jordon and Hakeem faced the same team in the 1995 playoffs

[TheGoatest]

jordon had an all-NBA 1st teamer who was also all-defensive 1st team.

Hakeem had an all-NBA 3rd teamer who wasn't even all-defensive 2nd team.

jordon lost in 6.

Hakeem won in a 4-0 sweep.

Discuss.

[ImKobe]

Clyde was better than Pippen in the '95 Playoffs, including against Orlando. He bailed the Rockets out in two elimination games in the 1st round and averaged 22/10/7 in the Finals. Horry averaged 18/10/4/3/2 as the 3rd guy. Heck, even their 5th guy averaged 14 a game in the Finals.

Pippen against Orlando? 19/10/6 on 40.9%FG/52.2%TS.

[MrFonzworth]

OP is still a virgin

[Spurs m8]

jordon had an all-NBA 1st teamer who was also all-defensive 1st team.

Hakeem had an all-NBA 3rd teamer who wasn't even all-defensive 2nd team.

jordon lost in 6.

Hakeem won in a 4-0 sweep.

Discuss.

Jordan plays...Hakeem can't win title.

Jordan returns, first full season back, 3peats, AGAIN, Hakeem can't do shit

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Discuss? You know damn well no one counts jordan's baseball season.

Next season it was a 4-0 sweep burying shaq and shipping him to LA

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Clyde was better than Pippen in the '95 Playoffs, including against Orlando. He bailed the Rockets out in two elimination games in the 1st round and averaged 22/10/7 in the Finals. Horry averaged 18/10/4/3/2 as the 3rd guy. Heck, even their 5th guy averaged 14 a game in the Finals.

Pippen against Orlando? 19/10/6 on 40.9%FG/52.2%TS.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1996-nba-eastern-conference-finals-magic-vs-bulls.html

And the very next season, bulls had a 130 offensive rating in game 1.

Horace grant scored 2 points and was so scared shitless he faked an injury hahahah

Shaq left the entire conference to avoid bulls in playoffs

And penny had so much damn surgeries he was worth a penny

So bulls got the last laugh for sure

[TheGoatest]

Discuss? You know damn well no one counts jordan's baseball season.


The people who had no emotional attachement to jordon and were only concerned with money and the cold statistical probability of which team would end up winning the series sure "counted it":

https://images4.imagebam.com/af/7d/e9/ME9WK6V_o.png

And we're not talking about one of your jordon extremist alts troll "preseason favorites", where a million things could happen throughout the season. We're talking about him being a favorite right before the series started, and both teams going on to having all of their players throughout the entire series with no injuries occurring, which could've been a legit excuse. Unlike jordon losing in his 27th game back from retirement being an "excuse".

[RogueBorg]

jordon had an all-NBA 1st teamer who was also all-defensive 1st team.

Hakeem had an all-NBA 3rd teamer who wasn't even all-defensive 2nd team.

jordon lost in 6.

Hakeem won in a 4-0 sweep.

Discuss.

Question - Why did Hakeem duck Jordan in '91, '92, '93, '96, '97, and '98?

Answer - Because he didn't want get biznatch slapped by a fully powered-up Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

[8Ball]

Op with another enlightening thread.

[John_Connor]

Horace grant won the magic that series cause Phil left him wide open. Shaq actually struggled shooting like 45%. Grant shot like 65% with almost 20ppg cause Phil refused to let anyone guard him on his jumpers. he shoulda been on Chicago. not really mjs fault even though he also played sub par. so a bull beat the bulls


https://youtu.be/fNDk6aeW1OM

[2much_knowledge]

A couple people already owned you but lets see

Could it be that hakeem went to training camp? Could it be that hakeem had time to develop chemestry? Could it be that hakeem was in basketball shape all year????

[3ba11]

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Finals Gamescore

95' Horry...... 19.0 gamescore... 18/10/4/3/2 on 57 TS

92' Pippen.... 18.1 gamescore.... 21/8/7/2/1 on 56 TS
91' Pippen.... 17.5 gamescore.... 21/9/7/2/1 on 53 TS
93' Pippen.... 15.6 gamescore.... 20/9/8/2/1 on 46 TS
97' Pippen.... 15.1 gamescore.... 20/8/3/2/2 on 54 TS
96' Pippen.... 13.4 gamescore.... 16/7/5/2/1 on 43 TS
98' Pippen.... 13.0 gamescore.... 16/8/5/2/1 on 50 TS


That's why Horry said he would've demolished Pippen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZpVlMVYr-A&t=24s


With Horry playing better than Pippen ever did, Hakeem/Drexler would steamroll the Bulls.

But before Drexler arrived, Ewing almost beat the 94' Rockets with 18 on 35%, so Jordan would've killed them .. The Rockets weren't legit until 95' when Drexler arrived.

The 95' Rockets confirm Jordan's goatness because it shows that everyone in history needed juggernaut scoring help, including all-time elite scorers at sidekick to win (Drexler) - only Jordan won multiple chips without great scoring help - only Jordan lacked a go-to teammate for his entire career, as Kenny Smith points out here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

[Overdrive]

jordon had an all-NBA 1st teamer who was also all-defensive 1st team.

Hakeem had an all-NBA 3rd teamer who wasn't even all-defensive 2nd team.

jordon lost in 6.

Hakeem won in a 4-0 sweep.

Discuss.

Kobe and Lebron faced the same teams in the playoffs in '09 and '10.

Discuss.

[Axe]

OP is still a virgin
:oldlol:

[RRR3]

Kobe and Lebron faced the same teams in the playoffs in '09 and '10.

Discuss.
LeBron did quite a bit better than Kobe in 09.

[Bawkish]

MJ & Hakeem also faced the same team in 1996 playoffs

Hakeem got swept 4-0

MJ won in 6 together with all the MVPs

[TheGoatest]

Horace grant won the magic that series cause Phil left him wide open.

Finally, a jordon extremist admits through at least one of his alts the importance of the 3rd wheel Grant/Rodman in the Bulls' championship runs. Thank you for making progress.
The ONE playoff run jordon had in the 90s without Rodman/Grant, he lost.
Even though jordon actually played significantly better in that Magic series in 95 than the turd he laid in the 96 finals the following year:

"Out of shape baseball player" jordon against the Magic in 1995:

31.0 ppg on .477
6.5 rpg
3.7 apg
2.5 spg
1.8 bpg

Lost the series in 6.

Full "basketball shape", 82 game playing, 72-10 record having, 1 vote from unanimous MVP jordon against the Sonics in 1996:

27.3 ppg on .415
5.3 rpg
4.2 apg
1.7 spg
0.2 bpg

Won the series in 6.

This is indisputable proof that, unlike Hakeem and the Rockets, the Bulls championship runs were an ensemble team effort and had nothing to do with how well jordon was playing individually.

[3ba11]

Finally, a jordon extremist admits through at least one of his alts the importance of the 3rd wheel Grant/Rodman in the Bulls' championship runs. Thank you for making progress.
The ONE playoff run jordon had in the 90s without Rodman/Grant, he lost.
Even though jordon actually played significantly better in that Magic series in 95 than the turd he laid in the 96 finals the following year:

"Out of shape baseball player" jordon against the Magic in 1995:

31.0 ppg on .477
6.5 rpg
3.7 apg
2.5 spg
1.8 bpg

Lost the series in 6.

Full "basketball shape", 82 game playing, 72-10 record having, 1 vote from unanimous MVP jordon against the Sonics in 1996:

27.3 ppg on .415
5.3 rpg
4.2 apg
1.7 spg
0.2 bpg

Won the series in 6.

This is indisputable proof that, unlike Hakeem and the Rockets, the Bulls championship runs were an ensemble team effort and had nothing to do with how well jordon was playing individually.


You're knocking Jordan for 27 ppg but Lebron won the 13' Finals with only 25, while Wade got 20 and outscored the opposing #1 option..

Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit.. His 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games (needed Ray to force Game 7), while Jordan's 27 on 42% was sufficient to win in 96' because he actually put the series away in the first 3 games (31 on 46%).. So Jordan put the series away while Lebron averaged 16 on 39% and needed teammates to save him.. :oldlol:

Otherwise, your argument is misguided because every series is different and Jordan always led all scorers by similar margins regardless of series - he always carried the scoring load (defeated maximum defensive attention).

The larger point is that you posted his post-baseball stats, which don't compare to pre-baseball stats (35/7/7 for 85-93' Playoffs and 36/7/8 in the 91-93' Finals.. 34/7/7 for 91-93' Playoffs).

But again, let's talk big picture - Jordan's chips required him to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load for playoffs and Finals of title run, aka 10 ppg more than sidekick)

These are the rarest type of chips and the most spectacular, including 11' Dirk, 19' Kawhi, 06' Wade, 94' Hakeem, 03' Duncan, 09' Kobe and Jordan's 6 rings.. These are the chips that didn't require good scoring help... But notice how only Jordan had to win that way every time because everyone actually needed all-time elite scorers at sidekick to win multiple chips - only MJ lacked a go-to teammate for his entire career, as Kenny Smith points out here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).. So everyone needed juggernaut scoring help EXCEPT the goat.

[3ba11]

Finally, a jordon extremist admits through at least one of his alts the importance of the 3rd wheel Grant/Rodman in the Bulls' championship runs. Thank you for making progress.
The ONE playoff run jordon had in the 90s without Rodman/Grant, he lost.
Even though jordon actually played significantly better in that Magic series in 95 than the turd he laid in the 96 finals the following year:

"Out of shape baseball player" jordon against the Magic in 1995:

31.0 ppg on .477
6.5 rpg
3.7 apg
2.5 spg
1.8 bpg

Lost the series in 6.

Full "basketball shape", 82 game playing, 72-10 record having, 1 vote from unanimous MVP jordon against the Sonics in 1996:

27.3 ppg on .415
5.3 rpg
4.2 apg
1.7 spg
0.2 bpg

Won the series in 6.

This is indisputable proof that, unlike Hakeem and the Rockets, the Bulls championship runs were an ensemble team effort and had nothing to do with how well jordon was playing individually.


You're knocking Jordan for 27 ppg but Lebron won the 13' Finals with only 25, while Wade got 20 and outscored the opposing #1 option..

Infact, Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit.. His 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games (needed Ray), while Jordan's 27 on 42% was sufficient because he actually put the series away in the first 3 games (31 on 46%).. So Jordan put the series away while Lebron averaged 16 on 39% and needed teammates to save him.. :oldlol:

Otherwise, your argument is misguided because every series is different and Jordan always led all scorers by similar margins regardless of series - he always carried the scoring load (defeated maximum defensive attention).

The larger point is that you posted his post-baseball stats, which don't compare to pre-baseball stats (35/7/7 for 85-93' Playoffs and 36/7/8 in the 91-93' Finals.. 34/7/7 for 91-93' Playoffs).

Ultimately, Jordan's chips required him to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load for playoffs and Finals of title run, aka 10 ppg more than sidekick)

These are the rarest type of chips and the most spectacular, including 11' Dirk, 19' Kawhi, 06' Wade, 94' Hakeem, 03' Duncan, 09' Kobe and Jordan's 6 rings.. These are the chips that didn't require good scoring help... But notice how only Jordan had to win that way every time because everyone actually needed all-time elite scorers at sidekick to win multiple chips - only MJ lacked a go-to teammate for his entire career, as Kenny Smith points out here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).. So everyone needed juggernaut scoring help EXCEPT the goat.

[kawhileonard2]

jordon had an all-NBA 1st teamer who was also all-defensive 1st team.

Hakeem had an all-NBA 3rd teamer who wasn't even all-defensive 2nd team.

jordon lost in 6.

Hakeem won in a 4-0 sweep.

Discuss.

They faced the same team in 1991, 1996-1998 as well and Jordan won each time while Hakeem lost each time. Discuss.

[2much_knowledge]

LeBron did quite a bit better than Kobe in 09.

Are you talking about numbers that didnt get you anywhere or results?

[ImKobe]

LeBron did quite a bit better than Kobe in 09.

So is Luka doing a lot better than CP3 or Giannis because of his #s, or do we also take winning into account?

[BarberSchool]

Mike was playing in cleats.
Calm down, son.