Worst team in the Clutch so far this PS

[hold this L]

Was the Nets! :applause: Go to 3:50.


https://youtu.be/-_KUEaaKvIY?t=225

Worst in..

Record, Points, OFF Rtg, Net Rtg, FG %, Assists, Plus/Minus. Keep in mind these two guys have been touted as the two best clutch players in the NBA for the last 5 years by the media. :bowdown:

[RRR3]

Can we stop pretending Kyrie is some legendary playoff performer now? He’s pooped his pants both times he played in the playoffs without LBJ.

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Can we stop pretending Kyrie is some legendary playoff performer now? He’s pooped his pants both times he played in the playoffs without LBJ.
What about KD?

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[Akeem34TheDream]

Why was Draymond crying in the parking lot? Did Kyrie outplay unanimous mvp or did he not? Them sucking now doesn't change the past unfortunately.

[hold this L]

Why was Draymond crying in the parking lot? Did Kyrie outplay unanimous mvp or did he not? Them sucking now doesn't change the past unfortunately.

Of course it doesn't, Warriors and Steph choked horrendously in that series. Nothing changes that. But Kyrie has basically been held as some GOAT tier clutch God and everyone always points to that one series.. 6 years ago.

[SouBeachTalents]

Of course it doesn't, Warriors and Steph choked horrendously in that series. Nothing changes that. But Kyrie has basically been held as some GOAT tier clutch God and everyone always points to that one series.. 6 years ago.
Kyrie’s been legitimately mediocre in the playoffs since leaving Cleveland. He’s (ironically) been putting up 2016 Curry Finals level production over that timespan :lol

[1987_Lakers]

I was gonna say earlier this KD/Irving duo reminds me of the KD/Westbrook duo in terms of ISO offense. That OKC team got criticism for not moving the ball enough and the offense would often stagnate in crunch time. Which would often happen to this Nets team.

[SouBeachTalents]

I was gonna say earlier this KD/Irving duo reminds me of the KD/Westbrook duo in terms of ISO offense. That OKC team got criticism for not moving the ball enough and the offense would often stagnate in crunch time. Which would often happen to this Nets team.
Same thing happened to LeBron/Wade their first season together. The Heat had some laughably bad crunch time numbers that season, kind of a foreshadowing of what was to come in the Finals.

[warriorfan]

What about KD?

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Rat poison

[Manny98]

https://youtu.be/YVsah5EBKuI

[ImKobe]

Can we stop pretending Kyrie is some legendary playoff performer now? He’s pooped his pants both times he played in the playoffs without LBJ.

21/5/5/2/1 on 58.8%TS is not a bad series for a #2 guy. He was the best player on the Nets in the series and had the 2nd highest GameScore in the series overall. KD is the one who couldn't do shit until Game 4, and even then he choked on open jumpers and bricked a FT when it mattered.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Postseason stat are skewed because no two teams have faced the same opponent. People may still not realize how tough the Celtic defense is. Durant and Irving didn't just suddenly start sucking because the playoffs started, they are great players and not chokers. They looked bad because they faced some of if not the best possible defenders that could be put on them tied into a great support system behind them.

[aj1987]

21/5/5/2/1 on 58.8%TS is not a bad series for a #2 guy. He was the best player on the Nets in the series and had the 2nd highest GameScore in the series overall. KD is the one who couldn't do shit until Game 4, and even then he choked on open jumpers and bricked a FT when it mattered.

LMAO! Dude averaged 27 PPG in the RS. You want to do his stats from games 2-4?

[SouBeachTalents]

21/5/5/2/1 on 58.8%TS is not a bad series for a #2 guy. He was the best player on the Nets in the series and had the 2nd highest GameScore in the series overall. KD is the one who couldn't do shit until Game 4, and even then he choked on open jumpers and bricked a FT when it mattered.
This is a laughable take. He had a great Game 1 and was atrocious the rest of the series, just as bad as he was against Milwaukee.

[ImKobe]

LMAO! Dude averaged 27 PPG in the RS. You want to do his stats from games 2-4?

27 ppg playing mostly without Durant. And we're comparing the defenses he faced in the RS to Boston? How many possessions did KD waste with his TOs?

Irving had 3 good games and played his heart out on defense. Watch the games.

[RRR3]

What about KD?

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He’s had great playoff performances without Steph so not the same thing. Kyrie has literally either not played in the playoffs or been godawful without LeBron.

[RRR3]

27 ppg playing mostly without Durant. And we're comparing the defenses he faced in the RS to Boston? How many possessions did KD waste with his TOs?

Irving had 3 good games and played his heart out on defense. Watch the games.
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[SouBeachTalents]

Kyrie in Games 2-4: 15/5/5 on 14 shots and 48%TS

3 good games though :lol

[ImKobe]

This is a laughable take. He had a great Game 1 and was atrocious the rest of the series, just as bad as he was against Milwaukee.

Go back and watch the Milwaukee series and compare his effort on D to what he did against Boston. So what, he had one bad game after an epic Game 1 and played two decent games at home, and that's considered atrocious? There's only so many shots he could get with KD wasting all those possessions with TOs/bad shots/slow decision making, and the Celtics were leaving Bruce Brown/Nic Claxton wide open in the paint and they got a lot of touches, so Irving didn't get as many chances to shoot the ball, but he was efficient in 3 out of 4 games and played good defense for the most part. He didn't force the issue on offense for the most part like he did in the Milwaukee series.

Irving's name shouldn't come up before KD and Nash if we're playing the blame game with this series.

[aj1987]

27 ppg playing mostly without Durant. And we're comparing the defenses he faced in the RS to Boston? How many possessions did KD waste with his TOs?

Irving had 3 good games and played his heart out on defense. Watch the games.[/B]

Did YOU actually watch the games? :roll: :roll:


Which are those three good games that he had? Please do tell me. :roll:

He averaged 15.3 PPG on 48% TS% in games 2-4.

Also, are you saying that KD and Kyrie are not a good fit? Kyrie averaged 25 PPG and 26 PPG WITH LeBron in the PO's.


Not to mention his subpar defense. Just because he hustles doesn't make him a good defender.

[RRR3]

Kyrie in Games 2-4: 15/5/5 on 14 shots and 48%TS

3 good games though :lol
Looks like an Elfrid Payton statline.

If ImBraindead was remotely good at math he’d understand how an amazing game 1 skews the averages of an otherwise horrible 4 game series.

[SouBeachTalents]

Go back and watch the Milwaukee series and compare his effort on D to what he did against Boston. So what, he had one bad game after an epic Game 1 and played two decent games at home, and that's considered atrocious? There's only so many shots he could get with KD wasting all those possessions with TOs/bad shots/slow decision making, and the Celtics were leaving Bruce Brown/Nic Claxton wide open in the paint and they got a lot of touches, so Irving didn't get as many chances to shoot the ball, but he was efficient in 3 out of 4 games and played good defense for the most part. He didn't force the issue on offense for the most part like he did in the Milwaukee series.

Irving's name shouldn't come up before KD and Nash if we're playing the blame game with this series.
I agree KD’s the scapegoat of the series, he was legitimately bad, but Kyrie doesn’t get a pass. He had outside of Game 1 a very bad series.

[RRR3]

Go back and watch the Milwaukee series and compare his effort on D to what he did against Boston. So what, he had one bad game after an epic Game 1 and played two decent games at home, and that's considered atrocious? There's only so many shots he could get with KD wasting all those possessions with TOs/bad shots/slow decision making, and the Celtics were leaving Bruce Brown/Nic Claxton wide open in the paint and they got a lot of touches, so Irving didn't get as many chances to shoot the ball, but he was efficient in 3 out of 4 games and played good defense for the most part. He didn't force the issue on offense for the most part like he did in the Milwaukee series.

Irving's name shouldn't come up before KD and Nash if we're playing the blame game with this series.
He had a 36.0 TS% in game 2 and a 42.6 TS% in game 3. Efficient in 3 games huh?

[ImKobe]

Kyrie in Games 2-4: 15/5/5 on 14 shots and 48%TS

3 good games though :lol

Yes, let's leave out his best game and cherry pick the scoring average and dismiss his playmaking & defense.

If your 2nd option gives you 21/5/5/2/1 on 58.8%TS with good defensive play, you shouldn't be getting swept.

[hold this L]

Yes, let's leave out his best game and cherry pick the scoring average and dismiss his playmaking & defense.

If your 2nd option gives you 21/5/5/2/1 on 58.8%TS with good defensive play, you shouldn't be getting swept.
But that 21PPG is skewed because of 1 game though. It's the same as look at Durant's PPG overall and realizing it got bumped up only because the last game he just chucked (and mostly missed). I think Dame had something similar last PS I think, where he had something close to a 100% TS in one game and gave a ridiculously high average for the series. But if you look at most game, he was his usual inefficient self. It's tough to play the average game in a 4 game sample because if you play significantly worse/better in 1 game vs the rest, it skews everything.

And I have no idea how you think Kyrie played good defense. He was leaving his man just last game to score wide open 3s, and he got switched on taller guys and scored on several other occasions just last night.

[ImKobe]

He had a 36.0 TS% in game 2 and a 42.6 TS% in game 3. Efficient in 3 games huh?

Efficient overall yeah. Game 2 was the only real letdown. I thought he didn't force the issue at all after Game 1 and picked his spots. Nets were getting easy buckets from Brown/Claxton/Dragic so he didn't force the issue when he maybe should have to get himself going, but it was hardly a bad series from him. For a guy who's not known for his defense, him and Dragic were tied for the 3rd best DRTG on the team after the two bigs (leaving out Blake & Kessler Edwards, who barely played).

Considering the defense and the playmaking, I will say that Irving had a decent series. He definitely didn't cost his team a game. You can't point to any of the games and say that Irving was the #1 reason they lost.

[RRR3]

Efficient overall yeah. Game 2 was the only real letdown. I thought he didn't force the issue at all after Game 1 and picked his spots. Nets were getting easy buckets from Brown/Claxton/Dragic so he didn't force the issue when he maybe should have to get himself going, but it was hardly a bad series from him. For a guy who's not known for his defense, him and Dragic were tied for the 3rd best DRTG on the team after the two bigs (leaving out Blake & Kessler Edwards, who barely played).

Considering the defense and the playmaking, I will say that Irving had a decent series. He definitely didn't cost his team a game. You can't point to any of the games and say that Irving was the #1 reason they lost.
You are not efficient by any means if you have a 42.6 TS% why are you literally incapable of admitting you were wrong? It just makes you look even stupider.

[aj1987]

Efficient overall yeah. Game 2 was the only real letdown. I thought he didn't force the issue at all after Game 1 and picked his spots. Nets were getting easy buckets from Brown/Claxton/Dragic so he didn't force the issue when he maybe should have to get himself going, but it was hardly a bad series from him. For a guy who's not known for his defense, him and Dragic were tied for the 3rd best DRTG on the team after the two bigs (leaving out Blake & Kessler Edwards, who barely played).

Considering the defense and the playmaking, I will say that Irving had a decent series. He definitely didn't cost his team a game. You can't point to any of the games and say that Irving was the #1 reason they lost.

Dude, just hold the L and move on.

[ImKobe]

But that 21PPG is skewed because of 1 game though. It's the same as look at Durant's PPG overall and realizing it got bumped up only because the last game he just chucked (and mostly missed). I think Dame had something similar last PS I think, where he had something close to a 100% TS in one game and gave a ridiculously high average for the series. But if you look at most game, he was his usual inefficient self. It's tough to play the average game in a 4 game sample because if you play significantly worse/better in 1 game vs the rest, it skews everything.

And I have no idea how you think Kyrie played good defense. He was leaving his man just last game to score wide open 3s, and he got switched on taller guys and scored on several other occasions just last night.

He was one of the better defenders on the Nets, the best DRTG after the non bigs (leaving out Edwards & Blake, who played low minutes). He was physical (even when in foul trouble) and altered a ton of shots and held his own when defending Tatum. Yes, he left some guys open from 3, but the Nets were so horrible on D overall that he was basically trying to help on every defensive possession because that defense was bleeding. Leaving role players wide open from 3 to prevent a Brown/Tatum layup is not a bad thing either with the mismatches the C's had with the small ball line-ups. Just because SVG says that he shouldn't have left his man on a couple possessions out of the entire game doesn't mean that he was horrible on D overall.

People who are comparing this to the Milwaukee series are just blatantly trolling. Irving actually gave a **** and played a team game.

Kyrie can't win with y'all anyway. Had he taken a lot more shots, you would have said he chucked them out of the series. But because he didn't hijack the offense outside of Game 1, he was horrible? Cmon man.

[RRR3]

Dude, just hold the L and move on.
He can’t. He’s never been wrong in his life in his own mind. Pathological.

[aj1987]

He was one of the better defenders on the Nets, the best DRTG after the non bigs (leaving out Edwards & Blake, who played low minutes). He was physical (even when in foul trouble) and altered a ton of shots and held his own when defending Tatum. Yes, he left some guys open from 3, but the Nets were so horrible on D overall that he was basically trying to help on every defensive possession because that defense was bleeding. Leaving role players wide open from 3 to prevent a Brown/Tatum layup is not a bad thing either with the mismatches the C's had with the small ball line-ups. Just because SVG says that he shouldn't have left his man on a couple possessions out of the entire game doesn't mean that he was horrible on D overall.

People who are comparing this to the Milwaukee series are just blatantly trolling. Irving actually gave a **** and played a team game.

Kyrie can't win with y'all anyway. Had he taken a lot more shots, you would have said he chucked them out of the series. But because he didn't hijack the offense outside of Game 1, he was horrible? Cmon man.

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Kyrie's DFG% is a 7.7%. The WORST on the team. The only other one who's close is Dragic at 7.3%. He's defended 14.5 shots a game and his cover is shooting 53.4% when being defended by Irving, compared to their usual 45.7% when being guarded by others.

[ImKobe]

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Kyrie's DFG% is a 7.7%. The WORST on the team. The only other one who's close is Dragic at 7.3%. He's defended 14.5 shots a game and his cover is shooting 53.4% when being defended by Irving, compared to their usual 45.7% when being guarded by others.

Irving played more defense inside the arc so the FG% is going to be higher and might look bad if you just isolate that single stat.

Even though the sample size is very limited in 4 games & them playing heavy minutes, Kyrie without KD was a huge positive while Durant struggled with Irving off the court. Kyrie in 16 minutes without KD on the court had a 92 DRTG and a +42 Net Rating (per 100) while KD was a -15 in 21 minutes without Irving off the court, with a 123 DRTG.

If you're going to deflect blame and try to shit on Kyrie, all you're doing is making excuses for Durant, who played WAY below his raw averages and with horrible efficiency, while Ky had two games shooting 63+%TS and led the team in steals and had as many blocks as Tatum/Brown combined by actually contesting shots inside the arc. Even when Irving had 5 fouls, he'd play physical defense and get stops while the other guards mostly folded against bigger guys.

Just admit it. KD played well below his averages while he got plenty of help from his teammates. Irving played well for a 2nd option overall and did more as an all-around player than I expected. You'd have a point if he chucked 20+ shots a game on sub-par efficiency, but he didn't. He had two below-average shooting nights but only attempted 13 & 17 FGA and still ran the offense and played defense. KD did nothing on both ends for the majority of the series.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yes, let's leave out his best game and cherry pick the scoring average and dismiss his playmaking & defense.

If your 2nd option gives you 21/5/5/2/1 on 58.8%TS with good defensive play, you shouldn't be getting swept.

thats a familiar tactic out of the imkobe playbook

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[ImKobe]

thats a familiar tactic out of the imkobe playbook

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Yes, but we're talking about a sweep here man.. Fact is that Kyrie shot 63+%TS in 2 out of 4 games and played good defense for his position & size and wasn't a selfish chucker who shot them out of the series like he did with the C's in 2019, but people ITT want to pretend he did just that. He played well enough for them to win at least two games. KD is the one who played well below his averages and wasted possessions with his TOs and gave the Celtics easy points off those TOs, in a series where the Celtics outscored the Nets by 18 points total.

[hold this L]

Yes, but we're talking about a sweep here man.. Fact is that Kyrie shot 63+%TS in 2 out of 4 games and played good defense for his position & size and wasn't a selfish chucker who shot them out of the series like he did with the C's in 2019, but people ITT want to pretend he did just that. He played well enough for them to win at least two games. KD is the one who played well below his averages and wasted possessions with his TOs and gave the Celtics easy points off those TOs, in a series where the Celtics outscored the Nets by 18 points total.
I agree that KD's iso ball is the type that loses series if you focus on it too much. Celtics did exactly that, Warriors forced OKC to do that, and Rockets tried to do that in both series. I still don't know why KD was bringing the ball up, he's not the playmaker and his passing is suspect. I just don't think Kyrie played well or ok. He was poor along with KD.

[HoopsNY]

Go back and watch the Milwaukee series and compare his effort on D to what he did against Boston. So what, he had one bad game after an epic Game 1 and played two decent games at home, and that's considered atrocious? There's only so many shots he could get with KD wasting all those possessions with TOs/bad shots/slow decision making, and the Celtics were leaving Bruce Brown/Nic Claxton wide open in the paint and they got a lot of touches, so Irving didn't get as many chances to shoot the ball, but he was efficient in 3 out of 4 games and played good defense for the most part. He didn't force the issue on offense for the most part like he did in the Milwaukee series.

Irving's name shouldn't come up before KD and Nash if we're playing the blame game with this series.

Kyrie was bad this series bro. C'mon.

[aj1987]

Irving played more defense inside the arc so the FG% is going to be higher and might look bad if you just isolate that single stat.

Even though the sample size is very limited in 4 games & them playing heavy minutes, Kyrie without KD was a huge positive while Durant struggled with Irving off the court. Kyrie in 16 minutes without KD on the court had a 92 DRTG and a +42 Net Rating (per 100) while KD was a -15 in 21 minutes without Irving off the court, with a 123 DRTG.

If you're going to deflect blame and try to shit on Kyrie, all you're doing is making excuses for Durant, who played WAY below his raw averages and with horrible efficiency, while Ky had two games shooting 63+%TS and led the team in steals and had as many blocks as Tatum/Brown combined by actually contesting shots inside the arc. Even when Irving had 5 fouls, he'd play physical defense and get stops while the other guards mostly folded against bigger guys.

Just admit it. KD played well below his averages while he got plenty of help from his teammates. Irving played well for a 2nd option overall and did more as an all-around player than I expected. You'd have a point if he chucked 20+ shots a game on sub-par efficiency, but he didn't. He had two below-average shooting nights but only attempted 13 & 17 FGA and still ran the offense and played defense. KD did nothing on both ends for the majority of the series.

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How many times are you going to be wrong, clown. KD and Brown have defended more shots than Kyrie.

KD had 17.5 DFGA with a Diff% of +2.7%.

Brown had 15.8 DFGA with a Diff% -1.1%.

Heck, Seth Curry is at 12.3 DFGA while playing significantly fewer minutes than Irving. :roll:

You really asked other people to watch the games and called Irving a great defender, with a straight fact. Are you the same idiot who said Irving anchored the Cavs' defense during LeBron's stint there? LMAO!

I have no idea why you're arguing Kyrie vs KD. I literally never said that KD was better. Just that Irving was dog shit in the Playoffs. He had one good game, which was G1 (even in that, he was horrendous defensively) and outside that, he was absolutely terrible.

[SATAN]

More First Things First


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emHss8LWwOI

Kyrie is more delusional than Westbrook. He doesn't have the IQ or perseverance to be a team leader let alone a franchise manager. It's just shocking how stupid this man is.

[GimmeThat]

somehow the guy with 0 FMVP is flooding the TV with commercials

[Real Men Wear Green]

If Brooklyn accepts it then he can call himself Grand Puba.

[Axe]

Op's hero isn't clutch either. :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

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How many times are you going to be wrong, clown. KD and Brown have defended more shots than Kyrie.

KD had 17.5 DFGA with a Diff% of +2.7%.

Brown had 15.8 DFGA with a Diff% -1.1%.

Heck, Seth Curry is at 12.3 DFGA while playing significantly fewer minutes than Irving. :roll:

You really asked other people to watch the games and called Irving a great defender, with a straight fact. Are you the same idiot who said Irving anchored the Cavs' defense during LeBron's stint there? LMAO!

I have no idea why you're arguing Kyrie vs KD. I literally never said that KD was better. Just that Irving was dog shit in the Playoffs. He had one good game, which was G1 (even in that, he was horrendous defensively) and outside that, he was absolutely terrible.



It's a small sample size (4 games & he played 170 and only sat for 22), but Kyrie had a +9.6 Net Rating in the series. Bruce Brown was a -10.0. KD was a whopping -52.9. They sucked without Irving on the court, yet you're telling me he was terrible for most of the series and hurt their defense. Funny how the on/off numbers tell you the opposite. They couldn't do shit when he did rest, yet he was awesome in the minutes he was on the court without Durant. Maybe Nash should have sat KD more and not tried to force it to him all series, that took away shots from Irving & others.


Who do you think hurt their defense more in that series? KD or Irving? This answer will reveal your hoops' IQ.