"Chris Paul is a choker" 33 Points | 14-14 FG | 8 Assists in a closeout game 6

[1987_Lakers]

:oldlol:

[red1]

point god

[NBAGOAT]

he's old he'll have games like game 3. Still usually going be one of the best players on the court

[SATAN]

Good game but it was the first round against the Pels...

[ImKobe]

Needed every call to go his way to barely beat a 10th seed.


That's the best Playoff game he's ever had, and to do it at this age is just ridiculous. 12 of of those makes were from mid-range/3 IIRC. 104.7%TS.

[RRR3]

He's legitimately not even close to his prime level anyways, dude gets held to insane standards by morons on here.

[FultzNationRISE]

Well, he does choke a lot. But obviously tonight he got the job done.

[999Guy]

First truly mediocre team he’s ever faced in the PO.

If he had the weak comp of other ATG his prime would’ve been full of games even better than this.

[1987_Lakers]

he's old he'll have games like game 3. Still usually going be one of the best players on the court

No doubt, he's not the same player he once was so it's weird for people to still treat him like he's 28 yrs old whenever he has an off game. We have never seen a point guard with the all-around game like Paul.

[Manny98]

Best player ever under 6'3

Inspiration to us little guys :applause:

[ImKobe]

First truly mediocre team he’s ever faced in the PO.

If he had the weak comp of other ATG his prime would’ve been full of games even better than this.

Switch Bran & CP0 for their careers. How many Finals appearances/rings does Paul have with those same teams? I'm thinking at least 7 Finals if he plays out East on those superteams.

[Spurs m8]

Op uses a 1 game sample size over a 17 year career

Low iq moron, as usual

[1987_Lakers]

Switch Bran & CP0 for their careers. How many Finals appearances/rings does Paul have with those same teams? I'm thinking at least 7 Finals if he plays out East on those superteams.

Tough week for ImKobe.

[NBAGOAT]

Op uses a 1 game sample size over a 17 year career

Low iq moron, as usual

20.5/8.5 on 58ts% for his career in the playoffs. For reference he's 18/9.5 on 58ts% during the regular season though that's affected by a few early years not making the playoffs. if basically no dropoff in the playoffs is still being a choker, then there are less than 5 guys in nba history who arent chokers

[Naero]

It's the most points ever scored in a playoff game with a 100.0 field-goal percentage, per StatMuse (https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=most+points+in+an+nba+playoff+game+with+100% 25+shooting). CP3 is also the only player with over twenty points on that list to have attempted a three-pointer and had perfect TS% for the game.

[1987_Lakers]

20.5/8.5 on 58ts% for his career in the playoffs. For reference he's 18/9.5 on 58ts% during the regular season though that's affected by a few early years not making the playoffs. if basically no dropoff in the playoffs is still being a choker, then there are less than 5 guys in nba history who arent chokers

The CP3 choker label is mostly because he doesn't have rings, has very little to do with his performances. These posters really think basketball is an individual sport.

[NBAGOAT]

The CP3 choker label is mostly because he doesn't have rings, has very little to do with his performances. These posters really think basketball is an individual sport.

yea definitely. I havent really done it much this year but still have to stan and defend him when it comes up lol

[RRR3]

The CP3 choker label is mostly because he doesn't have rings, has very little to do with his performances. These posters really think basketball is an individual sport.
I've never met anyone who said CP3 is a choker who remotely knows what they're talking about. They either say it because they personally dislike him or because they just gobble up Skip Bayless type narratives without critically thinking. I'm not saying CP3 has never choked because every player has, but he's almost always produced at or above his usual level in the playoffs, so calling him a choker doesn't make much sense. He also very likely wins a ring and possible FMVP in 2018 by beating the GOAT team if he didn't get hurt, and we're never even having this conversation anymore.

[tpols]

He will have a game like this and then a 4 point 25% FG game in the Finals. Pelicans don't mean shit. Lets see what he does against real teams.

[John_Connor]

but he is a choker


he beat a team he was supposed to beat in the first round. congrats

[kawhileonard2]

And against his former team.

[1987_Lakers]

but he is a choker


he beat a team he was supposed to beat in the first round. congrats

Kobe was supposed to beat the 2004 Pistons and choked big time.

[WhiteKyrie]

Op uses a 1 game sample size over a 17 year career

Low iq moron, as usual

Bro he’s a top 5 PG ever, obviously. Durability issues aside, he’s clutch too. This is indisputable. And is a two way player unlike say a Steph Curry.

[John_Connor]

Kobe was supposed to beat the 2004 Pistons and choked big time.

yeah ok. that's why he won 5 out if the other 6 finals he went to though so he wouldn't get any kind of choking label

we could start up a conversation about kobes surgically repaired knee and shoulder or the rape trial or shaq fued or Larry brown admitting he let shaq get his to shut down kobe or Payton mailing it in or malone getting hurt but who cares. believe kobe choked. everybody has one. even jordan in 95

some have many like lebron a dozen times

thats why only Paul and lebron are looked at as chokers out of those 4. cause it's the amount. not the act itself

[Zeppelin]

Wouldn't necessarily call him a choker, but blowing his wad in the first round against a team that finished 9th in their conference and 5 games below 500 is very on-brand for CP3. Can't really blame the guy though, not like he's played in many meaningful games.

[999Guy]

Wouldn't necessarily call him a choker, but blowing his wad in the first round against a team that finished 9th in their conference and 5 games below 500 is very on-brand for CP3. Can't really blame the guy though, not like he's played in many meaningful games.
On brand? He faced dynasties and legendary cores for a decade in the west, all in the first two rounds, after 15 years, he plays one shitty team out of literally 30+ and it’s “on brand”? Do you know how dumb narratives allow you idiots sound with confidence?

You can just make shit up because you know you have an army other dumbasses who like the narratives over every everything.

[999Guy]

He will have a game like this and then a 4 point 25% FG game in the Finals. Pelicans don't mean shit. Lets see what he does against real teams.

You’ve seen it…. You’re not about to discover anything about a middle aged Chris Paul.

[kawhileonard2]

Kobe was supposed to beat the 2004 Pistons and choked big time.

Lebron was to beat Dwight Howard and choked big time. Lebron was to win gold medal and lost to Carlos Arroyo.

[ImKobe]

The CP3 choker label is mostly because he doesn't have rings, has very little to do with his performances. These posters really think basketball is an individual sport.

CP3 has done enough choking in close-out/elimination games, which is why he didn't get out of the 2nd until he was 33.

[k0kakw0rld]

:oldlol:

He needs to win and that's exactly what he is not going to be able to do again.

[WhiteKyrie]

CP3 has done enough choking in close-out/elimination games, which is why he didn't get out of the 2nd until he was 33.

Not true. He’s come up huge in playoff moments.

You’re just a knob slobber of Steph. Who has also choked.

I specifically remember CP3 hitting clutch buckets to go up against the 2018 Warriors before another injury sidelined the Rockets from taking the series. His durability is what has kept him from winning, he’s not a choker.

The only guys in the league history, that you can definitively say aren’t chokers based on the shifting parameters for people, would be Michael Jordan and Jerry West.

[FultzNationRISE]

Not true. He’s come up huge in playoff moments.

You’re just a knob slobber of Steph. Who has also choked.

I specifically remember CP3 hitting clutch buckets to go up against the 2018 Warriors before another injury sidelined the Rockets from taking the series. His durability is what has kept him from winning, he’s not a choker.

The only guys in the league history, that you can definitively say aren’t chokers based on the shifting parameters for people, would be Michael Jordan and Jerry West.

I think you mean Lebron James.

But as far as Chris Paul, hes amazingly clutch between the last 5 minutes and the final 15 seconds.

At the very, very end of the game... he has a well known habit of passing on a shot he should take or somehow bungling the possession.

Also fitting that he had a great post season run last year until the final series, where he was quiet.

[ImKobe]

Not true. He’s come up huge in playoff moments.

You’re just a knob slobber of Steph. Who has also choked.

I specifically remember CP3 hitting clutch buckets to go up against the 2018 Warriors before another injury sidelined the Rockets from taking the series. His durability is what has kept him from winning, he’s not a choker.

The only guys in the league history, that you can definitively say aren’t chokers based on the shifting parameters for people, would be Michael Jordan and Jerry West.

You can't tell me he didn't choke in his prime years man. Yes, injuries have also been a factor in his career & he's definitely had some bad luck with Blake and with his own health, but you can't rewrite history based on what he's doing now in his mid-30s. I'm not saying he's a choker right now, but he definitely had that label until he finally got to the WCF.

[Mr. Woke]

He has looked pretty good so far. This season he has also clearly benefited from having a stacked supporting cast around him, unlike other players like LeBron and KD.

[NBAGOAT]

You can't tell me he didn't choke in his prime years man. Yes, injuries have also been a factor in his career & he's definitely had some bad luck with Blake and with his own health, but you can't rewrite history based on what he's doing now in his mid-30s. I'm not saying he's a choker right now, but he definitely had that label until he finally got to the WCF.

That label was absolutely overstated. His teams choking also doesn’t mean he did. 2015 was definitely more doc and Blake’s fault for example.

[1987_Lakers]

You can't tell me he didn't choke in his prime years man. Yes, injuries have also been a factor in his career & he's definitely had some bad luck with Blake and with his own health, but you can't rewrite history based on what he's doing now in his mid-30s. I'm not saying he's a choker right now, but he definitely had that label until he finally got to the WCF.

That's the issue. You have people who know very little about the game look at things in black and white, "his team didn't make it far, he must be a choker", not realizing this is a team game, the same thing was said about Dirk prior to 2011. It's very simplistic/lazy analysis that discourages critical thinking. CP3's numbers don't drop off at all in the postseason & his teams were never favored to win a title heading into the playoffs. He also hit a game winner in a game 7 vs the defending champions at one point.

[ImKobe]

That's the issue. You have people who know very little about the game look at things in black and white, "his team didn't make it far, he must be a choker", not realizing this is a team game, the same thing was said about Dirk prior to 2011. It's very simplistic/lazy analysis that discourages critical thinking. CP3's numbers don't drop off at all in the postseason & his teams were never favored to win a title heading into the playoffs. He also hit a game winner in a game 7 vs the defending champions at one point.

Dirk made the Finals and got his team past the 2nd round multiple times and had less help than CP0, even prior to the '11 run.

Paul's always had great numbers but it's undeniable that he came up short in crunch time some of these series, which is why he got bounced early. It wasn't always on him but he had his moments.

Not being favored to win the title doesn't mean that you get to lose in the 1st or 2nd round with HCA over & over again and still be in the convo for top 5 PG all time. That's what stopped him from being looked at as an ATG top 5 PG, he's obviously done a lot over the last 5 years so he's earned it now.

[1987_Lakers]

Not being favored to win the title doesn't mean that you get to lose in the 1st or 2nd round with HCA over & over again and still be in the convo for top 5 PG all time. That's what stopped him from being looked at as an ATG top 5 PG, he's obviously done a lot over the last 5 years so he's earned it now.

2008: Lost with HCA
2009: Didn't have HCA when they lost
2011: Didn't have HCA
2012: Didn't have HCA
2013: Lost with HCA (Had the same record as the Grizzlies)
2014: Didn't have HCA
2015: Didn't have HCA
2016: Team was injured
2017: Blake gets injured
2018: Lost with HCA (But still underdogs to the Warriors and CP3 got hurt)
2019: Didn't have HCA when they lost

You're an idiot. During his prime years, he lost with HCA only 3 times in 11 years, only 2 times when he was healthy.

That tells me his team usually lost to the better team.

[ImKobe]

2008: Lost with HCA
2009: Didn't have HCA when they lost
2011: Didn't have HCA
2012: Didn't have HCA
2013: Lost with HCA (Had the same record as the Grizzlies)
2014: Didn't have HCA
2015: Didn't have HCA
2016: Team was injured
2017: Blake gets injured
2018: Lost with HCA (But still underdogs to the Warriors and CP3 got hurt)
2019: Didn't have HCA when they lost

You're an idiot.

So he lost three Game 7s (two at home) and failed to close out 2015 at home with an all-time meltdown as well. Not a great look. Oh yeah, he also had a 2 - 0 lead in the Finals last year & got backdoor swept. He also had the small ball Rockets with an injured WB (who was doing his best to lose the series) and failed to close that one out in the bubble as well.

[1987_Lakers]

So he lost three Game 7s (two at home) and failed to close out 2015 at home with an all-time meltdown as well. Not a great look. Oh yeah, he also had a 2 - 0 lead in the Finals last year & got backdoor swept. He also had the small ball Rockets with an injured WB (who was doing his best to lose the series) and failed to close that one out in the bubble as well.

He also won three game 7s (One on the road)

Tell me again how CP3 lost with HCA over and over again you liar. :oldlol:

[LAL]

I usually love ImKobe's posts but he's just hating on 37 year old 2 way point god CP3 while protecting players like Ben Simmons, bad look.

[hold this L]

I don't even like the midget, but we shouldn't be discussing the dude being a choker when he had 14-14 in a closeout game. Just give the man his props, he was incredible and this will be one of the more memorable games form anyone this playoff season. Just give the Point God his due. :applause::bowdown:

[John8204]

Look at his former teammates and look at him...he was clearly never the problem. If anything a bunch of guys made a lot of money having him as their PG.

[ArbitraryWater]

Op uses a 1 game sample size over a 17 year career

Low iq moron, as usual

no he isnt.

youre so dumb its hardly real

[ArbitraryWater]

So he lost three Game 7s (two at home) and failed to close out 2015 at home with an all-time meltdown as well. Not a great look. Oh yeah, he also had a 2 - 0 lead in the Finals last year & got backdoor swept. He also had the small ball Rockets with an injured WB (who was doing his best to lose the series) and failed to close that one out in the bubble as well.


I fail to see the 2 game 7's he lost at home you lying piece of shit.

[ShawkFactory]

Dirk made the Finals and got his team past the 2nd round multiple times and had less help than CP0, even prior to the '11 run.

Paul's always had great numbers but it's undeniable that he came up short in crunch time some of these series, which is why he got bounced early. It wasn't always on him but he had his moments.

Not being favored to win the title doesn't mean that you get to lose in the 1st or 2nd round with HCA over & over again and still be in the convo for top 5 PG all time. That's what stopped him from being looked at as an ATG top 5 PG, he's obviously done a lot over the last 5 years so he's earned it now.

What does that mean, though? I feel like those Clippers teams are drastically overrated these days. CP is the reason they were what they were. They weren't some super team.

I believe they were 32-50 the year before he got there.

[warriorfan]

Dude still has a small package

[Wally450]

Switch Bran & CP0 for their careers. How many Finals appearances/rings does Paul have with those same teams? I'm thinking at least 7 Finals if he plays out East on those superteams.

What?

[hold this L]

Switch Bran & CP0 for their careers. How many Finals appearances/rings does Paul have with those same teams? I'm thinking at least 7 Finals if he plays out East on those superteams.

CP3 is about 3 levels below Lebron. He'd be significantly less successful.

[FKAri]

CP3 is about 3 levels below Lebron. He'd be significantly less successful.

Then who are 1 and 2 levels below Bron?

[Zeppelin]

Then who are 1 and 2 levels below Bron?

Someone like Kobe or Duncan could be considered a level below Lebron.

Then Steph and/or KD would be the level below that.

The latter two still have time to change this though.

[Zeppelin]

On brand? He faced dynasties and legendary cores for a decade in the west, all in the first two rounds, after 15 years, he plays one shitty team out of literally 30+ and it’s “on brand”? Do you know how dumb narratives allow you idiots sound with confidence?

You can just make shit up because you know you have an army other dumbasses who like the narratives over every everything.

Every single team that made it past the first two rounds in the west for the last 15 years was a legendary core or a dynasty? Ok. I'm not saying CP3 only plays shit teams, he only beats shit teams (with a lot of help).

I can almost predict how this playoffs is going to go. He is going to 'point god' his way past a Mavs team that would be overmatched even if he were to not play. And then he'll get completely waxed by either the Warriors or the Grizz, who will then be declared insurmountable, legendary obstacles by his idiot stans.

[LAL]

Someone like Kobe or Duncan could be considered a level below Lebron.

Then Steph and/or KD would be the level below that.

The latter two still have time to change this though.

In your own little mind yes.

[Zeppelin]

In your own little mind yes.

I dislike his game as much as the next guy, but at this point, he has won at least as much as either as the main guy, while also being statistically superior across the board.

It's fair to believe that Mike is the only player ever that was a level above Kobe or Duncan. In my opinion, there is an intermediate level and Bron lives there.

[jayfan]

Sorry, were they up 3-2, or down 3-2?

Where was the pressure?


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[LAL]

I dislike his game as much as the next guy, but at this point, he has won at least as much as either as the main guy, while also being statistically superior across the board.

It's fair to believe that Mike is the only player ever that was a level above Kobe or Duncan. In my opinion, there is an intermediate level and Bron lives there.

But that's like..your opinion. Agree to disagree sir.

[Zeppelin]

But that's like..your opinion. Agree to disagree sir.

The best kind of agreement.

[999Guy]

Every single team that made it past the first two rounds in the west for the last 15 years was a legendary core or a dynasty? Ok. I'm not saying CP3 only plays shit teams, he only beats shit teams (with a lot of help).
Phil Jackson’s Kobe/Pau Lakers, Dirk’s Mavs, Duncan’s Spurs(BOTH versions), D’Antoni’s Rockets, Kerr’s Warriors, KD/Westbrook Thunder, Grindhouse Grizzlies.

All faced within the 1st and 2nd rounds.


Which one of these cores don’t get talk from fans with tears in their eyes about how legendary they were? The Rockets? And that would only happen because of dumb****s like you who pretty don’t know how to be a fan without narrative based horseshit.

He beat half these teams and utterly shat on most of them at multiple points.

He beat the actual best cores as well. Pop’s Spurs and Kerr’s Warriors, both within a year of dominant titles, only not winning them because of his efforts.

Gobert’s Jazz would be the best team Magic ever faced in the West, which is something you haven’t even been trained by the media to think about, so you no more depth in this conversation, and that’s not even a core I would mention with the others. Paul waxed them twice, on crazy games. Another thing you don’t have the depth to acknowledge. You don’t know shit about what you’re talking about. Schemes, cores, injuries, performances vibes of entire eras. All lost on you.

But I do know who to call to tell me who the second round opponent this year is.

[ImKobe]

CP3 is about 3 levels below Lebron. He'd be significantly less successful.

Ok, so none of that has to do with CP0 playing in a tougher Conference with less help? If you put Bran on those Clippers/Rockets squads, is he making the Finals every year like he did out East? Be honest.

[1987_Lakers]

Ok, so none of that has to do with CP0 playing in a tougher Conference with less help? If you put Bran on those Clippers/Rockets squads, is he making the Finals every year like he did out East? Be honest.

Why did you lie about CP3 losing with HCA over and over again?

[ImKobe]

I dislike his game as much as the next guy, but at this point, he has won at least as much as either as the main guy, while also being statistically superior across the board.

It's fair to believe that Mike is the only player ever that was a level above Kobe or Duncan. In my opinion, there is an intermediate level and Bron lives there.

Bran is really the first superstar to maximize his chance at winning a championship from season to season, and he was less successful than KB & TD, and those guys stayed on their teams when they had little to no chance of contending for a chip in their damn primes.

[ImKobe]

Why did you lie about CP3 losing with HCA over and over again?

I didn't. He lost with HCA plenty of times and he had close-out games at home and failed to deliver. Imagine blaming the '15 WCSF on HCA and not him choking when it mattered most.

[1987_Lakers]

Not being favored to win the title doesn't mean that you get to lose in the 1st or 2nd round with HCA over & over again


2008: Lost with HCA
2009: Didn't have HCA when they lost
2011: Didn't have HCA
2012: Didn't have HCA
2013: Lost with HCA (Had the same record as the Grizzlies)
2014: Didn't have HCA
2015: Didn't have HCA
2016: Team was injured
2017: Blake gets injured
2018: Lost with HCA (But still underdogs to the Warriors and CP3 got hurt)
2019: Didn't have HCA when they lost

You're an idiot. During his prime years, he lost with HCA only 3 times in 11 years, only 2 times when he was healthy.

That tells me his team usually lost to the better team.

:lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Bran is really the first superstar to maximize his chance at winning a championship from season to season, and he was less successful than KB & TD, and those guys stayed on their teams when they had little to no chance of contending for a chip in their damn primes.
Duncan played on a contender literally his entire career. And Kobe played on one for 14 of his first 17 years before tearing his achilles.

[Shooter]

Switch Bran & CP0 for their careers. How many Finals appearances/rings does Paul have with those same teams? I'm thinking at least 7 Finals if he plays out East on those superteams.

Tough life for Im12be

[Mr. Woke]

Chris Paul played great for sure. It also helps that he has a stacked supporting cast, unlike guys like LeBron and KD.

[TheGoatest]

The textbook definition of a "choker" is usually being good at something, but failing to do that thing when it really matters.

Normally, Chris Paul is the most ball-secure point guard in history. More than Magic. More than Stockton. More than Isiah. When a player has a 3-to-1 assist to turnover ratio, it is regarded as great. When he has a 3.5 to 1 assist to turnover ratio, it is regarded as phenomenal. Last season, Chris Paul had a 4-to-1 assist to turnover ratio.

Now, in game 4 of the 2021 finals with an opportunity to take a 3-1 lead, Chris Paul and the Suns had a 9 point lead in the 4th quarter. Then, the normally most ball-secure point guard in the history of the league proceeded to turn the ball over not once but twice in the last 4 minutes of the game. And they weren't even dead-ball, threw the ball out of bounds turnovers, but live ones that gave the Bucks 4 easy fast-break points in a game where the Bucks struggled offensively and only shot .402 from the field. I'm sorry, but Chris Paul definitely choked away the Suns opportunity to win a championship last season.

He still has a chance to redeem himself though.

[jayfan]

Now this is a pressure game.


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[Axe]

"Best 37-year old of all-time"

:rockon:

[NBAGOAT]

i'm a stan but this is not looking good. he hasnt had a good game since turning 37.

[Zeppelin]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Leave Chris alone! https://c.tenor.com/o62rikwpgX4AAAAC/leave-britney.gif

Cheating, choking, flopping, piece of shit lol.

[Axe]

i'm a stan but this is not looking good. he hasnt had a good game since turning 37.
Well, somebody jinxed him for good. :oldlol:

[coin24]

Classic chris small:cheers:

[Spurs m8]

What do you know...op is an absolute fvcknut

[Proctor]

What do you know...op is an absolute fvcknut
:oldlol:

[Cold soul]

CP3 coming up small again in close out again elimination games are his kryptonite

[1987_Lakers]

What do you know...op is an absolute fvcknut

Only LeBron's clone Luka can beat a team despite not having much help.

This game just proves LeBron ball is the best ball.

[jayfan]

Only LeBron's clone Luka can beat a team despite not having much help.

This game just proves LeBron ball is the best ball.
There are plenty of threads for that. This thread is about CP3 in pressure games. Pressure games and closeout games are two different things.

[ImKobe]

Chris Paul is a choker.

[ClipperRevival]

Chris Paul is a choker.

He's just not a killer when it comes down to it. He'll tease you with great games once in a while but when you need him most, he reduces himself to a role player. And that mentality kills the morale/confidence of his teammates.

[Proctor]

What happened OP.

:roll:


https://c.tenor.com/MtJ_OYdrs4EAAAAd/rajon-rondo-chris-paul.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS2UZhaUsAEzp_Z?format=jpg&name=small

Yeah, total "choker" hitting shots like this in the 4th quarter of a Game 7.