Does Curry pass Kobe with a Finals MVP this year? Or did he already pass him?

[Shooter]

It will be hard to keep Curry out of the top ten if he wins a 4th ring and Final MVP to go along with all the other amazing accolades he's collected over the years. 2019 to 2022 KD has been out of the 1st round once with zero Finals trips. Curry is on his way to another Finals trip without KD.

○ Kobe won 1 MVP in 20 years (bottom tier for top 15-20 players)
○ Curry has won 2 MVPs in fewer years

Add in Curry's Finals MVP for 2022 and is Curry now into the top 10 and Kobe moving closer to top 15?

[Shogon]

Curry is a better player than Kobe but legacy wise he is not there yet.

That 4th ring and a FMVP is getting really close... still not sure I would go there... but he'd be getting close. Basically a tie legacy wise after this year if that happens. One more of anything else on top of winning it this year and it would be a done deal.

Curry self cucked when he let Durant join them.

[Shooter]

Curry is a better player than Kobe but legacy wise he is not there yet.

That 4th ring and a FMVP is getting really close... still not sure I would go there... but he'd be getting close. Basically a tie legacy wise after this year if that happens. One more of anything else on top of winning it this year and it would be a done deal.

Curry self cucked when he let Durant join them.

I will say that one of Kobe's legacy boosters is his insane longevity and I hope that his fans see the importance of LENGTH of SUPERIORITY versus being a short-lived flash in the pan.

I currently have Kobe over Curry mainly due to Curry not having one Finals MVP but if he gets one this year then I will have to reassess my rankings. Kobe might still be on top due to legacy and longevity like you mentioned but it will damn sure be close.

[Shogon]

I will say that one of Kobe's legacy boosters is his insane longevity and I hope that his fans see the importance of LENGTH of SUPERIORITY versus being a short-lived flash in the pan.

I currently have Kobe over Curry mainly due to Curry not having one Finals MVP but if he gets one this year then I will have to reassess my rankings. Kobe might still be on top due to legacy and longevity like you mentioned but it will damn sure be close.

Most of the all time rankings are longevity. It's essentially the most important thing that puts people up there.

Circumstances and longevity. Circumstances and longevity are the primary difference between... Kobe Bryant and... Tracy McGrady.

That's the difference between being considered by many to be a fringe top 10 player if not the GOAT and... missing the top 75 entirely.

If LeBron stays in Cleveland his entire career, is he where he is now? Nope. Labeled as a career loser.

If the Bulls never get Pippen and Jordan is surrounded by trash his entire career, is he where he is now? Nope. Labeled as a career loser.

And so on and so forth.

[Shooter]

Most of the all time rankings are longevity. It's essentially the most important thing that puts people up there.

Circumstances and longevity. Circumstances and longevity are the primary difference between... Kobe Bryant and... Tracy McGrady.

That's the difference between being considered by many to be a fringe top 10 player if not the GOAT and... missing the top 75 entirely.

Big facts :cheers:

I can always count on ShoGoat for high IQ posting. I agree my friend.

[Bronbron23]

It will be hard to keep Curry out of the top ten if he wins a 4th ring and Final MVP to go along with all the other amazing accolades he's collected over the years. 2019 to 2022 KD has been out of the 1st round once with zero Finals trips. Curry is on his way to another Finals trip without KD.

○ Kobe won 1 MVP in 20 years (bottom tier for top 15-20 players)
○ Curry has won 2 MVPs in fewer years

Add in Curry's Finals MVP for 2022 and is Curry now into the top 10 and Kobe moving closer to top 15?

If we're gonna ignore the other half of the game then sure.

[3ba11]

Curry is top 5... all-time

I've been saying it for a while now (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward))

[1987_Lakers]

Curry is top 5... all-time

I've been saying it for a while now (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward))

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history&p=14604851#post14604851

[GimmeThat]

there's no self-worth in comparing net worth with the dead

[red1]

curry can never pass kobe


kobe was better period

[Axe]

I doubt it slick. And to date, we still haven't found any iconic playoff moments yet from chef dingo. :ohwell:

[StrongLurk]

Curry is not better than Kobe...

[Shooter]

Curry is not better than Kobe...

Does Curry pass Kobe with a Finals MVP this year?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Curry is a better player than Kobe but legacy wise he is not there yet.

That 4th ring and a FMVP is getting really close... still not sure I would go there... but he'd be getting close. Basically a tie legacy wise after this year if that happens. One more of anything else on top of winning it this year and it would be a done deal.

Curry self cucked when he let Durant join them.

Currys 2015 ring was bogus and he didn't even win fmvp

The durant rings are obviously not worth anything.

I dont get why people bring up the rings when it comes to curry. You can't find another star with weaker rings.

[HighFlyer23]

Kobe becoming criminally underrated now

Curry isn’ta better basketball player nor does he have a better career to date than Kobe Bryant

[Axe]

Currys 2015 ring was bogus and he didn't even win fmvp

The durant rings are obviously not worth anything.

I dont get why people bring up the rings when it comes to curry. You can't find another star with weaker rings.
Not to mention those three rings also saw some opposing players getting injured along the way (2015 had love & kyrie in the finals, 2017 had kawhi in wcf and 2018 had cp3 in wcf plus kong in the finals). Now i don't like morant but he was struck down in the last series as well. And joker's best teammates, murray and mpj, were completely absent in the first round. Just some perspective that shouldn't be overlooked at in case they win it all later in june.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe becoming criminally underrated now

Curry isn’ta better basketball player nor does he have a better career to date than Kobe Bryant

Definitely debatable to the bold, but I agree about the career to date...

But another title and finals mvp this year? Curry would be right there with the Kobe tier in my opinion.

[Axe]

Definitely debatable to the bold, but I agree about the career to date...

But another title and finals mvp this year? Curry would be right there with the Kobe tier in my opinion.
But curry's loss in the 2016 finals with a 70-win team is actually a big dent to his legacy. Kobe, otoh, even if the lakers were heavily favored to win in the 2004 finals at least didn't lead nor blow a 3-1 lead to the pistons bt.

[DMAVS41]

But curry's loss in the 2016 finals with a 70-win team is actually a big dent to his legacy. Kobe, otoh, even if the lakers were heavily favored to win in the 2004 finals at least didn't lead nor blow a 3-1 lead to the pistons bt.

If that is your reasoning, cool...I disagree.

[Carbine]

I didn't think it was going to go down like this after his death but Kobe is becoming underrated.

There wouldn't be any doubt who the better player was in a series of both played against each other. Accolades wise Kobe is far ahead overall, IMO. Even with the 4th ring.

[John8204]

He needs 5 rings and 30K points for me to rank him ahead of Kobe. Kobe is the 2nd best SG of all-time, Curry is the 4th best PG of all-time..and I don't know if ring number 4 ranks him ahead of Stockton, Oscar, and Magic

[Shooter]

He needs 5 rings and 30K points for me to rank him ahead of Kobe. Kobe is the 2nd best SG of all-time, Curry is the 4th best PG of all-time..and I don't know if ring number 4 ranks him ahead of Stockton, Oscar, and Magic

I would say he is comfortably ranked above Stockton and Oscar. Magic, not yet but that could happen but he'll pass Kobe before Magic at any rate.

[SouBeachTalents]

I didn't think it was going to go down like this after his death but Kobe is becoming underrated.

There wouldn't be any doubt who the better player was in a series of both played against each other. Accolades wise Kobe is far ahead overall, IMO. Even with the 4th ring.
Acting like Curry couldn't outplay Kobe in a series is ridiculous :lol

[Axe]

He needs 5 rings and 30K points for me to rank him ahead of Kobe. Kobe is the 2nd best SG of all-time, Curry is the 4th best PG of all-time..and I don't know if ring number 4 ranks him ahead of Stockton, Oscar, and Magic
Reasonable take.

[John8204]

I would say he is comfortably ranked above Stockton and Oscar. Magic, not yet but that could happen but he'll pass Kobe before Magic at any rate.

Stockton has 19K as a third option and he's #1 in assists and steals
Oscar is 25K+ and a generation defining player

9/10/11 Kobe/Oscar/Duncan
12/13/14 West/Moses/Hakeem
15/16/17 Stockton/Curry/Dirk

It's 1 to 1 binary at this point...with four rings I can rank him ahead of Stockton but it's close...putting him ahead of West/Hakeem/Moses is going to be really hard...he's going to need 5 and be productive for his last couple seasons.

[plowking]

Curry is a better player. I think with that list of accolades you'd have to put him past Kobe.

Similar championships, more MVPs , Curry the higher peak, etc

[John8204]

Curry is a better player. I think with that list of accolades you'd have to put him past Kobe.

Similar championships, more MVPs , Curry the higher peak, etc

11 First team vs 4 First Team
18 All-Star Apper vs 8
9 Defensive First Team vs 0
2 scoring champ vs 2 time scoring champ
5 rings vs 3 rings
2 FMVP vs 0 FMVP
30K points vs 20K points

Curry is the best shooter of all-time but Kobe is arguably the most well-rounded and best 1-1. For me what Curry is doing is the work to crack the top ten and moving the bar ahead of Giannis, Kwahi, and Durant where they aren't going to be able to catch him.

[Sulico]

Stockton has 19K as a third option and he's #1 in assists and steals
Oscar is 25K+ and a generation defining player

9/10/11 Kobe/Oscar/Duncan
12/13/14 West/Moses/Hakeem
15/16/17 Stockton/Curry/Dirk

It's 1 to 1 binary at this point...with four rings I can rank him ahead of Stockton but it's close...putting him ahead of West/Hakeem/Moses is going to be really hard...he's going to need 5 and be productive for his last couple seasons.

So if Curry wins 4 rings you would be ready to put him ahead of someone with 0 rings. Very valid point you making.

I'm guessing if Curry wins 6 rings you would be ready to put him ahead of people with 1 or even 2.

Thank you for your unbiased opinion.

[SouBeachTalents]

So if Curry wins 4 rings you would be ready to put him ahead of someone with 0 rings. Very valid point you making.

I'm guessing if Curry wins 6 rings you would be ready to put him ahead of people with 1 or even 2.

Thank you for your unbiased opinion.
That guy has Shaq ranked 25th FYI, just so you have an idea of the caliber poster you're dealing with.

[LeGoat4Life]

Definitely a good debate if that happens

However the general consensus is that both are sitting comfortable ahead of Lebron

Lestan on suicide watch if curry wins this year

[Sulico]

That guy has Shaq ranked 25th FYI, just so you have an idea of the caliber poster you're dealing with.

Yeah, I got the general idea.

This board is like magnet for lunatics.

[kawhileonard2]

That guy has Shaq ranked 25th FYI, just so you have an idea of the caliber poster you're dealing with.

25th? There is no way he is ever outside of the top 10.

[Taurus]

A title and FMVP would honestly make me have Kobe and Curry pretty neck and neck, with Kobe probably having the slight edge.

But that's getting a little ahead of ourselves, both the Heat and Celtics are a tough matchup for the Warriors.

[Lebron23]

Curry surpasses Durant, Hakeem and Kobe if the wins his first finals mvp this year.

[John8204]

So if Curry wins 4 rings you would be ready to put him ahead of someone with 0 rings. Very valid point you making.

I'm guessing if Curry wins 6 rings you would be ready to put him ahead of people with 1 or even 2.

Thank you for your unbiased opinion.

If Curry wins 4 rings I might be able to overlook his inability to play defense and his low career numbers. John Stockton might have had zero rings but he had almost 20K points while leading in asst's and steals by an unbreakable margin. That means he was a legendary offense and defensive player who was productive for almost 20 season. Curry is a great shooter but how many Hall of Famers is he going to have ended playing with.

I have Curry ahead of this guy who was 8-0

https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTY4MDA3NDY1OTU3NDAxOTg0/john-havlicek-celtics-legendjpg.jpg

But behind this guy who was 7-1

https://bobkuska.files.wordpress.com/2021/06/img_0542-e1622744829214.jpg?w=1568


That guy has Shaq ranked 25th FYI, just so you have an idea of the caliber poster you're dealing with.

Yeah I got Shaq at 7 for his position behind
1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3. Bill
4. Mikan
5. Moses
6. Hakeem
7. Shaq
8. Robinson
9. Reed
10. Thurmond

Shaq played with with more top 75 greats than I believe anyone else yet he only managed 4 titles. And in those 4 titles they were all against 1 top 75 player teams. Like Curry he was a defensive liability, unlike Curry he left rings on the table when he pushed himself out of Los Angeles. He's 15th in rebounds only 1,000 ahead of Bob Pettit who played almost half the seasons Shaq played. Shaq never had a 30 PPG season, never led the league in rebounding (even though he was the best center in the league for 5+ seasons) and didn't break 30K points. I don't think he would have won a one on one game against any of the top 50 in the league because of his poor physical conditioning. Shaq is a marketing gimmick a money maker and a generation defining player but he only won a single MVP for reason.

Now if someone wants to make an argument for Shaq being a top ten player...by all means

[rmt]

If Curry wins 4 rings I might be able to overlook his inability to play defense and his low career numbers. John Stockton might have had zero rings but he had almost 20K points while leading in asst's and steals by an unbreakable margin. That means he was a legendary offense and defensive player who was productive for almost 20 season. Curry is a great shooter but how many Hall of Famers is he going to have ended playing with.

I have Curry ahead of this guy who was 8-0

https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTY4MDA3NDY1OTU3NDAxOTg0/john-havlicek-celtics-legendjpg.jpg

But behind this guy who was 7-1

https://bobkuska.files.wordpress.com/2021/06/img_0542-e1622744829214.jpg?w=1568



Yeah I got Shaq at 7 for his position behind
1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3. Bill
4. Mikan
5. Moses
6. Hakeem
7. Shaq
8. Robinson
9. Reed
10. Thurmond

Shaq played with with more top 75 greats than I believe anyone else yet he only managed 4 titles. And in those 4 titles they were all against 1 top 75 player teams. Like Curry he was a defensive liability, unlike Curry he left rings on the table when he pushed himself out of Los Angeles. He's 15th in rebounds only 1,000 ahead of Bob Pettit who played almost half the seasons Shaq played. Shaq never had a 30 PPG season, never led the league in rebounding (even though he was the best center in the league for 5+ seasons) and didn't break 30K points. I don't think he would have won a one on one game against any of the top 50 in the league because of his poor physical conditioning. Shaq is a marketing gimmick a money maker and a generation defining player but he only won a single MVP for reason.

Now if someone wants to make an argument for Shaq being a top ten player...by all means

How do you explain Steve Nash's 2 MVPs?

[Sulico]

If Curry wins 4 rings I might be able to overlook his inability to play defense and his low career numbers. John Stockton might have had zero rings but he had almost 20K points while leading in asst's and steals by an unbreakable margin. That means he was a legendary offense and defensive player who was productive for almost 20 season. Curry is a great shooter but how many Hall of Famers is he going to have ended playing with.

I have Curry ahead of this guy who was 8-0

https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTY4MDA3NDY1OTU3NDAxOTg0/john-havlicek-celtics-legendjpg.jpg

But behind this guy who was 7-1

https://bobkuska.files.wordpress.com/2021/06/img_0542-e1622744829214.jpg?w=1568



Yeah I got Shaq at 7 for his position behind
1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3. Bill
4. Mikan
5. Moses
6. Hakeem
7. Shaq
8. Robinson
9. Reed
10. Thurmond

Shaq played with with more top 75 greats than I believe anyone else yet he only managed 4 titles. And in those 4 titles they were all against 1 top 75 player teams. Like Curry he was a defensive liability, unlike Curry he left rings on the table when he pushed himself out of Los Angeles. He's 15th in rebounds only 1,000 ahead of Bob Pettit who played almost half the seasons Shaq played. Shaq never had a 30 PPG season, never led the league in rebounding (even though he was the best center in the league for 5+ seasons) and didn't break 30K points. I don't think he would have won a one on one game against any of the top 50 in the league because of his poor physical conditioning. Shaq is a marketing gimmick a money maker and a generation defining player but he only won a single MVP for reason.

Now if someone wants to make an argument for Shaq being a top ten player...by all means

John Stockton played his whole career with the guy who was much better than him and he didn't win once. Imagine if Curry had the same privilege. I don't even know who is much better than Curry. Like rich mans Lebron? Imagine Curry who is playing 15 seasons with better version of Lebron.

I am huge fan of John Stockton, for 13 years from middle of the 90's I was Utah Jazz fan. John Stockton was an amazing player. But Curry is generational player. We have only 2 or 3 players like Curry every generation. If you compare someone like that to second best player on non-championship team, you are either out of your mind or biased troll.

[plowking]

11 First team vs 4 First Team
18 All-Star Apper vs 8
9 Defensive First Team vs 0
2 scoring champ vs 2 time scoring champ
5 rings vs 3 rings
2 FMVP vs 0 FMVP
30K points vs 20K points

Curry is the best shooter of all-time but Kobe is arguably the most well-rounded and best 1-1. For me what Curry is doing is the work to crack the top ten and moving the bar ahead of Giannis, Kwahi, and Durant where they aren't going to be able to catch him.

All well and good, but what Curry does well, he does it so much better than other players and is a better player overall than more well rounded players. His ability to drag defenses and disrupt a whole gameplan, along with his shot making ability is worth more than Kobe being a better defender at the guard position and maybe a bit more well rounded.

Scottie Pippen is more well rounded than Shaq. He ain't close to the player Shaq is though.

[Axe]

All well and good, but what Curry does well, he does it so much better than other players and is a better player overall than more well rounded players. His ability to drag defenses and disrupt a whole gameplan, along with his shot making ability is worth more than Kobe being a better defender at the guard position and maybe a bit more well rounded.
But under curry ball, his teammates are usually reduced to frequent screensetters whenever they play with him on the floor. And not all of them are happy with that kind of setup, probably because they wouldn't want to end up being role players most of the time. Take for instance, kelly oubre jr.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKHd0ZG9fqPOfmcvYweGv5R0NGnzGfG wkg0Q&usqp=CAU

Now guys like him probably care little about winning but at least he wants to play more naturally.

[John8204]

How do you explain Steve Nash's 2 MVPs?

A combination of 18 years between white players getting MVP's, Kobe's rape accusation and the love of the Nash story leaving Dallas and elevating Phoenix. But for me Nash isn't top ten in his position so he's in the 40's/50's. The rise of 24/7 sports news has really devalued the MVP award as it's gone to multiple questionable players. However 75% of Shaq's career that wasn't the case and he could have won the award but he didn't.



John Stockton played his whole career with the guy who was much better than him and he didn't win once. Imagine if Curry had the same privilege. I don't even know who is much better than Curry. Like rich mans Lebron? Imagine Curry who is playing 15 seasons with better version of Lebron.

My 21-30 guys are
Barkley, Malone, CPIII, Baylor, Shaq, Kidd, Gervin, Frazier, Iverson, Durant

Karl Malone, Jeff Hornacek, and Mark Eaton all put up amazing numbers with Stockton running point. If I'm building a team and picking a PG Stockton is my top pick. Not winning a ring hurts his legacy but in my opinion he's the greatest to never win.

[Sulico]

A combination of 18 years between white players getting MVP's, Kobe's rape accusation and the love of the Nash story leaving Dallas and elevating Phoenix. But for me Nash isn't top ten in his position so he's in the 40's/50's. The rise of 24/7 sports news has really devalued the MVP award as it's gone to multiple questionable players. However 75% of Shaq's career that wasn't the case and he could have won the award but he didn't.



My 21-30 guys are
Barkley, Malone, CPIII, Baylor, Shaq, Kidd, Gervin, Frazier, Iverson, Durant

Karl Malone, Jeff Hornacek, and Mark Eaton all put up amazing numbers with Stockton running point. If I'm building a team and picking a PG Stockton is my top pick. Not winning a ring hurts his legacy but in my opinion he's the greatest to never win.

I was trying to argue with you using facts, but your main argument for your crazy rankings is... more of your crazy rankings?

It doesn't matter at all where you put players. It's quite obvious that you have zero logic or argument behind your vision of basketball rankings. Personal emotions or feelings of regular fan on the internet do not have the same value as facts, numbers or basketball world consensus.

I now put you in the same "lunatics of ISH" category as likes of "3ball" or "Kawhi_something_something" and not going to waste any more of my time on you.

[John8204]

I was trying to argue with you using facts, but your main argument for your crazy rankings is... more of your crazy rankings?

It doesn't matter at all where you put players. It's quite obvious that you have zero logic or argument behind your vision of basketball rankings. Personal emotions or feelings of regular fan on the internet do not have the same value as facts, numbers or basketball world consensus.

I now put you in the same "lunatics of ISH" category as likes of "3ball" or "Kawhi_something_something" and not going to waste any more of my time on you.

You know logic isn't just something you can talk about...you have to actually show your work...my rankings are position and generational

C - Wilt, Kareem, Bill, Mikan, Moses, Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Reed, Thurmond
PG - Magic, Oscar, Stockton, Curry, CPIII, Kidd, Frazier, Thomas, Archibald, Cousy
SG - Jordan, Kobe, West, Gervin, Iverson, Maravich, Miller, Harden, Wade, Klay
PF - Lebron, Duncan, Dirk, Pettit, KG, Barkley, Malone, Giannis, Hayes, McHale
SF - Bird, Havlicek, Erving, Baylor, Durant, Leonard, English, Barry, Arizin, Pippen

This whole I don't agree with you but I won't say why I don't agree with, or put out my own logic down but don't talk to me fingers in ears lalalalalalalala

seems a little childish to me.

[Shooter]

Congrats to Steph for getting that seemingly elusive FMVP. He joins elite territory now.

Ring + FMVP + 2x MVP

MJ, LBJ, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Bird, Duncan,

I think that's it?

[Shooter]

25th? There is no way he is ever outside of the top 10.

I've seen a FEW with Shaq at 12th but definitley never higher than 15th