Ja Morant carries the ball on every possession

[eliteballer]

https://instagram.com/p/CdJCxR_Daxd/

[Ghost1]

he carried his team to victory

[Shogon]

He carries it a LOT... I think the officials miss it because he is so quick.

But yes, he is particularly bad about it... if you took this part of his game away, he would not be as effective.

[tpols]

Wow. He literally picks the ball up entirely underhanded just to throw it ahead and sprint after it. A lot of stars today are straight up fraudulent. So many rule breakers its not even funny.

[999Guy]

I noticed it last night and I barely watch him. He is particularly awful with it. Worse than KD somehow

[eliteballer]

Wow. He literally picks the ball up entirely underhanded just to throw it ahead and sprint after it. A lot of stars today are straight up fraudulent. So many rule breakers its not even funny.

It’s a crazy travel on top of a carry.

[fsvr54]

Wow. He literally picks the ball up entirely underhanded just to throw it ahead and sprint after it. A lot of stars today are straight up fraudulent. So many rule breakers its not even funny.

It's even more ridiculous when people call carries in pick up games when the best players in the world are constantly doing it.

[Shogon]

Wow. He literally picks the ball up entirely underhanded just to throw it ahead and sprint after it. A lot of stars today are straight up fraudulent. So many rule breakers its not even funny.

Players have been traveling and carrying the ball for decades.

Players nowadays are putting more thought into how to get away with it, that much is true, but players have been breaking these rules since practically forever. It's not new.

[eliteballer]

Players have been traveling and carrying the ball for decades.

Players nowadays are putting more thought into how to get away with it, that much is true, but players have been breaking these rules since practically forever. It's not new.

Not even close to this degree.

[Shogon]

Not even close to this degree.

Like I said, today's players are putting more thought on how to get away with it.

James Harden literally became an MVP via metacognition and examining the rules with a microscope.

[Shogon]

If I were an opposing coaching staff I would be compiling as many clips of it as possible and sending it to the league office and refs over and over and over. That's the only way it even has a hope of getting addressed.

[tpols]

Players have been traveling and carrying the ball for decades.

Players nowadays are putting more thought into how to get away with it, that much is true, but players have been breaking these rules since practically forever. It's not new.

Its gotten progressively worse though. The guy is literally fully picking the ball up on every setup dribble looking for a crease and when he sees one just throwing the ball ahead and chasing it. Guys have short cut the rules in the past at times but it wasn't their bread and butter. These guys are RELIANT on cheating.

I remember players like David Thompson said that their was a street ball stereotype in the 70s where they sort of played like this but not as bad. But those guys would play fair in the NBA and still be really good.

[Shogon]

Its gotten progressively worse though. The guy is literally fully picking the ball up on every setup dribble looking for a crease and when he sees one just throwing the ball ahead and chasing it. Guys have short cut the rules in the past at times but it wasn't their bread and butter. These guys are RELIANT on cheating.

I mean he's one of the worst offenders ever if not the worst, I agree.

The GS coaching staff needs to compile clips and keep putting it out there as much as possible.

He's carrying the ball even when he's casually dribbling at a standstill to no advantage. It's literally baked into his game. He would be a shell of himself without it.

[Kblaze8855]

There aren’t some rule breakers. It’s every single player who dribbles. Only a matter of degree. Guys like KD carry 35 times a game just moving around:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DimImpartialEidolonhelvum-size_restricted.gif



We just see it and decide to ignore it when it’s not deemed to give an advantage. But it does. It lets all these guys protect the ball much better. We just call it out for a few people and ignore that legal handles don’t exist anymore.

And that sliding scale of looking the other way is how we get from 7-10 travel/carry/double dribble violations a game back when they called it straight:



https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KlutzyCloseEelelephant-size_restricted.gif







To KD and Giannis who carry on every move, Kyrie and Steph doing double dribble up fakes, and the whole sport traveling on so much they had to fabricate a “zero step” to legalize 3 and 4 step layups and dunks.


It isn’t Ja. It’s all of us looking the other way for 30 years of relaxed standards till it’s the entire league and the nba can’t afford to call them all so they cal one a week to shut a few purists up.

Whoever your favorite player is he cheats if you follow the letter of the law. You don’t really want that. You want cheating. You just want to complain selectively then complain more about what that leads to. Standards went out the window long ago and we all had a hand in it.

[Shogon]

Random clip in the middle of a youtube video from last night... twice on the same play... I just randomly clicked into a dribbling highlight and there it is, plain as day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTQ7rV_TzAU

2:15 mark....

https://i.postimg.cc/zG6Rdztt/1lol.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/sxgXjqHG/2lol.jpg

[Shogon]

There aren’t some rule breakers. It’s every single player who dribbles. Only a matter of degree. Guys like KD carry 35 times a game just moving around:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DimImpartialEidolonhelvum-size_restricted.gif



We just see it and decide to ignore it when it’s not deemed to give an advantage. But it does. It lets all these guys protect the ball much better. We just call it out for a few people and ignore that legal handles don’t exist anymore.

And that sliding scale of looking the other way is how we get from 7-10 travel/carry/double dribble violations a game back when they called it straight:



https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KlutzyCloseEelelephant-size_restricted.gif







To KD and Giannis who carry on every move, Kyrie and Steph doing double dribble up fakes, and the whole sport traveling on so much they had to fabricate a “zero step” to legalize 3 and 4 step layups and dunks.


It isn’t Ja. It’s all of us looking the other way for 30 years of relaxed standards till it’s the entire league and the nba can’t afford to call them all so they cal one a week to shut a few purists up.

Whoever your favorite player is he cheats if you follow the letter of the law. You don’t really want that. You want cheating. You just want to complain selectively then complain more about what that leads to. Standards went out the window long ago and we all had a hand in it.

You're right, I said it's been happening for decades, but it's also not an exaggeration to say that Morant might be one of the very worst we've ever seen with it.

[John_Connor]

this just in... Joey Crawford says it's not a carry

/thread

[warriorfan]

Everyone carries a good amount but the scooping the hand underneath is a bit much

[tpols]

There aren’t some rule breakers. It’s every single player who dribbles. Only a matter of degree. Guys like KD carry 35 times a game just moving around:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DimImpartialEidolonhelvum-size_restricted.gif



We just see it and decide to ignore it when it’s not deemed to give an advantage. But it does. It lets all these guys protect the ball much better. We just call it out for a few people and ignore that legal handles don’t exist anymore.

And that sliding scale of looking the other way is how we get from 7-10 travel/carry/double dribble violations a game back when they called it straight:



https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KlutzyCloseEelelephant-size_restricted.gif







To KD and Giannis who carry on every move, Kyrie and Steph doing double dribble up fakes, and the whole sport traveling on so much they had to fabricate a “zero step” to legalize 3 and 4 step layups and dunks.


It isn’t Ja. It’s all of us looking the other way for 30 years of relaxed standards till it’s the entire league and the nba can’t afford to call them all so they cal one a week to shut a few purists up.

Whoever your favorite player is he cheats if you follow the letter of the law. You don’t really want that. You want cheating. You just want to complain selectively then complain more about what that leads to. Standards went out the window long ago and we all had a hand in it.

Kyrie and Curry don't carry as their bread and butter. Kyrie could probably bob cousy it around the court better than anybody today with his low dribble and Curry can ice teams almost entirely off ball or on long pull ups. They have instances of carrying here and there but it isn't their bread and butter.

Guys like Morant, Durant, and Giannis all use pure underhand palming to set up their rim runs. Not side ball palming. Pure underhand throw ahead dribbling. Its the lanky athletes that abuse it the worse because they can't low dribble like a Kyrie so its the crux of their ability to dribble and protect the ball. Cheating is their bread and butter. At least Durant is an elite shooter though so his skill is still respectable. Morant and Giannis would be nothing without extreme carrying.

[Kblaze8855]

You're right, I said it's been happening for decades, but it's also not an exaggeration to say that Morant might be one of the very worst we've ever seen with it.

I don’t know how to rank it. It’s literally all illegal. It’s just a matter of what we want to acknowledge at the moment. I’ve seen Kyrie carry 5-6 times on a play by the real rules. You can count Durant carry 10-11 times in a row when he’s standing still. His default dribble is a repeated carry we just don’t care. Lebron travels every way you can. Too many steps. Footwork out of the triple threat. Illegal hop steps and pivot switches. Giannis has not legally changed direction ever that I’ve seen.

Weird thing is Iverson was one of the only people ever cracked down on but when you watch his late 90s carry calls and compare it to what Kyrie, KD, Giannis, Harden and so on get away with now he seems almost tame. And refs were more concerned with the footwork of a crossover then too. He’d get called for the foot shuffle mid move and now guys like Harden built their whole game off taking the extra mid dribble steps and getting away with it.

Guys we all agree are immensely skilled are still cheating literally all game without consequence. Choosing to look the other way doesn’t mean any of it is legal. We laugh at the “worst” as if the best isn’t also a joke.

It really is like speeding. Everyone’s guilty. That said….you can still be upset someone goes 130 in a school zone I suppose. Which I take to be your point.

[Shogon]

It really is like speeding. Everyone’s guilty. That said….you can still be upset someone goes 130 in a school zone I suppose. Which I take to be your point.

My point would be more akin to... you're a cop sitting there watching people in a 45 mph zone.. you see a guy doing 60 at the same time you see a guy doing 120... who are you pulling over and going after? Which is more egregious? Yes.

[Kblaze8855]

My point would be more akin to... you're a cop sitting there watching people in a 45 mph zone.. you see a guy doing 60 at the same time you see a guy doing 120... who are you pulling over and going after? Which is more egregious? Yes.

Yet if someone called a town hall to complain about Joey driving 120 in a 45 the fact that everyone at the meeting goes 80 in a 45 is probably gonna come up. There is absolutely nobody available to throw the stones.

[FultzNationRISE]

We all know it started with MJ, whose prolific highlights caused an explosion of league popularity and subsequent $$$, and at that point the league decided “we’re keeping this stuff” and never looked back.

Lebron tried his best to get the league back to fundamentals and ball movement, and in some ways he succeeded, but in other ways it was impossible because the league needs to somehow make guys who arent as good as Lebron appear to be almost as good as Lebron, and it requires the advantage of travels and carries.

Pretty simple. :confusedshrug:

[Kblaze8855]

Kyrie and Curry don't carry as their bread and butter. Kyrie could probably bob cousy it around the court better than anybody today with his low dribble and Curry can ice teams almost entirely off ball or on long pull ups. They have instances of carrying here and there but it isn't their bread and butter.

Guys like Morant, Durant, and Giannis all use pure underhand palming to set up their rim runs. Not side ball palming. Pure underhand throw ahead dribbling. Its the lanky athletes that abuse it the worse because they can't low dribble like a Kyrie so its the crux of their ability to dribble and protect the ball. Cheating is their bread and butter. At least Durant is an elite shooter though so his skill is still respectable. Morant and Giannis would be nothing without extreme carrying.


If you tell Gianni’s he can’t dribble forward at all he’d probably be a much better finishing and switching Gobert doing 19/14 and winning even more DPOYs than he’s already gonna retire with. He does too much well to ever be nothing.

Ja as I’ve said is just one of dozens. Call it straight up modern dribbling is over. There’s a suns/mavs replay on in this bar I’m typing this from and I’m watching Luka carry right now. He’s better than most big guys probably because Europe calls it tighter but he’s getting nba loose with it too. Just is what it is.

[r0drig0lac]

who cares? everyone in the league does it, especially Durant and Irving


It's even more ridiculous when people call carries in pick up games when the best players in the world are constantly doing it.

/thread

[FultzNationRISE]

If you tell Gianni’s he can’t dribble forward at all he’d probably be a much better finishing and switching Gobert doing 19/14 and winning even more DPOYs than he’s already gonna retire with. He does too much well to ever be nothing.

Ja as I’ve said is just one of dozens. Call it straight up modern dribbling is over. There’s a suns/mavs replay on in this bar I’m typing this from and I’m watching Luka carry right now. He’s better than most big guys probably because Europe calls it tighter but he’s getting nba loose with it too. Just is what it is.

I actually suspect the reason he’s more guarded with his dribble and shields with his body rather than carrying all over the place, is smallish hands.

I have the exact same body type and game as Luka (if I was half a foot taller Id be doing what hes doing in the association, no cap!) and my biggest weakness is manipulating the ball with my Wee Hands. Prompts me to shield my dribble more using my girthy calves and hips, even tho I’m very coordinated and explosive, because it’s hard to keep control of the ball while changing directions if you have small hands.

I recognized it in Luka’s game immediately, cause it’s exactly what I do. And probably for the same reason. His between the legs dribbles are more deliberate than quick, and he buffers with his body at kind of an angle. He cant do the kind of quick back and forth that a Kyrie or Ja can do, even tho he obviously has the skill to be able in theory. The bigger your hands, the easier it is to carry the ball.

Hes a stout, compact guy, and probably has smallish hands by NBA standards.

[wagexslave]

Still remember when he traveled literally twice during his game winner against the Suns but neither were called.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSswBQtj0zo

[Wally450]

Not even close to this degree.

Isaiah Thomas used to do it all the time back his Celtics tenure.

Fred Hoidberg complained about it when we played them in the 2017 playoffs.

[StrongLurk]

Previous generations of NBA fans hate the new generations of NBA players/rules.

Story as old as time. Hell the REALLY old NBA fans use to talk shit even about Jordan and the 90's LOL.

But yeah I'm only in my early 30's and I can't stand the new culture forming amount the younger kids about breaking so many current NBA rules. Like I literally see vids of people taking 4-5 steps without dribbling and be DEAD SERIOUS about it not being a travel...like what? Also SO MANY vids of kids doing "fancy" dribbles in games but 90% of those dribbles are literally massive carries, double dribbles, or a weird hybrid of both.

I may be biased, but the best generation of NBA styles for me will always been mid-2000s up to maybe 2016ish.

[Spurs m8]

We're in the league of LeTravel and LeStiffArm

As well as Hardens bullshit

Big deal

At least Ja is real

[Axe]

who cares? everyone in the league does it, especially Durant and Irving



/thread
Casuals think morant deserves league mvp for doing the same thing in the rs earlier. :roll:

[tanibanana]

This is nothing new. Since the middle of the 1980s, every great ball handler and iso scorers are doing it every possession.

[FultzNationRISE]

We're in the league of LeTravel and LeStiffArm

As well as Hardens bullshit

Big deal

At least Ja is real


Can I see you in my office please?

[3ba11]

He has a cadence where he massively carries and takes 4 steps before he dribbles.. he isn't even slick with it... It's a blatant carry but let's face it - most of the refs never played ball either, although I did win a rec league title with one of them once

[Im Still Ballin]

Previous generations of NBA fans hate the new generations of NBA players/rules.

Story as old as time. Hell the REALLY old NBA fans use to talk shit even about Jordan and the 90's LOL.

But yeah I'm only in my early 30's and I can't stand the new culture forming amount the younger kids about breaking so many current NBA rules. Like I literally see vids of people taking 4-5 steps without dribbling and be DEAD SERIOUS about it not being a travel...like what? Also SO MANY vids of kids doing "fancy" dribbles in games but 90% of those dribbles are literally massive carries, double dribbles, or a weird hybrid of both.

I may be biased, but the best generation of NBA styles for me will always been mid-2000s up to maybe 2016ish.

There was a great balance of styles during that period.

The proto-modern offenses and lineups were there (Phoenix, Golden State, Orlando) and they had great success. However, the small-ball and three-point heavy schemes weren't a 'meta-strategy' by any means. Traditional lineups with two bigs still dominated for the most part.

[k0kakw0rld]

https://instagram.com/p/CdJCxR_Daxd/

Stephen Curry does too.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

durant does this too even though he barely knows how to dribble.

all players do it, who gives a shit

[PeroAntic]

Its how everyone plays today. Its not against the rules. And big difference from travelling imo. Carrying is not much of an offense anyway.

[fsvr54]

Its how everyone plays today. Its not against the rules. And big difference from travelling imo. Carrying is not much of an offense anyway.

Carrying is 100% "against the rules".

[Shogon]

Its how everyone plays today. Its not against the rules. And big difference from travelling imo. Carrying is not much of an offense anyway.

Not against the rules and not much of an offense anyways?

Bruh have you ever picked up and dribbled a basketball literally ever?

Carrying makes movement with the ball SUBSTANTIALLY easier to the point that it's a different game.

[PeroAntic]

Not against the rules and not much of an offense anyways?

Bruh have you ever picked up and dribbled a basketball literally ever?

Carrying makes movement with the ball SUBSTANTIALLY easier to the point that it's a different game.

It makes it slightly easier not substantially. so no its not a different game smh

[wagexslave]

Still remember when he traveled literally twice during his game winner against the Suns but neither were called.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSswBQtj0zo

Shit I just re-watched it and realized Ja also pushed off on Booker, otherwise that shot would have been a blocked shot all day with the positioning Book had. How did I not notice that before?

So in this play there were 2 travels(actually 3 tbh, I've seen pics showing his foot touching the ground before the ball was out of his hand) and a key push off.

Ja is fun and exciting to watch, but the closer I pay attention to his game the more I notice him getting away with bs.

[paksat]

lmao a travel and a carry on one play

"most skilled it's ever been" LOL

these dipshits can't even dribble the ball.

[insight]

It makes it slightly easier not substantially. so no its not a different game smh

The is 100% WRONG!!!! Carrying allows you to gain a huge advantage over the defender, there is nothing slight about it. This is the NBA not a And 1 Mix Tape.

[TheGoatest]

He only carries the ball once on every possession though.
The Warriors on the other hand get away with multiple moving screens on every possession, and have been since 2014.

[HylianNightmare]

It's 2022 it's cool

[PeroAntic]

The is 100% WRONG!!!! Carrying allows you to gain a huge advantage over the defender, there is nothing slight about it. This is the NBA not a And 1 Mix Tape.

NBA and And 1 are converging these days thats what makes all this talent pop up. I draw the line at travelling tbh