Tracy Mcgrady calls kobe the most skilled player ever

[John_Connor]

https://youtu.be/VWDhT6vAuiY


https://i.ibb.co/XJPLn59/giphy-12.gif

[1987_Lakers]

Surely that skill led to numerous great Finals performances.

[John_Connor]

Surely that skill led to numerous great Finals performances.

already proved that his finals fg% as a perimeter player was normal for his era and other stars. remember I listed all wing players shooting in the finals from 1996 to 2021 and all the ones at the top were since the freedom of movement era started this past decade and kobes were all well above or in the middle of everyone from 1996 to 2011 or so


you got so angry you deleted the thread like my sidekick all time finals averages ranking


it's why I no longer try anymore on the nba board. you're a loser that can't handle reality

[1987_Lakers]

that can't handle reality

How's this for reality?...

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/8c/f1/ce8cf122be3f27838839c0a5ead0a1a8.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

already proved that his finals fg% as a perimeter player was normal for his era and other stars. remember I listed all wing players shooting in the finals from 1996 to 2021 and all the ones at the top were since the freedom of movement era started this past decade and kobes were all well above or in the middle of everyone from 1996 to 2011 or so


you got so angry you deleted the thread like my sidekick all time finals averages ranking


it's why I no longer try anymore on the nba board. you're a loser that can't handle reality
Instead of FG%, an outdated and antiquated measure of efficiency, lets use TS%

Kobe's career Finals TS%: 50%TS, shot better than 53%TS in one of his 7 Finals

2000 Reggie: 59%TS
2000 Rose: 56%TS
2004 Billups: 70%TS
2005 Manu: 64%TS
2005 Billups: 57%TS
2006 Wade: 57%TS
2006 Terry: 55%TS
2007 Parker: 60%TS
2007 Manu: 57%TS
2008 Pierce: 59%TS
2008 Allen: 71%TS
2009 Hedo: 60%TS
2009 Lewis: 55%TS
2010 Pierce: 55%TS

Sure, you had Iverson, Kidd, LeBron in '07 also shoot incredibly inefficiently. But as you can see, the VAST majority of the time, perimeter players shot leaps and bounds better than Kobe did in the Finals.

[1987_Lakers]

Instead of FG%, an outdated and antiquated measure of efficiency, lets use TS%

Kobe's career Finals TS%: 50%TS, shot better than 53%TS in one of his 7 Finals

2000 Reggie: 59%TS
2000 Rose: 56%TS
2004 Billups: 70%TS
2005 Manu: 64%TS
2005 Billups: 57%TS
2006 Wade: 57%TS
2006 Terry: 55%TS
2007 Parker: 60%TS
2007 Manu: 57%TS
2008 Pierce: 59%TS
2008 Allen: 71%TS
2009 Hedo: 60%TS
2009 Lewis: 55%TS
2010 Pierce: 55%TS

Sure, you had Iverson, Kidd, LeBron in '07 also shoot incredibly inefficiently. But as you can see, the VAST majority of the time, perimeter players shot leaps and bounds better than Kobe did in the Finals.

Kenny after reading this...

https://c.tenor.com/ijQ4KL6S7J8AAAAC/wwe-triple-h.gif

[John_Connor]

TS%

2002 Kobe 62.3
1997 pippen 54.1
1998 stockton 53.9
1996 Jordan 53.8
1996 payton 53.2
1997 Jordan 53.2
2010 Kobe 52.8
1998 kerr 52.8
2009 Kobe 52.5
1998 russell 51.9
1997 Hornacek 51.8
1999 A. Johnson 51.8
1996 Kukoc 51.7
1998 Jordan 51.6
2008 Kobe 50.5
1999 houston 50.3
1998 pippen 50.2
2001 Kobe 50.1
1998 hornacek 50.1
1997 kerr 48.6
1999 sprewell 48.6
1997 malone 48.5
2004 Kobe 45.6
1999 jackson 44.6
1999 kerr 43.1
1996 pippen 42.9
1998 elliott 42.7
1997 harper 41.9
1998 harper 41.8
1996 kerr 41.6
2000 Kobe 41.1
1999 L. Johnson 34.7
1999 childs 26.2



i could finish this but as you can see its more so the era than kobe struggling.. just used 4 years so far for other guys. people actually played defense back then

[Full Court]

Kobe was Shaq's beta during the three peat. Just that by itself keeps him from being top 5 in my view.

[John_Connor]

as for these guys

2000 Reggie: 59%TS ( mostly after kobes injury. kobe was mainly defending mark jackson that series )

2004 Billups: 70%TS ( mostly garbage time blow outs and kobe defended prince mostly )

2005 Manu: 64%TS ( real mvp of that series easily. duncans ts% that series is in fact the lowest ever for a finals mvp )

2006 Wade: 57%TS ( fake stats. bailed out on every miss )

2006 Terry: 55%TS ( mavs shoulda won that year. shame )

2007 Parker: 60%TS ( well thats lebrons fault )

2007 Manu: 57%TS ( ditto )

2008 Pierce: 59%TS ( kobe guarded rondo mostly )

2008 Allen: 71%TS ( who was guarding him? farmar or sasha lol )

2009 Hedo: 60%TS ( kobe matched up with piutrus )

2009 Lewis: 55%TS ( not his man either )

2010 Pierce: 55%TS ( kobe defended rondo and ray )

[John_Connor]

Kobe was Shaq's beta during the three peat. Just that by itself keeps him from being top 5 in my view.

not vs the blazers, spurs or kings. the real finals

sorry

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe also said Tmac was the toughest guy he ever had to guard.

It's obviously not a crazy statement but they were boys.

[John_Connor]

Kobe also said Tmac was the toughest guy he ever had to guard.

It's obviously not a crazy statement but they were boys.

why do all of lebrons teammates/friends mimic tmacs comments then

:lol



wade - "kobe was the player of our generation"

davis - "mike/kobe > lebron"

bosh - "kobe was our MJ"

kyrie - "kobe is my idol"

westbrook - "kobe was my favorite player"

shaq - "mike and kobe > lebron. nobody feared lebron"

:roll:

[ShawkFactory]

why do all of lebrons teammates/friends mimic tmacs comments then

:lol



wade - "kobe was the player of our generation"

davis - "mike/kobe > lebron"

bosh - "kobe was our MJ"

kyrie - "kobe is my idol"

westbrook - "kobe was my favorite player"

shaq - "mike and kobe > lebron. nobody feared lebron"

:roll:

Was the thread about Kobe vs Lebron? I'm confused. I thought Tmac was talking about Kobe and Jordan.

[John_Connor]

Was the thread about Kobe vs Lebron? I'm confused. I thought Tmac was talking about Kobe and Jordan.

the point is you're trying to say tmac is biased but everyone says kobes better or most skilled. even guys who were close to lebron

same with MJ's guys


pippen - "kobe was more skilled than Jordan. he was better"

Salley - "i told MJ kobe was better"

horace - "when i saw kobe i didn't see a difference. i asked guys if thats michael? only difference is 1 more championship"

[ShawkFactory]

the point is you're trying to say tmac is biased but everyone says kobes better or most skilled. even guys who were close to lebron

same with MJ's guys


pippen - "kobe was more skilled than Jordan. he was better"

Salley - "i told MJ kobe was better"

horace - "when i saw kobe i didn't see a difference. i asked guys if thats michael? only difference is 1 more championship"

"Kobe was more skilled that Jordan". That's the title of the video you posted.

What does Lebron have to do with this? That's not what I'm talking about.

[John_Connor]

"Kobe was more skilled that Jordan". That's the title of the video you posted.

What does Lebron have to do with this? That's not what I'm talking about.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBvE6PlxjBM&ab_channel=holcolater

AGAIN. the point is you're trying to say tmac is biased but everyone says kobes better or most skilled. even guys who were close to lebron AND same with MJ's guys TO SHOW ITS NOT JUST SOME BIAS

[Johnny32]

already proved that his finals fg% as a perimeter player was normal for his era and other stars. remember I listed all wing players shooting in the finals from 1996 to 2021 and all the ones at the top were since the freedom of movement era started this past decade and kobes were all well above or in the middle of everyone from 1996 to 2011 or so


you got so angry you deleted the thread like my sidekick all time finals averages ranking


it's why I no longer try anymore on the nba board. you're a loser that can't handle reality

he should be above lg avg by 5/6% minimum. lebron was/is.

[John_Connor]

he should be above lg avg by 5/6% minimum. lebron was/is.

lebron padded stats in mostly blow out wins and losses. rarely were his finals series ever competitive other than the wins/losses going back and forth but the games were absolute trash. and his era is impossible to take seriously because of the lack of defense. the few times games were close lebron was atrocious in 2013 and 2015. i'm sure that fake bubble atmosphere helped as well

[Johnny32]

lebron padded stats in mostly blow out wins and losses. rarely were his finals series ever competitive other than the wins/losses going back and forth but the games were absolute trash. and his era is impossible to take seriously because of the lack of defense. the few times games were close lebron was atrocious in 2013 and 2015

lol you're so pathetically desperate.

[John_Connor]

lol you're so pathetically desperate.

so the 2007 finals weren't dogshit. lebron didn't just quit to protect his efficiency and pout?

the 2011 finals weren't a joke either? same exact thing as 2007. if he was a role player his line would be commendable. but he quit

2012 vs skinny young KD?

2014 was an nba record for getting blown out

2016 all the cavs and warriors wins were both massive blowouts for the first 6 games

2017 and 2018 lebron just padded in blow out losses

then the bubble?

[ShawkFactory]

AGAIN. the point is you're trying to say tmac is biased but everyone says kobes better or most skilled. even guys who were close to lebron AND same with MJ's guys TO SHOW ITS NOT JUST SOME BIAS

Than Jordan?

I feel like you're not understanding.

[Johnny32]

so the 2007 finals weren't dogshit. lebron didn't just quit to protect his efficiency and pout?

the 2011 finals weren't a joke either? same exact thing as 2007. if he was a role player his line would be commendable. but he quit

2012 vs skinny young KD?

2014 was an nba record for getting blown out

2016 all the cavs and warriors wins were both massive blowouts for the first 6 games

2017 and 2018 lebron just padded in blow out losses

then the bubble?

reg season and postseason. compare their percentages vs the lg avg or run away like a drunken coward.

[John_Connor]

Than Jordan?

I feel like you're not understanding.

1. the fact that you think only jordan should be compared to kobe in a thread that only states tmac saying kobe is most skilled in general is you taking a loss right off the bat and self cucking at its best

2. you can make a generalization using different people as an example. it doesn't have to be who you think should be in the actual comparison. the argument is bias and anyone else can be used as examples as to why the majority of players are just straight up when it comes to all time discussions. only on the rare occasions do you see people just hating like with isiah thomas

3. just admit i owned your ass with multiple examples as to why your point made no sense

[John_Connor]

reg season and postseason. compare their percentages vs the lg avg or run away like a drunken coward.

like i said.. lebrons era was by far the most embarrassing one in terms of efficiency due to there literally being rules against playing defense or even being able to jump and contest a guys shot or standing in his way when going forward or around screens. that or being able to foul without getting ejected. how many free lanes to the rim did lebron get while kobe got hard fouls, broken noses, choke slams etc...

[8Ball]

Surely that skill led to numerous great Finals performances.

1987_Lakers does it again.

The Kenny slayer.

[Soundwave]

"Skill" is kind of a hard to pin down term. Sure, Kobe might be the most skilled player, he had a little more streetball flair to his game on top of patterning his game around Jordan's skillset.. It's not like Jordan lacked skills though and his fundamentals and basketball I.Q. were higher than Kobe's. Kyrie Irving is probably more "skilled" than Magic Johnson or Larry Bird but I would take Bird or Magic every time if starting a team.

[8Ball]

Kobe was Shaq's beta during the three peat. Just that by itself keeps him from being top 5 in my view.

Smart post from Full Court :applause:

[John_Connor]

Smart post from Full Court :applause:

ask him what he thinks about lebron

[John_Connor]

1987_Lakers does it again.

The Kenny slayer.

you're sorta like your idol with your shameless self promotion. but at least lebron will show himself on camera. just get a man weave like he did and youl have the confidence

[SATAN]

A guy that tried to copy Michael Jordan was the most skilled ever? Give me a break.

[John_Connor]

A guy that tried to copy Michael Jordan was the most skilled ever? Give me a break.

jordan copied baylor, west, wilt, oscar, dr J, nance and others


jordans better than all them

[1987_Lakers]

you're sorta like your idol with your shameless self promotion. but at least lebron will show himself on camera. just get a man weave like he did and youl have the confidence

Dude, that's not me.

[SATAN]

jordan copied baylor, west, wilt, oscar, dr J, nance and others


jordans better than all them

And Kobe wasn't better than Michael.

[1987_Lakers]

And Kobe wasn't better than Michael.

:roll:

[John_Connor]

And Kobe wasn't better than Michael.

when did i say he was better. jordan had the better career and was a better leader for most of his career. he was also way more athletic and had a massive advantage over guys athletically and with his hands/health/strength/reach etc...


hes the goat. but not the most skilled. kobe, bird, durant and others were more skilled than MJ. its not an insult. jordan lacked handles, range, left handed shots from outside layups and other things like floaters/hooks/freestyle counters/pump fakes/reverse spins/off backboard passes/behind the back passes/shots over the backboard and a multitude of other little things that kobe needed to make up for his battered body and smaller hands

[John_Connor]

:roll:

your timing is never very good

[John_Connor]

Dude, that's not me.

then what do you do for a living. answer or own it steven

[SATAN]

when did i say he was better. jordan had the better career and was a better leader for most of his career. he was also way more athletic and had a massive advantage over guys athletically and with his hands/health/strength/reach etc...


hes the goat. but not the most skilled. kobe, bird, durant and others were more skilled than MJ. its not an insult. jordan lacked handles, range, left handed shots from outside layups and other things like floaters/hooks/freestyle counters/pump fakes/reverse spins/off backboard passes/behind the back passes/shots over the backboard and a multitude of other little things that kobe needed to make up for his battered body and smaller hands

Yes he still won more than everyone you mentioned. You're reaching with all those "skills"...Off backboard passes :yaohappy:

This dude really said Michael Jordan wasn't good at pump fakes. :yaohappy:

Kobe is dead. He was what he was. Get over it.

[RRR3]

when did i say he was better. jordan had the better career and was a better leader for most of his career. he was also way more athletic and had a massive advantage over guys athletically and with his hands/health/strength/reach etc...


hes the goat. but not the most skilled. kobe, bird, durant and others were more skilled than MJ. its not an insult. jordan lacked handles, range, left handed shots from outside layups and other things like floaters/hooks/freestyle counters/pump fakes/reverse spins/off backboard passes/behind the back passes/shots over the backboard and a multitude of other little things that kobe needed to make up for his battered body and smaller hands
You've literally said Kobe was a better player than MJ before you ****ing liar

[John_Connor]

Yes he still won more than everyone you mentioned. You're reaching with all those "skills"...Off backboard passes :yaohappy:

This dude really said Michael Jordan wasn't good at pump fakes. :yaohappy:

Kobe is dead. He was what he was. Get over it.

utilizing pump fakes/digging into defenders and drawing fouls isnt a skill?

getting a defender off his feet and drawing an and 1 from 20 feet out isn't a skill?

you sound like a 60 year old butthurt old man holding onto jordan thinking just because he had a more successful career that he must be perfect. but he wasn't. hes the goat because he accomplished the most. is kareem the 2nd most skilled ever? hell no. is russell the 3rd most skilled ever? hell the f*ck no. being better doesn't equate to skills

and i'm not the one who got on tv and said kobe was the most skilled ever that triggered you to the point of tears. go harass tracy mcgrady if you're too butthurt to handle it

[John_Connor]

You've literally said Kobe was a better player than MJ before you ****ing liar

better in a vacuum peak for peak. better 1 on 1. i never once said kobe had the better career

[1987_Lakers]

better in a vacuum peak for peak. better 1 on 1. i never once said kobe had the better career

:roll:

[RRR3]

better in a vacuum peak for peak. better 1 on 1. i never once said kobe had the better career
You are braindead. Nothing supports this, literally nothing. Kobe giving you a funny feeling in your pants doesn't make him better than Michael ****ing Jordan you lunatic

[John_Connor]

:roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvJiYEJpSZk&ab_channel=NBAHighlights


you can laugh but the guy literally said kobe would beat him 1 on 1


and yes kobe took all his moves and had more added that MJ didn't have. thats why hes better in a vacuum

[8Ball]

ask him what he thinks about lebron

He isnt always right, but have to give credit where irs due when he is correct.

I am objective after all and non biased.

[ImKobe]

You are braindead. Nothing supports this, literally nothing. Kobe giving you a funny feeling in your pants doesn't make him better than Michael ****ing Jordan you lunatic


"Kobe's become the floor leader of a basketball team that was kind of looking for that nature of a player, who could not only be a scorer, but also be a playmaker or consistently make big plays at critical times," Jackson said. "So it was very important for Kobe to step into that role that he was envisioned at. I've always held the bar up very high for Kobe, and he's not only reached that bar, but he's jumping over the top of it right now.
"And I think it's the best that I've ever seen a player of mine play with an overall court game. I'm asking him to do so much, and he's accomplishing it."
Jackson was quickly asked for a clarification. That includes Michael Jordan?
"I never asked Michael to be a playmaker," Jackson said. "That's the greatest player that I've ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game, and I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. But Kobe has to set up the offense, to advance the ball, to read the defense, to make other players happy, and he's doing a great job of that."

This is pre-prime Kobe in the '01 Playoffs, and Phil's saying '01 Kobe's the better all-around player.

[8Ball]

you're sorta like your idol with your shameless self promotion. but at least lebron will show himself on camera. just get a man weave like he did and youl have the confidence

I am pretty confident I have more hair on my head than you do. :lol

[John_Connor]

You are braindead. Nothing supports this, literally nothing. Kobe giving you a funny feeling in your pants doesn't make him better than Michael ****ing Jordan you lunatic

kobes 81 point game and 2006 PPG when adjusted for pace are #1 all time

Process:

· Gather every single qualified scorer who averaged over 25 PPG from 1974 to 2020 (280 instances).

· Adjust each player’s PPG by 2021 league average pace (99.2 possessions)

· Record each player’s MPG and find the percentage of possessions they played for their teams (% poss. = Player MPG/48 MPG).

· Pace Adjusted PTS/75 = Adjusted PPG/Player Possessions per game x 100 x .75

· Note: If I say per 75, I am typically referring to pace adjusted per 75.

Top 30

1. 2006 Kobe Bryant – 37.32

2. 2019 James Harden – 36.58

3. 1987 Michael Jordan – 36.09

4. 1996 Michael Jordan – 34.68

5. 1993 Michael Jordan – 34.60

6. 2009 Dwyane Wade – 34.57

7. 1997 Michael Jordan – 34.49

8. 2013 Carmelo Anthony – 34.30

9. 2009 LeBron James – 34.24

10. 2017 Russell Westbrook – 34.08

11. 1988 Michael Jordan – 33.90

12. 2003 Tracy McGrady – 33.56

13. 1998 Michael Jordan – 33.40

14. 1991 Michael Jordan – 33.22

15. 1997 Karl Malone – 33.04

16. 1990 Michael Jordan - 32.87

17. 2006 LeBron James – 32.69

18. 2014 Kevin Durant – 32.62

19. 2017 Isaiah Thomas – 32.62

20. 2008 LeBron James – 32.59

21. 2010 LeBron James – 32.57

22. 2010 Dwyane Wade – 32.55

23. 1998 Karl Malone – 32.45

24. 2011 Kobe Bryant – 32.45

25. 2002 Allen Iverson – 32.45

26. 1994 David Robinson – 32.36

27. 2006 Dirk Nowitzki – 32.29

28. 2018 James Harden – 32.23

29. 2001 Allen Iverson – 32.20

30. 1999 Shaquille O’Neal – 32.18



Kobe Bryant's 81 point game in 2006 is a greater performance than Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game in 1962


Let's ignore the fact that Wilt has 6 out of the top 10 single game scoring performances all time and just focus on the top 2; Wilt's 100 and Jalen Rose's Nightmare.

Let's also ignore ancillary stats since we only focus on scoring prowess for this game (although Wilt's 25 rebounds is still crazy).

The pace of the game was very different back in 1962 versus 2006, and overall, the Philadelphia Warriors shot 115 times in that game compared to the Lakers 88 times. Both teams shot over the average shot per game per year with the Lakers shooting 10% more than the league average 79.7 shots per game, and the Warriors shooting 7% more than the 107.7 shots per game average in 1962.

When you look individually, it appears that Wilt contributed less to the overall scoring output of his team, and on less efficiency, than Kobe did.

Wilt scored 100 of 169 points (59.17%) on 63 of 115 shots (54.78%) and made 36 of 63 (57.14%) shots. This is compared to Kobe who scored 81 of 122 points (66%) on 46 of 88 shots (52.27%) making 28 of 42 shots (66.67%)

So it shows that Kobe contributed more to his team's overall points on less percentage of shots.

On the free throw side, things are alot more even and slightly favor Wilt where he made 65% of his teams free throws while taking 61.5% of total free throws versus Kobe who make 64.3% of free throws and took 60.6% of the teams' overall free throws.

Now if you adjusted Kobe to take the same amount of shots comparatively to Wilt on the current pace, it would mean Kobe would have taken 48 total shots instead of 46, meaning he most likely would have made one and brought his total to 83 points.

If you adjust the Lakers to the same pace as the Warriors, that would result in 27 extra shots for the Lakers, and 15 extra shots for Kobe, and 19 extra free throws, 11 of them being shot by Kobe.

Around 25% of Kobe's shots in the game were 3 pointers, and the team was shooting at 47.7% so we can assume that Kobe would have made at least 7 of those extra 15 shots, with at least 1 (maybe 2) being a 3 pointer, but lets just call in 6 extra 2 pointers and 1 extra 3 for an adjusted extra point total of 15, bringing his total points to 98.

If we do the same for the free throws, with Kobe shooting somewhere between the team 85% and his 90% average, that would be an extra 9 points for Kobe bringing his potential total to 107 points.

So in my scientific assessment during this boring ass off-season, I deem that Kobe Bryant's 81 point game is a great performance than Wilt's 100 point game.

[8Ball]

then what do you do for a living. answer or own it steven

I told you, I own real estate and I am a part time lawyer.

[John_Connor]

I am pretty confident I have more hair on my head than you do. :lol

what about all that loose skin from losing 100 pounds 9 years ago

[8Ball]

what about all that loose skin from losing 100 pounds 9 years ago

I've had a 6 pack my entire life.

Harder to keep it now, have to do lots of ab work.

[John_Connor]

I've had a 6 pack my entire life.

Harder to keep it now, have to do lots of ab work.

lots of fat people have muscle under their guts and in their legs. its from having to use so much effort just to maneuver around

[8Ball]

kobes 81 point game and 2006 PPG when adjusted for pace are #1 all time

Process:

· Gather every single qualified scorer who averaged over 25 PPG from 1974 to 2020 (280 instances).

· Adjust each player’s PPG by 2021 league average pace (99.2 possessions)

· Record each player’s MPG and find the percentage of possessions they played for their teams (% poss. = Player MPG/48 MPG).

· Pace Adjusted PTS/75 = Adjusted PPG/Player Possessions per game x 100 x .75

· Note: If I say per 75, I am typically referring to pace adjusted per 75.

Top 30

1. 2006 Kobe Bryant – 37.32

2. 2019 James Harden – 36.58

3. 1987 Michael Jordan – 36.09

4. 1996 Michael Jordan – 34.68

5. 1993 Michael Jordan – 34.60

6. 2009 Dwyane Wade – 34.57

7. 1997 Michael Jordan – 34.49

8. 2013 Carmelo Anthony – 34.30

9. 2009 LeBron James – 34.24

10. 2017 Russell Westbrook – 34.08

11. 1988 Michael Jordan – 33.90

12. 2003 Tracy McGrady – 33.56

13. 1998 Michael Jordan – 33.40

14. 1991 Michael Jordan – 33.22

15. 1997 Karl Malone – 33.04

16. 1990 Michael Jordan - 32.87

17. 2006 LeBron James – 32.69

18. 2014 Kevin Durant – 32.62

19. 2017 Isaiah Thomas – 32.62

20. 2008 LeBron James – 32.59

21. 2010 LeBron James – 32.57

22. 2010 Dwyane Wade – 32.55

23. 1998 Karl Malone – 32.45

24. 2011 Kobe Bryant – 32.45

25. 2002 Allen Iverson – 32.45

26. 1994 David Robinson – 32.36

27. 2006 Dirk Nowitzki – 32.29

28. 2018 James Harden – 32.23

29. 2001 Allen Iverson – 32.20

30. 1999 Shaquille O’Neal – 32.18



Kobe Bryant's 81 point game in 2006 is a greater performance than Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game in 1962


Let's ignore the fact that Wilt has 6 out of the top 10 single game scoring performances all time and just focus on the top 2; Wilt's 100 and Jalen Rose's Nightmare.

Let's also ignore ancillary stats since we only focus on scoring prowess for this game (although Wilt's 25 rebounds is still crazy).

The pace of the game was very different back in 1962 versus 2006, and overall, the Philadelphia Warriors shot 115 times in that game compared to the Lakers 88 times. Both teams shot over the average shot per game per year with the Lakers shooting 10% more than the league average 79.7 shots per game, and the Warriors shooting 7% more than the 107.7 shots per game average in 1962.

When you look individually, it appears that Wilt contributed less to the overall scoring output of his team, and on less efficiency, than Kobe did.

Wilt scored 100 of 169 points (59.17%) on 63 of 115 shots (54.78%) and made 36 of 63 (57.14%) shots. This is compared to Kobe who scored 81 of 122 points (66%) on 46 of 88 shots (52.27%) making 28 of 42 shots (66.67%)

So it shows that Kobe contributed more to his team's overall points on less percentage of shots.

On the free throw side, things are alot more even and slightly favor Wilt where he made 65% of his teams free throws while taking 61.5% of total free throws versus Kobe who make 64.3% of free throws and took 60.6% of the teams' overall free throws.

Now if you adjusted Kobe to take the same amount of shots comparatively to Wilt on the current pace, it would mean Kobe would have taken 48 total shots instead of 46, meaning he most likely would have made one and brought his total to 83 points.

If you adjust the Lakers to the same pace as the Warriors, that would result in 27 extra shots for the Lakers, and 15 extra shots for Kobe, and 19 extra free throws, 11 of them being shot by Kobe.

Around 25% of Kobe's shots in the game were 3 pointers, and the team was shooting at 47.7% so we can assume that Kobe would have made at least 7 of those extra 15 shots, with at least 1 (maybe 2) being a 3 pointer, but lets just call in 6 extra 2 pointers and 1 extra 3 for an adjusted extra point total of 15, bringing his total points to 98.

If we do the same for the free throws, with Kobe shooting somewhere between the team 85% and his 90% average, that would be an extra 9 points for Kobe bringing his potential total to 107 points.

So in my scientific assessment during this boring ass off-season, I deem that Kobe Bryant's 81 point game is a great performance than Wilt's 100 point game.

Kenny,

1987 Lakers posted Kobe'z final stats over 7 finals. He didn't play well enough.

[8Ball]

lots of fat people have muscle under their guts and in their legs. its from having to use so much effort just to maneuver around

I've been under 200 lbs my entire life, so I don't know what it feels like to be fat. Maybe you can enlighten us.

[John_Connor]

Kenny,

1987 Lakers posted Kobe'z final stats over 7 finals. He didn't play well enough.

jordan had some poor finals efficiency wise too. hes still the goat and kobes still the most skilled and that post was to prove kobe is the best in a vacuum

[John_Connor]

I've been under 200 lbs my entire life, so I don't know what it feels like to be fat. Maybe you can enlighten us.

well you're 5'6 and anorexic.. losing 100 pounds going from 195 to 95 is kind of believable

have you ever thought about becoming a horse jockey


https://www.deephollowranch.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Average-Jockey-Height-Weight-Why-Limit.jpg

[8Ball]

I thoight you said I was 5'8", now I am 5'6"? Damn thats mean. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Kenny,

1987 Lakers posted Kobe'z final stats over 7 finals. He didn't play well enough.

And Bran was any better in his first 7 Finals? Or did his numbers go up once he started playing the small ball Warriors with the league also going small and breaking ORTG/Efficiency records?

Kobe's numbers were efficient for his era. If you guys think his '01, '09 or '10 Finals were terrible in terms of efficiency & volume, go look at Bran's in '07 or '11 or '13. He had plenty of stinkers before the league went small & started breaking ORTG records. His 4 best Finals series all came vs GS after his prime because the defense became worse with each season.

[John_Connor]

I thoight you said I was 5'8", now I am 5'6"? Damn thats mean. :oldlol:

ok fine. 5'8 you win

[8Ball]

jordan had some poor finals efficiency wise too. hes still the goat and kobes still the most skilled and that post was to prove kobe is the best in a vacuum

Bran is more skilled.

The passing talent alone makes Bron a tier higher than Kobe.

Most Kobe fans have accepted this. I read the laker forums and laker / kobe fans begrudgingly accept Bran as more talented than Kobe.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe's MUCH closer to the likes of Wade, KD & Kawhi than he is Jordan. Kobe scored 40 points once over 7 Finals series, (a game he had to come back in to statpad up by 20 btw), while Jordan averaged 41 ppg for an entire Finals series. Put Jordan & Kobe's production, advanced metrics & accolades h2h and it's literally a clean sweep for Jordan.

[8Ball]

And Bran was any better in his first 7 Finals? Or did his numbers go up once he started playing the small ball Warriors with the league also going small and breaking ORTG/Efficiency records?

Kobe's numbers were efficient for his era. If you guys think his '01, '09 or '10 Finals were terrible in terms of efficiency & volume, go look at Bran's in '07 or '11 or '13. He had plenty of stinkers before the league went small & started breaking ORTG records. His 4 best Finals series all came vs GS after his prime because the defense became worse with each season.

Post all finals stats of Kobe vs all finals stats of Bron.

Debate is over.

[outofstomach]

Kenny,

1987 Lakers posted Kobe'z final stats over 7 finals. He didn't play well enough.are you gonna respond to what he actually said?

[8Ball]

Kobe's MUCH closer to the likes of Wade, KD & Kawhi than he is Jordan. Kobe scored 40 points once over 7 Finals series, (a game he had to come back in to statpad up by 20 btw), while Jordan averaged 41 ppg for an entire Finals. Put Jordan & Kobe's production, advanced metrics, accolades h2h and it's a literal clean sweep for Jordan.

Only 1 time?

Bran had multiple 40 point games in 2016 alone.

[8Ball]

are you gonna respond to what he actually said?

2006 kobe barely even got mvp votes.

Nobody considers that season a success.


Successful as Bran was in 2022 just yucking up points. Nobody cares.

[ImKobe]

Post all finals stats of Kobe vs all finals stats of Bron.

Debate is over.

It's not over. Bran had plenty of series where he put up great stats in historic blowout losses. Doesn't mean those were any better than the series that Kobe actually won. Also, can't compare Bran's numbers against small ball teams in this era to what Kobe did in the early 2000s, it's so much easier to put up numbers now that even Jimmy Butler almost averaged a triple-double against Bran in the Finals while having no help.

[ImKobe]

2006 kobe barely even got mvp votes.

Nobody considers that season a success.

Kobe got the 2nd most 1st place votes in '06, but 8 voters left him off the ballot completely and the league was clearly trying to make a white player the new face of the NBA.

[8Ball]

Kobe got the 2nd most 1st place votes in '06, but 8 voters left him off the ballot completely and the league was clearly trying to make a white player the new face of the NBA.

Bron had more points overall than Kobe at 2nd.

So even all that big hoopala about 2006, he finished 4th in mvp voting behind Bron.

Bron actually got robbed in 2006, not Kobe.

[ImKobe]

Bron had more points overall than Kobe at 2nd.

So even all that big hoopala about 2006, he finished 4th in mvp voting.

Bran had 6 less 1st place votes, and no one in their right mind picked Bran over Kobe in '06. You should know that, 1987_Lakers.

[RRR3]

And Bran was any better in his first 7 Finals? Or did his numbers go up once he started playing the small ball Warriors with the league also going small and breaking ORTG/Efficiency records?

Kobe's numbers were efficient for his era. If you guys think his '01, '09 or '10 Finals were terrible in terms of efficiency & volume, go look at Bran's in '07 or '11 or '13. He had plenty of stinkers before the league went small & started breaking ORTG records. His 4 best Finals series all came vs GS after his prime because the defense became worse with each season.
Yes? When did Kobe have a finals remotely comparable to LeBron in 2012 or 2016 lol? Never.

[John_Connor]

Bran is more skilled.

The passing talent alone makes Bron a tier higher than Kobe.

Most Kobe fans have accepted this. I read the laker forums and laker / kobe fans begrudgingly accept Bran as more talented than Kobe.

lebron is only skilled at passing. he has the ugliest game in every single other area. stop it

[8Ball]

Bran had 6 less 1st place votes, and no one in their right mind picked Bran over Kobe in '06. You should know that, 1987_Lakers.

Kobe's best season is 2006 and he still finished behind Bron in mvp voting points.


If gasol doesn't get traded to the Lakers Kobe wins 0 MVP awards for his entire career.

[John_Connor]

Yes? When did Kobe have a finals remotely comparable to LeBron in 2012 or 2016 lol? Never.

2012 wasn't even a real season and the heat got gifted the boston series by the refs. KG still says it was rigged to this day. can't even count that colluded BS

2016 kyrie carried the first 3 cavs wins before the games became 20 point blow outs. then kyrie hit the series winner. sorry but thats nowhere close to kobes 2009 legit finals mvp with zero asterisks

[RRR3]

d-duh-uhh-uhhh
:lol

[John_Connor]

Kobe's best season is 2006 and he still finished behind Bron in mvp voting points.


If gasol doesn't get traded to the Lakers Kobe wins 0 MVP awards for his entire career.

because 8 voters left him off the ballot. if you think the mvp means whos the best then lebron hasn't been the best player in the nba in a decade

[ImKobe]

Yes? When did Kobe have a finals remotely comparable to LeBron in 2012 or 2016 lol? Never.

'09 is easily just as good if you leave out your dumb bias. Bran was horrible for half of that '16 series while Kobe was consistent to his averages and didn't need suspensions/injuries to finally get going. 32/6/7 is also comparable to Bran's 29/10/7 vs OKC. Both won in 5 games and were the best player in the series by a wide margin, the Game Scores are close too.

[8Ball]

because 8 voters left him off the ballot. if you think the mvp means whos the best then lebron hasn't been the best player in the nba in a decade

LeBron has the most 1st place votes in the last decade.

Check mate.

[RRR3]

D-duhhh-uhhhh-uhhhh
:biggums:

[8Ball]

'09 is easily just as good if you leave out your dumb bias. Bran was horrible for half of that '16 series while Kobe was consistent to his averages and didn't need suspensions/injuries to finally get going. 32/6/7 is also comparable to Bran's 29/10/7 vs OKC. Both won in 5 games and were the best player in the series by a wide margin, the Game Scores are close too.

Bron averaged 38/8/8 vs that same Magic team in 2009.


Bron just outperforms Kobe everywhere, everytime.

[John_Connor]

'09 is easily just as good if you leave out your dumb bias. Bran was horrible for half of that '16 series while Kobe was consistent to his averages and didn't need suspensions/injuries to finally get going. 32/6/7 is also comparable to Bran's 29/10/7 vs OKC. Both won in 5 games and were the best player in the series by a wide margin, the Game Scores are close too.

don't say just as good

2009 kobe:

no collusion
no ring chasing
no rigged series
no superstar sidekick
no sidekick averaging MVP numbers
no bubble
no lockout
no superteam
no free Leastern trip to the finals
no do or die bail out shot
no stat padding
no suspensions
no purses
no roids



lebron will NEVER .... EVER.... do this

[RRR3]

This dude just compared Kobe tossing up bricks against the Magic in 09 (who LeBron played much better against btw) to LeBron's GOAT finals in 2016 :roll: :roll: :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

'09 is easily just as good if you leave out your dumb bias. Bran was horrible for half of that '16 series while Kobe was consistent to his averages and didn't need suspensions/injuries to finally get going. 32/6/7 is also comparable to Bran's 29/10/7 vs OKC. Both won in 5 games and were the best player in the series by a wide margin, the Game Scores are close too.

Jameer Nelson coming back for Orlando without a doubt hurt the Magic in the Finals, they were better in the playoffs without him.

[John_Connor]

Bron averaged 38/8/8 vs that same Magic team in 2009.


Bron just outperforms Kobe everywhere, everytime.

damn kobe beat the team that cucked your god in 5 LOL

[ImKobe]

:biggums:

so 32/6/7 isn't anywhere close to 29/10/7, got it.

And you think Kobe was horrible in 2010 Finals when he averaged 29 on ~53%TS while Bran's 25 ppg on ~53%TS in '13 is an all-timer. Lmao.

[John_Connor]

Jameer Nelson coming back for Orlando without a doubt hurt the Magic in the Finals, they were better in the playoffs without him.

imagine losing to fright coward in the Least to ruin a nike puppet campaign

[John_Connor]

This dude just compared Kobe tossing up bricks against the Magic in 09 (who LeBron played much better against btw) to LeBron's GOAT finals in 2016 :roll: :roll: :roll:

2009 kobe:

no collusion
no ring chasing
no rigged series
no superstar sidekick
no sidekick averaging MVP numbers
no bubble
no lockout
no superteam
no free Leastern trip to the finals
no do or die bail out shot
no stat padding
no suspensions
no purses
no roids


:lol

[ImKobe]

Jameer Nelson coming back for Orlando without a doubt hurt the Magic in the Finals, they were better in the playoffs without him.

And Bynum being hurt for every Playoff run didn't make the Lakers worse? He averaged 6 ppg on 36% shooting in that Finals.

[8Ball]

Swap Bron's 2nd best player Mo Williams with Gasol in 2009 and Kobe doesm't even make the playoffs.

Kobe has been quite fortunate career wise with front office competence.

[1987_Lakers]

And Bynum being hurt for every Playoff run didn't make the Lakers worse? He averaged 6 ppg on 36% shooting in that Finals.

I saw all those Lakers games. They were better with Gasol/Odom getting majority of the minutes . Look what happened to them in 2011 when Bynum was starting in the playoffs.

[SATAN]

This dude just compared Kobe tossing up bricks against the Magic in 09 (who LeBron played much better against btw) to LeBron's GOAT finals in 2016 :roll: :roll: :roll:

:oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

1. the fact that you think only jordan should be compared to kobe

"kobe was more skilled than Jordan". The video YOU posted. Not me.


you taking a loss right off the bat

What loss? :lol

You're a very confused man sometimes.

[John_Connor]

:oldlol:



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-1qju6V1jLM/maxresdefault.jpg

the 2016 title was mostly due to kyrie. lebron stat padded in garbage time. proof

kyrie doubled lebrons output when the games weren't blow outs.

in the last 4 minutes of game 7 when everything was on the line. lebron disappeared. missing shot after shot after shot... then kyrie hit the biggest walk off championship winning shot in nba history.




cavs first victory:

0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft

game over... cavs never looked back


----------------------------



cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time

K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft (assist by L. James) +3 80-73
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96


game over.. cavs never looked back



-----------------------



cavs 3rd victory

0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim


game over ... cavs never looked back


all in all...

kyrie scored 51 points on 22 field goals in key moments
lebron scored 26 points on 12 field goals in key moments


https://library.sportingnews.com/2021-08/kyrie-game-winner_b06fvftpmuia107b69m36sljm.jpg


:oldlol:

[ImKobe]

This dude just compared Kobe tossing up bricks against the Magic in 09 (who LeBron played much better against btw) to LeBron's GOAT finals in 2016 :roll: :roll: :roll:

32 ppg on ~53%TS is not "tossing bricks", but a moron like you only looks at FG%. He was also elite on defense and had at least 29 points in every game with 4 games of 8 assists.

Bran pre-Dray suspension & Bogut/Iggy injuries averaged 24.8 ppg on 53.47%TS with 5.8 turnovers a game (first 4 games).

So yes, Kobe was far more consistent against the Magic.

[John_Connor]

What loss? :lol

a loss trying to say tmac is just being nice cause hes kobes friend when everyone elses friend also says kobe was the most skilled

[ShawkFactory]

a loss trying to say tmac is just being nice cause hes kobes friend when everyone elses friend also says kobe was the most skilled

No they don't.

You deflected from Jordan and brought up Lebron. Classic desperation move.

[1987_Lakers]

32 ppg on ~53%TS is not "tossing bricks", but a moron like you only looks at FG%. He was also elite on defense and had at least 29 points in every game with 4 games of 8 assists.

Bran pre-Dray suspension & Bogut/Iggy injuries averaged 24.8 ppg on 53.47%TS with 5.8 turnovers a game (first 4 games).

So yes, Kobe was far more consistent against the Magic.

53 TS% is not good. lol

[SATAN]

Only delusional fans of ball hogging think Kobe is the most skilled player ever.

[8Ball]

Bran wins finals MVP unanimously in 2016 and kobetards still talking about Kyrie.

Lmfao.


They haven't forgiven shaq for winning 3 fmvp in a row.

[John_Connor]

Only delusional fans of ball hogging think Kobe is the most skilled player ever.

but tons of players say it. how are they delusional fans and not his contemporaries/rivals giving honest opinions. its a popular opinion


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRPEZZEZYQ&ab_channel=JusticeForallForallJustice

[John_Connor]

Bran wins finals MVP unanimously in 2016 and kobetards still talking about Kyrie.

Lmfao.


They haven't forgiven shaq for winning 3 fmvp in a row.

he stat padded in garbage time to get mvp of that series. i just proved it. facts are facts

[John_Connor]

53 TS% is not good. lol

it is for 2009 for a wing player before defense was outlawed

[ImKobe]

53 TS% is not good. lol

It's not terrible either. He had one bad shooting game in that series and he still had 32/7/8 and was a +11. He was dominant if you watched that series.

[8Ball]

he stat padded in garbage time to get mvp of that series. i just proved it. facts are facts

Nobody intelligent agrees with your opinion.

All the voters voted otherwise.

Facts are facts.

[John_Connor]

No they don't.

You deflected from Jordan and brought up Lebron. Classic desperation move.

so you're saying all of lebrons friends and teammates saying kobes better than lebron isn't proof that guys aren't just biased in the league


it validates tmacs opinion. players tell the truth for the most part. only rare guys are bold faced liars like zeke

[1987_Lakers]

it is for 2009 for a wing player before defense was outlawed

Hedo & Rashard Lewis had a higher TS% than Kobe in that series. The fact that 2009 is viewed as Kobe's best or 2nd best Finals performance is pathetic.

[John_Connor]

41 points game 5
41 points game 6
27 points triple double game 7.


Kobe never a 3 game span that good in his entire career.



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-1qju6V1jLM/maxresdefault.jpg

the 2016 title was mostly due to kyrie. lebron stat padded in garbage time. proof

kyrie doubled lebrons output when the games weren't blow outs.

in the last 4 minutes of game 7 when everything was on the line. lebron disappeared. missing shot after shot after shot... then kyrie hit the biggest walk off championship winning shot in nba history.




cavs first victory:

0-2 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
0-4 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
0-6 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
4-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
4-19 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
6-21 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 20 ft
8-23 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
10-25+2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
10-30+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 24 ft
13-33+3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft

game over... cavs never looked back


----------------------------



cavs 2nd victory tied 61-61 at half time

K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft +2 63-61
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 67-64
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 69-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim +2 71-66
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 74-66
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft +2 77-71
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft (assist by L. James) +3 80-73
L. James makes 3-pt shot from 25 ft +3 89-80
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 9 ft +2 95-87
L. James makes 2-pt shot from 16 ft +2 97-88
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 101-92
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 8 ft +2 104-96
K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 14 ft +2 106-96
K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft +3 109-96


game over.. cavs never looked back



-----------------------



cavs 3rd victory

0-4 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 13 ft
0-6 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
0-8 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 3 ft
2-11 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 28 ft
2-13 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot at rim
7-20 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 18 ft
9-26 +2 L. James makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
13-34 +3 K. Irving makes 3-pt shot from 27 ft
18-37 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot from 17 ft
26-43 +2 K. Irving makes 2-pt shot at rim


game over ... cavs never looked back


all in all...

kyrie scored 51 points on 22 field goals in key moments
lebron scored 26 points on 12 field goals in key moments


https://library.sportingnews.com/2021-08/kyrie-game-winner_b06fvftpmuia107b69m36sljm.jpg


:oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/8c/f1/ce8cf122be3f27838839c0a5ead0a1a8.gif

[SATAN]

Kobe Bryant is dead and you stans are a disgrace to his legacy.

[8Ball]

LeBron led all players in all statistical categories in 2016.

Bron was Shaq ala 00-02 and Kyrie was like Kobe.

Same thing, no wonder Kobe fans are so resentful.

[8Ball]

Kobe Bryant is dead and you stans are a disgrace to his legacy.

His fans still try to push him higher than 11th all time but it never works.

[John_Connor]

Hedo & Rashard Lewis had a higher TS% than Kobe in that series. The fact that 2009 is viewed as Kobe's best or 2nd best Finals performance is pathetic.

who faced more defensive pressure. kobe bryant or those 2 guys

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2E79C8G/los-angeles-lakers-guard-kobe-bryant-is-surrounded-by-orlando-magic-center-dwight-howard-hedo-turkoglu-mickael-pietrus-and-rashard-lewis-as-he-tries-to-score-in-the-fourth-quarter-during-game-4-of-their-nba-finals-basketball-game-in-orlando-florida-june-11-2009-reuterskevin-kolczynski-united-states-sport-basketball-2E79C8G.jpg

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/11/03/13/2372312/7/ratio3x2_1800.jpg

https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/kpj/kpj24c-lakers.p0610.per9lg.jpg?w=620

https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/kpj/kpj24k-b78516433z120090609212356000gk8i8t0a1lg.jpg?w=620

https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/kpj/kpj24g-lakers.p0610.per10lg.jpg?w=620

[John_Connor]

Kobe Bryant is dead and you stans are a disgrace to his legacy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8h8IcI63g4&ab_channel=Broncos4life

[ImKobe]

Hedo & Rashard Lewis had a higher TS% than Kobe in that series. The fact that 2009 is viewed as Kobe's best or 2nd best Finals performance is pathetic.

Ok? And neither of them averaged even 19 ppg or were consistently doubled like KB.

[John_Connor]

His fans still try to push him higher than 11th all time but it never works.

https://image.ibb.co/cs3V8d/Screen_Shot_2018_07_23_at_2_06_53_PM.png

https://image.ibb.co/mJs7od/Screen_Shot_2018_07_23_at_2_05_48_PM.png

https://image.ibb.co/eQEnod/Screen_Shot_2018_07_23_at_2_08_28_PM.png




i know this was a while ago but surely back in 2018 lebron was higher than 12th

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

Ok? And neither of them averaged even 19 ppg or were consistently doubled like KB.

If he was smart like LeBron he would have passed when he was doubled instead of taking a retarded shot like he always did.

[8Ball]

Every all time list around planet earth has kobe at 11 and Bron either 1 or 2.

Its over.

[1987_Lakers]

[




i know this was a while ago


:roll:

[SATAN]

The opinions of casuals don't matter to us who know.

[ImKobe]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2015/-n3iLw.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2731833/kb3.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2731761/kbp1.gif

https://www.nba.com/lakers/sites/lakers/files/ezgif-1-75d2261bad.gif

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NauticalReadyHippopotamus-size_restricted.gif

[1987_Lakers]

Wow, look at that. 3 posts in 30 seconds with me and my "8ball alt."

There goes that theory that we are the same person.

[SATAN]

Every all time list around planet earth has kobe at 11 and Bron either 1 or 2.

Its over.

bUt TmAc AnD kG SaYz KoBe!! :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

If he was smart like LeBron he would have passed when he was doubled instead of taking a retarded shot like he always did.

He averaged 7.4 assists a game in the series lmao. He didn't pass enough now?

[ImKobe]

Wow, look at that. 3 posts in 30 seconds with me and my "8ball alt."

There goes that theory that we are the same person.

I'm sure it's tough to open up multiple browsers..

[John_Connor]

If he was smart like LeBron he would have passed when he was doubled instead of taking a retarded shot like he always did.

i've explained to you numerous times that difficult contested shot making is as good as a timeout to stop momentum or generate momentum for your own team. its why phil never had to call them. kobe controlled opposing team crowds



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx02W5pc7yQ&ab_channel=sburkha3



momentum is one of the biggest reasons teams win and lose in basketball

[John_Connor]

I'm sure it's tough to open up multiple browsers..

its steve. hes so happy right now cause i'm carrying this place so he can get his ad revenue pay cheque

[1987_Lakers]

He averaged 7.4 assists a game in the series lmao. He didn't pass enough now?

Only 2 assists in the game 7 where he shot 6-24.

:roll:

[RRR3]

The hilarious part is absolutely no one on ISH takes ImKobe or Kenny seriously about basketball they are just considered lolcows, everyone besides other Kobetards knows they’re braindead.

[RRR3]

Only 2 assists in the game 7 where he shot 6-24.

:roll:
6-24 lmfao typical Chuckbe

[John_Connor]

Every all time list around planet earth has kobe at 11 and Bron either 1 or 2.

Its over.

player all time lists all have kobe top 5 for the most part. your message board lists are all fake cause they ban kobe fans and media outlets don't hire kobe fans

[SATAN]

Only 2 assists in the game 7 where he shot 6-24.

:roll:

:oldlol:

[John_Connor]

6-24 lmfao typical Chuckbe


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-1qju6V1jLM/maxresdefault.jpg

2010 NBA finals Game 7:
3:09 left in 3rd - Kobe 2 point shot ( boston 56 - lakers 49 )
2:37 left in 3rd - Gasol 2 free throws ( boston 56 - lakers 51 )
2:21 left in 3rd - Kobe 11th rebound
1:10 left in 3rd - Odom 2 point layup off kobe pass ( boston 57 - lakers 53 )
11:43 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 57 - lakers 55 )
8:46 left in 4th - Kobe 3 points, fouled on shot ( boston 59 - lakers 58 )
7:29 left in 4th - Artest 3 point play ( boston 61 - lakers 61 )
6:13 left in 4th - fisher 3 pointer ( boston 64 - lakers 64 )
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 12th rebound
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points. fouled on shot ( boston 64 - Lakers 66 )
5:36 left in 4th - Kobe 13th rebound
5:23 left in 4th - Kobe 2 point jumpshot ( boston 64 - Lakers 68 )
5:01 left in 4th - Kobe 14th rebound
4:39 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 64 - lakers 70 )
4:20 left in 4th - Kobe 15th rebound
3:21 left in 4th - Kobe 1 point, fouled on dunk attempt ( boston 66 - lakers 71 )
2:47 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 68 - lakers 73 )
2:20 left in 4th - loose ball foul Gasol 1 free throw ( boston 68 - lakers 74 )
1:30 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 70 - lakers 76 )
1:01 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Artests 3 pointer ( Boston 73 - Lakers 79 )
0:25 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points, fouled on drive attempt ( boston 76 - lakers 81 )
0:11 left in 4th - intentional foul on vujacic ( boston 79 - lakers 83 )

[ImKobe]

Only 2 assists in the game 7 where he shot 6-24.

:roll:

So now we're going from '09 to '10? You can't even be consistent..

Bran's had plenty of 25% or worse games against Boston.

[RRR3]

Whenever the finals started you could count on Kobe to have an epic brickfest and be bailed out by his elite frontcourt.

[John_Connor]

:oldlol:

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/19/rajon-rondo-just-figured-out-how-kobe-bryant-beat-the-boston-celtics-in-game-7-of-the-2010-nba-finals/

https://i.ibb.co/Nm0P6qc/Screen-Shot-2022-05-06-at-9-56-54-PM.png

https://i.ibb.co/zPtBHr2/Screen-Shot-2022-05-06-at-9-57-04-PM.png

[John_Connor]

So now we're going from '09 to '10? You can't even be consistent..

Bran's had plenty of 25% or worse games against Boston.

they conceded 2009 is superior to anything lebrons ever done

:lol

2009 kobe:

no collusion
no ring chasing
no rigged series
no superstar sidekick
no sidekick averaging MVP numbers
no bubble
no lockout
no superteam
no free Leastern trip to the finals
no do or die bail out shot
no stat padding
no suspensions
no purses
no roids

[1987_Lakers]

So now we're going from '09 to '10? You can't even be consistent..

Bran's had plenty of 25% or worse games against Boston.

You should be the last one to talk about being consistent. You said every role player during the bubble played better because there wasn't any fans, but when I brought up Danny Green you disapeared.

You also said CP3 lost with HCA "over and over again", once I showed you he didn't you quickly back tracked.

And yes, him shooting 52.5 TS% in the '09 Finals tells me he should have passed more.

[John_Connor]

Whenever the finals started you could count on Kobe to have an epic brickfest and be bailed out by his elite frontcourt.

0-16 as lead dog pau gasol = elite front court

6ppg finals bynum = elite front court

0 allstar games, 0 all nba teams tranny banging crack pipe odumb = elite front court

:lol

[John_Connor]

You should be the last one to talk about being consistent. You said every role player during the bubble played better because there wasn't any fans, but when I brought up Danny Green you disapeared.

You also said CP3 lost with HCA "over and over again", once I showed you he didn't you quickly back tracked.

"they were all on drugs" - jr smith

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

"they were all on drugs" - jr smith

:lol

NBA players smoke weed, breaking news.

[SATAN]

"they were all on drugs" - jr smith

:lol

This is not a quality reply.

[ImKobe]

You should be the last one to talk about being consistent. You said every role player during the bubble played better because there wasn't any fans, but when I brought up Danny Green you disapeared.

You also said CP3 lost with HCA "over and over again", once I showed you he didn't you quickly back tracked.

And yes, him shooting 52.5 TS% in the '09 Finals tells me he should have passed more.

Danny Green has been an inconsistent shooter almost his entire career. Doesn't mean that players didn't shoot out of their mind in the bubble. Rondo became an elite 3PT shooter in the POs. Murray and Mitchell were trading 50-pt games in the Playoffs, Jimmy Butler put up peak Bran numbers in the Finals etc. Danny Green is not winning you an argument in anything.

I ain't backtracked on shit. You made injury excuses for CP0 blowing close-out/elimination games on his home court.

And lol @ "he should have passed more", I guess winning the series & the chip wasn't enough for a "Lakers fan", huh?

[8Ball]

Every kobe discussion ends the same way.

Poor kenny.

[1987_Lakers]

And lol @ "he should have passed more", I guess winning the series & the chip wasn't enough for a "Lakers fan", huh?

Says the guy who had a meltdown when his own team won in 2020.

You said CP3 lost in the 1st/2nd round with HCA "over and over again". When in reality he only lost with HCA in those rounds like 2-3 times throughout his career.

You backtracked.

[SATAN]

Danny Green has been an inconsistent shooter almost his entire career. Doesn't mean that players didn't shoot out of their mind in the bubble. Rondo became an elite 3PT shooter in the POs. Murray and Mitchell were trading 50-pt games in the Playoffs, Jimmy Butler put up peak Bran numbers in the Finals etc.

And LeBron beat them all with Danny Green on his team. Interesting.

[John_Connor]

NBA players smoke weed, breaking news.

breaking news

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1Dtd_fWEAwMfOR?format=jpg&name=large


breaking news

https://i.ibb.co/y5kZ4c9/Screen-Shot-2022-05-06-at-10-10-53-PM.png


breaking news


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ougMITHKVW8&ab_channel=ChroniclesOfJudah144


breaking news

https://i.ibb.co/X28nKqG/Screen-Shot-2022-05-06-at-10-12-07-PM.png



just weed though

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

And LeBron beat them all. Interesting.

He doesn't realize him saying opponents were playing better than usual only makes the 2020 title run more impressive.

Meanwhile one of our own role players Danny Green was getting death threats because he was playing so bad.

[John_Connor]

This is not a quality reply.

this is not a quality alt Smoke117

[John_Connor]

Every kobe discussion ends the same way.

Poor kenny.

with me reeling in 10+ pages of tears

you damn right


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVmeeYwEiQw&ab_channel=McFly


enjoy the money steve

[ImKobe]

Says the guy who had a meltdown when his own team won in 2020.

You said CP3 lost in the 1st/2nd round "over and over again". When in reality he only lost with HCA in those rounds like 2-3 times throughout his career.

You backtracked.



2008 - HCA
2014 - chokes on the road and loses elimination game at home
2015 - chokes up 3 - 1 with a 25 pt 2nd half lead AT HOME
2016 - loses in 6 with HCA
2017 - loses in 7 with HCA
2020 - loses to Harden (with WB injured) in the bubble
2021 - loses up 2 - 0 with HCA

4 losses with HCA, 1 with no HCA for either team, two losses without HCA but had the opportunity to win both series & choked big time. Choking a 3 - 1 lead counts as losing with HCA. Blowing game 5 against OKC with Game 6 at home is a choke.

CP0 is a choker. Get over it.

[1987_Lakers]

2008 - HCA
2014 - chokes on the road and loses elimination game at home
2015 - chokes up 3 - 1 with a 25 pt 2nd half lead AT HOME
2016 - loses in 6 with HCA
2017 - loses in 7 with HCA
2020 - loses to Harden (with WB injured) in the bubble
2021 - loses up 2 - 0 with HCA

4 losses with HCA, 1 with no HCA for either team, two losses without HCA but had the opportunity to win both series & choked big time. Choking a 3 - 1 lead counts as losing with HCA. Blowing game 5 against OKC with Game 6 at home is a choke.

CP0 is a choker. Get over it.

This is called backtracking. Cp3 didn't have HCA in 2014, 2015 and 2020 like you previously said. Thanks for exposing yourself.

You also ignored the injuries that took place in 2016 and 2017.

[ImKobe]

This is called backtracking. Cp3 didn't have HCA in 2014, 2015 and 2020. Thanks for exposing yourself.

So 2014 or 2015 wasn't a choke? Did his opponent have HCA or their 2nd best player healthy in 2020?

Moron lmao.

[1987_Lakers]

So 2014 or 2015 wasn't a choke? Did his opponent have HCA or their 2nd best player healthy in 2020?

Moron lmao.

"CP3 lost in the 1st/2nd round with HCA over and over again". - ImKobe

Moron.

[ImKobe]

"CP3 lost in the 1st/2nd round with HCA over and over again". - ImKobe

Moron.

He did choke in the 1st and 2nd round over & over again until he started colluding and forced his way to stacked teams.

[1987_Lakers]

He did choke in the 1st and 2nd round over & over again until he started colluding and forced his way to stacked teams.

But what happened to you saying he "lost with HCA over and over again"

https://media1.giphy.com/media/YByNQrx0V4Gzv9CBSk/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115b4e3e6514dd9efb4ab281d4d7f5 b10bca8f22dc&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[ImKobe]

But what happened to you saying he "lost with HCA over and over again"

https://media1.giphy.com/media/YByNQrx0V4Gzv9CBSk/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115b4e3e6514dd9efb4ab281d4d7f5 b10bca8f22dc&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

4 HCA losses, bubble loss, choking close-out games at home, blowing 3 - 1 leads.. Your favorite player is a certified choke artist.

[1987_Lakers]

4 HCA losses, bubble loss, choking close-out games at home, blowing 3 - 1 leads.. Your favorite player is a certified choke artist.

Still better than this...

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/8c/f1/ce8cf122be3f27838839c0a5ead0a1a8.gif

[RRR3]

He doesn't realize him saying opponents were playing better than usual only makes the 2020 title run more impressive.

Meanwhile one of our own role players Danny Green was getting death threats because he was playing so bad.
He's just a very stupid poster, literally incapable of critical thought. Adorable seeing him try to argue with people who know what they're talking about.

[ImKobe]

He's just a very stupid poster, literally incapable of critical thought. Adorable seeing him try to argue with people who know what they're talking about.

Let's ignore how Dame, Murray, Mitchell, TJ Warren etc went off in the bubble and use Danny Green (who's perhaps the streakiest 3PT shooter ever) to make a point?

Imagine thinking that playing in an empty gym with 0 traveling is not an advantage for a lot of these guys lmao.

[SATAN]

LeBron beat them all.

[SouBeachTalents]

Let's ignore how Dame, Murray, Mitchell, TJ Warren etc went off in the bubble and use Danny Green (who's perhaps the streakiest 3PT shooter ever) to make a point?

Imagine thinking that playing in an empty gym with 0 traveling is not an advantage for a lot of these guys lmao.
So what's your explanation for Kawhi & Giannis, the reigning and future FMVP's, struggling in the bubble? Ditto their teams, both favored to make the Finals, bowing out in the 2nd round?

[RRR3]

So what's your explanation for Kawhi & Giannis, the reigning and future FMVP's, struggling in the bubble? Ditto their teams, both favored to make the Finals, bowing out in the 2nd round?
Dame averaged 24.3/3.5/4.3 in the bubble playoffs, that is well below his standards and ImKobe calls that "going off". Blatant lies as usual.

[ImKobe]

So what's your explanation for Kawhi & Giannis, the reigning and future FMVP's, struggling in the bubble? Ditto their teams, both favored to make the Finals, bowing out in the 2nd round?

They looked great until they started choking games against Denver. The pressure mounted on them by Game 7 and it was over. Doc was also a retard for playing Harrell when every stat showed us that he was killing their team.

[ImKobe]

Dame averaged 24.3/3.5/4.3 in the bubble playoffs, that is well below his standards and ImKobe calls that "going off". Blatant lies as usual.

So we're overlooking how he went off to get his team into the Playoffs with 39/4/10/2 averages? Oh, and we're also not taking into account that he got injured TWICE in the series. He had 34 and won Game 1, broke his finger in a blowout in Game 2 and only played 30 minutes, had 34/5/7 in Game 3 and injured his knee in Game 4 and wasn't able to finish the series.

And do I really have to go and dig up posts from 2020, when you guys weren't sure about the Lakers' chances in the first round? Bran stans were making excuses prior to the series... You morons used Avery Bradley not being there as an argument as to why the Lakers would be beatable LMFAO.

[Shooter]

How's this for reality?...

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/8c/f1/ce8cf122be3f27838839c0a5ead0a1a8.gif

Let's go home bois it's over

[John_Connor]

Still better than this...

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/8c/f1/ce8cf122be3f27838839c0a5ead0a1a8.gif

I finally click on this thread that completely died without me to see if there was a reason for me to carry it to 20 pages and this is what I see. you're such a lazy poster steven

this is why you can't ban me. I carried your entire posting career

[John_Connor]

Let's go home bois it's over

I guess this thread shoulda ended on page 2, page 3, page 4, page 5, page 6, page 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 cause that's how many times 1987Spammer low IQ posted it lol

how he hasn't been banned even one time in 15 years is clear cut proof he's a Steve alt

[Shooter]

Here are 12be's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games

[SATAN]

1987_Lakers drove this dude insane. :lol

[8Ball]

1987_Lakers drove this dude insane. :lol

Its specifically 1987_Lakers that drives him crazy. There has to be some sort of long time history between those two.

[RRR3]

Its specifically 1987_Lakers that drives him crazy. There has to be some sort of long time history between those two.
1987 always owns him in LeBron Kobe debates and Kenny can’t stand it.

[bizil]

When you combine scoring skillset, handles, passing, and defense as a package, Mamba IS the most skilled player ever. MOST SKILLED doesn't mean the best player ever. Skill is about how deep your bag of tools is. Most skilled scorer comes down to Kyrie, KD,and Mamba. But Kobe's floor game (passing, defense,rebounding his position as a package) is hands down superior to KD and Kyrie. So when you look at it like that, Kobe as the MOST SKILLED player ever makes a lot of sense. And a peak T Mac would rank VERY HIGH when it comes to overall skill. Like top five caliber shit among the perimeter players.

[Cold soul]

T-Mac is right Kobe is the most skilled NBA player of all time.

[Axe]

Op banned yet again? :(

[Axe]

Its specifically 1987_Lakers that drives him crazy. There has to be some sort of long time history between those two.
Believe it or not, despite some hostility between the two they seem to be intimate in discussing any topics not involving kobe and lebron. Lol.

[2much_knowledge]

And paul pierce, chauncey and jalen rose agreed.

[BarberSchool]

Kobe did everything Michael did, he just did it slightly more beautifully, at a lower efficiency.

[Bronbron23]

Surely that skill led to numerous great Finals performances.

He was in the tougher conference. If Bron was in the west his whole career he'd only have 4 finals appearance.

[GimmeThat]

Kobe did everything Michael did, he just did it slightly more beautifully, at a lower efficiency.

Kobe didn't use as much elevation, which coincidently, made it more popular.

[HoopologyPhD]

Kobe was a great leaper but had difficulty with landing.

[Hey Yo]

He was in the tougher conference. If Bron was in the west his whole career he'd only have 4 finals appearance.

Give LeBron 1997-2004 Shaq from his rookie year in Cleveland and see how many Finals appearances and titles.

Kobe wasn't even good enough to start until his 3rd season.

[ImKobe]

Give LeBron 1997-2004 Shaq from his rookie year in Cleveland and see how many Finals appearances and titles.

Kobe wasn't even good enough to start until his 3rd season.

You're ignoring all the important factors here like the rules in the late 90s/early 2000s, the physicality of the opposing defenses, his limited shooting range in the first half of his career, him not being as good of a defender as KB early on in his career, his fit in the triangle, playing in a tougher Conference etc. KB and Shaq were an ideal fit, I'm not so sure you're getting the same result with Bran. Doesn't necessarily mean that young KB is a better player than young Bran, but the fit is a big issue here for me, especially if you're talking about the version of Bran that shot 32% from 10-16 ft and 37.7% on long 2s for his first 7 seasons.

[8Ball]

Give LeBron 1997-2004 Shaq from his rookie year in Cleveland and see how many Finals appearances and titles.

Kobe wasn't even good enough to start until his 3rd season.

If you give any top 10 player prime Shaq from their rookie season to year 8 I think they win more than 3 easily.

Bird, Magic, Jordan, Bran, Duncan.

For sure.

[Cold soul]

Kobe did everything Michael did, he just did it slightly more beautifully, at a lower efficiency.

Truth MJ was stronger and more athletic than Kobe was he was just more athletic force but in terms of skills Kobe is slightly over MJ.

[j3lademaster]

Believe it or not, despite some hostility between the two they seem to be intimate in discussing any topics not involving kobe and lebron. Lol.1987_Lakers also thinks the world is a better place with the KKK in charge?