Kawhi out. LeBron out. KD out. Guess who is still around?

[Stephonit]

Still going at it with the current league's now back-to-back MVP and pulling through. Yeah that's right your friendly neighborhood Warrior Stephen Curry. That's despite being left with the worst roster in the league a couple of years ago while Kawhi, LeBron, and KD formed superteams. What a comeback. Shows who the real deal these past few years has been.

[Westbrook_Fan]

Kawhi.. FMVP

LeBron... FMVP

Durant.. FMVP


Curry??

[hold this L]

Kawhi.. FMVP

LeBron... FMVP

Durant.. FMVP


Curry??

https://inews.gtimg.com/newsapp_match/0/14783889351/0


Shhh, go to sleep before I have a talk with your mother about letting you use the computer late at night.

[Spurs m8]

Tatum

Morant

Donthic

:rockon::rockon::rockon:

[Stephonit]

Tatum

Morant

Donthic

:rockon::rockon::rockon:

Interesting. There's a chance Steph will face all three.

Any chance the naysayers won't call it the easiest road to a championship of all-time?

[Spurs m8]

Interesting. There's a chance Steph will face all three.

Any chance the naysayers won't call it the easiest road to a championship of all-time?

The bron stans will, though we all know their hero faced the easiest paths

Curry still upsets them daily

[RRR3]

Yeah the Warriors are totally the worst roster in the league.

[Manny98]

Kawho?

[Kblaze8855]

Kinda weird talking about a roster from years ago as if it means anything to the current team. 18 players played for the Warriors two years ago who are not on the team today. That’s kind of a lot….

[Stephonit]

Kinda weird talking about a roster from years ago as if it means anything to the current team. 18 players played for the Warriors two years ago who are not on the team today. That’s kind of a lot….

Going from the greatest team of all-time to the worst team in the league and then back to being a winning team in such a short time frame is not to be sneezed at. How often do we see such massive turnarounds without major trades and exchanges of assets?

[tpols]

Yup. Wiggins was thought of as a disappointment before the warriors on the wolves. Now hes an All Star starter. Poole was a 2nd round pick. Dray was a 2nd round pick. Gary Payton II is a beast. Curry and Warriors culture of teamwork elevates everybody.

[Kblaze8855]

Going from the greatest team of all-time to the worst team in the league and then back to being a winning team in such a short time frame is not to be sneezed at. How often do we see such massive turnarounds without major trades and exchanges of assets?


If an entire roster being changed isn’t major…what is?

The Warriors are an entirely different team. Obviously Steph alone…like anyone else alone…doesn’t get it done. They missed the playoffs last year with him much healthier and playing a good bit better than this year. It’s just a good team. He’s the best player on it but it’s good.

[ShawkFactory]

Yup. Wiggins was thought of as a disappointment before the warriors on the wolves. Now hes an All Star starter. Poole was a 2nd round pick. Dray was a 2nd round pick. Gary Payton II is a beast. Curry and Warriors culture of teamwork elevates everybody.

Those aren't the same thing. Curry didn't create that culture, he benefits from it like everyone else.

[Stephonit]

If an entire roster being changed isn’t major…what is?

The Warriors are an entirely different team. Obviously Steph alone…like anyone else alone…doesn’t get it done. They missed the playoffs last year with him much healthier and playing a good bit better than this year. It’s just a good team. He’s the best player on it but it’s good.

Usually such major roster changes when they've led to massive improvement involved the acquisition of a major star either through through free agent signing or a trade mortgaging the future for current star. Instead what happened with the Warriors the last two years is exchanging Durant for what was once commonly considered the worst contract in the league in Wiggins, getting Klay back from an Achilles and ACL injury, and adding a very late first round draft pick in Poole. Those were the moves aside from Steph becoming available again that transformed a worst in the league team back to a contender.

I'd be interested in situations you thought were similar.

[tpols]

Those aren't the same thing. Curry didn't create that culture, he benefits from it like everyone else.

Currys game breaking shooting and spacing and off ball game is why the system works. It wouldn't work with an average or even above average shooter that couldn't play off and on ball. Most star guards are ball dominators.

[Kblaze8855]

You really just point out that a team got Steph back, Klay back, added another all star, had a young player develop into a star, along with switching like 11-12 people and use that as evidence it isn’t a major difference?

Go look at the 2020 roster. Count the people not there now. It’s two entirely different teams. It doesn’t matter how it became two different ones. The people on it are not the same making a comparison irrelevant.

And calling a really good player his draft pick to diminish his contribution is just lame. You are what you are not what you were drafted. They added a top lottery pick too but I don’t see him contributing so who gives a shit? Think they’re better off with Romeo Langford because of draft position? We had an undrafted guy inducted to the hall of fame last year. Who gives a **** what anyone thought you might be at 19 when the issue is how good you are today?


The team is talented and good. The entirely different group of guys from 2 years ago were less so. Adding several all stars and a young guy developing(along with an entire new team of role players) tends to make a difference.

[ShawkFactory]

Currys game breaking shooting and spacing and off ball game is why the system works. It wouldn't work with an average or even above average shooter that couldn't play off and on ball. Most star guards are ball dominators.

It also wouldn't work without Draymond. And is significantly less dangerous without Klay. All of these pieces work together in a system that Kerr implemented.

The Spurs were similar. When you get everyone to buy into a system that moves the ball like that then it's going to be successful. Getting everyone on the same page is the hard part and that's where I credit Kerr and Draymond to a lesser extent, given he's the on-court leader.

Would they be as successful without Curry? Obviously not but that generally happens when a team loses their best player.

[LeGoat4Life]

Steph has been the best of his era, ever since Kobe passed him the torch

[Stephonit]

You really just point out that a team got Steph back, Klay back, added another all star, had a young player develop into a star, along with switching like 11-12 people and use that as evidence it isn’t a major difference?

Go look at the 2020 roster. Count the people not there now. It’s two entirely different teams. It doesn’t matter how it became two different ones. The people on it are not the same making a comparison irrelevant.

And calling a really good player his draft pick to diminish his contribution is just lame. You are what you are not what you were drafted. They added a top lottery pick too but I don’t see him contributing so who gives a shit? Think they’re better off with Romeo Langford because of draft position? We had an undrafted guy inducted to the hall of fame last year. Who gives a **** what anyone thought you might be at 19 when the issue is how good you are today?


The team is talented and good. The entirely different group of guys from 2 years ago were less so. Adding several all stars and a young guy developing(along with an entire new team of role players) tends to make a difference.

Let me emphasize once again where they were coming from: worst team in the league. To put things in perspective nearly every lottery team every year would be in a better situation except they didn't have Stephen Curry. It takes nearly all of them years and years to become a contender—just ask the Sacramento Kings. If simply trading in your entire roster for a new one each year could lead to becoming a contender, teams would probably do that. Can you name any that did?

[tpols]

It also wouldn't work without Draymond. And is significantly less dangerous without Klay. All of these pieces work together in a system that Kerr implemented.

The Spurs were similar. When you get everyone to buy into a system that moves the ball like that then it's going to be successful. Getting everyone on the same page is the hard part and that's where I credit Kerr and Draymond to a lesser extent, given he's the on-court leader.

Would they be as successful without Curry? Obviously not but that generally happens when a team loses their best player.

It definitely would work with dray replaced by any decent ball handling and playmaking forward. Old Iggy was amazing in the dray role playmaking. A guy like Boris Diaw would be awesome as a distributor. In his case the defense would take a hit but they'd still be a contender and great team. Dray was a 2nd round pick who has much more benefited from playing with the GOAT shooting backcourt than the other way around.

[ShawkFactory]

It definitely would work with dray replaced by any decent ball handling and playmaking forward. Old Iggy was amazing in the dray role playmaking. A guy like Boris Diaw would be awesome as a distributor. In his case the defense would take a hit but they'd still be a contender and great team. Dray was a 2nd round pick who has much more benefited from playing with the GOAT shooting backcourt than the other way around.

Dray had/has the offense down perfectly. He's a well-oiled machine in the middle with the ball moving quickly and not anyone can just step in and do that. To say that they could is silly. And you already mentioned the defense. Didn't mention that he's the vocal leader of the team and is in charge of on-court accountability.

He was a second round pick because of his size and because no one knew what position he'd play, but even at Michigan State he was an excellent playmaker. Where he was drafted isn't relevant in the slightest.

[tpols]

Dray had/has the offense down perfectly. He's a well-oiled machine in the middle with the ball moving quickly and not anyone can just step in and do that. To say that they could is silly. And you already mentioned the defense. Didn't mention that he's the vocal leader of the team and is in charge of on-court accountability.

He was a second round pick because of his size and because no one knew what position he'd play, but even at Michigan State he was an excellent playmaker. Where he was drafted isn't relevant in the slightest.

It is relevant actually because the warriors have consistently turned spotty talent into stars. Dray, Poole, old Iggy who was given away, underperforming Wiggins, etc. They have a track record and could have developed someone else in his place. They clearly squeeze the most juice out of talent and Currys game breaking ability and unselfish style is the lynchpin for it.

Its intuitive just watching the warriors teams literally leave dray wide open and throw extra attention at curry and klay while they run around off ball. Then dray either passes to one of them where they have to hit the shot or in the madness or the action the defense gets mixed up and somebody slips open underneath. Without the GOAT shooting and subsequent action from it dray not only wouldn't have the passing lanes he has, but there would be less of those slips where the defense gets lost trying to cover the splash bros. His style wouldn't work without GOAT shooting.

[Kblaze8855]

Let me emphasize once again where they were coming from: worst team in the league. To put things in perspective nearly every lottery team every year would be in a better situation except they didn't have Stephen Curry. It takes nearly all of them years and years to become a contender—just ask the Sacramento Kings. If simply trading in your entire roster for a new one each year could lead to becoming a contender, teams would probably do that. Can you name any that did?


Team that added 3 all stars while also improving their young players and got better? That specific situation?

What worst team has ever immediately added an elite player, traded for a low end all star, got another star back, and in the process got rid of well over a dozen people?

This is no different than people trying to fabricate points out of stat minimums you can simply rig through being overly specific.

If in the process of changing out the entire roster you add an all time great and 2 all stars while your good young player develops Id imagine great improvements would be common but awful teams can’t generally add all time elites and low end stars to help.

When they can big turnarounds aren’t uncommon. Shaq to the Magic going from like 20 wins to contenders in a couple years or the Spurs going from 20ish to 55-60 with David. And those were young players coming into their own not established superstars coming back with several other good players.

Asking why other teams don’t is just ridiculous. 20 win teams get draft picks not multiple veteran stars rebuilding the core of a previous contender and adding more talent to it.

Its like Jordan and Pippen coming back to the Bulls in 2000 as they also trade for like Michael Finley and totally restock 4-12 while keeping Kukoc then comparing them to the 99 team. The same logo does not mean two teams justify comparison.

[RRR3]

Team that added 3 all stars while also improving their young players and got better? That specific situation?

What worst team has ever immediately added an elite player, traded for a low end all star, got another star back, and in the process got rid of well over a dozen people?

This is no different than people trying to fabricate points out of stat minimums you can simply rig through being overly specific.

If in the process of changing out the entire roster you add an all time great and 2 all stars while your good young player develops Id imagine great improvements would be common but awful teams can’t generally add all time elites and low end stars to help.

When they can big turnarounds aren’t uncommon. Shaq to the Magic going from like 20 wins to contenders in a couple years or the Spurs going from 20ish to 55-60 with David. And those were young players coming into their own not established superstars coming back with several other good players.

Asking why other teams don’t is just ridiculous. 20 win teams get draft picks not multiple veteran stars rebuilding the core of a previous contender and adding more talent to it.

Its like Jordan and Pippen coming back to the Bulls in 2000 as they also trade for like Michael Finley and totally restock 4-12 while keeping Kukoc then comparing them to the 99 team. The same logo does not mean two teams justify comparison.
You are arguing with someone who thinks Steph was better than Jokic this year and is better than MJ all time.

[Bronbron23]

Still going at it with the current league's now back-to-back MVP and pulling through. Yeah that's right your friendly neighborhood Warrior Stephen Curry. That's despite being left with the worst roster in the league a couple of years ago while Kawhi, LeBron, and KD formed superteams. What a comeback. Shows who the real deal these past few years has been.

Bruh in the last 5 years all of those guys have won a chip and a fmvp. Plus the warriors just beat a team missing their 2nd and 3rd best players. Lets see what happens when they face a healthy roster before we get to crazy.

[Stephonit]

Team that added 3 all stars while also improving their young players and got better? That specific situation?

What worst team has ever immediately added an elite player, traded for a low end all star, got another star back, and in the process got rid of well over a dozen people?

This is no different than people trying to fabricate points out of stat minimums you can simply rig through being overly specific.

If in the process of changing out the entire roster you add an all time great and 2 all stars while your good young player develops Id imagine great improvements would be common but awful teams can’t generally add all time elites and low end stars to help.

When they can big turnarounds aren’t uncommon. Shaq to the Magic going from like 20 wins to contenders in a couple years or the Spurs going from 20ish to 55-60 with David. And those were young players coming into their own not established superstars coming back with several other good players.

Asking why other teams don’t is just ridiculous. 20 win teams get draft picks not multiple veteran stars rebuilding the core of a previous contender and adding more talent to it.

Its like Jordan and Pippen coming back to the Bulls in 2000 as they also trade for like Michael Finley and totally restock 4-12 while keeping Kukoc then comparing them to the 99 team. The same logo does not mean two teams justify comparison.

What multiple all-stars being added are you talking about? When the Warriors were at the bottom of the standings they had Draymond and D'Angelo/Wiggins. When they got a rusty coming off of injury Klay back they were already half way through this season but still had if I recall correctly a top 2 record in the league. Curry helped build up such a record early on that despite himself and Draymond being injured later at different times in the season they still finished with the third best record in the league.

[Nb1]

Lol at comparing a bench player that couldn’t even make the playoffs last 2 yrs when the good players on his team were injured…

And when they played tght it was clear to everyone that Durant was the much better player. Curry is just a role player in an amazing team that wins with or without him.

[Stephonit]

Bruh in the last 5 years all of those guys have won a chip and a fmvp. Plus the warriors just beat a team missing their 2nd and 3rd best players. Lets see what happens when they face a healthy roster before we get to crazy.

Those three all formed superteams while Curry was left with the worst team in the league. Two years later he's somehow farther along yet again than each of them. But then again that's what one should expect from the greatest player in the league of the past few years.

[Bronbron23]

Those three all formed superteams while Curry was left with the worst team in the league. Two years later he's somehow farther along yet again than each of them. But then again that's what one should expect from the greatest player in the league of the past few years.

Dude curry has only won one chip without a super team and that was a huge asterisk. Plus he didn't even win fmvp. We'll have to wait and see what happens the rest if this playoffs but you're getting a little head if yourself. Plus If kd was facing a celtics team without brown and smart kd would still be around also.

[Kblaze8855]

Wiggins played like 10 games. Steph, Klay, Wiggins, and Poole are all some degree of star and none of them(or their current version) were significant parts of 2020s team.

Know what?

This is my fault. As a rule I try not to interact with single player fans when they talk about that player.

Its just a waste of everyone’s time.

[ShawkFactory]

It is relevant actually because the warriors have consistently turned spotty talent into stars. Dray, Poole, old Iggy who was given away, underperforming Wiggins, etc. They have a track record and could have developed someone else in his place. They clearly squeeze the most juice out of talent and Currys game breaking ability and unselfish style is the lynchpin for it.

Its intuitive just watching the warriors teams literally leave dray wide open and throw extra attention at curry and klay while they run around off ball. Then dray either passes to one of them where they have to hit the shot or in the madness or the action the defense gets mixed up and somebody slips open underneath. Without the GOAT shooting and subsequent action from it dray not only wouldn't have the passing lanes he has, but there would be less of those slips where the defense gets lost trying to cover the splash bros. His style wouldn't work without GOAT shooting.

Kerr's philosophy on ball movement and the implementation of various aspects of the triangle and the D'Antoni up-tempo run-and-gun style is the lynchpin for it. Or everyone buying into it was.

They went from like 12th-13th in ORTG in both 2013 and 2014 to lapping the field for the next 2. With almost no roster change. Just a coaching change.

Sure their best player is important like any team. But the overall mindset of the team offensively is why they are what they are.

[Stephonit]

Wiggins played like 10 games. Steph, Klay, Wiggins, and Poole are all some degree of star and none of them(or their current version) were significant parts of 2020s team.

Know what?

This is my fault. As a rule I try not to interact with single player fans when they talk about that player.

Its just a waste of everyone’s time.


Hmm. Wiggins who had become a bit of a laughingstock in some quarters is different after two years with Steph. Poole who could have been called the worst player in the league in his first year and was playing in the G-League last year is now some degree of star. Dang, how do these players next to Steph improve so much when teams like the Kings, Magic, and Knicks keep acquiring similar or better players and they keep turning into duds?

[ShawkFactory]

Hmm. Wiggins who had become a bit of a laughingstock in some quarters is different after two years with Steph. Poole who could have been called the worst player in the league in his first year and was playing in the G-League last year is now some degree of star. Dang, how do these players next to Steph improve so much when teams like the Kings, Magic, and Knicks keep acquiring similar or worse players and they keep turning into duds?

Not really. He was better in November/December but since then has pretty much been what he's been his entire career. Better defensively maybe but that's about where it ends.

[tpols]

Kerr's philosophy on ball movement and the implementation of various aspects of the triangle and the D'Antoni up-tempo run-and-gun style is the lynchpin for it. Or everyone buying into it was.

They went from like 12th-13th in ORTG in both 2013 and 2014 to lapping the field for the next 2. With almost no roster change. Just a coaching change.


The warriors were still dominating the win column when Kerr was out and Luke Walton was coaching. Yes Kerr was a big upgrade over mark jackson who was a poor coach, but Kerr needed the game breaking range of curry to implement the 4v3 halfcourt fastbreak style the original warriors used.

Curry didn't used to shoot those absurd 40 foot shots all the time until kerr got there. And I don't think Kerr was the reason curry started taking longer 3s and commanding far out doubles. And even if he was there's not another person on earth who could hit those shots at peak chefs clip. So he is obviously the driving force. If a team had to choose between obtaining Steve Kerr or Steph curry the decision would be quite easy.

[hold this L]

Kerr's philosophy on ball movement and the implementation of various aspects of the triangle and the D'Antoni up-tempo run-and-gun style is the lynchpin for it. Or everyone buying into it was.

They went from like 12th-13th in ORTG in both 2013 and 2014 to lapping the field for the next 2. With almost no roster change. Just a coaching change.

Sure their best player is important like any team. But the overall mindset of the team offensively is why they are what they are.

And yet his motion offense completely falls apart and he is still unable to adjust 7 years later. One of the biggest complaints with Kerr is that his system sucks without Curry out there.


The warriors were still dominating the win column when Kerr was out and Luke Walton was coaching. Yes Kerr was a big upgrade over mark jackson who was a poor coach, but Kerr needed the game breaking range of curry to implement the 4v3 halfcourt fastbreak style the original warriors used.

Curry didn't used to shoot those absurd 40 foot shots all the time until kerr got there. And I don't think Kerr was the reason curry started taking longer 3s and commanding far out doubles. And even if he was there's not another person on earth who could hit those shots at peak chefs clip. So he is obviously the driving force. If a team had to choose between obtaining Steve Kerr or Steph curry the decision would be quite easy.

They went 14-0 essentially spamming P&R with Steph/KD in the 2017 PS as well. Kerr has played a massive role in the Warriors success, but I always find it adorable when they use Kerr's system as the reason Curry is who he is. The same system that turns into trash without Steph there. Only player this last decade whose team falls apart worse when they are not on the court is prime Lebron, and even then you have to double check the numbers.

[ShawkFactory]

The warriors were still dominating the win column when Kerr was out and Luke Walton was coaching. Yes Kerr was a big upgrade over mark jackson who was a poor coach, but Kerr needed the game breaking range of curry to implement the 4v3 halfcourt fastbreak style the original warriors used.

Curry didn't used to shoot those absurd 40 foot shots all the time until kerr got there. And I don't think Kerr was the reason curry started taking longer 3s and commanding far out doubles. And even if he was there's not another person on earth who could hit those shots at peak chefs clip. So he is obviously the driving force. If a team had to choose between obtaining Steve Kerr or Steph curry the decision would be quite easy.

What? :lol

That's not how that works. The philosophy was already there. His assistant coach continued it while he was out.

[Kblaze8855]

Not really. He was better in November/December but since then has pretty much been what he's been his entire career. Better defensively maybe but that's about where it ends.

All those “He made him” arguments across all sports and even entertainment fall apart with one argument Jay Z made when people said Dame Dash made him.


I heard mother****ers sayin' they made Hov
Made Hov say, "Okay, so….make another Hov"


The idea that anyone no matter if it’s Jordan or LeBron or Steph or Magic or whoever….can just fabricate a star? If they could…why don’t they make more? 3ball once told me Jordan could have made anyone Pippen but stopped at one because he knew he only needed one star to win. Meanwhile he’s calling the GM trash for not getting him more talent to play with.

There are two options for these things…

Players who can manufacture stars from scrubs but only do it for one or two guys are stupid….or they don’t wanna win as much as possible. Unless we go with the 3ball logic and assume they have too much integrity to stack the deck by making 3-5 stars at once.

[3ba11]

Still going at it with the current league's now back-to-back MVP and pulling through. Yeah that's right your friendly neighborhood Warrior Stephen Curry. That's despite being left with the worst roster in the league a couple of years ago while Kawhi, LeBron, and KD formed superteams. What a comeback. Shows who the real deal these past few years has been.


Teams win games for 2 reasons - talent and brand of ball - Curry has a great brand of ball that will build up any roster and let young players develop

Otoh, weaker brands of ball impose spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning)

[j3lademaster]

Those aren't the same thing. Curry didn't create that culture, he benefits from it like everyone else.Curry is the driving force of Warrior's culture today. Before he rose to superstardom, GS fans were watching Monta Ellis try to do his best AI impression.

[Kblaze8855]

Curry is the driving force of Warrior's culture today. Before he rose to superstardom, GS fans were watching Monta Ellis try to do his best AI impression.


We really stop acting like coaching doesn’t matter….



"I remember early meetings and early practices looking at Steve like he was out of his ****ing mind," Green told Redick. "This guy's preaching ball movement and 'Hey Steph, don't hold the ball, swing the ball!'"

Green noted that Jackson's offense had relied on a lot more pick-and-roll and isolations than what Kerr wanted, and it was an offensive system that had given Warriors players confidence.

"When Steve came in, he's like, 'Move the ball, move the ball!' I'm watching Steph Curry go into mixing someone, [Kerr's] like, 'Pass the ball!'"

Green said he approached Kerr one day to say that players like Curry and Klay Thompson needed to dribble the ball more to create their own shots. That's when Kerr imparted basketball wisdom onto Green that stuck with him.

"He said, 'The ball will always find the guy who's supposed to get the shot.'

"And I didn't understand that then. I'm like, 'Okay, you keep telling us to swing the ball, it's not gonna find them.' And sure enough, as we bought into the system that he was bringing to us, the ball always found Steph, it always found Klay. It always found the guys it needed to find. And it was just really a matter of us buying in."

"I think it's also a philosophical thing," Kerr said. "My background is the triangle with Phil Jackson and the motion offense of Popovich where more people are touching the ball, and I suppose I'm a little more egalitarian in my approach ... I feel maybe because I was a role player myself, I feel there's a power in everybody touching the ball and everybody sharing in the offense."


All the pieces matter. The Warriors coached by Thibs the last 7 years would be unrecognizable.

[tpols]

What? :lol

That's not how that works. The philosophy was already there. His assistant coach continued it while he was out.

What is the philosophy? Have Curry play more off ball? Because that's the main thing that changed. But the thing is Curry is the only super star guard who can do it. Ja can't do it. Luka can't do it. Trae can't do it. Derozan can't do it. Kyrie and Harden and Chris Paul don't do it. Curry is the ONLY superstar guard capable of this elite off ball game where he scrambles defenses and gets his teammates a ton of open looks while also producing on 30+ ppg.

To act like Kerr is more valuable than curry is not only wrong, its down right basketball blasphemy and you ought be ashamed of yourself. :lol Tons of coaches are >> Mark Jackson and would've figured out to use the chefs off ball talent more.

[j3lademaster]

We really stop acting like coaching doesn’t matter….I never said Kerr didn't, I just think Steph is the most important piece to developing the Warrior's culture into what it is today. Why does everything have to be all or nothing?

edit: but for the record, coaching matters less in basketball than almost any other sport.

[AlternativeAcc.]

lol at comparing a bench player that couldn’t even make the playoffs last 2 yrs when the good players on his team were injured…

and when they played tght it was clear to everyone that durant was the much better player. Curry is just a role player in an amazing team that wins with or without him.

bangggggg!!!!

[Kblaze8855]

I never said Kerr didn't, I just think Steph is the most important piece to developing the Warrior's culture into what it is today.

Hes the best player by a mile but culture is top to bottom. Being a nice guy on a team that plays stupid only gets you so far. You need the players and the system both. Both fall short alone.

[j3lademaster]

Hes the best player by a mile but culture is top to bottom. Being a nice guy on a team that plays stupid only gets you so far. You need the players and the system both. Both fall short alone.It's not just his talent, it's his attitude. The only other guy I can think of with this level of talent and virtually no ego is Tim Duncan. It's very important that the best player buys in so the other guys fall in line. Compare that to someone like Kyrie who explicitly states that they don't need a coach right off the bat, it's night and day. I agree the new ownership had something to do with it, too, but you're not going to convince me Steph isn't the driving force behind it all.

[ShawkFactory]

What is the philosophy? .

I'll quote something from KBlaze's post directly before yours:


"I remember early meetings and early practices looking at Steve like he was out of his ****ing mind," Green told Redick. "This guy's preaching ball movement and 'Hey Steph, don't hold the ball, swing the ball!'"

There's your philosophy. Right here ^


To act like Kerr is more valuable than curry is not only wrong, its down right basketball blasphemy and you ought be ashamed of yourself

Who said that? It seems like that's what you've programmed me to have said to make this argument easier for yourself.

A team can't really be what they become without the best player. But the Warriors would not be what they are without the offensive mindset.

[Kblaze8855]

It's not just his talent, it's his attitude. The only other guy I can think of with this level of talent and virtually no ego is Tim Duncan. It's very important that the best player buys in so the other guys fall in line. Compare that to someone like Kyrie who explicitly states that they don't need a coach right off the bat, it's night and day. I agree the new ownership had something to do with it, too, but you're not going to convince me Steph isn't the driving force behind it all.


I don’t need to convince you of anything. Stupid coaching has ruined the seasons and careers of people since the beginning. And Duncan is a great example actually. If there’s a fan club count me in. Great unselfish player. But put him on a team with like 10 other stars and coach them poorly(lineups and play style) they can lose to Carlos Arroyo and nobodies.

I don’t know that either Steph or Duncan can form a winning culture without the coaches they ended up with. Win period? Sure. Winning has a lot of factors luck being one. But a glorious loving everyone winning culture? I don’t know. Not like it got there when Curry was drafted. Lot of people pulling in the right direction.

[Spurs m8]

Going from the greatest team of all-time to the worst team in the league and then back to being a winning team in such a short time frame is not to be sneezed at. How often do we see such massive turnarounds without major trades and exchanges of assets?

They were always top heavy and kept their big 3.

Kd the only notable difference, obviously.

So they put the pieces around the big 3....spurs did that for ages and won multiple championships....they also didn't need to have a big 4, to win 2 thirds of their rings

Imagine the Spurs added prime shaq or something lol

[Stephonit]

They were always top heavy and kept their big 3.

Kd the only notable difference, obviously.

So they put the pieces around the big 3....spurs did that for ages and won multiple championships....they also didn't need to have a big 4, to win 2 thirds of their rings

Imagine the Spurs added prime shaq or something lol

Then at worst you're comparing Steph to Duncan and even Duncan didn't have to recover from a season in which they had the worst record in the league.

Durant is Shaq? No, he's more like Kawhi. Oh right....

[Spurs m8]

Then at worst you're comparing Steph to Duncan and even Duncan didn't have to recover from a season in which they had the worst record in the league.

Durant is Shaq? No, he's more like Kawhi. Oh right....

The big 3 never played with a star kawhi...just a young role player version...maybe one star year when Duncan was like 40 lol

But yea, Duncan never let his team go lottery

Sometimes I think the Warrior fans forget about us remembering a prime KD joined a 73 win team

Until the Warriors lose Steph, Klay and Dray and then recover to be a top team again, then we will talk

[Stephonit]

The big 3 never played with a star kawhi...just a young role player version...maybe one star year when Duncan was like 40 lol

But yea, Duncan never let his team go lottery

Sometimes I think the Warrior fans forget about us remembering a prime KD joined a 73 win team

Until the Warriors lose Steph, Klay and Dray and then recover to be a top team again, then we will talk

But they did lose Steph and Klay for 2020—and it wasn't pretty. Don't know why they'd also need to lose Draymond for the argument I'm making.

[ShawkFactory]

But they did lose Steph and Klay for 2020—and it wasn't pretty. Don't know why they'd also need to lose Draymond for the argument I'm making.

Yea...so why are you hyping thus huge turnaround? The Spurs had the #1 pick when Robinson was injured. Sometimes when you lose you're best, or in this case 2 best players, you're team isn't very good.

[Stephonit]

Yea...so why are you hyping thus huge turnaround? The Spurs had the #1 pick when Robinson was injured. Sometimes when you lose you're best, or in this case 2 best players, you're team isn't very good.

Uh, that's my point?

[Spurs m8]

But they did lose Steph and Klay for 2020—and it wasn't pretty. Don't know why they'd also need to lose Draymond for the argument I'm making.

I think we have different definitions of a team going rock bottom and recovering.

[kawhileonard2]

Kawhi didn't play. Lebron and KD were on teams that were favorites to win it all and neither got out of round 1.

[Nb1]

Those are literally the worst 3 guys you could’ve picked for Steph lol.

Last time he met Kawhi in the playoffs, Kawhi made him his bit** and won.

Last time he met Lebron in the playoffs, Lebron sank the game winner clutchest shot of all time in his face.

Last time he played with Durant in the playoffs, Durant won FMVP over him carrying his a** and showed how insanely better he is than him to the whole world lol.

When you want to compare Steph to someone you gotta start with bench players, that’s what he is. Don’t even try to pick a good player to compare bc you’ll get humiliated.

[Mr. Woke]

Still going at it with the current league's now back-to-back MVP and pulling through. Yeah that's right your friendly neighborhood Warrior Stephen Curry. That's despite being left with the worst roster in the league a couple of years ago while Kawhi, LeBron, and KD formed superteams. What a comeback. Shows who the real deal these past few years has been.

Kawhi is not on a superteam.

KD hasn't been on a superteam since he left the Warriors.

The 2020 Lakers were a superteam, but the 2021 and 2022 Lakers weren't superteams lol.

A team can only be a superteam if it has at least two All-Star level players (a team with either three or four All-Star level players is a super-duper team) and actually wins the title. No title, no super label.

[Mr. Woke]

Kawhi didn't play. Lebron and KD were on teams that were favorites to win it all and neither got out of round 1.

Whoever predicted the Lakers or the Nets to win it all this year is a braindead retard who clearly is a casual fan.

[Stephonit]

I think we have different definitions of a team going rock bottom and recovering.

It sure seems that way. Don't know why having the worst record in the league wouldn't qualify.



Those are literally the worst 3 guys you could’ve picked for Steph lol.

Last time he met Kawhi in the playoffs, Kawhi made him his bit** and won.

Last time he met Lebron in the playoffs, Lebron sank the game winner clutchest shot of all time in his face.

Last time he played with Durant in the playoffs, Durant won FMVP over him carrying his a** and showed how insanely better he is than him to the whole world lol.

When you want to compare Steph to someone you gotta start with bench players, that’s what he is. Don’t even try to pick a good player to compare bc you’ll get humiliated.

Take your meds. You might feel better.



Kawhi is not on a superteam.

KD hasn't been on a superteam since he left the Warriors.

The 2020 Lakers were a superteam, but the 2021 and 2022 Lakers weren't superteams lol.

A team can only be a superteam if it has at least two All-Star level players (a team with either three or four All-Star level players is a super-duper team) and actually wins the title. No title, no super label.

The intention to create one was clearly there and I think intent matters.

[Mr. Woke]

It sure seems that way. Don't know why having the worst record in the league wouldn't qualify.




Take your meds. You might feel better.




The intention to create one was clearly there and I think intent matters.

There is nothing wrong with trying to create a super team. Almost every championship winning team in NBA history has been either a super team or a super-duper team lmao. If you ain't trying to create either a super team or a super-duper team, you ain't trying hard enough.

[Stephonit]

There is nothing wrong with trying to create a super team. Almost every championship winning team in NBA history has been either a super team or a super-duper team lmao. If you ain't trying to create either a super team or a super-duper team, you ain't trying hard enough.

Superteams tend to front load their chances at the expense of their future. It's the equivalent of taking on debt to enjoy the now come what may later. From one perspective there is nothing wrong with that. But from another it is perfectly valid to think there is.

If you think those freakish corporate conglomerates that come out of nowhere to dominate an industry then suddenly crash and burn from the weight of their debts is better than a company that grew naturally from profits selling their products and services I'm not going to stop you but many may think differently and that the latter is healthier for an economy.

[Baller789]

There is nothing wrong with trying to create a super team. Almost every championship winning team in NBA history has been either a super team or a super-duper team lmao. If you ain't trying to create either a super team or a super-duper team, you ain't trying hard enough.

Depends if it was formed by colluding between players.

[Mr. Woke]

Superteams tend to front load their chances at the expense of their future. It's the equivalent of taking on debt to enjoy the now come what may later. From one perspective there is nothing wrong with that. But from another it is perfectly valid to think there is.

If you think those freakish corporate conglomerates that come out of nowhere to dominate an industry then suddenly crash and burn from the weight of their debts is better than a company that grew naturally from profits selling their products and services I'm not going to stop you but many may think differently and that the latter is healthier for an economy.

Comparing an NBA team to a corporate conglomerate is idiotic. There is no "right way" to build a championship contender; a team has three ways to build a team: through the draft, free agency, and trades. Overemphasizing the draft just for the sake of having a "homegrown team" is asinine.

Besides, if super teams and super-duper teams suddenly crash and burn (according to you), then why do so many pinheads act like the world is ending whenever a potential super team or super-duper team emerges? Besides, almost every championship winning team in NBA history has either been a super team or a super-duper team.

[Mr. Woke]

Depends if it was formed by colluding between players.

Players are allowed to collude.

[Stephonit]

Comparing an NBA team to a corporate conglomerate is idiotic. There is no "right way" to build a championship contender; a team has three ways to build a team: through the draft, free agency, and trades. Overemphasizing the draft just for the sake of having a "homegrown team" is asinine.

Besides, if super teams and super-duper teams suddenly crash and burn (according to you), then why do so many pinheads act like the world is ending whenever a potential super team or super-duper team emerges? Besides, almost every championship winning team in NBA history has either been a super team or a super-duper team.

Some would say it is stacking the deck and unfair. I think it is valid. But I'd also consider the argument that winning without colluding displays a different skill set that is valuable and that it is a more universal challenge. Some greats never got to play with another all-time great, should they be considered less great than someone who spent their entire career playing with other greats or should one also factor in the context?

What defines greatness? Racking up numbers? Winning championships? Overcoming adversity?

When comparing great players against each other I think a player that can show all three has an edge over one who has not.

[Mr. Woke]

Some would say it is stacking the deck and unfair. I think it is valid. But I'd also consider the argument that winning without colluding displays a different skill set that is valuable and that it is a more universal challenge. Some greats never got to play with another all-time great, should they be considered less great than someone who spent their entire career playing with other greats or should one also factor in the context?

What defines greatness? Racking up numbers? Winning a championship? Overcoming adversity?

It's really only stacking the deck or unfair if the star players on the team actually play well together and play in a substantial amount of games together. Besides, teams have no obligation to maintain parity. A team should always strive to be as dominant as possible.

Players are allowed to collude though.

Regarding the other stuff, that's mostly subjective. To me, greatness is performing well on the court and doing whatever it takes to win (without breaking any league rules). Also, just because a team doesn't win a title doesn't necessarily mean that the season was a failure.

[Nb1]

Curry has only proved that he was never the best on his team and couldn't carry a banana to save his life till now.

2015: Kyrie and Love got hurt and Bron was playing with Shumpert, Dellavedova, Mozgov and frkin Thompson and only because they had no one else to play and got tired at the end of games/overtime they barely lost. Would have swept the Warriors if they had 1 average player more to help Lebron and if it wasn't for Iguodala, Curry was nowhere to be found lol

2016: As soon as Draymond got suspended Curry sh** his pants so bad that they lost a 3-1 lead, worst in history

And then they had to ask for help to Durant who won both finals MVP's showing Curry was basically useless.

So, in all these years Curry has only showed us that he is a loser and needs an insane amount of help and also luck that the other teams miss all their best players to win. That's the reality. Lol at comparing them to those guys who single handily took a big dump on his head in the playoffs last time they met (and for Durant showed he was by far the better guy on the floor).

[Stephonit]

Curry has only proved that he was never the best on his team and couldn't carry a banana to save his life till now.

2015: Kyrie and Love got hurt and Bron was playing with Shumpert, Dellavedova, Mozgov and frkin Thompson and only because they had no one else to play and got tired at the end of games/overtime they barely lost. Would have swept the Warriors if they had 1 average player more to help Lebron and if it wasn't for Iguodala, Curry was nowhere to be found lol

2016: As soon as Draymond got suspended Curry sh** his pants so bad that they lost a 3-1 lead, worst in history

And then they had to ask for help to Durant who won both finals MVP's showing Curry was basically useless.

So, in all these years Curry has only showed us that he is a loser and needs an insane amount of help and also luck that the other teams miss all their best players to win. That's the reality. Lol at comparing them to those guys who single handily took a big dump on his head in the playoffs last time they met (and for Durant showed he was by far the better guy on the floor).


Still in the playoffs this season despite not colluding to make a superteam.

[ShawkFactory]

Uh, that's my point?

You’re making it seem as though Steph is unique in this regard.

[Stephonit]

You’re making it seem as though Steph is unique in this regard.

I'm unsure how unique it is but it is rare. I do not think Kawhi, LeBron or KD can make the claim.

[hold this L]

Still in the playoffs this season despite not colluding to make a superteam.

This is the Lebron loser that cries whenever the Warriors do well. His tendency is to use of his of the hundred alt accounts he has and spam them during the PS in topics around the Warriors or.. in particular the Chef. I thought it was the Kawhi idiot at first, but it's this loser instead. Don't take it too seriously, the little boy is seething right now. :lol

[ShawkFactory]

I'm unsure how unique it is but it is rare. I do not think Kawhi, LeBron or KD can make the claim.

Depends on the team. There are certainly periods in each of their careers where if you removed them from the team they're lottery but on the court their title contenders.

[Nb1]

Still in the playoffs this season despite not colluding to make a superteam.

Yes, because of his team again. When Dray and Klay weren't healthy he didn't even make the playoffs lol.

[rmt]

Those aren't the same thing. Curry didn't create that culture, he benefits from it like everyone else.

I think Curry is a big part of that culture. After watching the divas (KD, Kyrie and Simmons), Curry's unselfishness (and talent) allows that culture to thrive. Any coach/organization can implement a culture but if you don't have your star buying in, they can "culture" all they want, it's not going to work.

[Nb1]

This is the Lebron loser that cries whenever the Warriors do well. His tendency is to use of his of the hundred alt accounts he has and spam them during the PS in topics around the Warriors or.. in particular the Chef. I thought it was the Kawhi idiot at first, but it's this loser instead. Don't take it too seriously, the little boy is seething right now. :lol

So, what's the counter argument? Curry never won anything by himself. Everytime he missed games in the playoffs or came of bench his team won and when he didn't have a fully healthy team he lost and couldn't even make the playoffs lol. Never won a finals MVP. Lost to Kawhi last time they met. Got the clutchest shot of all time in his face by Lebron last time they met. And last time he played with Durant the whole world aknowledgee Durant as by far the best player.
So, the 3 guys mentioned here all took a big dump on his head, those are facts.

If Klay and Dray got injured and Curry won something i'd be the first to praise him, but he never did and everytime a game gets tough he sh** his pants. Probably the only player on earth who doesn't have 1 great playoff moment after 13 frkin seasons played. How tf can anyone even defend him at this point?
He's the best shooting player in history of the sport and has 0 impact and can't make a shot to save his life when it gets tough. Never saw such a great player be at the same time such a loser. And there is 0 arguments against it.

Like i said, if Klay and Dray get injured now and the Warriors win and he's the one carrying them i'll respect him big time. But so far, after 13 seasons he showed the exact opposite.

[Baller789]

Players are allowed to collude.

Yeah that's why the public hated the Heatles.

[Mr. Woke]

Yeah that's why the public hated the Heatles.

Haters gonna hate.

[Baller789]

Haters gonna hate.

Yeah which is the majority of NBA fans. :lol

That's why your hero can't get his god damn rezpekt!