Luka beat favored Suns w/ Brunson, so Lebron should've beaten underdog Dwight w/ Mo

[3ba11]

The difference was CLUTCH PERFORMANCE

Lebron shot 30% on jumpers in the 4th and lost 3 fourth quarter leads, while also getting dominated by Dwight in the critical Game 4 OT,.

Ultimately, Lebron wet the bed with worst-ever clutch play from 07-11', which includes horrific performance against the 07' Spurs, 08' Celtics, 09' Magic, 10' Celtics and 11' Mavs - it's the worst clutch play that we've ever seen.

[8Ball]

This is devastating for the 3ball narrative yet again.

LeBron ball proves to be the best brand of basketball ever invented. Meanwhile Iso jordan Ball scorers like Kyrie Irving, Devin Booker, Durant get dumpstered.



We can evaluate Luka in previous eras and this era:

Luka has no post/triple-threat skills associated with the power game needed to succeed in the bruising 80's and 90's, nor does he have the mid-range skills to shoot over the packed paints back then

These skills were standard requirements to be a really good player back then, and they're also requirements today to be the best winner and have the best teams (KD/Kawhi)

So he wouldn't be very good back then and will likely struggle in today's game against the better teams when the playoffs arrive.. infact, in previous eras, his softness would be exposed early in his career and he wouldn't develop like he has in today's hands-off, spaced out game (ideal for non-physical ball-handlers).. but even in today's game, he will probably underwhelm when shit hits the fan in the playoffs, until he develops this fortitude in his game (midrange game)

[kawhileonard2]

The difference was CLUTCH PERFORMANCE

Lebron shot 30% on jumpers in the 4th and lost 3 fourth quarter leads, while also getting dominated by Dwight in the critical Game 4 OT,.

Ultimately, Lebron wet the bed with worst-ever clutch play from 07-11', which includes horrific performance against the 07' Spurs, 08' Celtics, 09' Magic, 10' Celtics and 11' Mavs - it's the worst clutch play that we've ever seen.

Everyone beats Lebron. Dirk broke him, Duncan, KG, Dwight, Kawhi, Booker, KD, Curry to name a few.

Booker broke him the hardest http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron

[3ba11]

This is devastating for the 3ball narrative yet again.

LeBron ball proves to be the best brand of basketball ever invented. Meanwhile Iso jordan Ball scorers like Kyrie Irving, Devin Booker, Durant get dumpstered.


I never said Luka was any good - he's just a ball-dominator with literally a zero assisted rate that beat loser CP3 - whooptiwhoop.. The Warriors will teach him a basketball lesson like it's the 14' Finals all over again.

but Luka is obviously better than Lebron for dominating a #1 or 2 SRS team while defeating max defensive attention (carrying scoring load), which Lebron has never done

No one thought Brunson was any good, yet Luka found a way to elevate him, so Lebron deserves blame for losing as a favorite to Dwight, especially since he wet the bed in the clutch..

Lebron wet the bed with worst-ever clutch play from 07-11', which includes horrific performance against the 07' Spurs, 08' Celtics, 09' Magic, 10' Celtics and 11' Mavs - it's the worst clutch play that we've ever seen.

[8Ball]

You said Giannis was an overrated bum and Curry was a 1 dimensional loser in 2021.

Now you say they are both top 5.


You don't like Luka because he can do on the basketball court things Jordan could never dream of doing. Higher skilled than Jordan.

[3ba11]

You said Giannis was an overrated bum and Curry was a 1 dimensional loser in 2021.

Now you say they are both top 5.





I didn't say both are top 5

If you have to lie about my positions, then you're wrong - the thread title clearly destroyed you

But that's because you ignore the historical record:

Lebron averaged 22 on 35% against the 07' Spurs... He followed that up with 26 on 35% against the 08' Celtics... Then he lost as a massive favorite to Dwight due to horrific clutch play and inability to elevate Mo... Then he averaged 21 on 34% for the last 3 games of the 10' ECSF to lose as a massive favorite again.. Then he choked in 2011... Lebron infact sucks at basketball compared to MJ, Kobe, Bird and apparently Luka

[Hey Yo]

4 >>>>> 3

[3ba11]

4 >>>>> 3


Why couldn't Lebron elevate Mo like Luka did Brunson?

It's because of clutch play and Lebron lacks elite jumpshooting skill for teammates to feed off of and force defenses to compromise..

i.e. Lebron's rim attack has an easy gameplan of meeting him at the rim with multiple defenders - you don't have to send an extra defender at him to cool down a pure scoring run or hot jumper... :confusedshrug:..

again lebron SUCKS at basketball compared to MJ, Kobe, Bird and apparently Luka

[Hey Yo]

Luka >>>> Kobe

[3ba11]

.


Luka has higher skill than Jordan.





The first time that Jordan played point guard was at 26 years old - he averaged 30/9/11 and the Associated Press said he was already better than Magic after just a few games at the position.

That's goat natural talent

So Jordan was good on-ball and off-ball, while Luka is only good on-ball.. Luka's ball-dominance ties a coach's hands and forces them to play 1 way - it's a paper tiger that requires ridiculous supporting talent to win.

Otoh, a coach could run any offense with Jordan's all-round ability, from the triangle to D'Antoni ball-dominance

[Wally450]

Does Luka jump into your top 5 if he wins it all this year?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Remember when superior posters told you Curry was a great player? With All TIME impact...

Well Luka is in that same wheelhouse.

He might not have the same gravity as Steph, but his offensive punch is clear.

[3ba11]

Does Luka jump into your top 5 if he wins it all this year?


If he continues to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load) then he will be borderline top 10 like Giannis and Kawhi

Learning to win (brand of ball.. chemistry.. organic) and also having the capability to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in playoffs and Finals of title run) are the primary top 10 criteria

[1987_Lakers]

This is devastating for the 3ball narrative yet again.

LeBron ball proves to be the best brand of basketball ever invented. Meanwhile Iso jordan Ball scorers like Kyrie Irving, Devin Booker, Durant get dumpstered.

That post is damaging. No matter what narrative he tries to push with current players it doesn't work because he has trashed them in the past.

"Luka's game will falter in the playoffs". 3ball

[King Baron]

If he continues to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load) then he will be borderline top 10 like Giannis and Kawhi

Learning to win (brand of ball.. chemistry.. organic) and also having the capability to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in playoffs and Finals of title run) are the primary top 10 criteria

Borderline? Imo, Luka is already #1 right now in the league/playoffs. There's winning and there's winning by 40+ on the #1 seeded team's home floor in a Game 7. If he wins it all this year, we're talking all-time top 10 rankings at 23.

[8Ball]

I didn't say both are top 5

If you have to lie about my positions, then you're wrong - the thread title clearly destroyed you

But that's because you ignore the historical record:

Lebron averaged 22 on 35% against the 07' Spurs... He followed that up with 26 on 35% against the 08' Celtics... Then he lost as a massive favorite to Dwight due to horrific clutch play and inability to elevate Mo... Then he averaged 21 on 34% for the last 3 games of the 10' ECSF to lose as a massive favorite again.. Then he choked in 2011... Lebron infact sucks at basketball compared to MJ, Kobe, Bird and apparently Luka

https://i.ibb.co/VxTpWMg/Screen-Shot-2021-11-01-at-10-25-58-AM.png

[8Ball]

From most overrated to top 5:


Curry's skillset is the reason the Warriors have such great chemistry - he can get 30 without disrupting the flow, so his skillset is like a perfect 10 dive that doesn't disrupt the water

Put any roster around him and his skillset will eventually yield a champion due to the player development and chemistry that his skillset yields - he can have a good team due to brand of ball, so he needs less talent.

He also possesses the elite jumpshooting skill needed to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in playoffs and Finals of title run - this means 10 ppg more than sidekick in playoffs and Finals)

I have him #5 all-time

[tpols]

Ultimately, Lebron wet the bed with worst-ever clutch play from 07-11', which includes horrific performance against the 07' Spurs, 08' Celtics, 09' Magic, 10' Celtics and 11' Mavs - it's the worst clutch play that we've ever seen.


Hold up you're saying that stretch was worse than Pippen?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lukas teammates stepped up

Lebrons didn't

Individuals are tough to evaluate in team sports. OP is intellectually lazy and stupid, so we get threads like these

[3ba11]

That post is damaging. No matter what narrative he tries to push with current players it doesn't work because he has trashed them in the past.

"Luka's game will falter in the playoffs". 3ball


Luka-ball will get ragdolled just like Bron-ball

Luka will always suffer from the same low team ceilings as Lebron and need ridiculous help to win

But Luka is obviously superior to Lebron based on the thread title.

Unlike Luka, Lebron lacks elite jumpshooting skill for teammates to feed off of and force defenses to compromise..

i.e. Lebron's rim attack has an easy gameplan of meeting him at the rim with multiple defenders - you don't have to send an extra defender at him to cool down a pure scoring run or hot jumper... ..

[3ba11]

From most overrated to top 5:


Lebron averaged 22 on 35% against the 07' Spurs...

He followed that up with 26 on 35% against the 08' Celtics...

Then he lost as a massive favorite to Dwight due to horrific clutch play and inability to elevate Mo..

. Then he averaged 21 on 34% for the last 3 games of the 10' ECSF to lose as a massive favorite again.. Then he choked in 2011... Lebron infact sucks at basketball compared to MJ, Kobe, Bird and apparently Luka

[Shooter]

This is devastating for the 3ball narrative yet again.

LeBron ball proves to be the best brand of basketball ever invented. Meanwhile Iso jordan Ball scorers like Kyrie Irving, Devin Booker, Durant get dumpstered.

[SATAN]

http://ht.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/video/teams/magic/2015/01/28/PMM0895PNICKSTEALvJordanmp4-3503590.576x324.jpg

[RRR3]

OP if Luka lost "proof LeBron's style of play doesn't win without a stacked cast"


We were literally getting a LeBron thread regardless of the outcome. What a ****ing loser

[kawhileonard2]

Need an answer on each thread below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371