Currently reading Pippen’s book

[Ne 1]

I’m on chapter 13. In this chapter, he mentions that the refs came back later on and told Pipp that Hue Hollins had screwed up that with that call. He also talks about basically being robbed of a chance to play for a title because the Bulls were 4-1 against the Pacers that season and they had a good chance of taking that series. He said they would’ve had a shot at Houston that year too.

He also asked what would MJ’s legacy be like if the Bulls managed to win a ring without him? It’s funny that he puts that in his book because I’ve spoken on that scenario many of times. We all know why the refs prevented it. Pipp would’ve emerged out of MJ’s shadow and the world would no longer be able to force the idea that MJ was the greatest ever. Now that I think about it, when the last dance dropped the country was on lock down. That was a golden opportunity for them to brainwash a whole new generation of people who never saw MJ play and forcefeed another bullshit narrative that was never true from the start. Mostly all that shit came at Pipp’s expense.

With the way the media hyped up MJ, you’d think the Bulls didn’t stand a chance going into the ‘94 season. He said in his book that nobody expected them to win that many games. They were undefeated at home in the playoffs without their top player. You can’t name one team who had that type of success without their best player.

[Kblaze8855]

I just broke that up into paragraphs I didn’t edit any of the words if you’re wondering.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Pippen is the best defender I've ever seen and Jordan is the best offensive player I've ever seen. They both deserved each other. Both their legacy also kind of depends on the other.

[bison]

Is Pippen the most ungrateful 'star' in the history of the NBA? Pippen doesn't get 6 rings, HOF and NBA Top 50 if he never plays with Jordan. He would just be a Kendall Gill level player and eventual 4th option behind Payton, Kemp and Schrempf if he stayed drafted with the Sonics How ungrateful of him to put out books and interviews minimizing Jordan.

[Full Court]

Pippen is the best defender I've ever seen and Jordan is the best offensive player I've ever seen. They both deserved each other. Both their legacy also kind of depends on the other.

Jordan and Pippen are probably the greatest duo the game has seen.


Is Pippen the most ungrateful 'star' in the history of the NBA? Pippen doesn't get 6 rings, HOF and NBA Top 50 if he never plays with Jordan. He would just be a Kendall Gill level player and eventual 4th option behind Payton, Kemp and Schrempf if he stayed drafted with the Sonics How ungrateful of him to put out books and interviews minimizing Jordan.

Yeah, he just comes off like a bitter Bronie now.

[GimmeThat]

Pippen would have been called the most skilled and not flashy in street pick up game during his era

[GimmeThat]

With the way the media hyped up MJ, you’d think the Bulls didn’t stand a chance going into the ‘94 season. He said in his book that nobody expected them to win that many games. They were undefeated at home in the playoffs without their top player. You can’t name one team who had that type of success without their best player.

in todays era, fans are actually allowed to taunt and heckle players at the game.

[Axe]

Pippen actually had more playoff success than his renowned teammate jordan. He's not just as prominent as those 1st option atgs.

[97 bulls]

Is Pippen the most ungrateful 'star' in the history of the NBA? Pippen doesn't get 6 rings, HOF and NBA Top 50 if he never plays with Jordan. He would just be a Kendall Gill level player and eventual 4th option behind Payton, Kemp and Schrempf if he stayed drafted with the Sonics How ungrateful of him to put out books and interviews minimizing Jordan.

Honestly? Who benefitted more? There's no guarantee that the world wouldve seen Jordan in the same light without Pippen. I don't think he'd be as successful simply because just about any player you'd put in Pippen's place, probably wouldn't be willing to play second fiddle their hole career to Jordan and help cement his teammates legacy at the expense of his own.

Pippen was about one thing and one thing only. WINNING!!!! He didn’t care about personal glory, stats and accolades. Now, I'm sure he looks back on how much disrespect he's recieved and he realizes he should've left to blaze his own trail. I'm happy he didn't. And I appreciate his sacrifice. That's why I defend him so adamantly.

[ImKobe]

They still wouldn't have won a championship. If Ewing outplayed Pippen in the semis, what would have Hakeem done to him in the Finals?

Pippen is a sore loser. Maybe the Bulls win the series if he doesn't play like shit on offense almost every game? Always blaming someone else but him. He quit on his own damn team because Phil went with Kukoc on the last shot. He didn't have anyone's respect after that.

[TheGoatest]

"We felt like Charles Smith was fouled the previous year. Maybe things evened out." - Hubert Davis

In other words, Hubert Davis himself admitted that the call in 1994 was basically a payback call for a crap non-call the Bulls got called in their favor in 1993.
And it all had to do with whether jordon was on the team or not. The fact of the matter was that the 1994 Knicks were a more marketable team than the Bulls without jordon and his legions of extremist stans. Hence, those 55 win without jordon Bulls got screwed. They definitely would've made the finals. But they would've lost against the Rockets since they had no answer for Hakeem. They would've lost against Hakeem with jordon as well though. Hakeem was 6-0 against the 61, 67 and 57 win Bulls in their first three-peat seasons, and he constantly bullied jordon by blocking his shots in the clutch and in general.

[97 bulls]

They still wouldn't have won a championship. If Ewing outplayed Pippen in the semis, what would have Hakeem done to him in the Finals?

Pippen is a sore loser. Maybe the Bulls win the series if he doesn't play like shit on offense almost every game? Always blaming someone else but him. He quit on his own damn team because Phil went with Kukoc on the last shot. He didn't have anyone's respect after that.

Pippen ran the offense, anchored the defense, and was the Bulls best scorer, while leading the Bulls in scoring, rebounding, assists, and steals, playing against the number one defense in the league in the New York Knicks. Becssue of that, the Bulls beat the Knicks in just about every category. Except rebounding. What killed the Bulls was rebounding. Had they outrebounded the Knicks, they win that series.

[ImKobe]

Pippen ran the offense, anchored the defense, and was the Bulls best scorer playing against the number one defense in the league in the New York Knicks. Becssue of that, the Bulls beat the Knicks in just about every category. Except rebounding. What killed the Bulls was rebounding. Had they outrebounded thr Knicks, they win that series.

He wasn't the best scorer against the Knicks. Grant and BJ both did a lot better. Obviously the Knicks threw their defense at Scottie, but he wasn't good enough to beat that pressure like Jordan to win the series. Knicks only outrebounded the Bulls by 9 in a 7-game series. I think not having a #1 option who could be consistent on offense was a bigger issue for the Bulls, because all the numbers are close in that series, but look at all the close losses and how badly Scottie shot in them.

[97 bulls]

He wasn't the best scorer against the Knicks. Grant and BJ both did a lot better. Obviously the Knicks threw their defense at Scottie, but he wasn't good enough to beat that pressure like Jordan to win the series. Knicks only outrebounded the Bulls by 9 in a 7-game series. I think not having a #1 option who could be consistent on offense was a bigger issue for the Bulls, because all the numbers are close in that series, but look at all the close losses and how badly Scottie shot in them.

That’s your problem bro. You basing your assessments solely on stats. The only reason the rebounding numbers were that close was because the Bulls out rebounded the Knicks in game 6 52-35. Armstrong and Grant were efficient. But they weren’t the number 2 Jordan had in a Scottie Pippen. Hell They were Jordan’s 3rd and arguably 5th best players on the first 3pt.

And why ignore what I said about what Pippen had to do in that series? If Pippen just focused solely on scoring, and baby sits his field goal percentage, the Bulls probably lose in 5 games. And let’s not forget this is the same Knicks team that flummoxed Jordan the year before. The difference is he had Pippen and Grant and Armstrong to help him out.

[3ba11]

Everyone says that Pippen's book is a bunch of lies.

Pippen said that MJ didn't pass or play defense except MJ averaged more assists than Pippen and got more DPOY votes every year

That's clear-cut proof of lies

[TheGoatest]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdOzWd6XEAAkFpW.jpg

I think the spatial distance between The Great Scott Pippen and Hubert Davis after Davis released the shot would cost like $50 million in terms of New York real estate prices. You could build a skyscraper full of penthouse apartments on that massive chunk of soil. :oldlol:

[3ba11]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdOzWd6XEAAkFpW.jpg

I think the spatial distance between The Great Scott Pippen and Hubert Davis after Davis released the shot would cost like $50 million in terms of New York real estate prices. :oldlol:


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Forget the lies in a book - LET'S LOOK AT THE TAPE

Pippen hacks the shit out of Hubert:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2021/LCBZJA.gif



Here's what Pippen did right BEFORE the dumb foul on Hubert Davis - he passes up a huge clearout and gives it to BJ for a rushed shot:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/_p33FZ.gif



Phil was pissed at Pippen after that - he already knew that Pippen couldn't be trusted when it mattered and that he should've gone with Kukoc again:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/8uUPI_.gif


94' Pippen was outplayed by Ewing in the 2nd Round and Reggie Miller outplayed him against common playoff opponents 5 of 5 times (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493657-Reggie-Miller-and-Pippen-faced-the-same-opponent-in-the-playoffs-6-times), while Pippen is 0/6 in reaching Horry-level in the Finals (0/6 in reaching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499833-Comparing-Pippen-s-6-Finals-performances-to-peak-Horry-performance-(95-Finals)))..

If he can't outplay Ewing, Miller or Horry, how can he beat those teams??.. He already lost to Ewing because Ewing outplayed him, and Miller/Horry have a history of out-performing him against the same playoff opponent or in the Finals - so it's preposterous to think he could beat Miller or Horry/Hakeem when he never played as well as them and couldn't even beat Ewing.

So Pippen was just a low-producing bum that was inflated by the winning spotlight.. He's the only sidekick that was carried in every series (never led or co-led) and never dominated.

He's an Iggy-caliber performer that the winning spotlight inflated to an all-time ranking.. If you can't show me where he dominated and played at a top 50 level, then he's a fraud propped up by the winning spotlight.

[TheGoatest]

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Forget the lies in a book - LET'S LOOK AT THE TAPE

Pippen hacks the shit out of Hubert:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2021/LCBZJA.gif



Here's what Pippen did right BEFORE the dumb foul on Hubert Davis - he passes up a huge clearout and gives it to BJ for a rushed shot:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/_p33FZ.gif



Phil was pissed at Pippen after that - he already knew that Pippen couldn't be trusted when it mattered and that he should've gone with Kukoc again:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/8uUPI_.gif


94' Pippen was outplayed by Ewing in the 2nd Round and Reggie Miller outplayed him against common playoff opponents 5 of 5 times (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493657-Reggie-Miller-and-Pippen-faced-the-same-opponent-in-the-playoffs-6-times), while Pippen is 0/6 in reaching Horry-level in the Finals (0/6 in reaching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499833-Comparing-Pippen-s-6-Finals-performances-to-peak-Horry-performance-(95-Finals)))..

If he can't outplay Ewing, Miller or Horry, how can he beat those teams??.. He already lost to Ewing because Ewing outplayed him, and Miller/Horry have a history of out-performing him against the same playoff opponent or in the Finals - so it's preposterous to think he could beat Miller or Horry/Hakeem when he never played as well as them and couldn't even beat Ewing.

So Pippen was just a low-producing bum that was inflated by the winning spotlight.. He's the only sidekick that was carried in every series (never led or co-led) and never dominated.

He's an Iggy-caliber performer that the winning spotlight inflated to an all-time ranking.. If you can't show me where he dominated and played at a top 50 level, then he's a fraud propped up by the winning spotlight.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdOzWd6XEAAkFpW.jpg

I think the spatial distance between The Great Scott Pippen and Hubert Davis after Davis released the shot would cost like $50 million in terms of New York real estate prices. You could build a skyscraper full of penthouse apartments on that massive chunk of soil. :oldlol:

[tpols]

Its an absurd premise to make that you "led" a title team when your team was 1 shot away from being down 0-3 in the 2nd round. And then ultimately lost.

And then to say you'd beat Reggie? And HAKEEM after??

If I ever met Scottie pippen and he said this shit to me in person I would have to slap him.

[3ba11]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdOzWd6XEAAkFpW.jpg

I think the spatial distance between The Great Scott Pippen and Hubert Davis after Davis released the shot would cost like $50 million in terms of New York real estate prices. You could build a skyscraper full of penthouse apartments on that massive chunk of soil. :oldlol:


Pippen hacked him after the release, which is a foul


https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2021/LCBZJA.gif



Here's the announcer:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FbvWSZQkY&t=01m28s

[ImKobe]

Pippen hacked him after the release, which is a foul


https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2021/LCBZJA.gif



Here's the announcer:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FbvWSZQkY&t=01m28s

Clearly makes contact after the release, which is a foul.

MJ haters grasping at straws.

[Full Court]

Pippen hacked him after the release, which is a foul


https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2021/LCBZJA.gif



Here's the announcer:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FbvWSZQkY&t=01m28s

Lol. GoatTits is an undeniable idiot. That's a clear, cut-and-dry foul. It's not even debatable.

Maybe GoatTits is Pippen's ISH username. It would explain a lot...

[3ba11]

Its an absurd premise to make that you "led" a title team when your team was 1 shot away from being down 0-3 in the 2nd round. And then ultimately lost.

And then to say you'd beat Reggie? And HAKEEM after??

If I ever met Scottie pippen and he said this shit to me in person I would have to slap him.


Ewing outplayed Pippen so the Bulls lost

And we know that Miller would outplay Pippen because he outplayed Pippen 6/6 times against the same playoff opponent...

And Pippen would meet Horry in the Finals, where he's 0/6 in matching Horry's performance in the 95' Finals

So he didn't even beat Ewing, yet he's claiming that he would've beaten Miller (who always outplays him) and Horry (who he never matched on the Finals level)

The guy is delusional

[Cyrus334]

Honestly? Who benefitted more? There's no guarantee that the world wouldve seen Jordan in the same light without Pippen. I don't think he'd be as successful simply because just about any player you'd put in Pippen's place, probably wouldn't be willing to play second fiddle their hole career to Jordan and help cement his teammates legacy at the expense of his own.

Pippen was about one thing and one thing only. WINNING!!!! He didn’t care about personal glory, stats and accolades. Now, I'm sure he looks back on how much disrespect he's recieved and he realizes he should've left to blaze his own trail. I'm happy he didn't. And I appreciate his sacrifice. That's why I defend him so adamantly.
Preach.

It's not like he refused to go back into a game because he was salty his coach drew up a play for another player to take the last shot instead of him.

Oh wait :lol

[ImKobe]

Preach.

It's not like he refused to go back into a game because he was salty his coach drew up a play for another player to take the last shot instead of him.

Oh wait :lol

Oops.

[97 bulls]

Preach.

It's not like he refused to go back into a game because he was salty his coach drew up a play for another player to take the last shot instead of him.

Oh wait :lol

That's hindsight. He felt he gave the team the best chance to win. He even said he would've been cool inbounding the Ball.

Jackson did the same thing to Jordan in the 98 Finals game 5. The difference was Jordan sabotaged the play and missed.


https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxSC31ShQSeXpiCRtVPjsA1WFo0t46eKZj

[dankok8]

The 1993 Bulls were unmotivated with nothing to prove and going through the motions in the regular season whereas the 1994 Bulls had a chip on their shoulder to prove they were still a great team without MJ. And even then, the 1993 Bulls were clearly much better when looking at statistical metrics.

1993 Bulls: +6.19 SRS (4th), +6.9 NetRtg (2nd), 112.9 ORtg (2nd), 106.1 DRtg (7th)
1994 Bulls: +2.87 SRS (11th), +3.3 NetRtg (11th), 106.1 ORtg (14th), 102.7 DRtg (6th)

Teams that are 11th in SRS and NetRtg very very rarely win titles. Without Jordan, the Bulls basically went from a historically great offensive team to an average one. If anything, the kind of short-sighted logic by some folks in this thread only props up Jordan's GOAT case.

[ShawkFactory]

Clearly makes contact after the release, which is a foul.

MJ haters grasping at straws.

It's an obvious foul now but those types of fouls were very rarely called back then, thus the outrage afterwards. It was a really big call that changed the outcome of a series that was pretty much dead even.

[3ba11]

Many misconception itt

[3ba11]

:facepalm:

[3ba11]

It's an obvious foul now





HOF announcer Hubie Brown said it was a clear-cut hack right after it happened on live TV:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FbvWSZQkY&t=01m28s


So you're just lying again to continue the fraudulent Lebron goat case - it's sad - you're brainwashed






changed the outcome of a series that was pretty much dead even.





The Pippen foul on Hubert only put the Bulls down 3-2 - they had every chance in Game 7 but Pippen choked again (8-24)..

So it was a clear-cut, solid win by the Knicks especially since the Kukoc miracle stopped a 3-0 lead

Pippen choked with the "sit out" game, the dumb foul, and Game 7, plus a bunch of other little chokes (https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/_p33FZ.gif) in between (21.7 on 40% overall with woat 4th quarter stats (https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/6q8E2n.gif))

If Pippen has woat 4th quarter stats in the 2nd Round, how will he compete with Reggie Miller in the ECF, especially when Miller owns Pippen (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493657-Reggie-Miller-and-Pippen-faced-the-same-opponent-in-the-playoffs-6-times)?.. It's impossible

[97 bulls]

It's an obvious foul now but those types of fouls were very rarely called back then, thus the outrage afterwards. It was a really big call that changed the outcome of a series that was pretty much dead even.

For all this talk about how violent the 90s were and how much physicality players were able to get away with, it's funny now how these very same posters will circle their wagons around that call.

[GOBB]

Pretty sure MJ is regarded at the goat without Pippen. Is Pippen considered as good as he is rated without MJ? Hard to say. Pippen is my fav player of all time. Perhaps greatest Robin on all time. Without MJ the perception from fans changes.

[97 bulls]

HOF announcer Hubie Brown said it was a clear-cut hack right after it happened on live TV:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FbvWSZQkY&t=01m28s
Hall of Fame Referee Darell Garretson said is was a bad call.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deseret.com/1994/10/13/19136065/garretson-says-call-on-pippen-in-playoff-game-was-terrible%3f_amp=true

All I can say is it was a terrible call," Darell Garretson said Wednesday. Garretson retired from active duty after last season and is now the NBA's chief of officiating. Referee Hue Hollins called Pippen for the foul with the Bulls leading the New York Knicks by one point with 2.1 seconds left.Oct 12, 1994









The Pippen foul on Hubert only put the Bulls down 3-2 - they had every chance in Game 7 but Pippen choked again (8-24)..
Unfortunately for Pippen, he didnt have the greatest rebounder ever in Rodman setting offensive rebound records thanks to Jordan chucking the ball to the tune of 5/19 in 94 like Jordan did in 96.

[97 bulls]

Pretty sure MJ is regarded at the goat without Pippen. Is Pippen considered as good as he is rated without MJ? Hard to say. Pippen is my fav player of all time. Perhaps greatest Robin on all time. Without MJ the perception from fans changes.

That would be a no. Jordan was regarded as a great individual talent but he was a ball hog. He didn't know how to win. We don't know what Jordan's and Pippens career would look like without each other. But let's stop this nonsense that somehow, Jordan was the GOAT in spite of Pippen. PIPPEN HELPED HIM ACHIEVE.

[ShawkFactory]

For all this talk about how violent the 90s were and how much physicality players were able to get away with, it's funny now how these very same posters will circle their wagons around that call.

Yea there’s a quote of Kerr, a guy who lived by shooting 3’s, that those types of plays weren’t ever called.

The Bulls actually outscored them in the series and if this is a no call then they’re going back home up 3-2. Huge play.

Calling that is kind of similar to Giannis getting called for a travel on a drive because he did what he usually does

[GOBB]

That would be a no. Jordan was regarded as a great individual talent but he was a ball hog. He didn't know how to win. We don't know what Jordan's and Pippens career would look like without each other. But let's stop this nonsense that somehow, Jordan was the GOAT in spite of Pippen. PIPPEN HELPED HIM ACHIEVE.

Were you born in 1997? MJ was getting that talk before Pippen nuts dropped. He was getting goat talks late 80’s my guy. Sorry you just had to be around at the time. MJ was the face and spearheaded the 92 Dream Team. MJ didn’t even achieve a 3 peat at this point. You’re wrong on this one. Pippen didn’t help him achieve no such status as goat. He been had this title.

[97 bulls]

Were you born in 1997? MJ was getting that talk before Pippen nuts dropped. He was getting goat talks late 80’s my guy. Sorry you just had to be around at the time. MJ was the face and spearheaded the 92 Dream Team. MJ didn’t even achieve a 3 peat at this point. You’re wrong on this one. Pippen didn’t help him achieve no such status as goat. He been had this title.

Lol. I'm almost 50 years old. No one thought Jordan to be the GOAT without those Championships. Wilt Chamberlain was doing farrrr more statistically and was never considered the GOAT and that's WITH multiple Championships.

[GimmeThat]

again, if you underrate Pippen, then your concept of pnr is extremely flawed.

[3ba11]

Everyone in the top 75 has top 75 performances - Dirk has 2011, or Wade has 2006, or Giannis has 2021, or Kawhi has 2019.

Where's Pippen's?.... Someone post Pippen's top 75 performance.


And if we can't find a top 75 all-time performance, how is he a top 75 player?

He should've been like Klay and left off - sidekicks with multiple chips are the most overrated player group ever - they're secondary-level producers that get all-time status due to winning spotlight.

[97 bulls]

Everyone in the top 75 has top 75 performances - Dirk has 2011, or Wade has 2006, or Giannis has 2021, or Kawhi has 2019.

Where's Pippen's?.... Someone post Pippen's top 75 performance.


And if we can't find a top 75 all-time performance, how is he a top 75 player?

He should've been like Klay and left off - sidekicks with multiple chips are the most overrated player group ever - they're secondary-level producers that get all-time status due to winning spotlight.

How bout the game where he saved Jordan's ass and shut down Magic and scored 20/5/10

[TheGoatest]

LMAO @ the jordon extremist alts switching accounts and trying to argue the non-foul that Hubert Davis himself admitted was a payback call was a legit foul. :roll:

https://thumbor.granitemedia.com/scottie-pippen-and-hubert-davis/WsFjAkibgG_0Oop09YBnQ3mcHZE=/800x0/filters:quality(80)/granite-web-prod/7d/58/7d58a02616ae4afbb982595fefe30021.jpg

[GOBB]

Lol. I'm almost 50 years old. No one thought Jordan to be the GOAT without those Championships. Wilt Chamberlain was doing farrrr more statistically and was never considered the GOAT and that's WITH multiple Championships.

You’re wrong. Go back and revisit the late 80’s when MJ won both MVP and DMVP in the same year. Pull up articles. The beautiful thing about the internet is you can actually research history. The fact you’re even questioning this either shows you really don’t remember much from back then or you are in denial of it.

[ImKobe]

How bout the game where he saved Jordan's ass and shut down Magic and scored 20/5/10

You mean when MJ put up 33/7/13 on 15/18 shooting? That game?

[Baller789]

LMAO @ the jordon extremist alts switching accounts and trying to argue the non-foul that Hubert Davis himself admitted was a payback call was a legit foul. :roll:

https://thumbor.granitemedia.com/scottie-pippen-and-hubert-davis/WsFjAkibgG_0Oop09YBnQ3mcHZE=/800x0/filters:quality(80)/granite-web-prod/7d/58/7d58a02616ae4afbb982595fefe30021.jpg
How would Jordan extremists know?

Youre the foremost expert with alts.

[97 bulls]

You mean when MJ put up 33/7/13 on 15/18 shooting? That game?

Yep cuz he wouldn't have been able to do that cuz Magic would've had his ass in foul trouble the whole night.