Mainstream hoop analysts have such a shallow understanding of game - it's frustrating

[3ba11]

For example, Bill Simmons compared the upcoming Bucks/Celtics to the 09' ECF with Cavs/Magic - he said that Giannis can average 35+ and still lose, just like 09' Lebron.

The problem is that no one thought the 09' Magic would be any trouble for the Cavs and the Cavs' were massive favorites (-700), whereas the Bucks are underdogs in this series.

And Lebron's scoring was a bad chemistry and brand of ball in 2009, while Giannis has already learned a championship chemistry - so his high scoring is effective, winning basketball.

Night and day.. Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance has the worst teammate fits, chemistry and brand of ball in history, so he needs to team-hop (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy).. He never learned how to win (brand of ball, chemistry, organic).

[Kblaze8855]

It took 12 years for you to acknowledge Steph was good at basketball. Maybe cool it on the judgment of other peoples analysis. Everyone’s takes are just for entertainment in the end.

[Jasper]

bucks will be considered an after thought to main stream bball.
lmfao

[ArbitraryWater]

good analysis


W for mainstream hoop analysts

[8Ball]

Bill Simmons has LeBron and Jordan at #1 or near tied so he knows what he is saying.

He has millions of viewers and he is educating them about Bron's heroic achievements ala 2009 playoffs.

He is doing gods work.

[John_Connor]

mainstream hoop analysts got their jobs from writing short stories about wizards and romance. they're not even men

[John_Connor]

Bill Simmons has LeBron and Jordan at #1 or near tied so he knows what he is saying.

He has millions of viewers and he is educating them about Bron's heroic achievements ala 2009 playoffs.

He is doing gods work.

bill simmons went to school to learn how to structure a protagonist and story arch for live Broadway plays about men dressed as cats and failed. his fall back was writing sports columns

[AlternativeAcc.]

Bill Simmons usually has good takes but acting like this series isn't evenly matched is stupid. Bucks aren't a top heavy team so losing Middleton doesn't devastate them

Bad comparison

[Shooter]

It took 12 years for you to acknowledge Steph was good at basketball. Maybe cool it on the judgment of other peoples analysis. Everyone’s takes are just for entertainment in the end.

[Phoenix]

09 Mo.

[8Ball]

bill simmons went to school to learn how to structure a protagonist and story arch for live Broadway plays about men dressed as cats and failed. his fall back was writing sports columns

He got paid $200M for the ringer. He succeeded. His LeBron basketball opinions are mainstream. His opinions about Kobe are also mainstream.

[John_Connor]

He got paid $200M for the ringer. He succeeded. His LeBron basketball opinions are mainstream. His opinions about Kobe are also mainstream.

I literally had to Google the ringer the find out what you were talking about

for a second I thought you meant the movie

https://flxt.tmsimg.com/assets/p85315_p_v8_ac.jpg


but then I realized there's no way anyone made 200 million for that production


sorry I literally haven't seen anything bill simmons has done since he got fired from whatever network he was on 5 or 10 years ago

[3ba11]

He got paid $200M for the ringer. He succeeded. His LeBron basketball opinions are mainstream. His opinions about Kobe are also mainstream.


He doesn't know anything about basketball

He's just good at talking and conversing.. He's almost always ridiculously wrong and demonstrates a junior-high-level understanding of sports competition..

I think the reason that 200 million worth of people listen to him is because most people are like him - dumb af... game recognize game so im sure it works in reverse - idiots recognize idiots

[John_Connor]

He doesn't know anything about basketball

He's just good at talking and conversing.. He's almost always ridiculously wrong and demonstrates a junior-high-level understanding of sports competition.. I think the reason 200 million worth of people listen to him is because most people are like him - dumb af... game recognize game so im sure it works in reverse

what channel is he even on. I literally thought he just had a podcast now. I remember him leaving espn or something a decade ago and had a show but I only saw this one clip of him picking kobe over lebron and Bill cried



I only watch first take/undisputed/get up really

[3ba11]

what channel is he even on. I literally thought he just had a podcast now. I remember him leaving espn or something a decade ago and had a show but I only saw this one clip since


https://youtu.be/AAEiIdQwX50


I only watch first take/undisputed/get up really


The shows that you watch (Skip, Stephen A.) - they're sheer entertainment - they aren't trying to be accurate or insightful.. Otoh, Simmons tries to capture the "accurate and insightful" space and is infact a dumbass. . His video on the Bucks/Boston series popped up on my feed and I wasted a few minutes watching it

[John_Connor]

The shows that you watch (Skip, Stephen A.) - they're sheer entertainment -

yeah that's why I watch them. I don't need an analyst telling me what to think. I have eyes lol

[Baller789]

There is no real mainstream media basketball analysis going on.

It's just narratives, drama, trolling and shouting matches going on.

Much like WWE commentary. :banana:

[Mr. Woke]

For example, Bill Simmons compared the upcoming Bucks/Celtics to the 09' ECF with Cavs/Magic - he said that Giannis can average 35+ and still lose, just like 09' Lebron.

The problem is that no one thought the 09' Magic would be any trouble for the Cavs and the Cavs' were massive favorites (-700), whereas the Bucks are underdogs in this series.

And Lebron's scoring was a bad chemistry and brand of ball in 2009, while Giannis has already learned a championship chemistry - so his high scoring is effective, winning basketball.

Night and day.. Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance has the worst teammate fits, chemistry and brand of ball in history, so he needs to team-hop (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy).. He never learned how to win (brand of ball, chemistry, organic).

Giannis has more help around him than LeBron did in 2009. Giannis is also less versatile and more dependent on teammates than LeBron.

Your basketball analysis is dogshit.

[HylianNightmare]

For example, Bill Simmons compared the upcoming Bucks/Celtics to the 09' ECF with Cavs/Magic - he said that Giannis can average 35+ and still lose, just like 09' Lebron.

The problem is that no one thought the 09' Magic would be any trouble for the Cavs and the Cavs' were massive favorites (-700), whereas the Bucks are underdogs in this series.

And Lebron's scoring was a bad chemistry and brand of ball in 2009, while Giannis has already learned a championship chemistry - so his high scoring is effective, winning basketball.

Night and day.. Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance has the worst teammate fits, chemistry and brand of ball in history, so he needs to team-hop (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy).. He never learned how to win (brand of ball, chemistry, organic).

Real ones knew the cavs had horrible mat hips with orlando all season that year

[Phoenix]

He doesn't know anything about basketball

He's just good at talking and conversing.. He's almost always ridiculously wrong and demonstrates a junior-high-level understanding of sports competition..

I think the reason that 200 million worth of people listen to him is because most people are like him - dumb af... game recognize game so im sure it works in reverse - idiots recognize idiots

'Giannis is a Pippen level bum' *wins 2021 title/FMVP* 'Giannis is top 10'

'Curry is the most overrated player ever' *wins 2021 scoring title* ' Curry is top 10'

You lost any right to shit on anyone else's basketball opinions a long time ago.

[ShawkFactory]

For example, Bill Simmons compared the upcoming Bucks/Celtics to the 09' ECF with Cavs/Magic - he said that Giannis can average 35+ and still lose, just like 09' Lebron.

The problem is that no one thought the 09' Magic would be any trouble for the Cavs and the Cavs' were massive favorites (-700), whereas the Bucks are underdogs in this series.

And Lebron's scoring was a bad chemistry and brand of ball in 2009, while Giannis has already learned a championship chemistry - so his high scoring is effective, winning basketball.

Night and day.. Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance has the worst teammate fits, chemistry and brand of ball in history, so he needs to team-hop (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy).. He never learned how to win (brand of ball, chemistry, organic).

They won 66 games and were the #1 net rated team. #3 offense

[3ba11]

'Giannis is a Pippen level bum' *wins 2021 title/FMVP* 'Giannis is top 10'

'Curry is the most overrated player ever' *wins 2021 scoring title* ' Curry is top 10'

You lost any right to shit on anyone else's basketball opinions a long time ago.


I'm the only guy in the world that correctly has both in my top 10 - so I went from being wrong on both to being the only guy that's right on both...

I'm always on the cutting edge.. heck, I predicted all these series correctly in a thread about 3 months ago

[3ba11]

They won 66 games and were the #1 net rated team. #3 offense


Only a weak brand of ball can make favored talent underachieve

The Cavs were massive favorites (-700) but lost for the same reason Westbrook loses - westbrooking (bad brand, ball-dominance)

Stan Van Gundy literally said "we wanted him to dribble and get stats"

The story of Lebron's career is underachieving the talent expectation due to weak brand of ball.. He couldn't win a weak East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16').. Now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand)...

Weak brands make favored talent underachieve and Lebron's brand is literally the worst ever (worst teammate fits, chemistry and strategy, aka frontcourt ball-dominance)

[ShawkFactory]

Yea I'm confused how a team with a weak brand of ball can be the second best offense and win 66 games.

[3ba11]

Yea I'm confused how a team with a weak brand of ball can be the second best offense and win 66 games.


The playoffs always exposes the paper tiger brands - the 07' Mavs and 09' Cavs are among the biggest playoff failures and upsets ever - weak brand of ball and mentally-weak teams.

In hindsight, it's pretty dumb to think the stuff we thought back then - a simpleton brand that uses the big man as the ball-handler and has everyone else standing around - this brand was never going to realize expectation and almost never did.. It's a career of underachieving the expectation due to weak teammate fits, chemistry and strategy (aka weak brand of ball).

[ShawkFactory]

The playoffs always exposes the paper tiger brands

In hindsight, it's pretty dumb to think the stuff we thought back then - a simpleton brand that uses the big man as the ball-handler and has everyone else standing around - this brand was never going to realize expectation and almost never did.. It's a career of underachieving the expectation due to weak teammate fits, chemistry and strategy (aka weak brand of ball).

And bad matchups.

[3ba11]

And bad matchups.


The Magic were an injured team that was missing their all-star PG, so it was a fantastic matchup where the Magic had no chance

Imagine if the Bucks were missing Jrue or the Grizzlies missed Ja - they would have no chance against the #1 SRS league juggernaut - yet Lebron still lost - his westbrooking was a sufficiently horrible brand to still find a loss as a massive favorite.

[ShawkFactory]

The Magic were an injured team that was missing their all-star PG, so it was a fantastic matchup where the Magic had no chance

Imagine if the Bucks were missing Jrue or the Grizzlies missed Ja - they would have no chance against the #1 SRS league juggernaut - yet Lebron still lost - his westbrooking was a sufficiently horrible brand to still find a loss as a massive favorite.
It was a bad basketball matchup. The Magic backcourt with Lewis and Hedo were too big for Williams and Delonte and they obviously had no answer for Dwight.

[sdot_thadon]

Yeah op, kinda like thinking scoring is the only aspect of basketball that matters......how shallow

[sdot_thadon]

It was a bad basketball matchup. The Magic backcourt with Lewis and Hedo were too big for Williams and Delonte and they obviously had no answer for Dwight.

He already knows this, he's just a nimrod. The wings were too big for cavs wings. Lebron could only cover one, so they decided to cover neither and use Lebron as a free safety that got torched by the backup pgs willingness to shoot. Dwight was much too fast for Big Z and much to strong for Andy. And to top it all off the Magic had a hot shooting series from 3.

[3ba11]

It was a bad basketball matchup. The Magic backcourt with Lewis and Hedo were too big for Williams and Delonte and they obviously had no answer for Dwight.


Your bias and excuse-making is ridiculous

Hedo and Lewis were forwards that Lebron didn't defend - he opted to defend 6'2" Courtney Lewis and other guys but not his position (forward)

So it wasn't a bad matchup - Lebron just didn't defend the opposing forwards like he normally would

Ultimately, Lebron had 2 fringe all-stars (Mo, Zydrunas) that were supposed to ragdoll Dwight's 1 fringe all-star (Lewis) - they were massively favored to do so..

So it's crazy that you make excuses but that's how fraud works - Lebron is overrated because people like you say "it was a bad matchup" despite Lebron not guarding forwards and the Magic missing their Jrue Holiday.. It was literally a great matchup, which is why the Cavs were historic favorites

[999Guy]

He doesn't know anything about basketball

He's just good at talking and conversing.. He's almost always ridiculously wrong and demonstrates a junior-high-level understanding of sports competition..

I think the reason that 200 million worth of people listen to him is because most people are like him - dumb af... game recognize game so im sure it works in reverse - idiots recognize idiots

Yeah he isn’t at all capable of putting LeBron on the level of Detlef Schrempf or recognizing Kelly Oubre as an All-star talent,

[ShawkFactory]

Your bias and excuse-making is ridiculous

Hedo and Lewis were forwards that Lebron didn't defend - he opted to defend 6'2" Courtney Lewis and other guys but not his position (forward)

So it wasn't a bad matchup - Lebron just didn't defend the opposing forwards like he normally would

Ultimately, Lebron had 2 fringe all-stars (Mo, Zydrunas) that were supposed to ragdoll Dwight's 1 fringe all-star (Lewis) - they were massively favored to do so..

So it's crazy that you make excuses but that's how fraud works - Lebron is overrated because people like you say "it was a bad matchup" despite Lebron not guarding forwards and the Magic missing their Jrue Holiday

I mean...that was a coaching decision. Hedo and Lewis were forced into more playmaking roles with Nelson out and were primarily guarded by Delonte and Williams, who obviously couldn't handle it.

And they had absolutely no one who could handle Dwight.

Sometime things play out on the court differently than expected, and it's not always because someone shits the bed or plays a bad brand of ball.

[3ba11]

I mean...that was a coaching decision.


You would think at some point that Lebron would say:



"can I please guard my man Coach?

Just once...

Can I guard the opposing forward like I have all year?..

We've dominated all year and now something is off.. Let's go back to the way we dominated all year and the way that basketball has been played since it's invention... Let me guard the opposing forward Coach"


You think he could've said that after Game 1?... How about Game 2?.. Game 3?... Surely the critical Game 4 OT that Dwight dominated him in?..

Lebron never asked coach that because he was happy with the narrative that "I'm getting 38/8/8 and have no help"... He likes that narrative because he doesn't like to fight and wants easy street (super-teams).. If it isn't easy, then he will do something like that (not ask to guard his man, or simply cower like 11' Finals).

But the larger point is that the Cavs were favored without Jameer's injury, so it was considered a joke with him out - the Magic had no chance, so it was a fantastic matchup and expected to be an easy victory.. Only Lebron's westbrooking, defensive passivity, and clutch choking stopped an easy win

[ShawkFactory]

You would think at some point that Lebron would say:



"can I please guard my man Coach?

Just once...

Can I guard the opposing forward like I have all year?..

We've dominated all year and now something is off.. Let's go back to the way we dominated all year and the way that basketball has been played since it's invention... Let me guard the opposing forward Coach"


You think he could've said that after Game 1?... How about Game 2?.. Game 3?... Surely the critical Game 4 OT that Dwight dominated him in?..

Lebron never asked coach that because he was happy with the narrative that "I'm getting 38/8/8 and have no help"... He likes that narrative because he doesn't like to fight and wants easy street (super-teams).. If it isn't easy, then he will do something like that (not ask to guard his man, or simply cower like 11' Finals).

But the larger point is that the Cavs were favored without Jameer's injury, so it was considered a joke with him out - the Magic had no chance, so it was a fantastic matchup and expected to be an easy victory.. Only Lebron's westbrooking, defensive passivity, and clutch choking stopped an easy win

You have no idea what he did or didn't ask coach.

That COTY that you always bring up when discussing how stacked Lebron's early Cavs teams were.

[3ba11]

You have no idea what he did or didn't ask coach.

That COTY that you always bring up when discussing how stacked Lebron's early Cavs teams were.


We know that Lebron never asked because he never guarded them

Ultimately, his losses are given a bunch of excuses (really bad ones that confirm he's a fraud), while Westbrook gets blamed for westbrooking..

But Lebron is a westbrooker too and that's why his favored talent underachieved for his entire career.. no one has a history of underacheving the expectation like Lebron - his skillset is the most suboptimal brand ever and it's intuitive (big man ball-dominance)... No wonder he needs more help regardless of cast

[Phoenix]

I'm the only guy in the world that correctly has both in my top 10 - so I went from being wrong on both to being the only guy that's right on both...

I'm always on the cutting edge.. heck, I predicted all these series correctly in a thread about 3 months ago

No, you're an idiot who went from being wrong with one opinion to being wrong with the other, although saying Steph is a top 10 player is at least less idiotic than saying he's the most overrated ( I think he's credibly at worst top 12-15. A ring and FMVP this year could make it VERY interesting).