so wait... mj had the highest peak AND floor??

[3ba11]

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Worst-ever 3-game stretch in Playoffs


96' Jordan Finals..... 24 on 37% (gm 4-6)*
89' Jordan ECF........ 24 on 45% (gm 4-6)

11' Lebron Finals..... 14 on 39% (gm 3-5)
10' Lebron ECSF ..... 21 on 34% (gm 4-6)
13' Lebron Finals..... 16 on 39% (gm 1-3)


* goat floor

[theman93]

:lebronamazed::lebronamazed::lebronamazed:

[Westbrook_Fan]

No.. he had the lowest floor (1-9 without Pippen and two missed playoffs)

Which other All time Great was 1-9 without their 2nd option?

[1987_Lakers]

No.. he had the lowest floor (1-9 without Pippen and two missed playoffs)

Which other All time Great was 1-9 without their 2nd option?

Ouch

[3ba11]

No.. he had the lowest floor (1-9 without Pippen and two missed playoffs)

Which other All time Great was 1-9 without their 2nd option?


Everyone else was lottery WITH their 2nd option like Lebron this year or 2019, or 05' when he had the East all-star center

This season or the 11' Finals are #1 and #2 for biggest underachevement

[Westbrook_Fan]

Everyone else was lottery WITH their 2nd option like Lebron this year or 2019, or 05' when he had the East all-star center

This season or the 11' Finals are #1 and #2 for biggest underachevement

LeBron was championship without his 2nd option, when he didn’t have Wade and still won in 2016 and 2020

MJ without his 2nd option was 1-9 and missed playoffs

[BarberSchool]

Speaking on Jordan’s floor:

I was nerding out on basketballreference.com years ago, and ran into an interesting comparative stat line:
It was more than PPG & FG%, both those are the two stats I know were part of it for sure:

Jordan’s worst ever NBA finals PPG & FG%

Was better than:

Kobe’s best ever NBA finals PPG & FG%

[BarberSchool]

And let’s not forget, Peak finals JORDAN

93 FINALS MJ

41.7PPG on 57.1FG%

[j3lademaster]

Speaking on Jordan’s floor:

I was nerding out on basketballreference.com years ago, and ran into an interesting comparative stat line:
It was more than PPG & FG%, both those are the two stats I know were part of it for sure:

Jordan’s worst ever NBA finals PPG & FG%

Was better than:

Kobe’s best ever NBA finals PPG & FG%There's no way that's true. Maybe better than Kobe's overall finals avg.

[SouBeachTalents]

There's no way that's true. Maybe better than Kobe's overall finals avg.
Damn, that sadly would be true :lol

[j3lademaster]

Damn, that sadly would be true :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06HHURCNSw

Seriously though, I think Kobe has pretty good finals numbers without 2000 right?

[Hey Yo]

And let’s not forget, Peak finals JORDAN

93 FINALS MJ

41.7PPG on 57.1FG%

On 33fga per game.


meh

[Hey Yo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06HHURCNSw

Seriously though, I think Kobe has pretty good finals numbers without 2000 right?

He's a career 41% shooter in his 7 Finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06HHURCNSw

Seriously though, I think Kobe has pretty good finals numbers without 2000 right?
If we're holding him to top 10 all time status, which is where a lot of people think he should be ranked

2001: Inefficient, played pretty well after a horrific Game 1, Shaq with a GOAT tier Finals
2002: Good series, Shaq with a GOAT tier Finals
2004: All time bad
2008: Bad, really struggled over the final 3 games
2009: Below average efficiency, but good series
2010: Inefficient, had the infamous 6/24 Game 7

Even taking out 2000, Kobe was consistently unimpressive in the Finals, and pretty clearly the worst Finals performer of any top 10 player.

[Ne 1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06HHURCNSw

Seriously though, I think Kobe has pretty good finals numbers without 2000 right?

In general, Kobe was a great playoff performer, although not as good in the Finals, but if you break down his Finals, he wasn't been bad either.

[Ne 1]

In general, Kobe was a great playoff performer, although not as good in the Finals, but if you break down his Finals, he wasn't been bad either.


In general, Kobe was a great playoff performer, although not as good in the Finals, but if you break down his Finals, he wasn't been bad either.

Here's my breakdown of them:

2000 vs Pacers- He did have a subpar series in general, though a lot of that can be attributed to the injury in Game 2 which left him hobbled the rest of the series. Jalen Rose admittedly, intentionally injured him. He twisted his ankle early in the 1st quarter and left the game. He also didn't play in game 3, but returned the next game. He put the team on his back and carried them to victory after Shaq fouled out in the 4th quarter, he hit 4 huge free throws and lit the Pacers up in overtime. So considering he came up with a legendary clutch performance in game 4 and also put up 26/10/4/2/1 with only 1 turn over, playing excellent defense in the clinching game so it's not a big deal in terms of his legacy.

His defense on Mark Jackson was excellent throughout that series.

Here's a Sports Illustrated segment after Game 1:

“Kobe Bryant's ball pressure on Pacers point guard Mark Jackson was tremendous. It didn't cause turnovers, but it kept Indiana from getting into its half court offense quickly, and thus disrupted the timing. Kobe also did a good job chasing Miller when assigned to him.”
2001 vs Sixers- He struggled in the Game 1 loss with his shot being off, but had a solid all around series, particularly after game 1 (27/9/6 through the 4 wins), and the Lakers won in 5 with a back door sweep. Definitely not a bad series, particularly against a defensive powerhouse like Larry Brown's 2001 Sixers. He contributed on both ends of the court, and had a few triple double type games. 31/8/6/2/2 in Game 2 and also, in Game 3, he had a memorable streak, I think it was in the 3rd quarter, when he got hot and sank like 6 or 7 baskets without a miss, most from about 18 feet, making the traditionally tough Philly fans go "oooh".

2002- Excellent series. One of the best ever by a player who didn't win Finals MVP in a winning effort. And of course the Lakers swept the series. The Nets were also an excellent defensive team (Ranked #1). He sank the game clinching basket in Game 3 and put up 35/11/2/4 61 FG% to give the Lakers a commanding 3-0 series lead.

2004- Yeah, horrible series. A legit excuse though is that ‘04 Pistons team was perhaps the greatest defensive team in history. To his credit, he played good defense this series and saved the Lakers from getting swept in game 2 with 33/7/4/3 and a clutch bucket.

2008- Not nearly as bad as people made it out to be. I never held this series against him. First of all, nobody on the Lakers played well enough to prevent that legendary Celtics defense from swarming him. Gasol reverted to Gasoft on both ends of the floor against KG in that series making Kobe's poor shooting series understandable. Look at what the other great perimeter star, LeBron did vs that Celtics defense, he shot 35% and averaged over 5 turnovers. The Celtics loaded up on Kobe with tunnel vision because there was nobody else they needed to focus on. So yeah, he shot poorly, but with one of the greatest defensive teams of all time focusing almost entirely on one player, it's not a big deal. Boston also had a much more talented team with the Lakers missing Bynum and Ariza.

2009- Huge Game 1 to get the series off on the right track (40/8/8/2/2 47 FG%), very solid series and a comfortable 5 game victory. He faced yet another elite defensive team as well (Ranked #1).

2010- Wasn't exactly a great series by any means, but he was still easily the best player overall in the series and he had some big games, in fact people were talking about Kobe getting Finals MVP even if the Lakers had lost through 6. And once again, he was facing an excellent defensive team.

[ImKobe]

Yes.

Never lost with HCA.
Was only outscored once in a series (rookie year & by 1 point), always was the best player on his team in every series. Never lost in the Finals. It sounds impossible, but that's exactly what Jordan's career was. It's impossible to replicate the GOAT. Many have tried, none have come close.

[BarberSchool]

There's no way that's true. Maybe better than Kobe's overall finals avg.
I distinctly recall Jordan’s WORST of his 6 championship finals PPG & FG% being better than Kobe’s BEST of his 5 championship finals averages in those same two categories and several others.


IIRC, Kobe’s best PPG & FG% finals appearances were in finals where the Lakers LOST.

We’re not even gonna get deep into just how terrible LeBron’s worst finals averages are all over again. But they’re absolutely embarrassigly pitiful.
Read it and weep, son.

[j3lademaster]

I distinctly recall Jordan’s WORST of his 6 championship finals PPG & FG% being better than Kobe’s BEST of his 5 championship finals averages in those same two categories and several others.

Read it and weep, son.I looked them up. Kobe's best is undoubtedly 09 where he put up 32/6/7 on 43/36/84 (https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kobe-bryant-finals-stats-by-year). That's not too bad. 02 and 10 look better as well. And I'm not trying to suggest Kobe > MJ here, but your initial claim just felt really out there.

[BarberSchool]

I looked them up. Kobe's best is undoubtedly 09 where he put up 32/6/7 on 43/36/84 (https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kobe-bryant-finals-stats-by-year). That's not too bad. 02 and 10 look better as well. And I'm not trying to suggest Kobe > MJ here, but your initial claim just felt really out there.Did the Lakers win titles in 02, 09, and 10 ?
Or were those appearances ?

[j3lademaster]

Did the Lakers win titles in 02, 09, and 10 ?
Or were those appearances ?titles

[Baller789]

A few months ago I had Lebron as having a higher floor than Jordan.

But after this circus of a season wherin the Lakers were favored to win the title, failing to even qualify for the play-in tourney has wrecked the lowest of the basement floors for me.

[Shooter]

No.. he had the lowest floor (1-9 without Pippen and two missed playoffs)

Which other All time Great was 1-9 without their 2nd option?

Wrap it up.

Ez work

[Baller789]

I have the lowest floor IQ

Yes we know Shooter.

[kawhileonard2]

No.. he had the lowest floor (1-9 without Pippen and two missed playoffs)

Which other All time Great was 1-9 without their 2nd option?

lebron is 0-16 he missed the playoffs 4 times with stacked rosters at that.