great game by Giannis but this is an obvious travel

[John_Connor]

https://youtu.be/qiQIf6ShulQ


picks up pivot foot and takes another step. gotta go up with both feet at the same time

[tpols]

It reminded me of that thread kblaze made "would this be allowed in your backyard?". He literally picked up his dribble, pump faked and started running again. Its just a joke at this point.

[FultzNationRISE]

Im actually not at all convinced that was an intentional pass and not an errant shot :lol

[John_Connor]

Im actually not at all convinced that was an intentional pass and not an errant shot :lol

didn't even notice that till now. usually guys do an under handed toss. he shot it

[John_Connor]

What’s your address

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[FultzNationRISE]

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Hit my cash app $TASTEROFPUPPETS and I got you wit mad Blades of Freedom dawg.

[HylianNightmare]

It's 2022 let it go

[John_Connor]

It's 2022 let it go

who is this directed towards. I like giannis. let go of the idea that travels should be called?

[BarberSchool]

https://youtu.be/qiQIf6ShulQ


picks up pivot foot and takes another step. gotta go up with both feet at the same time
Every single commentator, Anchor, or TV personality who doesn’t, at the very least, question whether or not Giannis got away with a travel, is a dishonest liar by omission.

It’s grotesque, how many obvious travels are let slide by officials, it seems as if the NBA has an unspoken rule to not embarrass their superstars by calling obvious travels:


https://youtube.com/shorts/xp10vJbL0iE?feature=share

[BarberSchool]

It's 2022 let it go

Fu@k you talking about ?

We should allow and enjoy obvious travels by superstars from 2022 forward ?

[Bronbron23]

https://youtu.be/qiQIf6ShulQ


picks up pivot foot and takes another step. gotta go up with both feet at the same time

It was but relative to travels calls in this era it wasn't that bad.

[BarberSchool]

It was but relative to travels calls in this era it wasn't that bad.Please share worse ones, cause this Sh!t is MF atrocious by any sane standard. If they don’t call that Sh!t a travel, Giannis finna do it every possession and average 56ppg against teams without huge centers.

[FKAri]

picks up pivot foot and takes another step. gotta go up with both feet at the same time
No you do not. That's not a travel. Not in 2022. Not in 1982. Throwing it off the backboard, on the other hand is a separate issue.

[WhiteKyrie]

Giannis is always traveling

[John_Connor]

No you do not. That's not a travel. Not in 2022. Not in 1982. Throwing it off the backboard, on the other hand is a separate issue.

I think I know why you're defending him


https://youtu.be/CZA2WVOW2Pc

[BarberSchool]

No you do not. That's not a travel. Not in 2022. Not in 1982. Throwing it off the backboard, on the other hand is a separate issue.
Tell us you never played D-1 college, AAU, or even high school JV basketball, without telling us you never played D-1 college, AAU, or even high school JV basketball.

[Full Court]

I didn't notice it at the time, but yeah, that was a travel.

[FKAri]

Tell us you never played D-1 college, AAU, or even high school JV basketball, without telling us you never played D-1 college, AAU, or even high school JV basketball.
I won't clown you for not knowing. Lots of people aren't aware of the rules regarding traveling. Here's Kevin Garnett embarrassing himself:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs_5ip5kutg





But it is indeed not a travel. You can find plenty of info on it online:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUgRw8JeSwk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhe9sIVmGaQ

It's for the best if you just get it from the horse's mouth. i.e. a ref that's beyond the high school level or an intramural league. AAU refs are retarded.

[highwhey]

if gianna was officiated on par with other players, he wouldn't sniff the conference finals/

[John_Connor]

I won't clown you for not knowing. Lots of people aren't aware of the rules regarding traveling. Here's Kevin Garnett embarrassing himself:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs_5ip5kutg





But it is indeed not a travel. You can find plenty of info on it online:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUgRw8JeSwk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhe9sIVmGaQ

It's for the best if you just get it from the horse's mouth. i.e. a ref that's beyond the high school level or an intramural league. AAU refs are retarded.


the only change to traveling rules was the 1.5 step to 2 step then to a 2 count when gathering. the pivot rules are still the same

[FKAri]

the only change to traveling rules was the 1.5 step to 2 step then to a 2 count when gathering. the pivot rules are still the same

You're right. There's no change. This has never been a travel. At least going back to the 80s. You could always lift your pivot foot on a shot attempt. Of course this is ISH so no one's going to come in here and admit that they're wrong about anything. Least of all you.

[FultzNationRISE]

You're right. There's no change. This has never been a travel. At least going back to the 80s. You could always lift your pivot foot on a shot attempt. Of course this is ISH so no one's going to come in here and admit that they're wrong about anything. Least of all you.

Pause it when he picks up his dribble. He's in the process of taking a step with his right foot. So that's his free step.

Then he plants his left foot. That's now his pivot foot. He can jump off that foot and shoot or pass but he can't take another step.

He then pivots on his right foot instead and takes a big step into the lane with his left foot.

So... I think that's a travel. :lol

Admittedly in real time I thought it looked a bit awkward but I wasn't sure he traveled.

Watching the slowed down replay... I'm pretty sure.

[FKAri]

Pause it when he picks up his dribble. He's in the process of taking a step with his right foot. So that's his free step.

Then he plants his left foot. That's now his pivot foot. He can jump off that foot and shoot or pass but he can't take another step.

He then pivots on his right foot instead and takes a big step into the lane with his left foot.

So... I think that's a travel.

Admittedly in real time I thought it looked a bit awkward but I wasn't sure he traveled.

Watching the slowed down replay... I'm pretty sure.

It's hard to see clearly when exactly he picks up his dribble. And trickery around this is, especially for guys with big hands is the basis for a lot of moves. But I believe he gathered(or at least intended to) after putting his right foot down. If he messed that up then it's a travel. But if his pivot foot is his right foot then he does not travel.

[FultzNationRISE]

It's hard to see clearly when exactly he picks up his dribble. And trickery around this is, especially for guys with big hands is the basis for a lot of moves. But I believe he gathered(or at least intended to) after putting his right foot down. If he messed that up then it's a travel. But if his pivot foot is his right foot then he does not travel.

Yeah, it's super bang bang but you can hear the slap of the ball with his free hand when he picks up his dribble and if you pause at that moment his right foot is still off the ground, making its landing his first step.

But it is very hard to catch these things in real time every time, and I wasn't sure he traveled when I saw the play live.

Part of me was assuming he did just cause it's Giannis, but I also wasnt sure and since the refs didnt call it I just figured it was probably clean.

[John_Connor]

It's hard to see clearly when exactly he picks up his dribble. And trickery around this is, especially for guys with big hands is the basis for a lot of moves. But I believe he gathered(or at least intended to) after putting his right foot down. If he messed that up then it's a travel. But if his pivot foot is his right foot then he does not travel.

when you pick up your dribble and start pivoting you can't pick up your pivot foot unless you're jumping to shoot or pass. but he takes a step with his other foot and lifts his pivot foot with his other foot still on the floor. travel

[tontoz]

I agree that was a travel but I see guys get away with that all the time. Usually they aren't so blatant about it.:oldlol:

[fsvr54]

if gianna was officiated on par with other players, he wouldn't sniff the conference finals/

Facts

[John_Connor]

https://youtu.be/feYQ3HX1joY

commentary by yours truly for the idiot in the room

[Shogon]

https://youtu.be/feYQ3HX1joY

commentary by yours truly for the idiot in the room

First of all, Giannis traveled because he shuffled his pivot foot once and then drug it across the ground a second time. So he traveled twice on the play, but for reasons unrelated to your complaint.

He didn't travel for the reason you think he did. Your complaint about what did was legal. He did not establish a new pivot foot, which is what you seem to be insinuating that he did. That's not correct and that's not what happened.

Your complaint about him taking his pivot foot off the ground would then mean that everyone who has ever taken a jumpshot ever after establishing a pivot foot... traveled. Which obviously is not true. There is no rule that says that both feet have to leave the ground at the same time on a shot attempt after establishing a pivot foot, which is what it seems to be that you are misunderstanding.

[WhiteKyrie]

Giannis always gets away with blatant obvious travels. His whole game is predicated on it. That’s why he’s trash in FIBA

[Shogon]

Oh and he also did a self pass off the glass which would technically make it a third instance of traveling, none of which had anything to do with your complaint.


I've never seen a self pass off the glass counted as a travel though and that's been happening for decades... though it should be.

[John_Connor]

First of all, Giannis traveled because he shuffled his pivot foot once and then drug it across the ground a second time. So he traveled twice on the play, but for reasons unrelated to your complaint.

He didn't travel for the reason you think he did. Your complaint about what did was legal. He did not establish a new pivot foot, which is what you seem to be insinuating that he did. That's not correct and that's not what happened.

Your complaint about him taking his pivot foot off the ground would then mean that everyone who has ever taken a jumpshot ever after establishing a pivot foot... traveled. Which obviously is not true. There is no rule that says that both feet have to leave the ground at the same time on a shot attempt after establishing a pivot foot, which is what it seems to be that you are misunderstanding.

yeah I noticed the shuffle while watching the super slow motion but that would catch a travel on almost every pivot maneuver at that speed

that's not really the blatant call that was missed


and no because a gather is different and most jump shots have the pivot foot lifted with the other foot at the same time anyway. it's different travel rules depending on if you're establishing a pivot foot than if you're picking up your dribble for a gather shot/runner/dunk. then it's a 2 count


when you start pivoting around and back and forth you have to go up with that pivot foot on your jump

[John_Connor]

Oh and he also did a self pass off the glass which would technically make it a third instance of traveling, none of which had anything to do with your complaint.


I've never seen a self pass off the glass counted as a travel though and that's been happening for decades... though it should be.

you're so f*cking stupid. a pass to yourself off the backboard counts as a missed shot and a rebound. if that was illegal then you couldn't get offensive rebounds off your own misses lol

[Shogon]

you're so f*cking stupid. a pass to yourself off the backboard counts as a missed shot and a rebound. tmif that was illegal then you couldn't get offensive rebounds off your own misses lol

Yes I know what it counts as it but shouldn't.

Here's Iguodala doing the exact same move you're complaining about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czZXBcHTuVM

[Shogon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoDqJ4LCgdE

[John_Connor]

Yes I know what it counts as it but shouldn't.

Here's Iguodala doing the exact same move you're complaining about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czZXBcHTuVM

no iggy goes up as he lifts his pivot foot. that's not the same thing at all. he does a 2 foot gather/take off legally. giannis does an extra step 1 foot take off with the non pivot foot. if he does lift his pivot foot slightly in the last second before the other within a fraction of a millisecond then that can be let go. but giannis takes a full on extra step

[Shogon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW8Da32ntLQ

[Shogon]

no iggy goes up as he lifts his pivot foot. that's not the same thing at all. he does a 2 foot gather/take off legally. giannis does an extra step 1 foot take off with the non pivot foot. if he does lift his pivot foot slightly in the last second before the other within a fraction of a millisecond then that can be let go. but giannis takes a full on extra step

There's no rule that says both feet have to leave the ground at the same time.

[John_Connor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW8Da32ntLQ

that's a little closer to giannis's move but he doesn't jump so it's harder to catch the travel. I think it was but I can see why the refs didn't catch it

[Shogon]

no iggy goes up as he lifts his pivot foot. that's not the same thing at all. he does a 2 foot gather/take off legally. giannis does an extra step 1 foot take off with the non pivot foot. if he does lift his pivot foot slightly in the last second before the other within a fraction of a millisecond then that can be let go. but giannis takes a full on extra step

https://i.postimg.cc/FsGRBthn/foot.png

[John_Connor]

There's no rule that says both feet have to leave the ground at the same time.

https://i.ibb.co/KW7tp4X/Screenshot-20220501-211253-Google.jpg

[John_Connor]

https://i.postimg.cc/FsGRBthn/foot.png

then it's a travel. like I said it's hard to catch

[Shogon]

https://i.ibb.co/KW7tp4X/Screenshot-20220501-211253-Google.jpg

Like I said, he dragged his pivot foot, which made it a travel.

But Giannis is not violating the very thing you are quoting. It just looks bad. He does not pivot with his non pivot foot nor does he take another step with his non pivot foot after his pivot foot has left the ground. They are both on the ground at the same time. The pivot foot just leaves the ground first. I mean, he's dragging his pivot foot, and for that reason it's a travel. But not the reason you're saying.

[John_Connor]

Like I said, he dragged his pivot foot, which made it a travel.

But Giannis is not violating the very thing you are quoting. It just looks bad. He does not pivot with his non pivot foot nor does he take another step with his non pivot foot after his pivot foot has left the ground. They are both on the ground at the same time. I mean, he's dragging his pivot foot, and for that reason it's a travel. But not the reason you're saying.

and I agreed that shuffling/dragging your pivot foot is also a travel but it could only be seen with super slow motion like the iggy travel and those can be let go cause they're so small of an infraction and no ref can catch them in real time but the giannis picking up his pivot foot for a long extra stride was a blatant call


he is violating the rules. you can't have another step after picking up your pivot foot. it's almost the same rules as a hop step for going up with the ball

[Shogon]

and I agreed that shuffling/dragging your pivot foot is also a travel but it could only be seen with super slow motion like the iggy travel and those can be let go cause they're so small of an infraction and no ref can catch them in real time but the giannis picking up his pivot foot for a long extra stride was a blatant call


he is violating the rules. you can't have another step after picking up your pivot foot. it's almost the same rules as a hop step for going up with the ball

Look, in spirit, I agree with you, but in reality he did not break the rules.

[John_Connor]

https://www.rookieroad.com/basketball/101/pivoting/

https://i.ibb.co/yFz6d0Y/Screenshot-20220501-212303-Gallery.jpg

you can only pivot, shoot or pass after picking up your dribble. you can't take another step

[John_Connor]

Look, in spirit, I agree with you, but in reality he did not break the rules.


in spirit you're a moron lol. you never played in a league. I was a referee

[outofstomach]

i did this in pickup today pretty much and got called for a walk :lol ive seen it argued as a travel and not a travel so many times that i don’t even know anymore at this point

[1987_Lakers]

Better than Kobe

[John_Connor]

Better than Kobe

what do you do for a living

[Westbrook_Fan]

what do you do for a living

what do you do for a living

[John_Connor]

what do you do for a living

nothing.. see its easy

[WhiteKyrie]

Better than Kobe

At traveling? Sure. At basketball? Hell no.

[FKAri]

in spirit you're a moron lol. you never played in a league. I was a referee

lmao. Was this the same league as SamuraiSwish? If you were a ref in a league I'd hope you'd understand how the lifting of the pivot foot in this instance is NOT a travel. But everyone on this site knows you're a pathological liar.

[John_Connor]

lmao. Was this the same league as SamuraiSwish? If you were a ref in a league I'd hope you'd understand how the lifting of the pivot foot in this instance is NOT a travel. But everyone on this site knows you're a pathological liar.

see post #46 ITT

[HylianNightmare]

Fu@k you talking about ?

We should allow and enjoy obvious travels by superstars from 2022 forward ?

its cool now, everyone carries, the double stepbacks. Soon it will be a gather then 4 steps after

[999Guy]

Lol Giannis is just dreadful to watch.

The real unwritten rule about travels, fouls, any call in general is if it’s ugly, it’s illegal. Which makes me shocked this didn’t get called.

Cause it was as grotesque to watch as any travel, and that usually naturally triggers refs.

The reason carries don’t get called is because players make it look good.

[FKAri]

see post #46 ITT

I'll side with Joey Crawford who literally explains it in the video I posted over a random website with no credibility.

[Mr. Woke]

Giannis is a great player.

However, I will always have more respect for guys like LeBron and KD because they took control of their own careers (by leaving the teams that drafted them because the front offices of those teams weren't cutting it); they are more pragmatic regarding their careers and less idealistic (hoping that all the stars align perfectly for you to win a championship is not a viable long-term strategy); they are more real and genuine than someone like Giannis who tries too hard to get the fans and media to like him (fans are generally fickle; trying desperately to earn their approval is weak sauce); and they are less complacent than Giannis (who got very lucky that all the stars aligned perfectly for him to win a title in Milwaukee).

At the end of the day, I personally prefer ballers who are more willing to speak their minds and speak truth to power (not to mention, take control of their careers and be less reliant on luck and pencil pushers in the front office).

[John_Connor]

I'll side with Joey Crawford who literally explains it in the video I posted over a random website with no credibility.

well according to the rule book they're wrong. after picking up your pivot foot it must be for a shot or a pass. it's in the rule book. nowhere does it say you can take another step. it's in the official rules and that's why it's called for a travel at times. some refs just miss it like they miss every other kind of travel


to use an nba referee as your proof of how to ref the game isn't valid because the nba has the worst refs of all time. if you ever watch FIBA international games the travel calls are tightened up. when a guy does that move and isn't called for it and the refs agree it's not a travel then il just admit that there's a new rule that is unwritten when it comes to traveling that's just generally accepted the same way palming violations are extinct


one things for sure. 90% of what guys do today was illegal 30-40 years ago. there might as well not even be a dribble. guys should just carry it like a football. giannis literally traveled 3 times on that one play. it's useless to even debate the rules at this point. all I go by is the letter of the law and it says pass or shoot. not step

[Shogon]

well according to the rule book they're wrong. after picking up your pivot foot it must be for a shot or a pass. it's in the rule book. nowhere does it say you can take another step with your non pivot foot while lifting it. it's in the official rules and that's why it's called for a travel at times. some refs just miss it like they miss every other kind of travel


to use an nba referee as your proof of how to ref the game isn't valid because the nba has the worst refs of all time. if you ever watch FIBA international games the travel calls are tightened up. when a guy does that move and isn't called for it and the refs agree it's not a travel then il just admit that there's a new rule that is unwritten when it comes to traveling that's just generally accepted the same way palming violations are extinct


one things for sure. 90% of what guys do today was illegal 30-40 years ago. there might as well not even be a dribble. guys should just carry it like a football. giannis literally traveled 3 times on that one play. it's useless to even debate the rules at this point. all I go by is the letter of the law and it says pass or shoot. not step

He didn't take another step moron. He used his non pivot foot to launch off the ground.

Fact - His pivot foot leaves the ground while the other foot already has contact with the ground.
Fact - His second foot that was already on the ground BEFORE the pivot foot left the ground gets used to push himself towards the basket.
Fact - No where in the rule book does it say that both feet must leave the ground at the same time if the pivot foot leaves the ground. It simply states that neither foot may then touch the ground again without releasing a shot.

This is where it gets murky. The people who originally wrote the rules probably never intended what Giannis is doing to happen... but it's been happening for decades and the NBA hasn't deemed it fit to change it.

This is where the "in spirit" I agree with you comes into play, but you are just a hardheaded mouthbreathing moron that refuses to listen to reason.

[John_Connor]

He didn't take another step moron. He used his non pivot foot to launch off the ground.

Fact - His pivot foot leaves the ground while the other foot already has contact with the ground.
Fact - His second foot that was already on the ground BEFORE the pivot foot left the ground gets used to push himself towards the basket.
Fact - No where in the rule book does it say that both feet must leave the ground at the same time if the pivot foot leaves the ground.

This is where the "in spirit" I agree with you comes into play, but you are just a hardheaded mouthbreathing moron that refuses to listen to reason.

the reason it's illegal is the same reason a hop step must lead to a 2 foot take off. in order to get into that position you use your 2 steps on the hop. to get into a pivot you're utilizing both steps. so you must go straight up with both or else it's a travel when you only lift one. that goes over the maximum allowable steps

[1987_Lakers]

I'll side with Joey Crawford who literally explains it in the video I posted over a random website with no credibility.

:roll:

[John_Connor]

:roll:

so you also think nba referees are examples of who to trust on traveling rules


a league that never calls traveling. maybe once a game on a big man for lifting his pivot foot behind the three point line before putting the ball on the floor even though every perimeter player does it


that's like listening to magic Johnson on how to practice safe sex

[Wally450]

Kevin McHale used to always pick up his pivot foot and take a quick extra step. I believe you're allowed to do that as long as you're quickly going up for a shot or a pass.

[John_Connor]

Kevin McHale used to always pick up his pivot foot and take a quick extra step. I believe you're allowed to do that as long as you're quickly going up for a shot or a pass.

if you're slightly uneven when going up it's let slide or should be but when you take a full on hop and long stride it's a blatant travel like the guys in the Joey Crawford video ITT


the guy literally jumps to his non pivot foot and Joey's like "that's good"

:lol

[AznBBoyX]

This is a legal move.
"Rule 10 sec 13 (d): "If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor..."

Discussed here:

https://twitter.com/officialnbarefs/status/1121169933361188867

Also plenty of examples here:

https://www.instagram.com/stepthroughjoe/?hl=en

I used to think this is was a travel too. I was pretty sure as a kid that you pivot foot has to leave last during a shot but I tried searching for it and the rules never changed.

[John_Connor]

This is a legal move.
"Rule 10 sec 13 (d): "If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor..."

Discussed here:

https://twitter.com/officialnbarefs/status/1121169933361188867

Also plenty of examples here:

https://www.instagram.com/stepthroughjoe/?hl=en

I used to think this is was a travel too. I was pretty sure as a kid that you pivot foot has to leave last during a shot but I tried searching for it and the rules never changed.

that's my point. he doesn't pass or shoot. he takes another step. so you're saying you can just lift your pivot foot and balance on one leg for 5 seconds then shoot or pass. of course not

[AznBBoyX]

His lob at the backboard counts as a shot. This is why all backboard lob self alleyoops are not counted as self passes, which would be a travel.

[FKAri]

well according to the rule book they're wrong. after picking up your pivot foot it must be for a shot or a pass. it's in the rule book. nowhere does it say you can take another step.
He didn't take an extra step. The critical part is that he lifted his pivot foot(and didn't put it back down) while his other foot was already on the ground. This has nothing to do with modern basketball officiating.


His lob at the backboard counts as a shot. This is why all backboard lob self alleyoops are not counted as self passes, which would be a travel.
That's a tricky one though because it's called differently at different levels. And if it counts as a shot then why is it illegal to do on a free throw? Always seemed odd to me.