Lebron fell short all-time... durant falls short AS A SCORER.. everyone falls short

[3ba11]

of the GOAT

glad I saw him

[Westbrook_Fan]

Jordan fell short as a winner (1-9 and missed playoffs in 14th and 15th seasons)

[Full Court]

OP is spot on. At this point, the GOAT is pretty clear cut. 8ball might be waiting another 30 years for someone to finally surpass MJ :lol

[ImKobe]

Jordan's literally the only ATG who didn't have these horrible ass series in losses. His one "upset" was losing to the Magic after returning at the end of the '95 RS while being out of shape, and even then he averaged 31/7/4/3/2 on 47.7%FG & was the best player in the series.

It might be a long time before we have another ATG as consistent as Jordan. He's the undisputed GOAT for a reason. Always the best player on his team in any series. He only got outscored once in a series his entire career, and even then it was by the slimmest margin (1 point) and he was a rookie who put up 29/6/9/3/1 averages in the series.

[Hey Yo]

4 titles >>>>> 3

[Shooter]

The list is here. Good luck

https://i.postimg.cc/x12hpMjy/aa_records.png

[Hey Yo]

Jordan's literally the only ATG who didn't have these horrible ass series in losses. His one "upset" was losing to the Magic after returning at the end of the '95 RS while being out of shape, and even then he averaged 31/7/4/3/2 on 47.7%FG & was the best player in the series.

It might be a long time before we have another ATG as consistent as Jordan. He's the undisputed GOAT for a reason. Always the best player on his team in any series. He only got outscored once in a series his entire career, and even then it was by the slimmest margin (1 point) and he was a rookie who put up 29/6/9/3/1 averages in the series.

Players who are allegedly out of shape don't put up 55pts against the best defense in the league their 5th game back.

Even him changing jersey numbers from 45 back to 23 couldn't save his choke job.

[John_Connor]

durant wasn't chasing jordan. he didn't fall short. he's just kevin durant. a top 12 to 15 player all time with curry. they were great but their era was trash. same reason we don't give lebron much credit for his success


2010s is finished. time to move on

[3ba11]

Players who are allegedly out of shape don't put up 55pts against the best defense in the league their 5th game back.

Even him changing jersey numbers from 45 back to 23 couldn't save his choke job.


MJ was the best player in the series, while Pippen choked - anytime a series was close or lost, it was Pippen's fault - look it up... He averaged 19 on 40% in that series.

Btw, Durant lacks moves to shed tight defenders like the Byron Russell push-off, bodying defenders on turnaround jumpers, or moves like this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fstp4oLAvWU&t=0m58s

[John_Connor]

The list is here. Good luck

https://i.postimg.cc/x12hpMjy/aa_records.png

hes missed the playoffs twice and got knocked out in the first round in 4 years out west. if he didn't have that weak leastern conference era gifting him millions of playoff games from a free finals pass every year he wouldn't have cracked the top 10 in playoff points

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What's your assessment of Durant's play? Choking? Can't play against physical defense? Needs a superteam?

The way he's playing is shades of Tony Allen's clampdown. We knew Boston's defense was pretty good, but to hold KD to 16 points.... Dude had just 1 fieldgoal in the 4th :lol

[ImKobe]

Players who are allegedly out of shape don't put up 55pts against the best defense in the league their 5th game back.

Even him changing jersey numbers from 45 back to 23 couldn't save his choke job.

He was in baseball shape, not training to play basketball for most of that season. He still played really well, and the Magic outplayed the Bulls in crunch time. It happens. That wasn't an all-time bad series by Jordan either. You can call it a choke, but Jordan never lost a series with HCA. That's just GOAT stuff.

[ImKobe]

What's your assessment of Durant's play? Choking? Can't play against physical defense? Needs a superteam?

The way he's playing is shades of Tony Allen's clampdown. We knew Boston's defense was pretty good, but to hold KD to 16 points.... Dude had just 1 fieldgoal in the 4th :lol

Can't really do much against that defense. Celtics were daring Kyrie, Bruce Brown, Mills & Blake Griffin to beat them down the stretch & it ****ing worked because they already had a big enough cushion as the Nets can't play defense when it matters.

[GimmeThat]

pretty sure Jordan is too old by now to be setting any records as the president

[tpols]

Its odd because last year the Nets faced the Celtics in the 1st round and KD hung 32/7/3 on 55/50/92 splits against Tatum. He was totally dominant. Its amazing how he's shitting the bed here against the same opponent.

[3ba11]

Its odd because last year the Nets faced the Celtics in the 1st round and KD hung 32/7/3 on 55/50/92 splits against Tatum. He was totally dominant. Its amazing how he's shitting the bed here against the same opponent.


It happens overnight (guys exiting their prime)

Tall ball-handlers need a certain level of quickness to be viable with a live dribble - Durant has lost that - gone are the days where he has the explosiveness to drag defenders side to side - no more 6'10" Deron Williams-style

[3ba11]

What's your assessment of Durant's play? Choking? Can't play against physical defense? Needs a superteam?

The way he's playing is shades of Tony Allen's clampdown. We knew Boston's defense was pretty good, but to hold KD to 16 points.... Dude had just 1 fieldgoal in the 4th :lol


Tatum appears to be free of the tight coverage that Durant faces because the Celtics have developed organic chemistry - defenses can't load up on 1 guy against the Celtics' movement, whereas it's easy to load up on 1 guy when facing a your-turn-my-turn style of play.

This idea that the Nets "didn't need a coach" to help their chemistry and brand of ball got Durant locked up in this series.. And him exiting his prime

[tpols]

It happens overnight (guys exiting their prime)

Tall ball-handlers need a certain level of quickness to be viable with a live dribble - Durant has lost that - gone are the days where he has the explosiveness to drag defenders side to side - no more 6'10" Deron Williams-style

I don't think that's it though. Durant looks just as athletic now as he did last year. He had a dominant season until the past 3 games. I think the celtics last year had no confidence they could beat the nets as heavy underdogs without HCA. if the nets had HCA this year there's no way they lose game 1. And they were up 15+ in game 2 so they probably finish that too. Home court and confidence matter a lot. KD just choked starting out on the road in that hostile Boston environment. And he's working with negative momentum now instead of positive.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Tatum appears to be free of the tight coverage that Durant faces because the Celtics have developed organic chemistry - defenses can't load up on 1 guy against the Celtics' movement, whereas it's easy to load up on 1 guy when facing a your-turn-my-turn style of play.

This idea that the Nets "didn't need a coach" to help their chemistry and brand of ball got Durant locked up in this series.. And him exiting his prime

Steve Nash should be gone after this series. His rotations suck, and the Nets have zero defensive identity.

Yall don't think Durant's in his prime tho? I mean... last year, he came off an achilles injury and was INSANE vs Milwaukee.

I get it. Its a year to year thing, but he might just be getting clamped. Which others call choking.

KD's gotten shaded and faced multiple defenders, sure. But Tatum's also done a phenomenal job individually. His endurance is pretty impressive. Not sure where you rank him, but Tatum's got a case for best 2-way perimeter player.

[3ba11]

Steve Nash should be gone after this series. His rotations suck, and the Nets have zero defensive identity.

Yall don't think Durant's in his prime tho? I mean... last year, he came off an achilles injury and was INSANE vs Milwaukee.

I get it. Its a year to year thing, but he might just be getting clamped. Which others call choking.

Not sure where you rank Tatum.... Is he the best 2 way perimeter player? KD's gotten shaded and faced multiple defenders, sure. But Tatum's also done a phenomenal job individually. His endurance is pretty impressive.


Why isn't Tatum facing crazy coverage and getting locked up?

It's because the Celtics' offensive scheme doesn't allow it - you can't load up on 1 guy against great chemistry and a more equal-opportunity-themed offense

[Full Court]

pretty sure Jordan is too old by now to be setting any records as the president

He's too old to be spinning records, for sure, but he can still set records as the president if he decides to run.

[Shooter]

hes missed the playoffs twice and got knocked out in the first round in 4 years out west. if he didn't have that weak leastern conference era gifting him millions of playoff games from a free finals pass every year he wouldn't have cracked the top 10 in playoff points

How many times can a thin-lipped autist be wrong? How many times? How do you do it?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Why isn't Tatum facing crazy coverage and getting locked up?

It's because the Celtics' offensive scheme doesn't allow it - you can't load up on 1 guy against great chemistry and a more equal-opportunity-themed offense

Boston's playing well together. Of course.

But the Nets defense is trash. Surely you've noticed that by now....

[GimmeThat]

He's too old to be spinning records, for sure, but he can still set records as the president if he decides to run.

so the GOAT is going undrafted? damn

[Full Court]

so the GOAT is going undrafted? damn

He's too old for the draft. But I don't think he ever dodged it, so that will help him if he does decide to run.

[8Ball]

Last night's loss hurts Jordan stans.

Iso scoring lovers having a hard time right now.

[Taurus]

Its odd because last year the Nets faced the Celtics in the 1st round and KD hung 32/7/3 on 55/50/92 splits against Tatum. He was totally dominant. Its amazing how he's shitting the bed here against the same opponent.

People really underestimate just how much Harden did in running that offense. His penetration and passing were a nightmare for the Celtics to deal with last year. Don't know how well he'd be doing against the Celtics this year after the injuries, but I could easily see the Nets being up 2-1.

[3ba11]

Last night's loss hurts Jordan fans for some reason.


Everyone thought KD's scoring was on MJ's level

But now it's clear that it isn't

He lacks strength and power and strategy

[RRR3]

Everyone thought KD's scoring was on MJ's level

But now it's clear that it isn't

He lacks strength and power and strategy
Why are you so snivelly?

[John_Connor]

How many times can a thin-lipped autist be wrong? How many times? How do you do it?

how can I be wrong when we have the evidence over the past 4 years of lebrons empty stat padding only leading to lottery teams outside of a Disney bubble gum AD ring pop

[1987_Lakers]

Durant wouldn't look this bad if he had LeBron's passing ability.

[John8204]

KD lost his manhood when he joined a 73 win team
KD lost his legacy when he left a championship winning team
KD lost his damn mind when he grabbed Kyrie and Harden

[John_Connor]

Durant wouldn't look this bad if he had LeBron's passing ability.

and roid ability

[tpols]

Durant wouldn't look this bad if he had LeBron's passing ability.

LeBron has never been bum rushed doubled 25+ feet from the hoop at a rate like Durant is. Or basically ever for that matter. He's dishing it to the roll man fine but nothing more has come of it.

LeBron has never faced a team in the east as good as these celtics. He faced a baby version of them in 2018 and almost lost. He would get smoked by this version.

[GimmeThat]

Durant wouldn't look this bad if he had LeBron's passing ability.

Kyrie is a black hole on the cross side 3 point passes, which caused Embiid many TOs against the Raptors, since it was pretty much invented for the "oh no, I touched someone, that's a foul" whistles

[StrongLurk]

LeBron has never been bum rushed doubled 25+ feet from the hoop at a rate like Durant is. Or basically ever for that matter. He's dishing it to the roll man fine but nothing more has come of it.

LeBron has never faced a team in the east as good as these celtics. He faced a baby version of them in 2018 and almost lost. He would get smoked by this version.

:roll:

[8Ball]

LeBron has never been bum rushed doubled 25+ feet from the hoop at a rate like Durant is. Or basically ever for that matter. He's dishing it to the roll man fine but nothing more has come of it.

LeBron has never faced a team in the east as good as these celtics. He faced a baby version of them in 2018 and almost lost. He would get smoked by this version.

LeBron has played 19 NBA seasons and coaches never doubled LeBron.

Laugh my ass off.

[John_Connor]

LeBron has played 19 NBA seasons and coaches never doubled LeBron.

Laugh my ass off.

yeah he's doubled but he just passes to a hoard of three point shooters to bail him out every time. when he doesn't have those guys all around him he misses the playoffs

[StrongLurk]

Bron is the second best player of all time. Durant is in the top fifteen or so.

Both are players worthy of tons of respect for their basketball abilities.

[John8204]

Durant might have the ability to be a top 15 player but his execution has him in the 20-30 range and he's dropping hard.

[3ba11]

LeBron has played 19 NBA seasons and coaches never doubled LeBron.

Laugh my ass off.


There's tons of statistical sources that confirm Lebron doesn't get doubled:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OAQVnPRolsk&t=12s

https://www.espn.com/espn/sportscenter/story/_/id/13057768


Double-teams compromise a defense by creating a 4-on-3 off-the-ball.

Lebron's scoring ability isn't lethal enough to warrant this gamble..

Specifically, his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams so they don't mind him dominating the ball (less ball movement/weaker brand of ball)..

He can't produce enough via jumpshooting to warrant double-teaming on the perimeter, so defenses simply meet him at the rim with multiple defenders like they would any penetrator.