Heat, which is still a really good team but you wouldn't say that they were stacked to the point where there was a clear gap between them and the next best team. No one ever mentions 08-10 Lakers as one of the greatest teams ever.

[Baller789]

Bynum was always hurt in the POs. Gasol is a decent #2 but it's not like a Bran/Wade or KD/Steph duo. Odom wasn't a star but he played a key role on that team. Lakers were just built really well around KB and found the right pieces to fit the triangle, but talent-wise those teams weren't all-timers, it's more on par with the '98 Bulls or the '06 Heat, which is still a really good team but you wouldn't say that they were stacked to the point where there was a clear gap between them and the next best team. No one ever mentions 08-10 Lakers as one of the greatest teams ever.

They weren't individually. But collectively they had the longest and best frontcourt in the NBA. Gasol was insanely efficient to counter Kobe's low fg%.

[ImKobe]

They weren't individually. But collectively they had the longest and best frontcourt in the NBA. Gasol was insanely efficient to counter Kobe's low fg%.

Kobe shot 46.4%FG/56.9%TS for the 08-10 Playoffs (2nd 3-Peat MJ averaged 45.9%FG/54.3%TS). That's not inefficient at all. 1% off Bran during the same stretch and Bran played in 30 less Playoff games as he failed to make the Finals. Gasol averaging 12 less ppg on ~3% higher TS% isn't even that crazy IMHO, but the front court of course helped KB win some games.

[Baller789]

Kobe shot 46.4%FG/56.9%TS for the 08-10 Playoffs (2nd 3-Peat MJ averaged 45.9%FG/54.3%TS). That's not inefficient at all. 1% off Bran during the same stretch and Bran played in 30 less Playoff games as he failed to make the Finals. Gasol averaging 12 less ppg on ~3% higher TS% isn't even that crazy IMHO, but the front court of course helped KB win some games.

Love how you actually cherry picked Jordan's stats :lol

[FKAri]

OP's unraveling. Just come out as the Kobetard that you are. No MJ fan would be this defensive and butthurt by Lebron.

"#2 all-time" lol. Why not Wilt and Shaq by that same logic of "won with the triangle"

[warriorfan]

But then Kobe couldn't win without arguably the best frontcourt in Bynum, Gasol and Odom.

Bynum was ass. Gasol and Odom never did anything without Kobe either. Gasol is too soft and LO has no heart.

[ImKobe]

Love how you actually cherry picked Jordan's stats :lol

Never heard anyone call 2nd 3-Peat MJ an inefficient chucker but that was the narrative everyone was going with when Kobe went to 3 straight Finals without Shaq. Jordan stans used to use the efficiency argument against KB but their own god wasn't that efficient for the majority of his title runs. If you look at MJ's title runs, he had a 60%TS in his first one and then never had a TS% higher than 57.1 in the POs after that and shot 47.3%FG/55.2%TS for his 5 other rings, but Kobe was inefficient at 46.4%FG/56.9%TS in 08-10 :kobe: .

[3ba11]

Never heard anyone call 2nd 3-Peat MJ an inefficient chucker but that was the narrative everyone was going with when Kobe went to 3 straight Finals without Shaq. Jordan stans used to use the efficiency argument against KB but their own god wasn't that efficient for the majority of his title runs. If you look at MJ's title runs, he had a 60%TS in his first one and then never had a TS% higher than 57.1 in the POs after that and shot 47.3%FG/55.2%TS for his 5 other rings, but Kobe was inefficient at 46.4%FG/56.9%TS in 08-10 :kobe: .


94' Hakeem
03' Duncan
11' Dirk


^^^ Those are some of the rings won where the 1st option didn't have any elite scorers as teammates and therefore had to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load), which killed their efficiency (TS).

Similarly, Kobe and Jordan had to win titles while facing maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load with no elite scoring teammates)

So their efficiency suffered, but they're the only guys to win multiple chips that way (without elite scoring help and therefore carrying scoring load for playoffs and Finals)

Only Kobe & MJ won multiple chips while defeating max defensive attention (carrying scoring load due to zero elite scoring teammates).. Even Hakeem needed Drexler for one of his chips

[getting_old]

Triangle worked great when a team freely dicked around for 20 seconds with the knowledge that Michael or Shaq (and!!!) or Kobe would singlehandedly find a great shot before the buzzer

It didn't work when Kwame was the focus.

Just like Phil's genius disappeared when Michael/Shaq/Kobe weren't there to singelhandedly get a great shot for him.... :D

[Baller789]

Never heard anyone call 2nd 3-Peat MJ an inefficient chucker but that was the narrative everyone was going with when Kobe went to 3 straight Finals without Shaq. Jordan stans used to use the efficiency argument against KB but their own god wasn't that efficient for the majority of his title runs. If you look at MJ's title runs, he had a 60%TS in his first one and then never had a TS% higher than 57.1 in the POs after that and shot 47.3%FG/55.2%TS for his 5 other rings, but Kobe was inefficient at 46.4%FG/56.9%TS in 08-10 :kobe: .

Doesn't change the fact you used cherry picked stats. Jordan never was a second option. So just using 2nd 3peat Jordan stats is asinine.

Since you are into stats, what were their team's respective fg%?