Lebron was 1-3 vs Warriors, so he would rarely make Finals out West in Luka's spot

[3ba11]

Finals appearances are conference-dependant, so winning the Finals is all that matters because it means you would've made Finals regardless of conference.

1-star teams were enough to win the East, but Lebron always needed a super-team to beat the best teams (West)

Lebron is actually 0-4 vs Warriors if we exclude teammate bailouts. Luka doesn't have Kyrie to be an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention and CLOSE..

[BarberSchool]

Son would have to qualify for the play-in first muuuahahahahahaha

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron beat a better version of this Warriors team while leading every player in every statistical category.

[3ba11]

LeBron beat a better version of this Warriors team while leading every player in every statistical category.


Luka would probably beat these Warriors with a super-team half the time too.. Anyone would.. And the 16' Warriors only had 1 go-to player, while these Warriors have 3 plus Klay and are therefore far superior.

These Warriors are also championship veterans have been through wars and dominate, while the 16' Warriors were babies with bed-wetting Curry & Klay (22 and 16 ppg).. Heck, Kawhi beat a dominant Curry/Klay (31 and 26 ppg).

And Lebron' had an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention, and therefore never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals)..

[1987_Lakers]

The 16' Warriors only had 1 go-to player, while these Warriors have 3 plus Klay and are therefore far superior.

These Warriors are championship veterans have been through wars and dominate, while the 16' Warriors were babies with bed-wetting Curry & Klay (22 and 16 ppg).. Heck, Kawhi beat a dominant Curry/Klay (31 and 26 ppg).

And Lebron' had an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention, and therefore never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals)..

Both Curry & Klay were better in 2016.

Curry sadly is past his prime, he played great last night, but this has been Curry's worst individual season since like 2013. He still gets a ton of defensive attention and has good games here and there, but his shot making ability is not what it once was.

[ShawkFactory]

Your stuff is getting more attention-seeking by the day. Guess that’s what happens when you need to be noticed but it’s the playoffs

[tpols]

LeBron beat a better version of this Warriors team while leading every player in every statistical category.

I wouldn't say that. Curry, Klay and Dray are basically the same. Wiggins is way better than Harrison Barnes. Poole is way better than Shaun Livingston. Otto Porter is equal to iggy.

Not adding up.

Plus LeBron needed dray suspended in game 5 on a bogus retroactive application and curry fouled out in game 6. Silver set the stage for a game 7 series as first year commissioner for the ratings and money.

Overall? LeBron got his ass kicked vs the warriors in the playoffs. He's 7-15 vs them in the playoffs with some of the biggest blowouts ever. I think the regular season might even be worse record wise.

[1987_Lakers]

I wouldn't say that. Curry, Klay and Dray are basically the same. Wiggins is way better than Harrison Barnes. Poole is way better than Shaun Livingston. Otto Porter is equal to iggy.

:roll: Only Draymond is playing at a similar level, but his shooting was better in 2016.

One team went 73-9.

Not adding up.

[ShawkFactory]

I wouldn't say that. Curry, Klay and Dray are basically the same. Wiggins is way better than Harrison Barnes. Poole is way better than Shaun Livingston. Otto Porter is equal to iggy.

Not adding up.

Plus LeBron needed fray suspended in game 5 on a bogus retroactive application and curry fouls out in game 6. Silver set the stage for a game 7 series as first year commissioner for the ratings and money.

Overall? LeBron got his ads kicked vs the warriors in the playoffs. He's 7-15 vs them in the playoffs with some of the biggest blowouts ever. I think the regular season at be even worse record wise.

Always gotta love when someone says something stupid right at the beginning of a longer post. Saves a lot of time.

[tpols]

Both Curry & Klay were better in 2016.

Curry sadly is past his prime, he played great last night, but this has been Curry's worst individual season since like 2013. He still gets a ton of defensive attention and has good games here and there, but his shot making ability is not what it once was.

Curry averaged 22 ppg in the 2016 Finals being guarded by jr smith and kyrie. He's averaging 27/6/5 on better efficiency in this years playoffs. Tell us more about how he was better in that series. :oldlol:

[tpols]

Always gotta love when someone says something stupid right at the beginning of a longer post. Saves a lot of time.

Curry and Klay are both averaging more points on better efficiency in this years playoffs than in the 2016 Finals. Welcome to reality my friend.

[1987_Lakers]

Curry averaged 22 ppg in the 2016 Finals

I wonder why.

https://c.tenor.com/eqqKFAj45RcAAAAd/le-bron-curry.gif

[tpols]

:roll: Only Draymond is playing at a similar level, but his shooting was better in 2016.

One team went 73-9.

Not adding up.

See my reply to shawk. Curry and klay have better numbers in this years playoffs than the 2016 Finals and it's not particularly close. You guys need a fact check.

LeBron was not the primary defender on either. Ironically he was assigned to guard dray and dray had the best offensive series of his career in the 2016 Finals.

[1987_Lakers]

See my reply to shawk. Curry and Olay have better numbers in this years playoffs than the 2016 Finals and it's not particularly close. You guys need a fact check.

https://c.tenor.com/eqqKFAj45RcAAAAd/le-bron-curry.gif

[ShawkFactory]

Curry and Klay are both averaging more points on better efficiency in this years playoffs than in the 2016 Finals. Welcome to reality my friend.

So was Lebron the best player in the world in 2015 then?

I just feel like if you’re going to say something ridiculous it’s better to put it at the end so that people have to read your entire post first.

I stopped reading after your second sentence.

[tpols]

So was Lebron the best player in the world in 2015 then?

I just feel like if you’re going to say something ridiculous it’s better to put it at the end so that people have to read your entire post first.

I stopped reading after your second sentence.

LeBron averaged horrible efficiency in the 2015 Finals and his own positional opponent won FMVP on the back of holding him to 39% shooting. Curry and Klay ain't shooting 39%. :oldlol:

Shit..... Klay is shooting 57% in this Dallas series right now. And that's after laying a dump on Memphis in game 6. So to act like curry and klay are worse right now than they were in the 2016 finals is preposterous. If LeBron was like... Gary Payton and locked them up you'd have a point but LeBron was guarding Dray, who went off on offense and almost won a FMVP.

[ShawkFactory]

LeBron averaged horrible efficiency in the 2015 Finals and his own positional opponent won FMVP on the back of holding him to 39% shooting. Curry and Klay ain't shooting 39%. :oldlol:

Shit..... Klay is shooting 57% in this Dallas series right now. And that's after laying a dump on Memphis in game 6. So to act like curry and klay are worse right now than they were in the 2016 finals is preposterous. If LeBron was like... Gary Payton and locked them up you'd have a point but LeBron was guarding Dray, who went off on offense and almost won a FMVP.

I meant 2016*

[tpols]

I meant 2016*

Lebron was the best player in the 2016 Finals but it took a decimation to the warriors rim protection ~ Bogut getting hurt and dray catching a heavily scrutinized post game suspension for him to play well. Go look at Lebrons numbers the first 4 games of that series before those events unfolded. He was averaging 24 ppg on terrible %'s.

[GimmeThat]

the idea of ball movement, and players being interchangeable is nonsensical to no one and nobody.

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron was the best player in the 2016 Finals but it took a decimation to the warriors rim protection ~ Bogut getting hurt and dray catching a heavily scrutinized post game suspension for him to play well. Go look at Lebrons numbers the first 4 games of that series before those events unfolded. He was averaging 24 ppg on terrible %'s.

Ok I’m sorry so...are we playing with numbers without context or are we not? You’re doing it on your end but trying to apply context on the other.

I’m about to head to the pool and have 1-2 more second grade troll posts in me so make them good

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron was the best player in the 2016 Finals but it took a decimation to the warriors rim protection ~ Bogut getting hurt and dray catching a heavily scrutinized post game suspension for him to play well. Go look at Lebrons numbers the first 4 games of that series before those events unfolded. He was averaging 24 ppg on terrible %'s.

That doesn't stop you from bragging that Kyrie had "Wilt like numbers" in that Finals.

:lol

[tpols]

Ok I’m sorry so...are we playing with numbers without context or are we not? You’re doing it on your end but trying to apply context on the other.

I’m about to head to the pool and have 1-2 more second grade troll posts in me so make them good

What context am I omiting? Curry and Klay played worse against a mediocre ranked Cleveland defense in 2016 than they have against a top ranked defense in Memphis and Dallas this year. What context am I excluding that would lead you to believe the splash bros performed better in the 2016 Finals than they did in this years playoffs so far?

[ShawkFactory]

What context am I omiting? Curry and Klay played worse against a mediocre ranked Cleveland defense in 2016 than they have against a top ranked defense in Memphis and Dallas this year. What context am I excluding that would lead you to believe the splash bros performed better in the 2016 Finals than they did in this years playoffs so far?

Idk...

What about Klay in particular defensively? He doesn’t have any ability on that end now when he was once above average to good.

What about the matchup with Cleveland?

What about Cleveland’s game plan defensively against them?

What about how Cleveland was a superior defensive team than the regular season numbers show due to Lebron coasting?

What about the fact that it was a pressure cooker finals series against a far better team than either the Grizzlies or the Mavs?

That kind of context.

[warriorfan]

Lebron was the best player in the 2016 Finals but it took a decimation to the warriors rim protection ~ Bogut getting hurt and dray catching a heavily scrutinized post game suspension for him to play well. Go look at Lebrons numbers the first 4 games of that series before those events unfolded. He was averaging 24 ppg on terrible %'s.

Exactly. Check the splits before and after Adam Silver’s tampering and injuries to Bogut and Iguodala. That’s all you need to see.

[tpols]

Idk...

What about Klay in particular defensively? He doesn’t have any ability on that end now when he was once above average to good.

What about the matchup with Cleveland?

What about Cleveland’s game plan defensively against them?

What about how Cleveland was a far superior defensive team than the regular season numbers show due to Lebron coasting?

What about the fact that it was a pressure cooker finals series against a far better team than either the Grizzlies or the Mavs?

That kind of context.

Whaaat?

:biggums:

Klay doesn't have any defensive ability right now?

And you have the balls to call me a troll? Klay has been AWESOME on defense in this years playoffs. He's not even known for it but his help defense on morants layup in game 1 might have won them the series. Memphis was tough and if they win that game 1 its tough sledding going forward.

Klay averaged 16 ppg in the 2016 Finals and got LIT UP by kyrie. Klay was the primary defender on kyrie.

To even have the audacity to pump up klays disastrous 2016 Finals up is mind blowing. Literally anybody would agree he played like ass in that particular series

[red1]

https://c.tenor.com/eqqKFAj45RcAAAAd/le-bron-curry.gif
:lebronamazed:
:lebronamazed:
:lebronamazed:

[red1]

steve kerr himself said that curry cant hold lebrons jockstrap


stop this revisionist history

[ShawkFactory]

Whaaat?

:biggums:

Klay doesn't have any defensive ability right now?

And you have the balls to call me a troll? Klay has been AWESOME on defense in this years playoffs. He's not even known for it but his help defense on morants layup in game 1 might have won them the series. Memphis was tough and if they win that game 1 its tough sledding going forward.

Klay averaged 16 ppg in the 2016 Finals and got LIT UP by kyrie. Klay was the primary defender on kyrie.

To even have the audacity to pump up klays disastrous 2016 Finals up is mind blowing. Literally anybody would agree he played like ass in that particular series

Nobody is pumping up anything. Klay could be a primary defender on the other teams best offensive player in 2016. Would he shut them down? Not really. But he’d usually make it tough.

But just by bringing up his help defense on Morant proves my point. He’d be the primary on Morant in 2016. He’s not the primary on anything now.

The rest of my post stands too though. The Cavs game-planned for them in a way teams aren’t quite doing now. Dray had multiple 30 point games because of it. Barnes missed everything but was open the whole time.

The Cavs were way better than either the Grizzlies or Mavs.

It was a finals series, which are almost always slower-paced and higher pressure. You’re using 1 finals series vs 2+ non finals series.

There’s plenty of context you’re ignoring.

[2much_knowledge]

Your stuff is getting more attention-seeking by the day. Guess that’s what happens when you need to be noticed but it’s the playoffs

This applies to many people here. Go tell them that

[tpols]

Bro teams leave dray more open now than they did in even 2016. And they left him open then too. But like... 10 feet open. Not 20 feet. Defenders literally run from dray. curry and klay still catch the same amount if not more heat.

The splash bros just had a bad series my dude. Its ok to admit it. Their primary defenders were JR and kyrie with guys like Tristan Thompson and Richard Jefferson applying a heavy trap. Curry has gotten trapped like this by better defenses his whole career and produced. I'm a huge fan of his and can say... he choked. Once the pressure swelled it felt like a miracle he'd make a shot. Klay as well. They choked from an individual perspective.

Even with all of the dubious circumstances... they still should have won. If klay averages 18 ppg and curry averages 25 ppg... they win. They lost by 1-2 shots. So they didn't even have to play good to win. They could've played slightly below average and won. But they played beneath even that. To argue they played better then than they are now is almost gravity defying.

You feel me?

[ShawkFactory]

Bro teams leave dray more open now than they did in even 2016. And they left him open then too. But like... 10 feet open. Not 20 feet. Defenders literally run from dray. curry and klay still catch the same amount if not more heat.

The splash bros just had a bad series my dude. Its ok to admit it. Their primary defenders were JR and kyrie with guys like Tristan Thompson and Richard Jefferson applying a heavy trap. Curry has gotten trapped like this by better defenses his whole career and produced. I'm a huge fan of his and can say... he choked. Once the pressure swelled it felt like a miracle he'd make a shot. Klay as well. They choked from an individual perspective.

Even with all of the dubious circumstances... they still should have won. If klay averages 18 ppg and curry averages 25 ppg... they win. They lost by 1-2 shots. So they didn't even have to play good to win. They could've played slightly below average and won. But they played beneath even that. To argue they played better then than they are now is almost gravity defying.

You feel me?

I never said they didn’t. People have bad series sometimes.

That wasn’t the argument.

Having a worse finals series in 2016 than a second round series 6 years later means nothing compared to how good you are and what the overall game looks like from the other side. Bird was better against the Knicks in 1990 than the Lakers in 85. Call them equal?

[tpols]

I never said they didn’t. People have bad series sometimes.

That wasn’t the argument.

Having a worse finals series in 2016 than a second round series 6 years later means nothing compared to how good you are and what the overall game looks like from the other side. Bird was better against the Knicks in 1990 than the Lakers in 85. Call them equal?

The argument proposed by our dear friend 1987 was that LeBron beat a superior form of the splash bros.

We have it... totally spelled out that klay and curry have WAY better performances and productions in this years playoffs. Your excuse is Cleveland defense which is a joke. They weren't elite at all. Then you tried to say it was Cleveland's unique "strategy" of doubling... but literally every team does that to Curry. Then you tried to tell me Klay has... and I quote "no defensive ability today" while ignoring he got LIT up on defense in 2016 guarding kyrie as his primary assignment.

What do you want me to do with this?

LeBron was in peak form middle prime in 2011. He choked. Anybody that faced LeBron in that capacity got an easier matchup than facing him in 2012 or 2018 form. Same goes for the 2016 Finals splash bros vs today.

Are you seriously disputing that?

[ShawkFactory]

The argument proposed by our dear friend 1987 was that LeBron beat a superior form of the splash bros.

We have it... totally spelled out that klay and curry have WAY better performances and productions in this years playoffs. Your excuse is Cleveland defense which is a joke. They weren't elite at all. Then you tried to say it was Cleveland's unique "strategy" of doubling... but literally every team does that to Curry. Then you tried to tell me Klay has... and I quote "no defensive ability today" while ignoring he got LIT up on defense in 2016 guarding kyrie as his primary assignment.

What do you want me to do with this?

LeBron was in peak form middle prime in 2011. He choked. Anybody that faced LeBron in that capacity got an easier matchup than facing him in 2012 or 2018 form. Same goes for the 2016 Finals splash bros vs today.

Are you seriously disputing that?

Wow you’re really not comprehending what I’m saying at all.

So if someone plays better in a series we automatically assume that the overall way someone has it is tougher? Those 3 players were superior in 2016. All of them were better then.

My argument is that you are ignoring an insane amount of factors. You try to pick on each one as if I’m using them individually as an end all be all. I’m not. It’s everything

[tpols]

Wow you’re really not comprehending what I’m saying at all.


Really? You didn't say this?



What about Cleveland’s game plan defensively against them?

What about how Cleveland was a superior defensive team than the regular season numbers show due to Lebron coasting?


Theres no excuse you can make to say the 2016 Finals performance of klay and curry is better than their current performance. That could change, but they are playing better now than they did in that instance.

[tpols]

So if someone plays better in a series we automatically assume that the overall way someone has it is tougher?


:roll:

YES.

Are you serious? If your opponent plays better... it will be harder for you to win.

If curry went bananas in the 2016 Finals it would have been almost IMPOSSIBLE for Cleveland to win. They barely won with him playing like shit.

Did you seriously just ask me if it's tougher to win when your competition is playing great?

[ShawkFactory]

Really? You didn't say this?



Theres no excuse you can make to say the 2016 Finals performance of klay and curry is better than their current performance. That could change, but they are playing better now than they did in that instance.

Sure I said it. That’s also not at all the only thing I said. You based your rebuttal that.

There are no excuses I’m giving. I’m giving context. No one is saying that they played better in vacuum that series than they are right now. There’s just a myriad of factors as to why that you continue to ignore.

Lebron played better in 2020 than in 2011. I don’t think anyone is going to say that they Mavs had it easier, except apparently you now. And if that’s the case, why does Dirk get so much credit?

[Shooter]

:roll:

YES.

Are you serious? If your opponent plays better... it will be harder for you to win.

If curry went bananas in the 2016 Finals it would have been almost IMPOSSIBLE for Cleveland to win. They barely won with him playing like shit.

Did you seriously just ask me if it's tougher to win when your competition is playing great?

So then LeBron is the Goat? Thanks

[ShawkFactory]

:roll:

YES.

Are you serious? If your opponent plays better... it will be harder for you to win.

If curry went bananas in the 2016 Finals it would have been almost IMPOSSIBLE for Cleveland to win. They barely won with him playing like shit.

Did you seriously just ask me if it's tougher to win when your competition is playing great?

Yea, I did. What if the reason for your competition playing great is because of you?

Canelo is going to fight better against me than Bivol.

[GimmeThat]

thread goes on with an enraged poster comparing 1 player with 2 players. blatant moving screen. and believe self to be intellectually sound.

Griner is in jail in Russia for far less than that.

[dankok8]

In all seriousness if Lebron played his whole career in the West, his finals record would be like 3-0 instead of 4-6. He makes like 3 finals instead of 10.

[Lebron23]

In all seriousness if Lebron played his whole career in the West, his finals record would be like 3-0 instead of 4-6. He makes like 3 finals instead of 10.

OP is an idiot who never played basketball.

[Shooter]

OP is an idiot who never played basketball.

+1

[SouBeachTalents]

tpols is fcking DELUSIONAL :oldlol:

Trying to claim this version of Curry, coming off his worst season in a decade, is better than the unanimous FMVP version who led the league in scoring and his team to 73 wins.

That this post injury Klay is better than the one who made All-NBA, averaged 29 ppg without Curry in the playoffs, and saved the season with his ATG Game 6 in OKC.

That this version of Dray is better than the one who made All-NBA, averaged twice as many ppg as he does now, and was in line to win FMVP with an ATG Game 7.

Put the 2022 versions of those 3 on the 2016 they don't come remotely close to winning 73 games, and very likely lose to the Thunder in the conference finals.

[tpols]

tpols is fcking DELUSIONAL :oldlol:

Trying to claim this version of Curry, coming off his worst season in a decade, is better than the unanimous FMVP version who led the league in scoring and his team to 73 wins.

That this post injury Klay is better than the one who made All-NBA, averaged 29 ppg without Curry in the playoffs, and saved the season with his ATG Game 6 in OKC.

That this version of Dray is better than the one who made All-NBA, averaged twice as many ppg as he does now, and was in line to win FMVP with an ATG Game 7.

Put the 2022 versions of those 3 on the 2016 they don't come remotely close to winning 73 games, and very likely lose to the Thunder in the conference finals.

FMVP version?

Curry is averaging more points on better efficiency right now than he did in the 2016 Finals. FMVP version? What world are you living in that curry won FMVP in the 2016 Finals?

Klay averaged 16 ppg in the 2016 Finals on terrible %'s while being destroyed by Kyrie.

Dray is the ONLY one who was better because he could at least bang a 3 back then if its wide open. Now he has a better chance of becoming a Chinese citizen than hitting a jumper.

And Wiggins, Poole, Porter, Looney is > Barnes, Livingston, Iggy, and (injured) Bogut by a lot.

This warrior team is better than their 2016 version playoff wise given all the context.

[SouBeachTalents]

FMVP version?

Curry is averaging more points on better efficiency right now than he did in the 2016 Finals. FMVP version? What world are you living in that curry won FMVP in the 2016 Finals?

Klay averaged 16 ppg in the 2016 Finals on terrible %'s while being destroyed by Kyrie.

Dray is the ONLY one who was better because he could at least bang a 3 back then if its wide open. Now he has a better chance of becoming a Chinese citizen than hitting a jumper.

And Wiggins, Poole, Porter, Looney is > Barnes, Livingston, Iggy, and (injured) Bogut by a lot.

This warrior team is better than their 2016 version playoff wise given all the context.
Lmao, have to cling to a fcking typo, FMVP instead of MVP, because your point is such utter nonsense :lol

Curry had one of the greatest seasons in the history of the league in 2016, hence being the only unanimous MVP in the leagues 75 year history. While 2022 was his worst season in nearly 10 years.

And I guess you'll just straight up lie claiming Klay averaged 16 ppg in the 2016 Finals when he averaged 20. And if you look at the playoffs as a whole

2016: 24.3 ppg on 59%TS
2022: 19.5 ppg on 58%TS

That's right, he averaged more in the 2016 Finals than he is in the playoffs right now. And averaged nearly 5 ppg more in the '16 playoffs, on top of having the unquestionably better regular season.

[ShawkFactory]

Lmao, have to cling to a fcking typo, FMVP instead of MVP, because your point is such utter nonsense :lol

Curry had one of the greatest seasons in the history of the league in 2016, hence being the only unanimous MVP in the leagues 75 year history. While 2022 was his worst season in nearly 10 years.

And I guess you'll just straight up lie claiming Klay averaged 16 ppg in the 2016 Finals when he averaged 20. And if you look at the playoffs as a whole

2016: 24.3 ppg on 59%TS
2022: 19.5 ppg on 58%TS

That's right, he averaged more in the 2016 Finals than he is in the playoffs right now. And averaged nearly 5 ppg more in the '16 playoffs, on top of having the unquestionably better regular season.

Here’s a good one: Dwight Howard did 26/13 against the Cavs in 2009 and 15/15 against the Lakers.

Should we just chalk that title up to the Lakers being lucky that Dwight played worse?

[SouBeachTalents]

Here’s a good one: Dwight Howard did 26/13 against the Cavs in 2009 and 15/15 against the Lakers.

Should we just chalk that title up to the Lakers being lucky that Dwight played worse?
We also know he'd NEVER downplay Dirk's 2011 due to LeBron & Kobe playing like absolute ass :lol

[tpols]

Lmao, have to cling to a fcking typo, FMVP instead of MVP, because your point is such utter nonsense :lol

Curry had one of the greatest seasons in the history of the league in 2016, hence being the only unanimous MVP in the leagues 75 year history. While 2022 was his worst season in nearly 10 years.

And I guess you'll just straight up lie claiming Klay averaged 16 ppg in the 2016 Finals when he averaged 20. And if you look at the playoffs as a whole

2016: 24.3 ppg on 59%TS
2022: 19.5 ppg on 58%TS

That's right, he averaged more in the 2016 Finals than he is in the playoffs right now. And averaged nearly 5 ppg more in the '16 playoffs, on top of having the unquestionably better regular season.

That's not really a typo my guy. More like a Freudian slip.

My only argument was the version of klay and curry that LeBron beat were not playing as well as they are now.

You just showed klay is averaging the same numbers this playoffs as the 2016 Finals.

:biggums:

If LeBron himself clamped them as a primary defender? Youd have a point. But he didn't. Curry was clanking on isos with Kevin Love.

Just because they were better in the regular season than they are now? Has nothing to do with how they played vs Cleveland. Because they dropped off a cliff vs them.

As I said before, 2018 LeBron was older and not in as good a shape as 2011 LeBron. (or 2010 LeBron or 2012 LeBron)

But PHYSICALLY wise he was closer to his peak. Yet he choked. It would've been much harder for Dirk and the mavs to beat the Heat with veteran 2018 LeBron than with the 2011 version despite him being much older in the former scenario. This is because veterans tend to have way more composure.

Do we need to break out the 2016 Finals averages vs the 2022 playoff averages regarding curry and Olay again?

Let me know.

[SouBeachTalents]

^ There's so much wrong with this post, I'm only going to make a couple of brief points

1. You were clowning Klay for his 2016 Finals performance, not even realizing he's averaging less in the playoffs now :lol The fact this needs to be articulated to you kind of speaks volumes

2. LeBron actually spent numerous possessions guarding Curry, certainly more than Love, who you unsurprisingly flat out lie claiming that one instance in Game 7 was indicative of how the series played out

3. Let's see you disavow Dirk's 2011 title run since he had absolutely nothing to do defensively with either Kobe or LeBron's struggles. Or as Shawk said Kobe's '09 title since he had nothing to do with guarding Dwight

Yeah, Curry was atrocious in the Finals, but he was significantly better than this version of Curry for a nearly 90 game sample size. I'll laugh if Curry ends up getting locked down by Boston in the Finals :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

At full strength, the Warriors were better in 2016.

Dray got suspended, Bogut missed like 3 games in the finals (torn knee) and Iguodala sprained his back. All healthy? They're as tough as they come.

[tpols]

1) The fact that klay is averaging the same production throughout this years playoffs as he did in the 2016 Finals is a counter to your argument that he was way better back then vs now.

2) You're lying through your teeth on this point. LeBron was in no way shape or form the primary defender on either klay or curry in the 2016 Finals. Everybody in every game gets switched off at times with other defenders.

3) This devalues your previous point that Lebrons defense was the main contributing factor in curry and klay playing bad by admitting Dirk defensively wasn't the reason Kobe and LeBron played poorly...

Kobe played like shit in the 1st round Hornets series vs Chris Paul and was what he was regardless of Dallas defense. Lebron was crap because... He mentally choked. Just like curry and klay in the 2016 Finals. All 3 players choked and were easy targets in that version of them.

[Spurs m8]

Yep...there's at least 6 finals he wouldn't have made

Plus his actual time in West he hasn't done anything in a proper season .lottery out West

[Shooter]

At full strength, the Warriors were better in 2016.

Dray got suspended, Bogut missed like 3 games in the finals (torn knee) and Iguodala sprained his back. All healthy? They're as tough as they come.

Are we really talking about Bogut who played 5 of 7 games meaning he only missed 2? :lol The same guy that was averaging 12 mpg in the 2016 Finals Andrew Bogut? Come on bro...

[1987_Lakers]

Are we really talking about Bogut who played 5 of 7 games meaning he only missed 2? :lol The same guy that was averaging 12 mpg in the 2016 Finals Andrew Bogut? Come on bro...

The funny thing is the Warriors won without Bogut the moment they took him out of the starting lineup for Iggy in 2015. Think they were down 1-2 in the series with Bogut starting.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Are we really talking about Bogut who played 5 of 7 games meaning he only missed 2? :lol The same guy that was averaging 12 mpg in the 2016 Finals Andrew Bogut? Come on bro...

With as thin a margin Game 7 was, I'd rather have Bogut in the paint than 'Festus' lol.

Not really arguing Bogut's impact though. More so the '16 team being superior than this years verz.

[Shooter]

With as thin a margin Game 7 was, I'd rather have Bogut in the paint than 'Festus' lol.

Not really arguing Bogut's impact though. More so the '16 team being superior than this years verz.

So LeBron's greatness and Curry's failure is hinging on some 7th string playing 12 minutes or not? :lol

Do you see how ridiculous that is?

[Shooter]

The funny thing is the Warriors won without Bogut the moment they took him out of the starting lineup for Iggy in 2015. Think they were down 1-2 in the series with Bogut starting.

Bingo. There's a reason why he came off the bench and played limited minutes.

[SouBeachTalents]

1) The fact that klay is averaging the same production throughout this years playoffs as he did in the 2016 Finals is a counter to your argument that he was way better back then vs now.

2) You're lying through your teeth on this point. LeBron was in no way shape or form the primary defender on either klay or curry in the 2016 Finals. Everybody in every game gets switched off at times with other defenders.

3) This devalues your previous point that Lebrons defense was the main contributing factor in curry and klay playing bad by admitting Dirk defensively wasn't the reason Kobe and LeBron played poorly...

Kobe played like shit in the 1st round Hornets series vs Chris Paul and was what he was regardless of Dallas defense. Lebron was crap because... He mentally choked. Just like curry and klay in the 2016 Finals. All 3 players choked and were easy targets in that version of them.
1. Does this really need to be explained to you bro, like seriously :lol Your entire basis for claiming Klay was worse in 2016 was specifically his Finals performance, which even going by that 7 game sample size, he was still averaging more ppg than he currently is now. That doesn't even include his All-NBA season in 2016, or averaging nearly 5 more ppg over the 2016 playoffs than he is this year. Barring some resurgence the rest of the playoffs, you have absolutely no leg to stand on claiming this post 30's, post injury Klay is better than he was healthy, in his prime, making the All-NBA Team in 2016.

2. Show me where I claimed LeBron was Curry's primary defender? I said he defended him on numerous occasions, which he did, and certainly more than Love did.

3. I think LeBron played a factor in Curry's struggles, I never claimed he was the main reason for them. And he for sure played a SIGNIFICANTLY bigger defensive role in the 2016 chip than Dirk did in his.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So LeBron's greatness and Curry's failure is hinging on some 7th string playing 12 minutes or not? :lol

Do you see how ridiculous that is?

You're framing it that way. Not me.

I'm just saying the guy had impact. Along with Dray and Iguodala...

Relax bruh. It aint that serious

[Spurs m8]

Jeez, we've upset them, AGAIN

Keep crying, fellas

[red1]

I love reading takes from lebron haters. It just reminds me of how fun of a ride it was from 2003-2020.


What a GOAT. How polarizing you are is good evidence of top-tier GOAT status.


Undisputed top-2 of all-time.

[3ba11]

How many step-backs was Curry doing in 2016?

He's so much better at them now.. His handle is more seamless too.

He's savvier.. He has a few dominant Finals under his belt (17-19').

So he's a much better player and his team has 3 go-to players (Curry, Wiggins, Poole), versus only 1 in 2016.

Essentially, the Warriors are no longer living off the strategy advantage they had in 2016 - everyone has caught up to the 3-pointer objective, so these Warriors are legitimately better than everyone right now

[red1]

How many step-backs was Curry doing in 2016?

He's so much better at them now.. His handle is more seamless too.

He's savvier.. He has a few dominant Finals under his belt (17-19').

So he's a much better player and his team has 3 go-to players (Curry, Wiggins, Poole), versus only 1 in 2016.

Essentially, the Warriors are no longer living off the strategy advantage they had in 2016 - everyone has caught up to the 3-pointer objective, so these Warriors are legitimately better than everyone right now

the announcing team was mentioning all game yesterday that the warriors made their comeback with curry and draymond on the bench... looney and wiggins were going off to keep the warriors in the game while curry was on the bench...


you're ****ing mentally retarded if you think an increase in curry's skills from 2016 are playing a significant role in this series against the mavs right now...

[3ba11]

the announcing team was mentioning all game yesterday that the warriors made their comeback with curry and draymond on the bench... looney and wiggins were going off to keep the warriors in the game while curry was on the bench...


you're ****ing mentally retarded if you think an increase in curry's skills from 2016 are playing a significant role in this series against the mavs right now...


The superior Warrior's are due to an increase in Curry's overall ability AND a superior cast than 2016 - the 16' cast had zero go-to players, while this year's cast has 2 (Poole, Wiggins)

[red1]

The superior Warrior's are due to an increase in Curry's overall ability AND a superior cast than 2016 - the 16' cast had zero go-to players, while this year's cast has 2 (Poole, Wiggins)

my dude. you said if lebron could win a non-heat ring, you'd acknowledge his status as the most talented player since mj. you said he couldn't do it.


he did it twice.


why are you still shifting goal-posts? buh buh AD and buh buh kyrie are weak arguments. even skip has come around. he now says lebron is the most talented driver of the ball of all-time and the most gifted athlete he's seen with the single highest bball IQ in the league.



just let it go and give it to me. undisputed top-2 of all-time.

[3ba11]

my dude. you said if lebron could win a non-heat ring, you'd acknowledge his status as the most talented player since mj. you said he couldn't do it.


he did it twice.


why are you still shifting goal-posts? buh buh AD and buh buh kyrie are weak arguments. even skip has come around. he now says lebron is the most talented driver of the ball of all-time and the most gifted athlete he's seen with the single highest bball IQ in the league.



just let it go and give it to me. undisputed top-2 of all-time.


I never said any of that shit

Lebron needs to win 6 rings while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load) to match MJ's ability.

He's done that exactly zero times.. His spotty-shooting ball-domination always needed equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention in the Finals, so he never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load while winning Finals)

[red1]

I never said any of that shit

Lebron needs to win 6 rings while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load) to match MJ's ability.

He's done that exactly zero times.. His spotty-shooting ball-domination always needed equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention in the Finals, so he never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load while winning Finals)

yeah you ****ing did. you literally argued that his style would never win a ring outside of his first two "superteam rings"


dont ****ing lie now. I know its hard to keep track when you always flip flop and lie. all the lies start blurring together.

[3ba11]

yeah you ****ing did. you literally argued that his style would never win a ring outside of his first two "superteam rings"


dont ****ing lie now. I know its hard to keep track when you always flip flop and lie. all the lies start blurring together.


Nope.. You're confusing me with someone else.

Let me explain something - Lebron's super-teams yielded perennial Finals underdogs, but that means he's still expected to win 1 of 3 times...

Who can't win 1 of 3 times with super-teams????..

the real travesty is that his super-teams are the preseason favorite (talent favorite) that falls to Finals underdog or loser for 6 years (11-16') - this proves weak brand of ball because ony a poor brand can make favored talent underachieve.

[red1]

Nope.. You're confusing me with someone else.

Let me explain something - Lebron's super-teams yielded perennial Finals underdogs, but that means he's still expected to win 1 of 3 times...

Who can't win 1 of 3 times with super-teams????..

the real travesty is that his super-team talent are perennial underdogs, which equals poor brand of ball - only a poor brand can make favored talent underachieve.
Who can't yield perennial underdogs wi

blah blah blah

shut the **** up you lying fakkit.


you're already doing the same shit with luka that you already did with curry. aka propping them up and supporting them until they get compared with mj.



who celebrates when a 23-year old kid is getting shit on by a juggernaut - oh wait I know.



insecure mj stans. key word is insecure. :oldlol:

[Axe]

He's not even a true mj stan. Don't be a dumbfukk. :lol

[BarberSchool]

Re-iterating:

LeBron’s lone win against the Warriors came after JR Smith dove into Bogut’s knee early, injuring Bogut and putting him out for the series, allowing LeBron to go to the bucket all series. To put it in perspective, Bogut blocked five shots in the first half of game 1, 3 of them LeBron’s layup attempts, then got his knee dove into, and the rest is history.

Also that series, Draymond got suspended.

[red1]

Re-iterating:

LeBron’s lone win against the Warriors came after JR Smith dove into Bogut’s knee early, injuring Bogut and putting him out for the series, allowing LeBron to go to the bucket all series. To put it in perspective, Bogut blocked five shots in the first half of game 1, 3 of them LeBron’s layup attempts, then got his knee dove into, and the rest is history.

Also that series, Draymond got suspended.

best player 2015 playoffs and finals - lebron
best player 2016 playoffs and finals - lebron
best player 2017 playoffs and finals - lebron
best player 2018 playoffs and finals - lebron


that's all 4 years against the warriors.

[SouBeachTalents]

Re-iterating:

LeBron’s lone win against the Warriors came after JR Smith dove into Bogut’s knee early, injuring Bogut and putting him out for the series, allowing LeBron to go to the bucket all series. To put it in perspective, Bogut blocked five shots in the first half of game 1, 3 of them LeBron’s layup attempts, then got his knee dove into, and the rest is history.

Also that series, Draymond got suspended.
Yeah, not like they added peak Kevin Durant for the last 2 matchups :lol Or that Kyrie & Love missed virtually the entire first series.

[red1]

Yeah, not like they added peak Kevin Durant for the last 2 matchups :lol Or that Kyrie & Love missed virtually the entire series the first time.

shaq and chuck agree with us - they're both on kd's ass right now because they know he was a bus-rider :roll:

[Shooter]

How many step-backs was Curry doing in 2016?

He's so much better at them now.. His handle is more seamless too.

He's savvier.. He has a few dominant Finals under his belt (17-19').

So he's a much better player and his team has 3 go-to players (Curry, Wiggins, Poole), versus only 1 in 2016.

Essentially, the Warriors are no longer living off the strategy advantage they had in 2016 - everyone has caught up to the 3-pointer objective, so these Warriors are legitimately better than everyone right now

I'm finding it hard to believe your posts aren't 100% trolls every time. Mostly because everything you say is literally wrong and the opposite.

REMINDER:
2016 Curry had a first ever unanimous MVP season producing 30 ppg, 50/40/90 season winning 73-games and you're asking about how many step backs he did?

[Shooter]

Nope.. You're confusing me with someone else.

Let me explain something - Lebron's super-teams yielded perennial Finals underdogs, but that means he's still expected to win 1 of 3 times...

Who can't win 1 of 3 times with super-teams????..

the real travesty is that his super-teams are the preseason favorite (talent favorite) that falls to Finals underdog or loser for 6 years (11-16') - this proves weak brand of ball because ony a poor brand can make favored talent underachieve.

Who can't win 1 of three times?

MJ lost three times in the 1st round, all in a row :roll:

https://i.postimg.cc/bwYhN9kb/LeFam_Happy_af.gif

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[LeGoat4Life]

Levirgin still haven’t made the playoff yet without Daddy Ad