Durant doesn't get easy looks

[3ba11]

Or not enough

because he doesn't use his "nose" for it - he comes down thinking that he has to carry his team on that possession and "make the play", when all he has to do is seek the easiest score.

Nash doesn't help - aka wasting his best players' energy bringing the ball up instead of letting a lesser player like Fisher or Paxson bring the ball up.

CURRY should bring the ball up... Durant and Kyrie should start possessions moving off-the-ball trying to get open on thelr own with their teammates becoming "blockers" about 5 seconds into the possession, essentially setting screens for "movers" Durant and Kyrie.

And Durant shouldn't be using live dribbles liberally in the half court.. He lacks the necessary explosion that he once had and therefore should go to the post and look to drop-step anyone 6'7" or shorter - don't f*ck around with them.. If they somehow stop the drop-step, they'll be on their heels so much that the fadeaway will be wide open...

Against taller or better defenders, he should be looking to SET UP the turnaround... They can't stop it if he sets it up correctly - think "textbook".. And the upfake should be his friend - they HAVE to bite and if it's done with some physicality, perhaps a shoulder bump with that knife of a shoulder to their chest.. It's unlikely that he would have any problems with any defenders with this mentality ("nose") and overall methodology.... But again, he's coming down thinking "make the play" and Nash isn't helping at all..

Btw, when he DOES start live dribbles in the half court, it's an event, so immediately get DEEP in the bag - don't f*ck around - give them the sickest move and make them stop it.

[Axe]

Durant > kobe

;)

[3ba11]

Durant > kobe

;)


More talented

But Kobe had completely mastered the turnaround and so many other moves, while also being a more physical player that thrived on physicality.. Just compare their hands - Kobe had muscles popping out of his

[post]

curry probably doesn't have the ball handling/brains to play the fisher/paxson role

people probably complaining about griffin/aldridge not playing too

i guess white nash just hates them and it's not that they're not useful now

[post]

the team is built to have harden or simmons bring the ball up but they aren't playing

i doubt you could do a better job than nash

[NBAGOAT]

one of the best part of kyries game is his handle, ofc he should bring the ball up over curry who’s a spot up guy, your suggestion uh isn’t good. KD may also not have the stamina anymore to run off screens all game. What mj and curry did isn’t easy at all and requires a GOAT lvl motor

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Not quick enough like Jordan or strong enough like kawhi to have goat scoring playoff runs without a 20PPG teammate.

Kawhi is thicker so he can shield himself with his body mainly his shoulders.

96-98 Jordan is way buffer then Durant as well

[3ba11]

Not quick enough like Jordan or strong enough like kawhi to have goat scoring playoff runs without a 20PPG teammate.

Kawhi is thicker so he can shield himself with his body mainly his shoulders.

96-98 Jordan is way buffer then Durant as well


Durant hasn't trusted his teammates all year - he needs to MAKE them step up, which will free himself up - they need to free up Durant when he's facing "Jordan Rules"

but it's Nash's fault too for not seeing this and for playing your-turn-my-turn all year - consequently, the Nets don't have the chemistry that benefits role players or puts Durant and Kyrie in these great, unpredictable spots like the Celtics' players

[NBAGOAT]

Durant hasn't trusted his teammates all year - he needs to expect and MAKE them step up, which will free himself up - they need to free up Durant when he's facing "Jordan Rules"

but it's Nash's fault too for not seeing this and for playing your-turn-my-turn all year - consequently, the Nets don't have the chemistry or flow that can allow Durant and Kyrie to score less predictably and more surprisingly like Brown and Tatum score

Tatum and Brown find themselves in great situations because the role players are weapons that force defenders to stay at home, while the superior chemistry puts Tatum/Brown in these great spota

Well when have Bruce brown and Seth curry shown they can playmake and set guys up? Also how can you have great chemistry when kyries played like 30 games because of that covid shit and KDs missed 30 games. Add on curry and Drummond 2 key starters came in at the end of the year in the harden trade .

Yea you haven’t watched all season so you don’t realize the Celtic “role players” aren’t really role players. Tbf most of their impact is on defense and yes udoka is much better at running offense than nash but they are a lot better than the nets supporting cast especially at passing.

If you want to see the best coaching matchup watch the wolves-grizzlies series and yea I’m still waiting for your analysis of those teams.

[3ba11]

Well when have Bruce brown and Seth curry shown they can playmake and set guys up? Also how can you have great chemistry when kyries played like 30 games because of that covid shit and KDs missed 30 games. Add on curry and Drummond 2 key starters came in at the end of the year in the harden trade .

Yea you haven’t watched all season so you don’t realize the Celtic “role players” aren’t really role players. Tbf most of their impact is on defense and yes udoka is much better at running offense than nash but they are a lot better than the nets supporting cast especially at passing.

If you want to see the best coaching matchup watch the wolves-grizzlies series and yea I’m still waiting for your analysis of those teams.


It isn't about "playmaking"

When defenders are near, Durant must give it up immediately, without hesitation.

And teammates must STEP-UP when given this slight advantage, which will eventually prevent the defense from loading up on KD at all - Boston would have to play a more straight-up defense where Durant and Kyrie can go off... Then when the Celtics start to shift Durant's way again, he must immediately give it up and make them pay

The problem is that this approach of "trusting teammates" and immediately giving it up before a spot gets sticky requires teammates to step up - this can take time and might require Durant to light a fire under guys like Longley and Wennington, I mean Drummond and Dragic

[RRR3]

Shut the **** up snivelly

[8Ball]

3am meltdown.

All this Jordanesque isolation scoring going down the toilet.

[ImKobe]

Durant runs into double/triple teams and takes too much time setting up his shots against an aggressive Celtics' defense. He's no MJ when it comes to protecting the ball and making quick decisions against defenses that load up on him.

MJ made it look so easy while he was scoring on the entire defense by himself.


https://youtu.be/m_nt21y8Xy0

No wasted movements. No hesitation.

Compare that to Durant in Game 1


https://youtu.be/rk5z3usmB8s

Shaky handles, doesn't make up his mind quick enough to beat the double by either pulling up early or making the right read to set up an open shot. Not strong enough to finish over multiple defenders when he does try attacking the rim.


https://youtu.be/wDwJPY-Nneg

Just compare that to KB making the quick decision to pass or shoot before the defense can force him into a TO or a heavily contested shot.

KD is an awesome player but he's struggled with these types of defenses for the majority of his career. He didn't have the spacing in OKC and defenses loaded up on him the same way, which is why his Playoff numbers were horrible compared to what he did in GS or in BKN last year. Now that the Nets don't have Harris or Harden on the perimeter, it's hard for him to get those easy looks as well. Nets are forced to play a ton of Drummond/Claxton and Bruce Brown for rebounding & defense, it hurts Durant and Irving because they don't have the spacing to keep the defense honest. It worked early on in the game as Drummond/Claxton and Brown were getting easy looks as a result of the defense being played on KD/Irving but they didn't adjust in the 2nd half when it was no longer working and the Celtics had it going offensively.

I'm surprised they haven't tried playing LMA or Blake in this series, they could really use that extra spacing.

[ImKobe]

Durant hasn't trusted his teammates all year - he needs to MAKE them step up, which will free himself up - they need to free up Durant when he's facing "Jordan Rules"

but it's Nash's fault too for not seeing this and for playing your-turn-my-turn all year - consequently, the Nets don't have the chemistry that benefits role players or puts Durant and Kyrie in these great, unpredictable spots like the Celtics' players

This too. KD takes too long to make the right read against that defense, he should be dishing it out before the double can get to him to force a TO. They should be trying to get him open off the ball instead of having him handle it so much when they have plenty of ballhandlers on the squad. Use him more like a decoy to put more pressure on the defense instead of having him constantly turn it over with his loose dribble.

[ShawkFactory]

This too. KD takes too long to make the right read against that defense, he should be dishing it out before the double can get to him to force a TO. They should be trying to get him open off the ball instead of having him handle it so much when they have plenty of ballhandlers on the squad. Use him more like a decoy to put more pressure on the defense instead of having him constantly turn it over with his loose dribble.

This is all true.

He also has a tougher time getting to his ideal spots against stronger defenders.

[post]

Durant runs into double/triple teams and takes too much time setting up his shots against an aggressive Celtics' defense. He's no MJ when it comes to protecting the ball and making quick decisions against defenses that load up on him.

MJ made it look so easy while he was scoring on the entire defense by himself.


https://youtu.be/m_nt21y8Xy0

No wasted movements. No hesitation.

Compare that to Durant in Game 1


https://youtu.be/rk5z3usmB8s

Shaky handles, doesn't make up his mind quick enough to beat the double by either pulling up early or making the right read to set up an open shot. Not strong enough to finish over multiple defenders when he does try attacking the rim.


https://youtu.be/wDwJPY-Nneg

Just compare that to KB making the quick decision to pass or shoot before the defense can force him into a TO or a heavily contested shot.

KD is an awesome player but he's struggled with these types of defenses for the majority of his career. He didn't have the spacing in OKC and defenses loaded up on him the same way, which is why his Playoff numbers were horrible compared to what he did in GS or in BKN last year. Now that the Nets don't have Harris or Harden on the perimeter, it's hard for him to get those easy looks as well. Nets are forced to play a ton of Drummond/Claxton and Bruce Brown for rebounding & defense, it hurts Durant and Irving because they don't have the spacing to keep the defense honest. It worked early on in the game as Drummond/Claxton and Brown were getting easy looks as a result of the defense being played on KD/Irving but they didn't adjust in the 2nd half when it was no longer working and the Celtics had it going offensively.

I'm surprised they haven't tried playing LMA or Blake in this series, they could really use that extra spacing.

aldridge/griffin shot 30/26% from 3 this year

claxton at the moment probably provides more overall value

they had plenty of spacing/scoring between dragic and mills coming off the bench in game 1 and 2

durant needs to shoot better than 4-17 and kyrie needs to have more than 1 assist when his shot isn't falling

the blame is clear

[ImKobe]

aldridge/griffin shot 30/26% from 3 this year

claxton at the moment probably provides more overall value

they had plenty of spacing/scoring between dragic and mills coming off the bench in game 1 and 2

durant needs to shoot better than 4-17 and kyrie needs to have more than 1 assist when his shot isn't falling

the blame is clear

Aldridge can score from anywhere, he hasn't taken many 3s to begin with (1 attempt per game this year) while he had solid 3PT numbers before going to BKN (~39% in 2020 and '21 combined on 3 3PA), and he played well against Boston early on in the season. It's weird they're not even giving him a chance, but play a rookie in a Playoff game. I haven't heard anything about an injury right now with him either, so I expect Nash to adjust at some point and give him a run or two, even if it's 5-10 minutes a game.

And you can't do the results thing with KD/Irving either, they're facing a tough defense that can switch everything. They do play 3-4 guards at a time for stretches and it looks better offensively, but they could at least use some LMA at the 5 for stretches, he played well for them this year.

[post]

Aldridge can score from anywhere, he hasn't taken many 3s to begin with (1 attempt per game this year) while he had solid 3PT numbers before going to BKN (~39% in 2020 and '21 combined on 3 3PA), and he played well against Boston early on in the season. It's weird they're not even giving him a chance, but play a rookie in a Playoff game. I haven't heard anything about an injury right now with him either, so I expect Nash to adjust at some point and give him a run or two, even if it's 5-10 minutes a game.

And you can't do the results thing with KD/Irving either, they're facing a tough defense that can switch everything. They do play 3-4 guards at a time for stretches and it looks better offensively, but they could at least use some LMA at the 5 for stretches, he played well for them this year.

and aldridge shot under 30% from 3 in 18 and 19 and is 32% for his career

you have no idea how he looks in practice nash does

aldridge hasn't been that good last year or this year basically a negative or slight positive overall

i can do the results thing when these guys are getting paid 35-40 million a year

[3ba11]

Durant runs into double/triple teams and takes too much time setting up his shots against an aggressive Celtics' defense. He's no MJ when it comes to protecting the ball and making quick decisions against defenses that load up on him.

MJ made it look so easy while he was scoring on the entire defense by himself.


https://youtu.be/m_nt21y8Xy0

No wasted movements. No hesitation.

Compare that to Durant in Game 1


https://youtu.be/rk5z3usmB8s

Shaky handles, doesn't make up his mind quick enough to beat the double by either pulling up early or making the right read to set up an open shot. Not strong enough to finish over multiple defenders when he does try attacking the rim.


https://youtu.be/wDwJPY-Nneg

Just compare that to KB making the quick decision to pass or shoot before the defense can force him into a TO or a heavily contested shot.

KD is an awesome player but he's struggled with these types of defenses for the majority of his career. He didn't have the spacing in OKC and defenses loaded up on him the same way, which is why his Playoff numbers were horrible compared to what he did in GS or in BKN last year. Now that the Nets don't have Harris or Harden on the perimeter, it's hard for him to get those easy looks as well. Nets are forced to play a ton of Drummond/Claxton and Bruce Brown for rebounding & defense, it hurts Durant and Irving because they don't have the spacing to keep the defense honest. It worked early on in the game as Drummond/Claxton and Brown were getting easy looks as a result of the defense being played on KD/Irving but they didn't adjust in the 2nd half when it was no longer working and the Celtics had it going offensively.

I'm surprised they haven't tried playing LMA or Blake in this series, they could really use that extra spacing.


Exactly.. In addition to Durant's drawbacks that you outlined above, Nash gets the rest of the blame..

Entire shot clocks cannot spent setting up an iso for Durant on the post or perimeter..

The offense cannot be "get the ball to Durant".. The offense should be "get an easy look".. Seth Curry gets 10-15 points via easy opportunities each game and Durant would get these same opportunities if it was an equal-opportunity offense instead of an iso offense

For example, the triangle made everyone catch the ball on the high post and then hand off to various cutters - Steve Kerr would literally catch the ball on the high post and essentially have a playmaking role of deciding which cutter to hand off to - defenses can't help off Kerr if he's catching it on the high post every other possession and consistently making cuts.. Essentially, stars like Durant benefit when the role players are empowered as threats in a good offensive scheme.

[warriorfan]

Players like KD and LeBron have a parasitic effect on their teammates, not a symbiotic one. Thus requiring them to underperform compared to their team’s talent level through non optimized play.

[tpols]

Durant hasn't trusted his teammates all year - he needs to MAKE them step up, which will free himself up - they need to free up Durant when he's facing "Jordan Rules"

but it's Nash's fault too for not seeing this and for playing your-turn-my-turn all year - consequently, the Nets don't have the chemistry that benefits role players or puts Durant and Kyrie in these great, unpredictable spots like the Celtics' players

"Your turn my turn" is the problem for sure. The Nets are so talented in their top 2 that they start to abandon all ball movement for a kyrie or Durant iso. In the play in games vs Cleveland they were using Bruce brown as their dray and it worked tremendously. When you have two superstars, snipers like curry and patty mills, ball handlers like brown, ans finishers like Claxton and Drummond this should be a no brainer. You can easily chess your way into a warriors type offense where if the defense smothers kyrie and Durant it should generate a Halfcourt fastbreak situation for the other guys. The fact that Nash hasn't implemented this AND he doesn't coach defense is extremely worrying.

[r0drig0lac]

Durant without another superstar in playoffs = loss to the Grizzlies in 5

[999Guy]

Now how could the same brain come up with: LeBron = Detlef Schrempf


If you posted like this 80% of the time and retard spammed 20%, I could accept this.

But your nonsense goes so deep it annoys me you would ever be worth reading at any point. Don’t even try to be tolerable, ever. Preach Jordan scriptures until the wheels come off

[ArbitraryWater]

Durant runs into double/triple teams and takes too much time setting up his shots against an aggressive Celtics' defense. He's no MJ when it comes to protecting the ball and making quick decisions against defenses that load up on him.

MJ made it look so easy while he was scoring on the entire defense by himself.


https://youtu.be/m_nt21y8Xy0

No wasted movements. No hesitation.

Compare that to Durant in Game 1


https://youtu.be/rk5z3usmB8s

Shaky handles, doesn't make up his mind quick enough to beat the double by either pulling up early or making the right read to set up an open shot. Not strong enough to finish over multiple defenders when he does try attacking the rim.


https://youtu.be/wDwJPY-Nneg

Just compare that to KB making the quick decision to pass or shoot before the defense can force him into a TO or a heavily contested shot.

KD is an awesome player but he's struggled with these types of defenses for the majority of his career. He didn't have the spacing in OKC and defenses loaded up on him the same way, which is why his Playoff numbers were horrible compared to what he did in GS or in BKN last year. Now that the Nets don't have Harris or Harden on the perimeter, it's hard for him to get those easy looks as well. Nets are forced to play a ton of Drummond/Claxton and Bruce Brown for rebounding & defense, it hurts Durant and Irving because they don't have the spacing to keep the defense honest. It worked early on in the game as Drummond/Claxton and Brown were getting easy looks as a result of the defense being played on KD/Irving but they didn't adjust in the 2nd half when it was no longer working and the Celtics had it going offensively.

I'm surprised they haven't tried playing LMA or Blake in this series, they could really use that extra spacing.



lmao at the kb42pah clips from his 60 pt streak deep into those games :lol

[Axe]

More talented

But Kobe had completely mastered the turnaround and so many other moves, while also being a more physical player that thrived on physicality.. Just compare their hands - Kobe had muscles popping out of his
Yet you used to call out kd for colluding before.

[ralph_i_el]

Exactly.. In addition to Durant's drawbacks that you outlined above, Nash gets the rest of the blame..

Entire shot clocks cannot spent setting up an iso for Durant on the post or perimeter..

The offense cannot be "get the ball to Durant".. The offense should be "get an easy look".. Seth Curry gets 10-15 points via easy opportunities each game and Durant would get these same opportunities if it was an equal-opportunity offense instead of an iso offense

For example, the triangle made everyone catch the ball on the high post and then hand off to various cutters - Steve Kerr would literally catch the ball on the high post and essentially have a playmaking role of deciding which cutter to hand off to - defenses can't help off Kerr if he's catching it on the high post every other possession and consistently making cuts.. Essentially, stars like Durant benefit when the role players are empowered as threats in a good offensive scheme.

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