Harden bites the dust.. KD bites the dust... so mj is goat scorer... BY FAR

[3ba11]

Harden is just a ball-dominator with no pull-up capability off a hard dribble, while KD is physically weak and lacks power or post MOVES

Otoh, the goat scorer had no weaknesses - he could overpower, pull-up, post or shoot 40% threes whenever he had 4+ attempts

[Shogon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqUenEMwsdQ

[Shooter]

https://i.postimg.cc/CLPSgNvJ/Le-Lonely-at-the-top-7631.png

1. LeBron
2. Jordan
8. Durant

Looks about right. KD still has time.

[TheGoatest]

5 sub-.200 3pt% seasons
9 sub-.300 3pt% seasons

Jimmychael Dejordon and his 2 pointers are not welcome in today's era. Next. :roll:

[AlternativeAcc.]

We don't know what Jordan can do over a career if he doesn't:

A: quit in the middle of his prime to take a break
B: Play on teams wheres he's not the best playmaker or defender, which means much less responsibility and mental/physical stress
C: play in the the weakest, most diluted era of basketball in history

We simply do not know. He very well could've been a top 5 scorer ever, but theres no evidence for it, and all the data shows LeBron is the best in the toughest era. LeBron has sustained it over 20 years with no breaks, and while having wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more responsibilities.

Sorry 3ball

[Ne 1]

Jordan's 3s were a weakness and using the 4 or more attempts is irrelevant because it's such a small sample size.

And Jordan never had 4 attempts in a season his highest was 3.6 at 37%
His best 3p season was
3.2 attempts at 43%. He's had 3 seasons of 3 or more attempts and only hit 40% or more 1 time.

[3ba11]

Jordan's 3s were a weakness and using the 4 or more attempts is irrelevant because it's such a small sample size.

And Jordan never had 4 attempts in a season his highest was 3.6 at 37%
His best 3p season was
3.2 attempts at 43%. He's had 3 seasons of 3 or more attempts and only hit 40% or more 1 time.


Jordan shot well anytime he had more than bailout volume (more than 1.5 attempts)

This includes the 85-93' Playoffs (2 attempts at 35%), the 90' or 93' regular season (3 attempts at 36%), the 93' Playoffs (4 attempts at 39%) or the 92' Finals (5 attempts at 43%).

Notice how the percentage increases with volume - great shooting form will shoot better at higher volume (rhythm) - Jordan would have a shrug game every night at today's volumes (5-10 attempts per game).

[3ba11]

he's not the best playmaker or defender






DPOY VOTING

1988.... MJ (1st).... Pip (none)
1989.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1990.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1991.... MJ (7th).... Pip (7th)
1992.... MJ (3rd).... Pip (3rd)
1993.... MJ (2nd)... Pip (none)
1996.... MJ (5th).... Pip (2nd)
1997.... MJ (5th).... Pip (4th)
1998.... MJ (4th).... Pip (9th)


In addition to getting more DPOY votes than Pippen every year, Jordan averaged more assists than Pippen for their Finals career, playoff career and regular season career.

[ShawkFactory]

DPOY VOTING

1988.... MJ (1st).... Pip (none)
1989.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1990.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1991.... MJ (7th).... Pip (7th)
1992.... MJ (3rd).... Pip (3rd)
1993.... MJ (2nd)... Pip (none)
1996.... MJ (5th).... Pip (2nd)
1997.... MJ (5th).... Pip (4th)
1998.... MJ (4th).... Pip (9th)


In addition to getting more DPOY votes than Pippen every year, Jordan averaged more assists than Pippen for their Finals career, playoff career and regular season career.

From what it looks like here, once Pippen became prime level he won twice, MJ won twice, and they tied twice.

Pretty even there. In 94 Pippen was 3rd behind Robinson and dream.

[3ba11]

From what it looks like here, once Pippen became prime level he won twice, MJ won twice, and they tied twice.

Pretty even there. In 94 Pippen was 3rd behind Robinson and dream.


the gap in 93' clearly gives the edge to MJ

MJ blew Pippen away, while Pippen never did that to Jordan

So again, MJ was the best defender and guarded the opposing best player more often, while also being a far superior playmaker.. This is in addition to carrying the Bulls at unprecedented levels (scoring load)

[ShawkFactory]

the gap in 93' clearly gives the edge to MJ

MJ blew Pippen away, while Pippen never did that to Jordan

So again, MJ was the best defender and guarded the opposing best player more often, while also being a far superior playmaker.. This is that n addition to carrying the Bulls at unprecedented levels (scoring load)

:lol

You’re such a clown.

[3ba11]

:lol

You’re such a clown.


Sounds like a concession..

I'll take it

Have a good day bruh man

[ShawkFactory]

Sounds like a concession..

I'll take it

Have a good day bruh man
You’re always so happy to take the “Jesus Christ I don’t have time for this bullshit” concessions.

Enjoy :cheers:

[8Ball]

I proved that LeBron is the greatest scorer of all time already:


Not Jordan. Not Kareem. LeBron holds the official title of having scored the most points in NBA history on the NBA basketball court.


Jordan could not achieve this record.
Kareem held this record for 30 years until it was just broken by the greatest player / scorer of all time.


To surpass LeBron, the next human would have to:

Average 27ppg for 19 straight years averaging 71 games a season.
+
Average 27ppg for 19 straight playoffs with an average games played of 15 games per playoffs.

Impossible. Unbreakable.

[Ne 1]

Jordan shot well anytime he had more than bailout volume (more than 1.5 attempts)

This includes the 85-93' Playoffs (2 attempts at 35%), the 90' or 93' regular season (3 attempts at 36%), the 93' Playoffs (4 attempts at 39%) or the 92' Finals (5 attempts at 43%).

Notice how the percentage increases with volume - great shooting form will shoot better at higher volume (rhythm) - Jordan would have a shrug game every night at today's volumes (5-10 attempts per game).

Remind me who MJ was “overpowering” in the 80’s when one of his biggest stories is of how he had to bulk up?

MJ NEVER PLAYED ANYONE, during his winning years, that had anyone that had to make him work as a defender. There are NO great scorers at his position from his 6 winning 90’s years. NONE! Wait…I take that back before someone gets on here talking about Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, or even Clyde.. Hill and Richmond never were competitive. Clyde played in the West and I don’t think he holds any scoring records.

Today’s players are three level scorers that are explosive off the dribble and at the rim. Not only that, but there is at least 3 or more players like that on pretty much EVERY TEAM. Players have to be extraordinary to be in the league at the guard or wing position now. There’s no coming from a grocery store, John Starks, and starting in the league.

[ClipperRevival]

30.1 PPG reg season
33.4 PPG playoffs
33.6 PPG finals

10 scoring titles

The bar for ANYONE else is 30 points. For MJ, 30 points was the floor.

Certified, cemented & sealed. So easy being a fan of da GOAT.

https://c.tenor.com/c4DrmHtYcDEAAAAM/eddie-murphy-alcohol.gif

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif

[ClipperRevival]

I proved that LeBron is the greatest scorer of all time already:


Not Jordan. Not Kareem. LeBron holds the official title of having scored the most points in NBA history on the NBA basketball court.


Jordan could not achieve this record.
Kareem held this record for 30 years until it was just broken by the greatest player / scorer of all time.


To surpass LeBron, the next human would have to:

Average 27ppg for 19 straight years averaging 71 games a season.
+
Average 27ppg for 19 straight playoffs with an average games played of 15 games per playoffs.

Impossible. Unbreakable.

By your logic.

Pete Rose da GOAT
Emmitt Smith da GOAT
And if Oveckin breaks Gretzky's goals record, he da GOAT right?

Keep clinging to those longevity stats, it's cute. DOMINANCE is what matters.

:yaohappy:

[ClipperRevival]

Remind me who MJ was “overpowering” in the 80’s when one of his biggest stories is of how he had to bulk up?

MJ NEVER PLAYED ANYONE, during his winning years, that had anyone that had to make him work as a defender. There are NO great scorers at his position from his 6 winning 90’s years. NONE! Wait…I take that back before someone gets on here talking about Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, or even Clyde.. Hill and Richmond never were competitive. Clyde played in the West and I don’t think he holds any scoring records.

Today’s players are three level scorers that are explosive off the dribble and at the rim. Not only that, but there is at least 3 or more players like that on pretty much EVERY TEAM. Players have to be extraordinary to be in the league at the guard or wing position now. There’s no coming from a grocery store, John Starks, and starting in the league.

Bron not making the playoffs this year really did it for ya bro huh?

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[Spurs m8]

30.1 PPG reg season
33.4 PPG playoffs
33.6 PPG finals

10 scoring titles

The bar for ANYONE else is 30 points. For MJ, 30 points was the floor.

Certified, cemented & sealed. So easy being a fan of da GOAT.

https://c.tenor.com/c4DrmHtYcDEAAAAM/eddie-murphy-alcohol.gif

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif

30 in the non-inflated stats era.

Will never be matched

[Shooter]

I proved that LeBron is the greatest scorer of all time already:


Not Jordan. Not Kareem. LeBron holds the official title of having scored the most points in NBA history on the NBA basketball court.


Jordan could not achieve this record.
Kareem held this record for 30 years until it was just broken by the greatest player / scorer of all time.


To surpass LeBron, the next human would have to:

Average 27ppg for 19 straight years averaging 71 games a season.
+
Average 27ppg for 19 straight playoffs with an average games played of 15 games per playoffs.

Impossible. Unbreakable.

How sweet it is to have the unbreakable.

[Shooter]

30.1 PPG reg season
33.4 PPG playoffs
33.6 PPG finals

10 scoring titles

The bar for ANYONE else is 30 points. For MJ, 30 points was the floor.

Certified, cemented & sealed. So easy being a fan of da GOAT.

https://c.tenor.com/c4DrmHtYcDEAAAAM/eddie-murphy-alcohol.gif

https://c.tenor.com/wqnbvDqaGSEAAAAM/scared-brad-pitt.gif

7
6
3
1

And dont get me started on the rest

[ClipperRevival]

7
6
3
1

And dont get me started on the rest

27 PPG is the bar for LeGOAT. That's nice and worthy of top 5-7ish material but you in the room with da GOAT cutie. Minimum requirement is 30 PPG. And sorry Bron doesn't qualify.

Also, had KAJ played right out of HS like LeGOAT, he would've put that record way out of reach.

[Spurs m8]

27 PPG is the bar for LeGOAT. That's nice and worthy of top 5-7ish material but you in the room with da GOAT cutie. Minimum requirement is 30 PPG. And sorry Bron doesn't qualify.

Also, had KAJ played right out of HS like LeGOAT, he would've put that record way out of reach.

Bron struggles to put up Jordan's career average in a single season...in the inflated stats era too...I think he's done it twice in 19 years.

[3ba11]

Remind me who MJ was “overpowering” in the 80’s when one of his biggest stories is of how he had to bulk up?

MJ NEVER PLAYED ANYONE, during his winning years, that had anyone that had to make him work as a defender. There are NO great scorers at his position from his 6 winning 90’s years. NONE! Wait…I take that back before someone gets on here talking about Grant Hill, Mitch Richmond, or even Clyde.. Hill and Richmond never were competitive. Clyde played in the West and I don’t think he holds any scoring records.

Today’s players are three level scorers that are explosive off the dribble and at the rim. Not only that, but there is at least 3 or more players like that on pretty much EVERY TEAM. Players have to be extraordinary to be in the league at the guard or wing position now. There’s no coming from a grocery store, John Starks, and starting in the league.


Today's players don't score at all 3 levels - no one has the kind of impossible-to-guard mid-range game that everyone had back then - KD is a weak bitch and easy to lock down, while Harden has zero midrange.. ditto Tatum - his midrange is among the worst ever

So who is scoring at all 3 levels?.. Almost no one then or now..

Only Jordan, Bird, Clyde.... and Magic actually shot 39% on 4 attempts in 1990 and then shot like Lebron in 91' (32% or so)

So almost no one aside from Bird, MJ and maybe Kawhi can be elite at all 3 levels

[Shooter]

27 PPG is the bar for LeGOAT. That's nice and worthy of top 5-7ish material but you in the room with da GOAT cutie. Minimum requirement is 30 PPG. And sorry Bron doesn't qualify.

Also, had KAJ played right out of HS like LeGOAT, he would've put that record way out of reach.

PPG? :lol

I don't reward 1st round stat padders. Do you?
I don't reward quitters. Do you?

Totals. Always.

No one says most touchdowns per game.
No one says most homeruns per game.

Check mate.

[Spurs m8]

PPG? :lol

I don't reward 1st round stat padders. Do you?
I don't reward quitters. Do you?

You just reward losers...

Which makes sense....losers reward losers...

You fvcking basement dwelling, ISH living, dorito stained d1ck loser

[Shooter]

You just reward losers...

Which makes sense....losers reward losers...

You fvcking basement dwelling, ISH living, dorito stained d1ck loser

Points = scoring = winning

Check mate, Fakkit m8

[Full Court]

Points = scoring = winning

Check mate, Fakkit m8

Lol. Another low-IQ gem from this clown.

Points only = winning if you can hold the opposing team to fewer points, genius. It's kind of how basketball works.

"Points = scoring = winning"....how'd that formula work out for your hero Bronie, who was gunning for the scoring title and slacking off on defense all year? He almost won the scoring title you know. Oh wait, he ended up 11th seed in the lottery. :lol

I guess that just destroys your argument and makes you an idiot.

[Full Court]

The bar for ANYONE else is 30 points. For MJ, 30 points was the floor.



Wilt is a notable exception to this.

[8Ball]

By your logic.

Pete Rose da GOAT
Emmitt Smith da GOAT
And if Oveckin breaks Gretzky's goals record, he da GOAT right?

Keep clinging to those longevity stats, it's cute. DOMINANCE is what matters.

:yaohappy:

If Ovechkin breaks Gretzky's scoring record he will be the goat goal scorer yes.

Ovechkin did it in a much more competitive era of hockey.
Was amongst the most dominant scorers in his era.
Has the dominant scoring longevity.
Peak scoring.


Bron is a greater scorer than Jordan. I proved this already.

[8Ball]

27 PPG is the bar for LeGOAT. That's nice and worthy of top 5-7ish material but you in the room with da GOAT cutie. Minimum requirement is 30 PPG. And sorry Bron doesn't qualify.

Also, had KAJ played right out of HS like LeGOAT, he would've put that record way out of reach.

Once Bran surpasses Kareem Bran will hold the all time scoring title.

That's a fact Jordan can never change.

[Spurs m8]

Lol. Another low-IQ gem from this clown.

Points only = winning if you can hold the opposing team to fewer points, genius. It's kind of how basketball works.

"Points = scoring = winning"....how'd that formula work out for your hero Bronie, who was gunning for the scoring title and slacking off on defense all year? He almost won the scoring title you know. Oh wait, he ended up 11th seed in the lottery. :lol

I guess that just destroys your argument and makes you an idiot.

These guys don't even make sense lol

Bron scores a bunch and can't even make the play-in :roll:

Seems they've forgotten all about defense.

[j3lademaster]

By your logic.

Pete Rose da GOAT
Emmitt Smith da GOAT
And if Oveckin breaks Gretzky's goals record, he da GOAT right?

Keep clinging to those longevity stats, it's cute. DOMINANCE is what matters.

:yaohappy:
Gretzky played against stand-up goalies with significantly smaller gear. Even if we give the 80’s- early 90’s the benefit of the doubt and assume they were flat out better(which it isn’t, goalies today are bigger and better than ever), the difference in gear alone creates a huge gap.

[j3lademaster]

Once Bran surpasses Kareem Bran will hold the all time scoring title.

That's a fact Jordan can never change.
He already has the alltime record in my book. Imagine some career loser padding stats in the reg season and surpassing KAJ. Impressive nonetheless, but Lebron’s reg season + playoffs or simply playoffs should carry much more weight.

[Shooter]

Anyone?

PPG? :lol

I don't reward 1st round stat padders. Do you?
I don't reward quitters. Do you?

Totals. Always.

No one says most touchdowns per game.
No one says most homeruns per game.

Check mate.

[Full Court]

Anyone?

PPG? :lol

I don't reward 1st round stat padders. Do you?
I don't reward quitters. Do you?

Totals. Always.

No one says most touchdowns per game.
No one says most homeruns per game.

Check mate.

I see you decided to ignore my post that completely destroyed you. Here, I'll post it again:

Lol. Another low-IQ gem from this clown.

Points only = winning if you can hold the opposing team to fewer points, genius. It's kind of how basketball works.

"Points = scoring = winning"....how'd that formula work out for your hero Bronie, who was gunning for the scoring title and slacking off on defense all year? He almost won the scoring title you know. Oh wait, he ended up 11th seed in the lottery.

I guess that just destroys your argument and makes you an idiot.

[Baller789]

I see you decided to ignore my post that completely destroyed you. Here, I'll post it again:

Lol. Another low-IQ gem from this clown.

Points only = winning if you can hold the opposing team to fewer points, genius. It's kind of how basketball works.

"Points = scoring = winning"....how'd that formula work out for your hero Bronie, who was gunning for the scoring title and slacking off on defense all year? He almost won the scoring title you know. Oh wait, he ended up 11th seed in the lottery.

I guess that just destroys your argument and makes you an idiot.

Well Lebron does love gifting his opposite numbers the FMVP. :confusedshrug: