KD is much easier to stop than MJ

[3ba11]

I just wanted to say that now that it's confirmed by KD's performance.

It's crazy how it takes something like KD's performance or the 11' Finals for people to concede that these guys aren't on the GOAT's level... People need it to be that obvious..

But perhaps that's a function of how easy MJ made everything look - it isn't always obvious that he's goat to the nascent eye

[8Ball]

Bron is a greater scorer than Jordan.

I proved this already.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

The only guy close to MJ on offense is a healthy kawhi

[SATAN]

Remember when 3ball was shook that Luka might be another threat to his hero's legacy?

[3ba11]

Bron is a greater scorer than Jordan.

I proved this already.


You proved it eh?.... :yaohappy:

You got more heart than a lot of these other posters.. I'll give you that

The problem with Lebron is that his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams so he needs juggernaut scoring help including all-time elite scorers at sidekick and even 3rd option.. His also lacks the elite jumpshooting skill needed to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), which also requirrs the aforementioned juggernaut scoring help.

More importantly, his skillset of big man ball-dominance is a coach's nightmare.. the game must devolve into this beginner format with him dominating the ball and 4 shooters standing around him - it's a low team assist brand with bad teammate fits & chemistry - a paper tiger strategy (big man ball-dominance) that requires ridiculous talent to win.

So as bad as Durant is, Lebron is much worse scoring style for team offense..He can't produce off-screens and turns a normally high-assisted position (F) into a low-assisted one (PG), thereby lowering the assist capacity of the team..

[WhiteKyrie]

Easily. This playoff’s was proof. KD can’t explode or separate off the dribble or out of the triple threat like Mike. And that’s not even taking into account KD carries when he dribbles regularly and massively carries it when he crosses over.

He also is a twig with narrow shoulders. So once physicality is allowed, much like it is in the playoffs, he can’t shed physical defenders. And that’s playing in a league where you can’t even touch perimeter players now. Much less the hand checking and physicality of Jordan’s day in the late 80s through early 00s.

And he definitely can’t get to the rim and finish with leaping ability via finesse or power or craftiness like Mike.

KD is amazing. And a fantastically skilled scorer and shooter. Particularly at his length and size and his big goofy floppy ass feet. But he’s not a better scorer than even Kobe, let alone MJ.

Tatum ate his lunch this post season on both sides of the ball.

KD couldn’t get past him. Couldn’t shed him to get to the rim. Was forced to take pull up jumpers with a guy finally roughly his length and size, and he became a shell of himself. Mike or Kobe would’ve abused Tatum with quickness off the dribble or triple threat. KD settled for contested jumpers. Giving them more dimension and point of attack to their offensive scoring arsenal.

Hell, I’ve seen little CP3 on ball defense lock up KD before in the playoffs. A little physicality and he’s done.

At least LeBron or Bird or Luka as an offensive player in a similar predicament had the dimension of being able to kill a defense like this years Celtics team with passing skill and playmaking.

[TheGoatest]

OP is actually partially correct in this case:

A .415 in the finals shooting jordon, with the greatest rebounder in the history of the league to clean up jordon's brickage throughout the finals (especially cleaning up jordon's 5-19 shooting with 11 offensive rebounds in the championship clinching game 6) is actually harder to stop than KD without the greatest rebounder in the history of the league.

But a jordon without having the greatest rebounder of all time to clean up his brickage being harder to stop than KD? Not so much. Such a jordon lost to a team that went on to get swept in the finals.

[Manny98]

33 year old KD coming off a torn Achilles is your proof?

lol

[8Ball]

You proved it eh?.... :yaohappy:

You got more heart than a lot of these other posters.. I'll give you that

The problem with Lebron is that his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams so he needs juggernaut scoring help including all-time elite scorers at sidekick and even 3rd option.. His also lacks the elite jumpshooting skill needed to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), which also requirrs the aforementioned juggernaut scoring help.

More importantly, his skillset of big man ball-dominance is a coach's nightmare.. the game must devolve into this beginner format with him dominating the ball and 4 shooters standing around him - it's a low team assist brand with bad teammate fits & chemistry - a paper tiger strategy (big man ball-dominance) that requires ridiculous talent to win.

So as bad as Durant is, Lebron is much worse scoring style for team offense..He can't produce off-screens and turns a normally high-assisted position (F) into a low-assisted one (PG), thereby lowering the assist capacity of the team..

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501961-LeBron-James-is-the-GREATEST-Scorer-of-ALL-TIME


Refer to this thread for proof.


Nobody was able to refute me.


Not Jordan. Not Kareem. LeBron holds the official title of having scored the most points in NBA history on the NBA basketball court.


Jordan could not achieve this record.
Kareem held this record for 30 years until it was just broken by the greatest player / scorer of all time.


To surpass LeBron, the next human would have to:

Average 27ppg for 19 straight years averaging 71 games a season.
+
Average 27ppg for 19 straight playoffs with an average games played of 15 games per playoffs.

Impossible. Unbreakable.

[tontoz]

The only guy close to MJ on offense is a healthy kawhi


A healthy Kawhi? That is kind of like jumbo shrimp.

[tpols]

Easily. This playoff’s was proof. KD can’t explode or separate off the dribble or out of the triple threat like Mike. And that’s not even taking into account KD carries when he dribbles regularly and massively carries it when he crosses over.

He also is a twig with narrow shoulders. So once physicality is allowed, much like it is in the playoffs, he can’t shed physical defenders. And that’s playing in a league where you can’t even touch perimeter players now. Much less the hand checking and physicality of Jordan’s day in the late 80s through early 00s.

And he definitely can’t get to the rim and finish with leaping ability via finesse or power or craftiness like Mike.

KD is amazing. And a fantastically skilled scorer and shooter. Particularly at his length and size and his big goofy floppy ass feet. But he’s not a better scorer than even Kobe, let alone MJ.

Tatum ate his lunch this post season on both sides of the ball.

KD couldn’t get past him. Couldn’t shed him to get to the rim. Was forced to take pull up jumpers with a guy finally roughly his length and size, and he became a shell of himself. Mike or Kobe would’ve abused Tatum with quickness off the dribble or triple threat. KD settled for contested jumpers. Giving them more dimension and point of attack to their offensive scoring arsenal.

Hell, I’ve seen little CP3 on ball defense lock up KD before in the playoffs. A little physicality and he’s done.

At least LeBron or Bird or Luka as an offensive player in a similar predicament had the dimension of being able to kill a defense like this years Celtics team with passing skill and playmaking.


Durant faced prime Tatum last year and totally destroyed him. 33/7/3 on 56/50/91 shooting. Sometimes a guy will have a bad series but to think Tatum is some magical kryptonite to KD has already been proven false.

[Wally450]

The only guy close to MJ on offense is a healthy kawhi

Healthy Kawhi is a myth. That's why he only plays 50 game a year.

[ClipperRevival]

Durant faced prime Tatum last year and totally destroyed him. 33/7/3 on 56/50/91 shooting. Sometimes a guy will have a bad series but to think Tatum is some magical kryptonite to KD has already been proven false.

Maybe 2022 was KD's version of 2011 LeBron. I think most people will let a guy slide if they tried their arse off and lost but it's the body language and lack of interest which gives it such a bad look. 2011 LeBron and 2022 KD are similar in that regard.

If he bounces back strong the next couple of years in the playoffs, people will be less harsh but 2022 happened and it's a terrible look on his legacy.

[Westbrook_Fan]

Maybe 2022 was KD's version of 2011 LeBron. I think most people will let a guy slide if they tried their arse off and lost but it's the body language and lack of interest which gives it such a bad look. 2011 LeBron and 2022 KD are similar on that regard.

If he bounces back strong the next couple of years in the playoffs, people will be less harsh but 2022 happened and it's a terrible look on his legacy.

What about 1995 Jordan aka the GOAT choke?

[ClipperRevival]

What about 1995 Jordan aka the GOAT choke?

Hey, how is LeGOAT doing in the playoffs?

https://c.tenor.com/mx9fNn1S4PwAAAAS/spit-take.gif

[ClipperRevival]

Easily. This playoff’s was proof. KD can’t explode or separate off the dribble or out of the triple threat like Mike. And that’s not even taking into account KD carries when he dribbles regularly and massively carries it when he crosses over.

He also is a twig with narrow shoulders. So once physicality is allowed, much like it is in the playoffs, he can’t shed physical defenders. And that’s playing in a league where you can’t even touch perimeter players now. Much less the hand checking and physicality of Jordan’s day in the late 80s through early 00s.

And he definitely can’t get to the rim and finish with leaping ability via finesse or power or craftiness like Mike.

KD is amazing. And a fantastically skilled scorer and shooter. Particularly at his length and size and his big goofy floppy ass feet. But he’s not a better scorer than even Kobe, let alone MJ.

Tatum ate his lunch this post season on both sides of the ball.

KD couldn’t get past him. Couldn’t shed him to get to the rim. Was forced to take pull up jumpers with a guy finally roughly his length and size, and he became a shell of himself. Mike or Kobe would’ve abused Tatum with quickness off the dribble or triple threat. KD settled for contested jumpers. Giving them more dimension and point of attack to their offensive scoring arsenal.

Hell, I’ve seen little CP3 on ball defense lock up KD before in the playoffs. A little physicality and he’s done.

At least LeBron or Bird or Luka as an offensive player in a similar predicament had the dimension of being able to kill a defense like this years Celtics team with passing skill and playmaking.

:applause:

Well said.

[ClipperRevival]

I just wanted to say that now that it's confirmed by KD's performance.

It's crazy how it takes something like KD's performance or the 11' Finals for people to concede that these guys aren't on the GOAT's level... People need it to be that obvious..

But perhaps that's a function of how easy MJ made everything look - it isn't always obvious that he's goat to the nascent eye

People who understand the game know MJ was literally the perfect bball player with no weaknesses. These aren't takes from Ryan Hollins, Colin Cowherd or Nick Wright. :yaohappy: Real ballers talking.


https://youtu.be/4GZCjhl5tv8


https://youtu.be/2HMaoKYuA8U

[Westbrook_Fan]

People who understand the game know MJ was literally the perfect bball player with no weaknesses. These aren't takes from Ryan Hollins, Colin Cowherd or Nick Wright. :yaohappy: Real ballers talking.


https://youtu.be/4GZCjhl5tv8


https://youtu.be/2HMaoKYuA8U

Couldnt shoot 3's

Went 1-9

Missed playoffs in 14th and 15th season

Average rebounder, playmaker, defender


Perfect player doe :yaohappy:

[ClipperRevival]

Couldnt shoot 3's

Went 1-9

Missed playoffs in 14th and 15th season

Average rebounder, playmaker, defender


Perfect player doe :yaohappy:

Dray N Klay....

[ClipperRevival]

Even Wade going in....:(


https://youtu.be/L1BrsYSP6Wc

[TheGoatest]

https://images4.imagebam.com/8c/1b/a1/ME9WGB0_o.png

"No weaknesses"

:roll:

[RRR3]

https://images4.imagebam.com/8c/1b/a1/ME9WGB0_o.png

"No weaknesses"

:roll:
Makes Westbrook look like a sniper

[TheGoatest]

Makes Westbrook look like a sniper

His heavily 2-pointer based scoring game would suffer so much in today's 3 pointer era. Unless they shortened the 3 point line for him like they did between 1994 and 1997. jordon extremists know this pretty well.

[Baller789]

His heavily 2-pointer based scoring game would suffer so much in today's 3 pointer era. Unless they shortened the 3 point line for him like they did between 1994 and 1997. jordon extremists know this pretty well.

So would prime D-Wade struggle in today's NBA?

[8Ball]

https://images4.imagebam.com/8c/1b/a1/ME9WGB0_o.png

"No weaknesses"

:roll:

Lmfao

[Mr. Woke]

KD isn't as good as MJ, no shame in that.

The Nets lost to Boston due to various factors: KD (and also Kyrie) was in a shooting slump, the Nets had worse depth than Boston, and Boston played very well. I never expected the Nets to win anyway because Boston had a better overall team (with better depth; they are the second seed for a reason). Only an idiot would have expected the 7th seed Nets (with worse depth) to move on.

By this point in his career, KD is slightly past his prime. The achilles injury (as well as other injuries) has had an obvious negative effect on his athleticism; it's only gonna keep going downhill from here. Anyone who argues otherwise clearly hasn't watched him enough these last two seasons.

[RRR3]

Hey, how is LeGOAT doing in the playoffs?

https://c.tenor.com/mx9fNn1S4PwAAAAS/spit-take.gif
How did MJ do in the playoffs at 37?

https://c.tenor.com/mx9fNn1S4PwAAAAS/spit-take.gif

[insight]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501961-LeBron-James-is-the-GREATEST-Scorer-of-ALL-TIME


Refer to this thread for proof.


Nobody was able to refute me.


Not Jordan. Not Kareem. LeBron holds the official title of having scored the most points in NBA history on the NBA basketball court.


Jordan could not achieve this record.
Kareem held this record for 30 years until it was just broken by the greatest player / scorer of all time.


To surpass LeBron, the next human would have to:

Average 27ppg for 19 straight years averaging 71 games a season.
+
Average 27ppg for 19 straight playoffs with an average games played of 15 games per playoffs.

Impossible. Unbreakable.

Jordan wasn't trying to achieve records, he was focused on winning championships. Nobody was focused on random stats 30 years ago, just nerds who didn't really understand the game of basketball.

[SATAN]

Nobody was focused on random stats 30 years ago, just nerds who didn't really understand the game of basketball.

Bullshit.

[3ba11]

https://images4.imagebam.com/8c/1b/a1/ME9WGB0_o.png

"No weaknesses"

:roll:


^^^^ All bailout volume - end-of-shot clock bailouts - he always shot well above 1.5 attempts - Curry would shoot poorly if he purposefully limited himself to 1 highly-contested bailout per game... :confusedshrug:...

Show me where MJ shot poorly at regular volume - it doesn't exist - he always shot great at 3, 4 and 5 attempts - he shot better as his volume increased - see the 92' Finals, 93' Playoffs, or 90/93 regular seasons

[Chick Stern]

Are we talking Jordan playing now, or KD playing during the weakest NBA decade?

[WhiteKyrie]

Hey, how is LeGOAT doing in the playoffs?

https://c.tenor.com/mx9fNn1S4PwAAAAS/spit-take.gif

Moves to a REAL conference and not the Leastern Conference the weakest since the 90s West … and … LeCancun

Mirror IG selfies in May have become the norm:

2 missed playoffs
1 first round exit

:roll: :roll: :roll:

And we all know no one takes the Mickey Mouse bubble chip serious.

[Baller789]

So would prime D-Wade struggle in today's NBA?

Anyone?
Bronies?

[8Ball]

Jordan wasn't trying to achieve records, he was focused on winning championships. Nobody was focused on random stats 30 years ago, just nerds who didn't really understand the game of basketball.

Then what was he doing in Washington? Stat padding?