The only thing Kobe has over Giannis is longevity....Does that still matter?

[Shooter]

Well, well, well...

:lol

[2much_knowledge]

Kobe > giannis

Pathetic attempt to make people say yes so you can come back and turn it into anotherrrrrrrrrrr lebron/jordan topic

T R Y H A R D E R ;)

[John_Connor]

the people who have kobe top 10 will never bump kobe out of their top 10. he's on jordans tier in their minds.

and the people who don't like kobe already have him out of their top 10 for hakeem or curry or west or oscar or whoever and they're massively outnumbered


the guys who will slip on the majority of lists are guys like duncan and shaq who don't really have a following and aren't anywhere close to the goat conversation

[Shooter]

Kobe > giannis

Pathetic attempt to make people say yes so you can come back and turn it into anotherrrrrrrrrrr lebron/jordan topic

T R Y H A R D E R ;)

False


The only thing Kobe has over Giannis is longevity....Does that still matter?

[Shooter]

the people who have kobe top 10 will never bump kobe out of their top 10. he's on jordans tier in their minds.

and the people who don't like kobe already have him out of their top 10 for hakeem or curry or west or oscar or whoever and they're massively outnumbered


the guys who will slip on the majority of lists are guys like duncan and shaq who don't really have a following and aren't anywhere close to the goat conversation

I can't think of ANYONE that would rank Duncan and Shaq below Kobe. If you look at nearly every single list in the history of basketball rankings Kobe is always 10-12. Always. Duncan is usually top 7. Try again.

[John_Connor]

I can't think of ANYONE that would rank Duncan and Shaq below Kobe. If you look at nearly every single list in the history of basketball rankings Kobe is always 10-12. Always. Duncan is usually top 7. Try again.

I can think of 99% of players and 99% of fans that think Kobe is ahead of shaq and duncan

[ShawkFactory]

I can think of 99% of players and 99% of fans that think Kobe is ahead of shaq and duncan

Nah.

[Shooter]

I can think of 99% of players and 99% of fans that think Kobe is ahead of shaq and duncan

You're cute.

ISH has it
https://i.postimg.cc/pXzH9tsh/11be.png

Shaq 7th
Duncan 8th
Kobe 11th

ESPN has it
https://i.postimg.cc/63ntjmpd/Bean12be.jpg

Shaq 9th
Duncan 8th
Kobe 12th

Bleacher report has it
https://shaqfuradio.com/tag/nba-top-50-players
Shaq 6th
Duncan 7th
Kobe 14th

CBS sports has it
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/top-15-players-in-nba-history-cbs-sports-ranks-the-greatest-of-all-time-from-west-and-steph-to-lebron-and-mj/?msclkid=483c636ac34911ec970821c71eb1e24b

Shaq 7th
Duncan 9th
Kobe 10th

Lineups has it
https://www.lineups.com/articles/top-50-nba-players-all-time/
Shaq 7th
Duncan 9th
Kobe 8th

Complex has it
https://www.complex.com/sports/best-nba-players-of-all-time-ranked
Shaq 6th
Duncan 10th
Kobe 5th

hoops hype has it
https://*********.com/lists/75-greatest-nba-players-ever-the-*********-list/

Shaq 9th
Duncan 10th
Kobe 8th

RealGM has it
https://i.postimg.cc/XqZqhWZ0/Real-GM-top-100.png

Shaq 8th
Duncan 5th
Kobe 12th

Backpicks has it
https://backpicks.com/tag/greatest-nba-players-of-all-time/
Shaq 5th
Duncan 7th
Kobe 13th

Average ranks for each player:
Shaq = 7.11
Duncan = 8.11
Kobe = 10.33

They're clearly one tier above him. Welcome to reality.

[John_Connor]

Nah.

fans

https://i.ibb.co/jrC7DzD/Screenshot-20220430-170356-Chrome.jpg


current players

https://i.ibb.co/Z6XFrnq/Screenshot-20220430-171109-Chrome.jpg

and we've all seen what legends had to say about Kobe a million times over from shaq himself to magic to bird to MJ to Barkley to tmac to vince and a million other guys

[John_Connor]

You're cute.

ISH has it
https://i.postimg.cc/pXzH9tsh/11be.png

Shaq 7th
Duncan 8th
Kobe 11th

ESPN has it
https://i.postimg.cc/63ntjmpd/Bean12be.jpg

Shaq 9th
Duncan 8th
Kobe 12th

Bleacher report has it
https://shaqfuradio.com/tag/nba-top-50-players
Shaq 6th
Duncan 7th
Kobe 14th

CBS sports has it
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/top-15-players-in-nba-history-cbs-sports-ranks-the-greatest-of-all-time-from-west-and-steph-to-lebron-and-mj/?msclkid=483c636ac34911ec970821c71eb1e24b

Shaq 7th
Duncan 9th
Kobe 10th

Lineups has it
https://www.lineups.com/articles/top-50-nba-players-all-time/
Shaq 7th
Duncan 9th
Kobe 8th

Complex has it
https://www.complex.com/sports/best-nba-players-of-all-time-ranked
Shaq 6th
Duncan 10th
Kobe 5th

hoops hype has it
https://*********.com/lists/75-greatest-nba-players-ever-the-*********-list/

Shaq 9th
Duncan 10th
Kobe 8th

RealGM has it
https://i.postimg.cc/XqZqhWZ0/Real-GM-top-100.png

Shaq 8th
Duncan 5th
Kobe 12th

Backpicks has it
https://backpicks.com/tag/greatest-nba-players-of-all-time/
Shaq 5th
Duncan 7th
Kobe 13th

Average ranks for each player:
Shaq = 7.11
Duncan = 8.11
Kobe = 10.33

They're clearly one tier above him. Welcome to reality.

all media or message boards. they all hate kobe and don't hire or ban his fans.

[ShawkFactory]

fans

https://i.ibb.co/jrC7DzD/Screenshot-20220430-170356-Chrome.jpg


current players

https://i.ibb.co/Z6XFrnq/Screenshot-20220430-171109-Chrome.jpg

and we've all seen what legends had to say about Kobe a million times over from shaq himself to magic to bird to MJ to Barkley to tmac to vince and a million other guys

I mean I’m not saying I think they’re better than Kobe. They’re all really close and there are plenty that would draft Shaq or Duncan first.

[Shooter]

all media or message boards. they all hate kobe and don't hire or ban his fans.

All 20 of them hate him eh? :lol Is that why Kobe is averaging a rank of 10.33 with Duncan is getting 8.11, a 2 full ranks ahead of him?

[John_Connor]

I mean I’m not saying I think they’re better than Kobe. They’re all really close and there are plenty that would draft Shaq or Duncan first.

I would draft shaq and duncan first too. that only has more to do with the rarity of the position for all time greats..


Jordan's the goat but I would take wilt #1 ..its irrelevant and subjective. Hakeem would go top 5 in an all time draft.

[John_Connor]

All 20 of them hate him eh? :lol Is that why Kobe is averaging a rank of 10.33 with Duncan is getting 8.11, a 2 full ranks ahead of him?

8 media voters for mvp left kobe off their ballot during his best season and all kobe fans have been banned countless times (me more than anyone) from the lebron fan run message boards. those ranking methods are completely one sided


the fan votes have kobe waaaay over shaq for everyone not associated with ISH and realgm and players all mostly have kobe over shaq and lebron all time

[SouBeachTalents]

I love how Kenny thinks casual fans voting on an ESPN poll are more legitimate than fans on message boards or writers for media outlets :lol He's literally advocating that the source most likely to have the least informed people involved is the one which should be given the most credence.

Not to mention the players poll he referenced had Iverson & KD tied for 5th all time lol.

[Shooter]

I love how Kenny thinks casual fans voting on an ESPN poll are more legitimate than fans on message boards or writers for media outlets :lol He's literally advocating that the source most likely to have the least informed people involved is the one which should be given the most credence.

Not to mention the players poll he referenced had Iverson & KD tied for 5th lol.

:lol

As John Taffer would say, 'SHUT IT DOWN!' :lol

[ShawkFactory]

8 media voters for mvp left kobe off their ballot during his best season and all kobe fans have been banned countless times (me more than anyone) from the lebron fan run message boards. those ranking methods are completely one sided


the fan votes have kobe waaaay over shaq for everyone not associated with ISH and realgm and players all mostly have kobe over shaq and lebron all time

Liking Kobe is not why you get banned :lol

[John_Connor]

I love how Kenny thinks casual fans voting on an ESPN poll are more legitimate than fans on message boards or writers for media outlets :lol He's literally advocating that the source most likely to have the least informed people involved is the one which should be given the most credence.

Not to mention the players poll he referenced had Iverson & KD tied for 5th all time lol.

the problem is casual fans are the only polls equally represented by fans in general. because on places like these (ish and realgm) kobe fans are all perma banned and the people mostly voting fir shaq over him and the same guys voting for almost anyone over kobe just to extend the distance between him and lebron so you void your legitimacy

name another kobe fan than me that posts here. seems odd doesn't it. I only had to make 500 accounts to keep posting my opinion on this site. I'm perma banned from realgm and they just assume any new kobe fan is me and they're blocked immediately

doesn't sound like much of a respectable venue for a variety of different opinions. anyone who goes against the narrative gets canceled. ISH and realgm were cancel culture before it became famous. you truly are the pioneers of incel libcucks

its no wonder most of you voted democrat

[John_Connor]

Liking Kobe is not why you get banned :lol

it is on realgm. but I used to get banned here all the time too just for basketball related discussions as well. obviously more is let go now on the basketball forum but all the kobe fans already left

[Shooter]

the problem is casual fans are the only polls equally represented by fans in general. because on places like these (ish and realgm) kobe fans are all perma banned and the people mostly voting fir shaq over him and the same guys voting fir almost anyone over kobe just to extend the distance between him and lebron so you void your legitimacy

name another kobe fan than me that posts here. seems odd doesn't it. I only had to make 500 accounts to keep posting my opinion on this site. I'm perma banned from realgm and they just assume any new kobe fan is me and they're blocked immediately

doesn't sound like much of a respectable venue for a variety of different opinions. anyone who goes against the narrative gets canceled. ISH and realgm were cancel culture before it became famous. you truly are rhe pioneers of incel libcucks

its no wonder most of you voted democrat

So Real GM, Hoops Hype, Insidehooops, CBS Sports, Bleacher Report, Complex, Backpicks, Lineups were all wrong. Got it....:lol

[Shooter]

it is on realgm. but I used to get banned here all the time too just for basketball related discussions as well. obviously more is let go now on the basketball forum but all the kobe fans already left

You get banned for being an uneducated, immature, racist prick. That's why.

[2much_knowledge]

So Real GM, Hoops Hype, Insidehooops, CBS Sports, Bleacher Report, Complex, Backpicks, Lineups were all wrong. Got it....:lol

Real gm is damn sure wrong tho

[SouBeachTalents]

the problem is casual fans are the only polls equally represented by fans in general. because on places like these (ish and realgm) kobe fans are all perma banned and the people mostly voting fir shaq over him and the same guys voting for almost anyone over kobe just to extend the distance between him and lebron so you void your legitimacy

name another kobe fan than me that posts here. seems odd doesn't it. I only had to make 500 accounts to keep posting my opinion on this site. I'm perma banned from realgm and they just assume any new kobe fan is me and they're blocked immediately

doesn't sound like much of a respectable venue for a variety of different opinions. anyone who goes against the narrative gets canceled. ISH and realgm were cancel culture before it became famous. you truly are the pioneers of incel libcucks

its no wonder most of you voted democrat
The more logical explanation is, Kobe is one of the 3 most popular players ever, so when polls are made for the general public, he's going to typically finish top 3 in votes due to his popularity. It's really no different than when a celebrity runs for office, they typically win not so much due to their credentials, but because they're the more popular and well known name.

[John_Connor]

So Real GM, Hoops Hype, Insidehooops, CBS Sports, Bleacher Report, Complex, Backpicks, Lineups were all wrong. Got it....:lol


kobe is one of the most polarizing players ever and is a top 2 or 3 name ever with the most fans worldwide and got the highest ratings after MJ and this place was actually a respectable message board with 10 times the amount of traffic during kobes time and he has the most respect among fans and players in general

but you actually believe that he wouldn't get enough votes for a top 10 list to at least be IN THE TOP 10 and is routinely ranked lower than everyone anyone can think of that has a comparable career or a little less

and you don't think it might have something to do with them being ran by lebron fans who all hate kobe with a passion and ban his fans left and right?

so you actually think the proper representation of kobe fans is on a place like realgm that has garnett and Karl malone being voted over him

[1987_Lakers]

Giannis, Curry and Durant all on pace to surpass Kobe.

[ShawkFactory]

it is on realgm. but I used to get banned here all the time too just for basketball related discussions as well. obviously more is let go now on the basketball forum but all the kobe fans already left

Being a troll who incessantly talks about one topic isn’t really allowed anywhere other than here.

Not as many people as you think are interested in talking about Kobe/Lebron all the time. When you bring that to a forum that doesn’t really Stan/hate on 3 guys as it’s identity then you’re probably going to be asked to leave. It’s not that weird

[John_Connor]

The more logical explanation is, Kobe is one of the 3 most popular players ever, so when polls are made for the general public, he's going to typically finish top 3 in votes due to his popularity. It's really no different than when a celebrity runs for office, they typically win not so much due to their credentials, but because they're the more popular and well known name.

that's my point though. if anything the most popular players would be also represented in message boards. but I'm the only Kobe fan that's posted here in 3 years since stalker4life left


why is that

[John_Connor]

Giannis, Curry and Durant all on pace to surpass Kobe.

in your own mind. if lebron can't even get the support by most fans and players then how would 3 guys who have way less fan support. at the end of the day all time rankings are just a collection of opinions by a majority group and completely subjective to the individual and their criteria

[Full Court]

Lol. OP is on a roll of retardation.

Um, Kobe has more rings and more FMVP than Giannis. And yes, it matters. I think Kobe gets overrated a lot, probably because people give him a posthumous sympathy bump, but Giannis hasn't caught him yet. He very likely will, but he has more to accomplish.

[Shooter]

in your own mind. if lebron can't even get the support by most fans and players then how would 3 guys who have way less fan support. at the end of the day all time rankings are just a collection of opinions by a majority group and completely subjective to the individual and their criteria

LeBron is either ranked #1 or #2 in literally every poll I mentioned. Kobe ranges in the 8 to 12 range. LeBron is in the 1-2 range.

It's

:dancin

Levelz

:hammertime:

2 this

:djparty

shit

:pimp:

[John_Connor]

LeBron is either ranked #1 or #2 in literally every poll I mentioned. Kobe ranges in the 8 to 12 range. LeBron is in the 1-2 range.

It's

:dancin

Levelz

:hammertime:

2 this

:djparty

shit

:pimp:

your polls have 15-20 voter sample sizes and none of the people involved have any credibility and most are nameless if not all for some


who voted?


message board posters

media

columnists

ok


so basement dwelling virgins on dying message boards with mostly alt accounts or some guy that never played sports that got a job as a writer and just happens to also like sports so he went for that subject instead of world news cause they weren't quite up to par

you're telling me a guy like nick wright wouldn't rather be a cnn anchor. fox sports 1 is his fall back. maybe 2% of educated writers that have the schooling and experience to get in that kind of industry spend most of their time watching sports. 98% are gay and hate sports. so its a field thats kind of easy to get into. its like some token field of work. none of us could do that kind of work cause we have no ability to write stories. nick probly got into it writing novels about witches or wizards or something. thats who you wanna base your opinion on? people like that who have a vote for a news outlet

[Baller789]

Hey don't everwhelm Westbrook_fan, err I mean Shooter with that much information.

[TheGoatest]

It's not 100% about longevity.
It's not 100% about the prime.

It's the combination of the two. Giannis first 3 seasons of being a role player, and not becoming an elite player until his 5th season disqualifies him from GOAThood, but it does give him the possibility of being in the Larry Bird-Tim Duncan-Shaq tier if he has a decent decline when he gets into his 30s.

[Shooter]

Uh oh guys?

[Full Court]

"The only thing..."

OP really is not intelligent at all. How many FMVPs does Giannis have? How many rings?

[Shooter]

"The only thing..."

OP really is not intelligent at all. How many FMVPs does Giannis have? How many rings?

Are we counting the Shaq rings too? :lol

How many DPOY and MVPs does Kobe have? Who is a better scorer and defender? Check mate bb boi

[Full Court]

Are we counting the Shaq rings too? :lol

How many DPOY and MVPs does Kobe have? Who is a better scorer and defender? Check mate bb boi

Lol. I have zero respect at all for the rapist, but any way you slice it, he still has double the FMVPs of Giannis. And I like Giannis a lot and fully expect him to handily pass up Kobe before his career is over.

However, you're an idiot, as is clear by your posting in this thread.

[Shooter]

Lol. I have zero respect at all for the rapist, but any way you slice it, he still has double the FMVPs of Giannis. And I like Giannis a lot and fully expect him to handily pass up Kobe before his career is over.

However, you're an idiot, as is clear by your posting in this thread.

So did you just duck every question of mine to conjure up a pathetic insult? Classic Full Tard take *sigh* I should've known better.

[Full Court]

So did you just duck every question of mine to conjure up a pathetic insult? Classic Full Tard take *sigh* I should've known better.

Nice try, moron. You start a thread that states "The only thing Kobe has over Giannis is longevity."

I completely destroyed that by pointing out that Kobe has DOUBLE the FMVPs. And you're the one who tries to deflect onto something else and ignore my argument - because obviously you've been destroyed once again in your own thread.

:lebroncry:

[Shooter]

Nice try, moron. You start a thread that states "The only thing Kobe has over Giannis is longevity."

I completely destroyed that by pointing out that Kobe has DOUBLE the FMVPs. And you're the one who tries to deflect onto something else and ignore my argument - because obviously you've been destroyed once again in your own thread.

:lebroncry:

Meltdown

How many DPOY and MVPs does Kobe have? Who is a better scorer and defender? Check mate bb boi

[Full Court]

Meltdown

How many DPOY and MVPs does Kobe have? Who is a better scorer and defender? Check mate bb boi

You still haven't even attempted to refute the FACT that destroyed your OP. You merely try to deflect by injecting a different argument. A clear indication that you lose the argument.

Check mate, Bronie Boy.

[8Ball]

Well, well, well...

:lol

Suddenly longevity matters!

Another narrative destroyed.

[Shooter]

Suddenly longevity matters!

Another narrative destroyed.

We gottem shook again 8ball :cheers:

Another day, another win.