3ball, why can LeBron win with Irving, but KD can't?

[ArbitraryWater]

Any other LeBron hater might as well feel adressed also.

[FireDavidKahn]

:roll:

Edit: 5 star.

[Shooter]

We got these bois shaking :roll: I can't wait to hear it

Shit, forget winning a ring, can KD get out of the 1st round with Kyrie? :roll:

[Airupthere]

KD never fully recovered from his injury. They never really played as a team this season.

[coastalmarker99]

Durant's legacy is in shambles.

[1987_Lakers]

KD never fully recovered from his injury. They never really played as a team this season.

Worst excuse ever. Dude is healthy. Just can't figure out Boston's defense.

[post]

circumstance

[Foster5k]

KD and Kyrie highly overrated as offensive powerhouses OR they just gave up for whatever reasons. I'm not sure what's going on. Everyone saying they're the greatest offensive duo in NBA history yet might get swept by the Celtics. The Celtics defense is good but if these guys are that great offensively, I can't see them getting swept like this. This is embarrassing.

[Johnny32]

legoat would be averaging 35 right now vs these c's. been there, done that.

[FireDavidKahn]

KD never fully recovered from his injury. They never really played as a team this season.

Durant just averged 30ppg on 52%/28%/90% along with 7.4rpg and 6.4apg

Yes he is fully recovered and back to normal. He just is choking.

[Airupthere]

Worst excuse ever. Dude is healthy. Just can't figure out Boston's defense.

And weaker east back then compared to now

[Nilocon165]

KD never fully recovered from his injury. They never really played as a team this season.
After all the great games KD’s had over the last couple years, yeah, let’s blame the injury :lol

[Airupthere]

Durant just averged 30ppg on 52%/28%/90% along with 7.4rpg and 6.4apg

Yes he is fully recovered and back to normal. He just is choking.

Prime KD would have averaged much more than that in today’s game.

[ArbitraryWater]

circumstance

i have a hard time seing how KD with Irving getting swept in the 1st round by Tatum/Brown is a circumstance so unlucky it could negate winning championships with an early prime Irving.

[ArbitraryWater]

Prime KD would have averaged much more than that in today’s game.

surely you can do better than throwing random shit out there :lol

[1987_Lakers]

And weaker east back then compared to now

They are about to get SWEPT in the 1st fvxking round. :lol

LeBron beat this same Boston team by himself in 2018, Boston is better now, but LeBron didn't have a 2nd option. This Nets team is way better than that 2018 Cavs team. Just shows you how dominant LeBron was.

[SouBeachTalents]

3ball most likely not showing his face tonight :lol Just a devastating series for his agenda.

[ImKobe]

Bran played in a weaker Conference and didn't have COVID when Kyrie was on his team.

[Foster5k]

As much as some want to hate on Lebron, he won a ring with Kyrie vs one of the best teams in NBA history. The Nets looking like they might get swept in the 1st round. That says a lot. Even the Lebron haters know that.

[Nilocon165]

Bran played in a weaker Conference and didn't have COVID when Kyrie was on his team.
Reminder: This person isn’t trying to be satirical

[Johnny32]

They are about to get SWEPT in the 1st fvxking round. :lol

LeBron beat this same Boston team by himself in 2018, Boston is better now, but LeBron didn't have a 2nd option. This Nets team is way better than that 2018 Cavs team. Just shows you how dominant LeBron was.

hell he didn't even have a bruce brown. i believe 5 c's players averaged more ppg than love in that series.

[ArbitraryWater]

Bran played in a weaker Conference and didn't have COVID when Kyrie was on his team.

Bran also would have won 2/2 championships with Kyrie if he hadnt had the ankle injury, and won 1 championship anyway against a team much better than these Celtics :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Bran played in a weaker Conference and didn't have COVID when Kyrie was on his team.

I've been telling you for a while Kyrie isn't that great. Eat shit.

[ArbitraryWater]

Reminder: This person isn’t trying to be satirical

:oldlol:


realize how he says "Bran" because he feels the shame of being a loser?

So he kind of has to give it a sarcastic twist?


Thats that shame inside of him.


Its hard to say dumb shit completely stone faced.

[Shooter]

As much as some want to hate on Lebron, he won a ring with Kyrie vs one of the best teams in NBA history. The Nets looking like they might get swept in the 1st round. That says a lot. Even the Lebron haters know that.

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[8Ball]

Serious answer:

LeBron has extremely high playmaking and floor general capabilities that KD doesn't have.

This playmaking / floor general ability is extremely useful in the playoffs, and is the reason why LeBron is a better player than KD can ever be.


Also, LeBron is much stronger than KD, so smaller players playing physical with LeBron just doesn't work as well as it does on KD.

[8Ball]

3ball most likely not showing his face tonight :lol Just a devastating series for his agenda.

:roll:

He went from Giannis overrated to top 5.
Curry overrated to top 5.

LeBron gonna end up as his GOAT when this series is over. :lol

[k0kakw0rld]

KD never fully recovered from his injury. They never really played as a team this season.

Mayne! STFU moron

[ImKobe]

Bran also would have won 2/2 championships with Kyrie if he hadnt had the ankle injury, and won 1 championship anyway against a team much better than these Celtics :lol

Maybe, maybe not. The Warriors had a great team in 2015. Even with Kyrie, it's a tough sell once the Warriors went away from Bogut in that series.

Irving & Harden both got injured last year, so that's a ring that KD probably would have won otherwise.

You can also make the Ben Simmons excuse this year as he is one of the 3 best players on the Nets and hasn't been able to play a single minute.

[Wally450]

Can't wait to hear this one lol.

[1987_Lakers]

You can also make the Ben Simmons excuse this year as he is one of the 3 best players on the Nets and hasn't been able to play a single minute.

The same Ben Simmons that was too scared to shoot last playoffs? :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Maybe, maybe not. The Warriors had a great team in 2015. Even with Kyrie, it's a tough sell once the Warriors went away from Bogut in that series.

Irving & Harden both got injured last year, so that's a ring that KD probably would have won otherwise.

You can also make the Ben Simmons excuse this year as he is one of the 3 best players on the Nets and hasn't been able to play a single minute.

The fact that KD probably would have won a ring with Kyrie AND Harden isn't saying anything.


Yeah, he better have.


Congrats?


What does Ben Simmons have to do with this? Why are you relying on additional stars being pushed into this for KD to win with Irving? :lol


Legit KD's team right now is better than LeBron's Cavs support so don't even try it.

[Johnny32]

he's actually right that kd never fully recovered. he definitely lost a step getting to the rim. but that isn't coming back and he scored efficiently all season so no excuse.

[post]

i have a hard time seing how KD with Irving getting swept in the 1st round by Tatum/Brown is a circumstance so unlucky it could negate winning championships with an early prime Irving.

whatever there will be like 100 threads about this so people can pontificate about nothing

[ArbitraryWater]

whatever there will be like 100 threads about this so people can pontificate about nothing

im assuming you have no rationalization for your claim?

[red1]

another L for 3ball. kyrie was the real supposed GOAT, remember?


lebron only finals MVP over a 70-win team.

[ImKobe]

The fact that KD probably would have won a ring with Kyrie AND Harden isn't saying anything.


Yeah, he better have.


Congrats?


What does Ben Simmons have to do with this? Why are you relying on additional stars being pushed into this for KD to win with Irving? :lol


Legit KD's team right now is better than LeBron's Cavs support so don't even try it.

The Nets were beating the Bucks even without Harden, he needed just one of those guys healthy.

Ben Simmons is a star player. As flawed as he might be, the Nets could have really used his defense/rebounding/playmaking & transition offense in this series.

KD's team right now (minus Simmons) is not better than the 2016 Cavs. He has a bunch of guards and the corpses of Drummond/Griffin/LMA. Bran had much better defensive players around him and a better coach.

[FireDavidKahn]

Kevin Durant’s career in the playoffs:

With Golden State: 38-10 (.792)
With OKC & BK: 57-49 (.538)

��*♂️��*♂️��*♂️

[ImKobe]

The same Ben Simmons that was too scared to shoot last playoffs? :lol

Who cares about the scoring. The Nets could have really used his playmaking/defense/rebounding transition offense. You don't need to put the ball in Simmons' hands in the 4th, even 20 minutes of Ben Simmons playing great defense would have been a massive upgrade over Drummond/Claxton, enough to at least swing one of the 3 games in the series.

[red1]

3ball loses again. :applause:


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[8Ball]

another L for 3ball. kyrie was the real supposed GOAT, remember?


lebron only finals MVP over a 70-win team.

Huge L.

Durant and Kyrie play Jordan Ball in 3ball's mind. Elite iso scoring supposedly puts enormous pressure on the defense and having more is better.

Sounds good on paper.

But this is disastrous for the 3ball narrative.

[1987_Lakers]

:cry::cry:

:lol

[8Ball]

3ball loses again. :applause:


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The 4 greatest moments of my life.

[kawhileonard2]

Any other LeBron hater might as well feel adressed also.

Because Covid didn't happen in 2015. Had Covid happened in 2015 what would have happened to Cavs?

[Johnny32]

The 4 greatest moments of my life.

lol

[ArbitraryWater]

The Nets were beating the Bucks even without Harden, he needed just one of those guys healthy.

Ben Simmons is a star player. As flawed as he might be, the Nets could have really used his defense/rebounding/playmaking & transition offense in this series.

KD's team right now (minus Simmons) is not better than the 2016 Cavs. He has a bunch of guards and the corpses of Drummond/Griffin/LMA. Bran had much better defensive players around him and a better coach.

they actually weren't.

they were down in game 4 before kyrie's injury, it was on pace for a 2-2 series. And that was with knowing Harden might come back which is mucb more mentally freeing.


I know Simmons is a star player. He just has nothing to do with this.


You're conflating the issue.

[3ba11]

Worst excuse ever. Dude is healthy. Just can't figure out Boston's defense.


Lebron had a 3rd perennial all-star teammate in 2016 and the current Kyrie/Durant are way past their prime and washed up by years of injuries

The numbers show this pretty clearly - Love was a 26/13 player and a luxury to have as 3rd or 4th option, while the current Kyrie/Durant have played like old, washed up bums

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron had a 3rd perennial all-star teammate in 2016, while the current Kyrie/Durant are way past their prime and washed up by years of injuries

The numbers show this pretty clearly
Love in the 2016 Finals: 9 & 7 on 47%TS

:roll:

And he missed the entirety of Game 3 as well.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron had a 3rd perennial all-star teammate in 2016, while the current Kyrie/Durant are way past their prime and washed up by years of injuries

The numbers show this pretty clearly


false.

Love missed 2 games in the 2016 finals.


Besides, Love was a role player and several current Nets are outproducing him.


Durant and Irving are objectively better players now than they were in 2016.


I see you found your excuse nieche though.


Are we gonna stick with these? :lol

[Bronbron23]

Any other LeBron hater might as well feel adressed also.

Is this a for real question? For one bron is better than kd. He was especially better in 16 compared to kd now coming off an Achilles injury.

Second, the cavs were a much better team than this nets team dude.

[John_Connor]

this isn't kyrie from 2016. that guy could drop almost 30 a game in the finals. this kyrie is lucky to do that once a season at this point

[Spurs m8]

This forum legit breeds stupidity lmao

There's no way Jeff isn't starting this shit for clicks lmfao

[RRR3]

Did snivelly really just say Kyrie and KD aren't in their primes? The same guy who thinks 37 year old 19th season LeBron is in his? :yaohappy:

[SouBeachTalents]

this isn't kyrie from 2016. that guy could drop almost 30 a game in the finals. this kyrie is lucky to do that once a season at this point
Kyrie's averaged 27 ppg in Brooklyn, more than he ever did in Cleveland.

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron had a 3rd perennial all-star teammate in 2016 and the current Kyrie/Durant are way past their prime and washed up by years of injuries

The numbers show this pretty clearly - Love was a 26/13 player and a luxury to have as 3rd or 4th option, while the current Kyrie/Durant have played like old, washed up bums
This game were also without Love.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n68wund21Ps

[3ba11]

false.

Love missed 2 games in the 2016 finals.


Besides, Love was a role player and several current Nets are outproducing him.


Durant and Irving are objectively better players now than they were in 2016.


I see you found your excuse nieche though.


Are we gonna stick with these? :lol


Is Kyrie demolishing Tatum like he did MVP Curry?

So Kyrie/Durant are clearly washed up.

And the 16' Cavs were so stacked that a 26/13 player like Love played a spot-up role

So again, these Nets didn't have a 3rd perennial all-star like Love, while Kyrie/Durant are washed up

[999Guy]

this isn't kyrie from 2016. that guy could drop almost 30 a game in the finals. this kyrie is lucky to do that once a season at this point

Wtf are you talking about ?

Kyrie dropped 60 like nothing this year. All his stats are up since he left Cleveland.

[1987_Lakers]

this isn't kyrie from 2016.

Dude averaged 27 points in the games he played this year and just turned 30.

Durant was averaging 31/7/7 in March and April.

:roll:

[Johnny32]

false.

Love missed 2 games in the 2016 finals.


Besides, Love was a role player and several current Nets are outproducing him.


Durant and Irving are objectively better players now than they were in 2016.


I see you found your excuse nieche though.


Are we gonna stick with these? :lol

lol jr smith was the cavs third best offensive player in the 16 finals.

[NBAGOAT]

Wonder what some idiots will say when the nets and kd/Kyrie start off well next year

[ArbitraryWater]

Is this a for real question? For one bron is better than kd. He was especially better in 16 compared to kd now coming off an Achilles injury.

Second, the cavs were a much better team than this nets team dude.

"coming off an injury" :oldlol:

yeah, cause of lebron you dumbass.

the rest of the players werent "much better" at ****ing all.

clown ass

[999Guy]

Is Kyrie demolishing Tatum like he did MVP Curry?

So Kyrie/Durant are clearly washed up.

And the 16' Cavs were so stacked that a 26/13 player like Love played a spot-up role

So again, these Nets didn't have a 3rd perennial all-star like Love, while Kyrie/Durant are washed up

You’re dumb.

This thread was bait and you fell for it. Don’t double down, just admit you’re stupid, it’d actually be a smart thing to do.


You have argued yourself into a position where you’re forced to say KD and Kyrie are washed up, effective immediately.

[3ba11]

Wtf are you talking about ?

Kyrie dropped 60 like nothing this year. All his stats are up since he left Cleveland.


Regular season means nothing - Kyrie dominated FMVP Curry but now is trash compared to Tatum, which means he's washed up... IT'S OVER for them being top-of-the-league players... It happens like that (snapping my fingers) - and it's over - prime gone.. tough, washed up years incoming

[ArbitraryWater]

Regular season means nothing - Kyrie dominated FMVP Curry but now is trash compared to Tatum, which means he's washed up... IT'S OVER for them being top-of-the-league players... It happens like that (snapping my fingers) - and it's over - prime gone.. tough, washed up years incoming

it doesnt matter.



he's a better player now overall, by far.


just as tatum/brown are now compared to 2018.


if he cant perform the same, thats also on kd.


you love blaming lebron for his teammates' failing to perform.


i see you apply different standards here.

[3ba11]

You’re dumb.

This thread was bait and you fell for it. Don’t double down, just admit you’re stupid, it’d actually be a smart thing to do.


You have argued yourself into a position where you’re forced to say KD and Kyrie are washed up, effective immediately.


If Kyrie was dominating the other team's best player, then Durant would be winning like Lebron did

It's impossible to lose if your sidekick is dominating the opposing team's best player - that's the only reason Lebron won with Kyrie

Lebron simply had a prime super-team, while Durant had a washed up 2-star team

[1987_Lakers]

Wtf are you talking about ?

Kyrie dropped 60 like nothing this year. All his stats are up since he left Cleveland.

He dropped 60 points like a month ago, also had a 50 point game a few days before that. Hell, in game 1 vs Boston he dropped 39. Now all of a sudden he is "washed" according to 3ball and Kenny.

These posters don't mind making themselves look like idiots in order to keep their agenda alive.

No self respect, no dignity.

[Bronbron23]

"coming off an injury" :oldlol:

yeah, cause of lebron you dumbass.

the rest of the players werent "much better" at ****ing all.

clown ass

If u don't think the 16 cavs supporting cast was significantly better than the nets supporting cast you know less about the came than i thought.

[3ba11]

He dropped 60 points like a month ago, also had a 50 point game a few days before that. Hell, in game 1 vs Boston he dropped 39. Now all of a sudden he is "washed" according to 3ball and Kenny.

These posters would rather make themselves look like idiots instead of admitting they are wrong.

No self respect, no dignity.


Regular season and playoffs are 2 different levels of comp, like college and pros.. regular season means nothing except to build chemistry and brand

It's like, why didn't Lebron win with 2010 Shaq?.. He was only 1 year older than current KD without the career-altering injury

[John_Connor]

Kyrie's averaged 27 ppg in Brooklyn, more than he ever did in Cleveland.

in what. 20 games with 15 of them being losses. who cares. him and Durant suck now. they're both like lebron and have empty stats at this point. that generation is over. move on

it's the luka/giannis era now

[Johnny32]

He dropped 60 points like a month ago, also had a 50 point game a few days before that. Hell, in game 1 vs Boston he dropped 39. Now all of a sudden he is "washed" according to 3ball and Kenny.

These posters don't mind making themselves look like idiots in order to keep their agenda alive.

No self respect, no dignity.

desperate times and such.

[1987_Lakers]

It's like, why didn't Lebron win with 2010 Shaq?.. He was only 1 year older than current KD without the career-altering injury

Was 2009 Shaq averaging 30/7/6 like KD did this year?

[kawhileonard2]

Because Covid didn't happen in 2015. Had Covid happened in 2015 what would have happened to Cavs?

Guys I need an answer!

[Johnny32]

Regular season and playoffs are 2 different levels of comp, like college and pros.. regular season means nothing except to build chemistry and brand

It's like, why didn't Lebron win with 2010 Shaq?.. He was only 1 year older than current KD without the career-altering injury

what part of he dropped 39 on 60% shooting in gm 1 is your autistic, mouth breathing, window licking, booger eating, dumbass not comprehending?

[John_Connor]

He dropped 60 points like a month ago, also had a 50 point game a few days before that. Hell, in game 1 vs Boston he dropped 39. Now all of a sudden he is "washed" according to 3ball and Kenny.

These posters don't mind making themselves look like idiots in order to keep their agenda alive.

No self respect, no dignity.

kyrie has some random hot performances but he's always trash on defense. he doesn't have a team full of defenders and bail out three ball specialists anymore like in Cleveland.. he also doesn't have a weak ass eastern conference for a free trip to the finals anymore either


kyrie is a product of a weaker inferior 2010s era when the only guy standing in lebron and kyries way was Lance Stephenson


things are different now

[3ba11]

Was 2009 Shaq averaging 30/7/6 like KD did this year?


Lebron actually played worse against the 2010 Celtics than current Durant is

The only reason the favored Cavs lost in 2010 as a massive favorite is because Lebron averaged 21 on 34% for the last 3 games - the goat quit job

Lol.. So peak Lebron was worse than current, washed up KD lol

[John_Connor]

what part of he dropped 39 on 60% shooting in gm 1 is your autistic, mouth breathing, window licking, booger eating, dumbass not comprehending?

and now we won't see that again till some time next year. so long. see yeah. have a nice day

tatum town cuckin kyrie and sweeping the the 2010s era into the trash where it belongs

[Johnny32]

kyrie has some random hot performances but he's always trash on defense. he doesn't have a team full of defenders and bail out three ball specialists anymore like in Cleveland.. he also doesn't have a weak ass eastern conference for a free trip to the finals anymore either


kyrie is a product of a weaker inferior 2010s era when the only guy standing in lebron and kyries way was Lance Stephenson


things are different now

the cavs went 7 deep in the 16 finals and everyone but lebron and kyrie shot the 3 ball below average.

[1987_Lakers]

kyrie has some random hot performances but he's always trash on defense. he doesn't have a team full of defenders and bail out three ball specialists anymore like in Cleveland.. he also doesn't have a weak ass eastern conference for a free trip to the finals anymore either


kyrie is a product of a weaker inferior 2010s era when the only guy standing in lebron and kyries way was Lance Stephenson


things are different now

Kyrie's overall impact on the game has always been overrated, he's not the defender or playmaker you expect out of him, if he was so great like 3ball says he is then he wouldn't be down 3-0 with Durant right beside him.

lol @ acting like Cleveland had some amazing defenders, they ranked near the bottom in defense in 2017. That Cleveland team in general didn't have a team full of defenders. LMAO.

What he did when he joined the Celtics should have been prove to all of you guys he isn't a #1 guy on a team. He's shown you time and time again he isn't a franchise player despite being a great talent. Now look at him, down 3-0 in the 1st round WITH Durant.

Just makes you appreciate what LeBron did in 2016 vs a 73 win team even more.

[Johnny32]

the cavs bailout 3pt shooters in the 2016 finals.

love 26%
jr - 35%
tt - 0%
shump - 26%
jefferson - 16%

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron actually played worse against the 2010 Celtics than current Durant is

The only reason the favored Cavs lost in 2010 as a massive favorite is because Lebron averaged 21 on 34% for the last 3 games - the goat quit job

Lol.. So peak Lebron was worse than current, washed up KD lol

Dodged my question.

[3ba11]

kyrie has some random hot performances but he's always trash on defense. he doesn't have a team full of defenders and bail out three ball specialists anymore like in Cleveland.. he also doesn't have a weak ass eastern conference for a free trip to the finals anymore either


kyrie is a product of a weaker inferior 2010s era when the only guy standing in lebron and kyries way was Lance Stephenson


things are different now



Boom

Times change - it isn't a weak conference anymore

Imagine if Tatum joined forces with Embiid and Siakam - that would destroy the East again by taking out 2 contenders - that's what Lebron did with Wade & Bosh.. It weakened an already historically-weak East

[Johnny32]

Lebron actually played worse against the 2010 Celtics than current Durant is

kd - 22-5-5 on 38%
lbj - 27-9-7 on 45%

full of shit...as usual.

[1987_Lakers]

kd - 22-5-5 on 38%
lbj - 27-9-7 on 45%

full of shit...as usual.

Boom

[3ba11]

kd - 22-5-5 on 38%
lbj - 27-9-7 on 45%

full of shit...as usual.


You're comparing 3 games to an entire series

Thru 3 games, KD is doing better than Lebron's last 3 games (21 on 34%)

[kawhileonard2]

Because Covid didn't happen in 2015. Had Covid happened in 2015 what would have happened to Cavs?

Hello is this on!

[Johnny32]

You're comparing 3 games to an entire series

Thru 3 games, KD is doing better than Lebron's last 3 games (21 on 34%)

hurrr, "Lebron actually played worse against the 2010 Celtics than current Durant is"

keep backtracking you desperate fat freak.

[3ba11]

hurrr, "Lebron actually played worse against the 2010 Celtics than current Durant is"

keep backtracking you desperate fat freak.


The only reason the Cavs lost a 2-1 lead is because Lebron averaged 21 on 34% for the last 3 games (worse than current Durant)

[8Ball]

Not a good night for the Jordan Ball iso scoring.

No Pippen Ball, no championship.

[3ba11]

Not a good night for the Jordan Ball iso scoring.

No Pippen Ball, no championship.


Jordan never played like Durant is now..

[1987_Lakers]

Not a good night for the Jordan Ball iso scoring.

No Pippen Ball, no championship.

1-9

[Hey Yo]

Durant just averged 30ppg on 52%/28%/90% along with 7.4rpg and 6.4apg

Yes he is fully recovered and back to normal. He just is choking.

Word

[3ba11]

1-9


Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every series with more assists for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career....And more DPOY votes every year except 96'

Pippen was the only 90's sidekick that wasn't a go-to player or a threat for elite stats in any offensive category.

Everyone that won multiple chips needed juggernaut scoring help (all-time elite scorers at sidekick), except MJ..

[Johnny32]

Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every series with more assists for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career....And more DPOY votes every year except 96'

Pippen was the only 90's sidekick that wasn't a go-to player or a threat for elite stats in any offensive category.

Everyone that won multiple chips needed juggernaut scoring help (all-time elite scorers at sidekick), except MJ..

wrong again, fatboy.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1997.html

[Johnny32]

and they tied in 92. lol guy is so full of shit it's embarrassing.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1992.html

[FireDavidKahn]

Mark Jackson’s Burner
@casualtakeking
Kyrie thinking to himself “It was never this difficult with Lebron” with all due respect
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FREz34iUcAAsNhK?format=jpg&name=900x900

[3ba11]

and they tied in 92. lol guy is so full of shit it's embarrassing.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1992.html


.

DPOY VOTING

1988.... MJ (1st).... Pip (none)
1989.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1990.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1991.... MJ (7th).... Pip (7th)
1992.... MJ (3rd).... Pip (3rd)
1993.... MJ (2nd)... Pip (none)
1996.... MJ (5th).... Pip (2nd)
1997.... MJ (5th).... Pip (4th)
1998.... MJ (4th).... Pip (9th)


93' Jordan was clearly viewed as the Bulls' best defender, and even the LEAGUE'S:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GilQsS3oifM&t=02m47s


Here's the exchange in the 91' Finals between Marv Albert and Mike Fratello when MJ gets his 2nd foul in Game 2:



ALBERT: Do you stay with Jordan on Johnson?

FRATELLO: There's no question that he's the best guy to play Magic Johnson, but maybe you pick and choose when you put him on Magic..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o8l6oM6Jeg&t=12m23s


^^^ this sentiment was echoed by the NBA in the Bulls' Championship Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeAUz2dZ_NQ&t=35m03s

[Johnny32]

lol kyrie's been trash since gm 1 too though. he probably shouldn't have missed 50+ games this season over a stupid shot because of team chemistry and shit kind of matters in a team sport.

[Johnny32]

Jordan averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every series with more assists for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career....And more DPOY votes every year except 96'

you were wrong...again. and you're desperately backtracking...again. dude is so pathetically stupid he's actually boring me.

LeIgnored.

[3ba11]

you were wrong...again. and you're desperately backtracking...again. dude is so pathetically stupid he's actually boring me.

LeIgnored.


The facts have been posted above (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584466&viewfull=1#post14584466) and it's clear that MJ was far superior to Pippen in every aspect of the game

[1987_Lakers]

3ball getting teabagged in here.

:lol

[kawhileonard2]

1-9

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

[red1]

game 5 and 6 stats when lebron won his finals MVP over a 73-win team when down 3-1. we dont need to talk about game 7 stats we already know about the GOAT nba game-7 performer's resume.


meanwhile 3ball: "buh... buh... kyrie"



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXm_Z1HXgAU589F.jpg

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron clearly has a better brand of ball. Or whatever

[LeCola]

It is nice to see that you compare Lebron with Durant or Kobe, Duncan, Curry etc.

[tpols]

I think I can say with relative certainty that this Celtic team with prime versions of Tatum and Brown is better than any team LeBron ever faced out east besides the 2008 Celtics.

The only player LeBron ever faced in the playoffs over his entire career out east that was on tatums level was 08 KG. And he got curb stomped by him.

[ShawkFactory]

I think I can say with relative certainty that this Celtic team with prime versions of Tatum and Brown is better than any team LeBron ever faced out east besides the 2008 Celtics.

The only player LeBron ever faced in the playoffs over his entire career out east that was on tatums level was 08 KG. And he got curb stomped by him.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9qLxkWpwu-I

Yea...ok

[SouBeachTalents]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9qLxkWpwu-I

Yea...ok
tpols is legitimately the least knowledgeable poster on the forum. Yeah, LeBron was dreadful the first half of the series, but they took the Celtics to the limit where he dropped 45 on them in Game 7. If LeBron got curb stomped how would be describe what happened to Kobe :lol

[ImKobe]

tpols is legitimately the least knowledgeable poster on the forum. Yeah, LeBron was dreadful the first half of the series, but they took the Celtics to the limit where he dropped 45 on them in Game 7. If LeBron got curb stomped how would be describe what happened to Kobe :lol

Kobe didn't have a 4-game stretch of shooting 25% while turning the ball over ~6 times a game in the Finals. Stop it. he had 27/5/6/3 3.3 TOV 43.2%FG through the first 4 games and they were still down 1 - 3 while Bran's team was tied 2 - 2 and could have been up 3 - 1 if he was just a little better than 2/18 with 10 TO in that 4-point Game 1 loss. Cavs won 3 games with Bran shooting below 40% in all of them.

KG outplayed Bran in the semis, just admit it. You don't have to bring Kobe into this.

[3ba11]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9qLxkWpwu-I

Yea...ok


Lebron averaged 26 on 35% in the 2008 2nd Round and was 100% shut down - a worst-ever performance

Were you aware of this before you posted that basic one-legger?

Lebron embarrassed himself in that series and the Cavs' defense kept them in it . then he was curb-stomped again in 2010 - he lost by averaging 21 on 34% for the last 3 games in an epic upset loss

[tpols]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9qLxkWpwu-I

Yea...ok

LeBron shot on 35/23/76 in that series. He got absolutely owned by KG and that defense. These are facts bro. I'm using numbers for the whole series while you're cherrypicking.

[ShawkFactory]

LeBron shot on 35/23/76 in that series. He got absolutely owned by KG and that defense. These are facts bro. I'm using numbers for the whole series while you're cherrypicking.

You’re cherry-picking shooting splits and ignoring anything else that might have happened. Bro

[tpols]

You’re cherry-picking shooting splits and ignoring anything else that might have happened. Bro

:biggums:

You have to hold the L on this one bro. You can't defend 35% shooting from the floor, 23% from deep and 75% from the line with a ton of turnovers. He had a horrible series. Are you seriously disagreeing with that? Am I gonna defend 2004 Kobe or 2016 Currys Finals performances? No. They played badly. It is what it is.

Name a team that LeBron faced in the East playoffs that was on par with prime Tatum Brown Celtics. Ill wait. The 2015 Hawks? 2011 Bulls? The Craptors? Who you got?

[ShawkFactory]

:biggums:

You have to hold the L on this one bro. You can't defend 35% shooting from the floor, 23% from deep and 75% from,the line with a ton of turnovers. He had a horrible series. Are you seriously disagreeing with that? Am I gonna defend 2004 Kobe or 2016 Currys Finals performances? No. They played badly. It is what it is.

Name a team that LeBron fa ed in the East playoffs that was on par with prime Tatum Brown Celtics. Ill wait. The 2015 Hawks? 2011 Bulls? The Craptors? Who you got?

I don’t really need to defend anything tho. Did he shoot poorly? Sure. Did he have quite a few turnover? Sure, but the series number is skewed by the 10 TOs in 1.

But he did literally everything else at a very high level and they were what..4 points from winning the series? That’s not a curbstomping. The Cavs outscored and had a higher ORTG than the Celtics.

[tpols]

I don’t really need to defend anything tho. Did he shoot poorly? Sure. Did he have quite a few turnover? Sure, but the series number is skewed by the 10 TOs in 1.

But he did literally everything else at a very high level and they were what..4 points from winning the series? That’s not a curbstomping

The fact that Lebrons team could carry him to an almost win while he produced that horribly is only proof that he had more help than people realized. Superstars rarely win with that type of production. It was all time bad. The fact that you are defending a blatantly terrible series is quite telling. LeBron wasn't even a good defender back then. His offense was 90% of his impact.

But again... name the team he faced out east on par with this Celtic team. Better yet... name a 1st round opponent he ever faced as good as this Celtic team. :oldlol: This is relevant context to the premise of this thread.

[SouBeachTalents]

I don’t really need to defend anything tho. Did he shoot poorly? Sure. Did he have quite a few turnover? Sure, but the series number is skewed by the 10 TOs in 1.

But he did literally everything else at a very high level and they were what..4 points from winning the series? That’s not a curbstomping. The Cavs outscored and had a higher ORTG than the Celtics.
He also claimed the Bulls got curb stomped by the Knicks in '94 :lol

[ShawkFactory]

The fact that Lebrons team could carry him to an almost win while he produced that horribly is only proof that he had more help than people realized. Superstars rarely win with that type of production. It was all time bad. The fact that you are defending a blatantly terrible series is quite telling. LeBron wasn't even a good defender back then. His offense was 90% of his impact.

But again... name the team he faced out east on par with this Celtic team. Better yet... name a 1st round opponent he ever faced as good as this Celtic team. :oldlol: This is relevant context to the premise of this thread.
I feel like you just parrot narratives and don’t actually analyze anything.

Check what Paul Pierce did in that 2-18 game Lebron had. Check who was guarding him.

[RRR3]

I feel like you just parrot narratives and don’t actually analyze anything.

Check what Paul Pierce did in that 2-18 game Lebron had. Check who was guarding him.
I seriously doubt any impact stats support LeBron not being a good defender in 2008 either lol

[3ba11]

they were what..4 points from winning the series? That’s not a curbstomping. The Cavs outscored and had a higher ORTG than the Celtics.


You just described how the Cavs' defense kept them in the series despite a bed-wetting Lebron (26 on 35%)

[ShawkFactory]

You just described how the Cavs' defense kept them in the series despite a bed-wetting Lebron (26 on 35%)

It was a slow-paced, poor shooting series from both teams.

Lebron scored 27..the second leading scorer for the Cavs had 12 (on 42%). That’s worse than Pippen ever did. So he wasn’t carried to shit.

[tanibanana]

This is not about Irving or Durant.
Tatum is just too good... This playoff is his superstardom coming out party.

[Wally450]

I normally just scan past 3ball posts, but decided to give the thread a full read. My god, the amount of goal post moving 3ball does is astonishing.

[ShawkFactory]

I normally just scan past 3ball posts, but decided to give the thread a full read. My god, the amount of goal post moving 3ball does is astonishing.

The human whack-a-mole