"players that got swept the most in nba history" guess who...

[John_Connor]

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[Kblaze8855]

It would take more digging than is worth it to find them all but more than them have 6. Like Hakeem off the top of my head.

[John_Connor]

It would take more digging than is worth it to find them all but more than them have 6. Like Hakeem off the top of my head.

hakeem got swept twice

[Kblaze8855]

I feel like it was Hakeem that came up in some stupid topic. Maybe that Giannis loving troll who always made Giannis vs Hakeem topics. Wouldn’t be shocked if he weren’t a reliable source on such things.

[Kblaze8855]

Yea was was Hakeem in a topic where I assume whoever did the anti Hakeem tally didn’t know series used to be shorter.

[ImKobe]

Gasol was 0 - 16 in his first 16 Playoff games w/o Kobe, which is an underrated stat. People would try to make the "Gasol is a better/more valuable player than Kobe" argument for years but he couldn't win ONE GAME as the man in 16 tries?

[Kblaze8855]

When Kobe asked for the trade Gasol was also thought to be available from Memphis and I remember really wanting the Gasol trade for Chicago not Kobe. The lakers told team they wanted their 4 best players for Kobe. That would have turned most teams to a worse version of the lakers. You’d have the Tmac Magic. Gasol would have come cheaper. Was a whole debate at the time on better player vs better value.

[ShawkFactory]

Gasol was 0 - 16 in his first 16 Playoff games w/o Kobe, which is an underrated stat. People would try to make the "Gasol is a better/more valuable player than Kobe" argument for years but he couldn't win ONE GAME as the man in 16 tries?

That's obviously not a serious thing.

He went 0-12 and the loses were to the Spurs, Suns, and Mavs. Pretty tough to go up against with Chucky Atkins and Mike Miller by your side.

[John_Connor]

That's obviously not a serious thing.

He went 0-12 and the loses were to the Spurs, Suns, and Mavs. Pretty tough to go up against with Chucky Atkins and Mike Miller by your side.

gasol got swept with dwight, artest and nash too

[ImKobe]

That's obviously not a serious thing.

He went 0-12 and the loses were to the Spurs, Suns, and Mavs. Pretty tough to go up against with Chucky Atkins and Mike Miller by your side.

But he averaged just 6 ****ing rebounds in those 3 series as a 7-footer. He can't win ONE home Playoff game? Not one game where you could rely on him and get a 30-point performance? It's not like the Grizzlies were a .500 team either. He had good defenders. Shane Battier was one of the best wing defenders in the league at the time, he had Jason Williams when they won 50 games that one year. It wasn't a contender but you can't win ONE game with those guys? He had James Posey and Bonzi Wells too, they had a couple solid teams that played good defense. They won 45 games in '05 when Gasol missed 26 games (17 - 9 without Gasol) and were a 50-win team the year before. They also won 49 games in '06 and had the #2 defense and were 5th in Net Rating and still got swept by the Mavs.

It just doesn't look good, though I think Gasol is a better player than that. He just couldn't do it as the guy, which is why Memphis blew it all up and got rid of him for pennies on the dollar at the time, though that trade looked ****ing amazing down the line once Marc came into the league and was an impact player from the start.

[iamgine]

Other than the two championship runs, Gasol's not that good in the playoff.

[Axe]

But he averaged just 6 ****ing rebounds in those 3 series as a 7-footer. He can't win ONE home Playoff game? Not one game where you could rely on him and get a 30-point performance? It's not like the Grizzlies were a .500 team either. He had good defenders. Shane Battier was one of the best wing defenders in the league at the time, he had Jason Williams when they won 50 games that one year. It wasn't a contender but you can't win ONE game with those guys? He had James Posey and Bonzi Wells too, they had a couple solid teams that played good defense. They won 45 games in '05 when Gasol missed 26 games (17 - 9 without Gasol) and were a 50-win team the year before. They also won 49 games in '06 and had the #2 defense and were 5th in Net Rating and still got swept by the Mavs.

It just doesn't look good, though I think Gasol is a better player than that. He just couldn't do it as the guy, which is why Memphis blew it all up and got rid of him for pennies on the dollar at the time, though that trade looked ****ing amazing down the line once Marc came into the league and was an impact player from the start.
Are you trying to tell us that he's kevin love before kevin love, except for some different circumstances like he had lesser all-star selections with his original team while they made the playoffs for more than once when he's still with them?

[ImKobe]

Are you trying to tell us that he's kevin love before kevin love, except for some different circumstances like he had lesser all-star selections with his original team while they made the playoffs for more than once when he's still with them?

Basically. Love didn't have as much help in Minnesota, or him/his teammates got injured when they were competing for the Playoffs. Obviously the two were very different players and didn't have the same exact strengths, though Minny Love was a good post scorer and a dominant rebounder and could make plays for his teammates as well.

They both fall into that tier of being great players who needed a true alpha to lead them in the POs.

[Kblaze8855]

. But he averaged just 6 ****ing rebounds in those 3 series as a 7-footer. He can't win ONE home Playoff game? Not one game where you could rely on him and get a 30-point performance? It's not like the Grizzlies were a .500 team either. He had good defenders. Shane Battier was one of the best wing defenders in the league at the time, he had Jason Williams when they won 50 games that one year. It wasn't a contender but you can't win ONE game with those guys? He had James Posey and Bonzi Wells too, they had a couple solid teams that played good defense.




Take a second to think about this….

That argument(look who he played with) has been made a thousand times to criticize a lack of playoff success.

You imagine it was ever made with a worse list of players than you just made?

Seriously.

In your experience has that argument ever been made…with worse players than that?

[SouBeachTalents]

Take a second to think about this….

That argument(look who he played with) has been made a thousand times to criticize a lack of playoff success.

You imagine it was ever made with a worse list of players than you just made?

Seriously.

In your experience has that argument ever been made…with worse players than that?
Lamar Odom is better than anybody he listed :lol

[tpols]

That's obviously not a serious thing.

He went 0-12 and the loses were to the Spurs, Suns, and Mavs. Pretty tough to go up against with Chucky Atkins and Mike Miller by your side.

Those Grizzly teams were well rounded. They had like 5+ guys in double figures. Pau was a bum without Kobe. His brother marc was better and went on to lead the grizzlies to more playoff success than they've ever had otherwise.

[ShawkFactory]

Take a second to think about this….

That argument(look who he played with) has been made a thousand times to criticize a lack of playoff success.

You imagine it was ever made with a worse list of players than you just made?

Seriously.

In your experience has that argument ever been made…with worse players than that?

Seriously. James Posey and Bonzi Wells? :lol

Just naming players isn't an argument. Every NBA basketball team...has average NBA players on it.

[ShawkFactory]

Those Grizzly teams were well rounded. They had like 5+ guys in double figures. Pau was a bum without Kobe. His brother marc was better and went on to lead the grizzlies to more playoff success than they've ever had otherwise.

:facepalm

[ImKobe]

Take a second to think about this….

That argument(look who he played with) has been made a thousand times to criticize a lack of playoff success.

You imagine it was ever made with a worse list of players than you just made?

Seriously.

In your experience has that argument ever been made…with worse players than that?

Wasn't Bonzi wells a 17 ppg scorer on a Playoff team before going to Memphis? Jason Williams wasn't a good player who went to Miami and started for a championship team in '06? He didn't have Eddie Jones in '06, who was the 3rd option on a Miami team that made the ECF the year before? Mike Miller hasn't been a floor spacer and played big minutes on championship teams? Shane Battier? They didn't go 17 - 9 without him in '05?

It's not a great list of players, but you can't give me one game? Those 1st round opponents were obviously tough, but it still looks bad if people are going to hold Gasol to an MVP standard. Idk, I don't want to go further on this because Pau was a great player & a perfect co-star for KB and an ideal fit for the triangle.


Seriously. James Posey and Bonzi Wells? :lol

Just naming players isn't an argument. Every NBA basketball team...has average NBA players on it.

Also 3 guys who started or played good minutes on championship teams and a bunch of others who played big roles on other Playoff teams.. but hey, just scrubs, right? Not like those teams had top 10 SRS numbers, or a great defense, or had success with Gasol injured in '05.. nope.

[tpols]

:facepalm

They actually had 7 guys in double figures in 2006. And were swept by Dirk and the Mavs. There s no excuse to be 0-16 in your prime in the playoffs. He couldn't even win one game.

[Kblaze8855]

Yes they are all nba players who played a while and did things. Like Michael Dickerson or David Wesley or…whoever. But let me ask you again.

Youre an internet argument veteran who has seen that “But he played with….” argument as many times as I have. So I wouldn’t mind an answer if it’s not too much trouble.

Have you ever seen a worse list of players in a “Look who he played with. He should have won more.” argument?

I really…can’t imagine you have. Hard question I know but your difficulty coming up with a possible answer speaks for itself. I know I can’t come up with an answer.

[ShawkFactory]

Wasn't Bonzi wells a 17 ppg scorer on a Playoff team before going to Memphis? Jason Williams wasn't a good player who went to Miami and started for a championship team in '06? He didn't have Eddie Jones in '06, who was the 3rd option on a Miami team that made the ECF the year before? Mike Miller hasn't been a floor spacer and played big minutes on championship teams? Shane Battier? They didn't go 17 - 9 without him in '05?

It's not a great list of players, but you can't give me one game? Those 1st round opponents were obviously tough, but it still looks bad if people are going to hold Gasol to an MVP standard. Idk, I don't want to go further on this because Pau was a great player & a perfect co-star for KB and an ideal fit for the triangle.



Also 3 guys who started or played good minutes on championship teams and a bunch of others who played big roles on other Playoff teams.. but hey, just scrubs, right? Not like those teams had top 10 SRS numbers, or a great defense, or had success with Gasol injured in '05.. nope.

I didn't say they were scrubs. They're perfectly average players. Every team has those.

Some teams have several supporting guys better than average.

[1987_Lakers]

The usual suspects ImKobe and Tpols making themselves look like morons again.

[John_Connor]

The usual suspects ImKobe and Tpols making themselves look like morons again.

you mocked kobe for 15 years cause he lost in the first round to a 2nd seed sun's team with kwame and smush in the starting lineup and they came 1 rebound away from winning the series


yet you won't even entertain the thought of giving Pau gasol any criticism for never winning a single game in his life as the #1 option. 0 wins... 16 losses


it is you who looks like a moron daily on here

[1987_Lakers]

you mocked kobe for 15 years cause he lost in the first round to a 2nd seed sun's team with kwame and smush in the starting lineup and they came 1 rebound away from winning the series


yet you won't even entertain the thought of giving Pau gasol any criticism for never winning a single game in his life as the #1 option. 0 wins... 16 losses


it is you who looks like a moron daily on here

No, I just find it funny how ImKobe brings up Gasol's playoff record while AD had years where he didn't even make the playoffs and always faulted his teammates for it, now we see this dude hyping up Pau's cast like if they were any good.

[ShawkFactory]

They actually had 7 guys in double figures in 2006. And were swept by Dirk and the Mavs. There s no excuse to be 0-16 in your prime in the playoffs. He couldn't even win one game.

And they were in no way comparable to the help that Marc had. In absolutely no way.

[HoopsNY]

The usual suspects ImKobe and Tpols making themselves look like morons again.

They have a point though. The point isn't that Gasol should have a long stream of successes, but the long list of failures where he absolutely got crushed on the boards, barely averaging like 5 rebounds in elimination games is pretty bad.

AD in that series against POR put up 47/10/1/3 on 65% in the deciding game. In the elimination game against GS in 2015 he put up 36/11/1/3 on 70%. In 2018 against GS again, 34/19/1/3 on 50%.