Michael Franzese on Michael Jordan's Father Killed Over Jordan's Gambling [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

BarberSchool

05-22-2022, 12:27 PM

Here’s the finer details:

Jordan during the off season after the suns finals victory (First three-peat), was playing very high stakes skins golf with some chicago area organized crime figures, whom with he made a lot of money betting on his own victories in the two previous playoff runs.

Betting a quarter million ($250,000) per 92 finals game, on his own Bulls to win titles; was a useful tool to Michael, to keep his competitive motor running at its absolute highest it could. He had to increase it to a half million per game ($500,000) in 1993 to stay as motivated as he needed to be to overcome that Suns squad. And since gambling on sports at the time was highly illegal in every state besides Nevada, Michael needed to use these guys’ services to place his bets and collect his winnings.

Needless to say, everyone involved made lots of money, the bookies/mafia were happy with their vigorish cut of all michaels winnings, and some of them became quasi-friends with Michael. After all, fame and winning are fun to be around, and infectious.

So fast forward to when Michael would lose these holes of high stakes skins golf to these guys…. Michael was so competitive, that he always wanted to go double or nothing when he lost. So they did. A lot. And apparently, Michael didn’t want to ever concede defeat and pay up. So after some time of thinking his competitive nature was cute, the quasi-friendships began to grow cold, and the organized crime figures grew tired of Michael being so competitive, that he didn’t want to pay up his golf losses to them. Many months of patient threats went by, and Michael was on top of the sports world, and probably felt like they would not follow thru on their threats, and would eventually play some more double or nothing skins golf.

Michael knew they obviously wouldn’t kill him, because they stood to make so much more money in the coming seasons where Michael was destined to win even more championships. And he didn’t believe their threats against his loved ones, if he didn’t pay up his debts. And he had too much integrity to fix games/shave points. Michael thought he was calling their bluff, and that the sure prospect of many more millions of mutual earnings for all parties involved, was his insurance policy against any of their threats.

Then when these organized crime guys talked to some of their associates from the southeastern USA, and gave Michael a few real life scares to his relatives, and Michael still refused to pay up his millions in debt to them, they arranged thru many levels of detachment, for a few non-Italian/non-Jewish/non-mafia dipshit retard criminals to go make it happen, with a cover story for the Jewish side of the mafia, to make it look like a carjacking gone bad in their national media. And that’s exactly what happened. The two idiots who did it, didn’t even realize who wanted it to happen or why, they never met any of them parties involved in setting it up. They even stupidly drove the red Lexus around after they killed him, like the true retard fall guys they were. And they didn’t even have to be killed in prison, or during trial, since they never met or knew the names of the parties who wanted it to happen, to force their former friend to pay them what he owed them.

Needless to say, it drastically changed Michael Jordan’s feelings towards Jewish and Italian people. He never trusted any Italian or Jewish sports radio personalities after that, didn’t do any interviews with radio hosts he used to, and He hated Krause and Rheinsdorf even more after this, and the final three-peat was a constantly tense mutually hateful interior battle between Jewish Bulls ownership & management, and Jordan himself.

But despite the horrible, murderous distrust, it didn’t stop Michael and Scottie and their new revamped Bulls roster, from winning that 2nd three-peat. It just wasn’t as pure or enjoyable as the first one.

It’s one of the reasons why I don’t particularly enjoy watching the final 3 titles, and vastly prefer the 92 blazers series, and the 93 Suns series. They’re just much more pure and innocently motivated championships; relatively speaking.

R.I.P. James Jordan, the most innocent, hard-working man in all of this. :bowdown:

Bronbron23

05-22-2022, 12:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEvYav8mFLQ

:(:(:(:(

It was always a strong possibility that MJ's pops was killed over his gambling. As MJ fan I never cared because I like MJ for his game not his character. If it was a character contest MJ would be one of the worst ever.

Soundwave

03-17-2023, 01:02 AM

Not really believable.

So let me get this straight, you're going to kill the most famous man's father on the planet (at least the famous person in America) ... and the mob who has a ton of pros that can accomplish that and take out some senior citizen no problem and never be found are going to hire/involve two whiny teenagers to do the job?

The two killers who did the carjacking have tried btw to squeal and rat on each other multiple times to try and get their sentences reduced over the last several years. If they were hired to do the job or set up by anyone, they'd be singing like Whitney Houston to tell the truth and get their sentences reduced. You're gonna hire two kids who are looking at life in prison? What's their incentive to spend the rest of their lives in jail? Like, lol, c'mon. They were 16 and 17 at the time. If this was a movie plot, that's about where I'd say this is the dumbest written mob movie ever.

If it was a mob hit, A) you'd likely never find the killer B) you wouldn't find the body C) it would be some guy in his 60s that the mob could control (ie: put weight on) and would be OK with potentially spending the rest of their life in jail. A pair of 16/17 year olds? lol, no.

Also "Jordan didn't trust Jewish or Italian people" again afterwards? Really? He was literally making a multi-million dollar movie called SPACE JAM with Ivan Reitman directing, produced by Daniel Goldberg two summers later.

John8204

03-17-2023, 03:10 AM

Soundwave

03-17-2023, 03:47 AM

If you are going to do a hit like that you don't really need a professional you need fall guys. Also by picking teenagers they don't have the same concept of time or history of connections. You also want as much space between the killers and the people ordering the hit. Same thing they did in Russia with Navalny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNFwimQNZg

It's an obvious chain but you kill one part of it and what are you going to do?

A pair of teenagers would be the *worst* fall guy, lol, they would squeal quickly and they *have*, they've tried repeatedly to pin the specifics of the murder on the other guy in order to try and get early parole (it's been denied for both of them by the way, just recently actually one of the guys was up for being freed on parole and guess what ... it was denied and the next hearing has been pushed back several years).

When you're 16/17 looking down the barrel of growing into an old man in jail, you'll break. No one is that dumb that they're going to flush the best years of their life (20s/30s/into their 40s) down the toilet.

So I don't buy it, it's a dumb premise.

Also they have said on record they were planning to rob a motel, and they've maintained that, it just so happened that they noticed a Lexus luxury car parked at a rest stop and opted to change their plan to rob the car instead. None of that was planned.

The mob did what here? Take radio control of Jordan's dad's car to stop at that specific stop at that exact time just right before they were about to rob a motel? It doesn't make any sense.

People don't want to believe regular ass crime shit can happen even to people who have very famous people in their family, but it can and it does.

John8204

03-17-2023, 05:44 AM

Full Court

03-17-2023, 06:54 AM

Hey, OP. LeShrivel is still only fringe top 10. Deal with it.

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Soundwave

03-17-2023, 11:44 AM

They can squeal but they don't know who they are squealing on. Keep in mind you have this thing called RICO laws two acts of criminal activity to tie in a group of individuals. By using a pair of uncommitted teenagers your organization can avoid being tied to it. You don't really need a criminal mastermind to kill a middleaged mechniac who doesn't know it's coming. The more important of the crime is to keep yourself covered in the getaway.

The problem is what you're saying doesn't even make sense.

If they were contacted by some mystery person some how, they would definitely squeal about being coerced into doing something.

After all, it's a perfectly viable defence (hey, don't blame us, we're just stupid 16/17 year old kids this was a master plan of someone bigger than us, an adult!). At the very least they could have likely ducked a life in prison sentence, so why would they not at some point play the best card they have for a legal defence? After 2-3 months in jail, the cold hard reality of being in jail for the rest of your youth would kick in hard.

They don't even have to prove exactly who set them up as a fall person, they just have to create reasonable doubt that they did not act alone and were coerced.

Like take 5 seconds to think about this, you can gather this information to create an online theory, but these guys stuck in jail for 30 years wouldn't at some point think "hey yeah ... you know what? We were totally set up here". lol.

Beyond that it still doesn't make sense how James Jordan would be in the exact spot at that exact time to get killed.

Again as I said if this was as movie plot, this is about the point in the movie where I'd check out because the writing is terrible.

It also doesn't line up with their version of events, they've and never changed their story that they were about to rob a motel and just happened to come across the luxury Lexus vehicle and decided to rob and steal that instead, which actually makes sense since a Lexus (especially in the early 90s when the brand was the new hotness) would be a bigger score than probably the few hundred bucks they would've gotten from robbing a motel's cash register.

ImKobe

03-17-2023, 11:49 AM

Soundwave

03-17-2023, 12:01 PM

And why would they kill his father? Wouldn't it make more sense to kidnap him and force Jordan to pay up his debts? Why ruin the lives of two teenagers when you could stage a car accident or a suicide with no witnesses involved?

Jordan haters love coming up with stories but none of them make any sense.

Pretty much, yeah. You would never use a 16 year old and a 17 year old to do this either ... like lol, think about it for even 30 seconds.

A police officer grilling them hard for 30 minutes and threatening them with life in prison and they'd be crying and at least screwing up their story.

Most 16/17 year olds can't even work at a Burger King without ****ing up, you're going to entrust the killing of the most famous man in the world's father to two kids and then assume they will hold up under intense scrutiny from police and in court, keep their story straight and consistent, and then never say anything in jail, during parole hearings, etc. etc. even though they their entire life is being flushed down the toilet?

At 16/17 even like hearing 10 years in prison would make just about any 16/17 year old break down and weep, 10 years for a 16/17 year old sounds like an eternity.

Also how many mob hits have you ever heard of where the police find the body like a week later, lol. It's pretty ****ing stupid if you really use any critical thinking.

TheMan

03-17-2023, 12:57 PM

The FBI investigation found no links to it being a mob hit, everything else is mere speculation by conspiracy nuts.

John8204

03-17-2023, 01:01 PM

The problem is what you're saying doesn't even make sense.

If they were contacted by some mystery person some how, they would definitely squeal about being coerced into doing something.

After all, it's a perfectly viable defence (hey, don't blame us, we're just stupid 16/17 year old kids this was a master plan of someone bigger than us, an adult!). At the very least they could have likely ducked a life in prison sentence, so why would they not at some point play the best card they have for a legal defence? After 2-3 months in jail, the cold hard reality of being in jail for the rest of your youth would kick in hard.

They don't even have to prove exactly who set them up as a fall person, they just have to create reasonable doubt that they did not act alone and were coerced.

Like take 5 seconds to think about this, you can gather this information to create an online theory, but these guys stuck in jail for 30 years wouldn't at some point think "hey yeah ... you know what? We were totally set up here". lol.

Beyond that it still doesn't make sense how James Jordan would be in the exact spot at that exact time to get killed.

Again as I said if this was as movie plot, this is about the point in the movie where I'd check out because the writing is terrible.

It also doesn't line up with their version of events, they've and never changed their story that they were about to rob a motel and just happened to come across the luxury Lexus vehicle and decided to rob and steal that instead, which actually makes sense since a Lexus (especially in the early 90s when the brand was the new hotness) would be a bigger score than probably the few hundred bucks they would've gotten from robbing a motel's cash register.

It's not really that crazy that Mafia guys have business connections with local gangs and someone in that local gang used those teenagers. These young killers could have easily been marks and their might have been others who were told to follow and get rid of this guy. This wasn't a hard kill, if you know the story of Richard Kuklinski was a hitman for the Gambino crime family. Now the feds say he wasn't the guy mostly because of RICO laws. Kuklinski wasn't going to rat out the guys that were paying for him to do the hits because then he dies...or his kids die...or his family doesn't get paid and his family was being taken care of on the down low.

Point being mob guys try and have other criminals do the murders that don't have other business attachments to the base of the criminal enterprise.

If they were contacted by some mystery person some how, they would definitely squeal about being coerced into doing something.

Well with men that young and easy to manipulate I don't know how much coercion you would need. But a crime of this nature you really just need three middle men. One that has ties to the kids, One that has ties to the Mafia, and One that works as a go between. Maybe they try and flip on the guy that's the connection to the agent that set up the hit but you are in prison and you are tied to gangs so if you try and snitch and can't...you end up dead.

Like take 5 seconds to think about this, you can gather this information to create an online theory, but these guys stuck in jail for 30 years wouldn't at some point think "hey yeah ... you know what? We were totally set up here". lol.

Beyond that it still doesn't make sense how James Jordan would be in the exact spot at that exact time to get killed.

We don't know who was watching Jordan and for how long. Frankly it's possible Green was innocent didn't know anything and was just set up as the fall guy. One of the damning things about this case is the Robeson's Sheriff Office was littered with dozens of officers that got busted for corruption. It's a very dirty police department where the head of the department at the time...his son was a drug dealer.

John8204

03-17-2023, 01:07 PM

The FBI investigation found no links to it being a mob hit, everything else is mere speculation by conspiracy nuts.

Perhap's it's a conspiracy or you can look at the history of FBI investigations and what they prosecute and what they don't. The Fed's are only going to tell you the public about cases that are open and shut. They do this because it compromises other investigations and they don't owe you a damn thing.

Soundwave

03-17-2023, 02:05 PM

It's not really that crazy that Mafia guys have business connections with local gangs and someone in that local gang used those teenagers. These young killers could have easily been marks and their might have been others who were told to follow and get rid of this guy. This wasn't a hard kill, if you know the story of Richard Kuklinski was a hitman for the Gambino crime family. Now the feds say he wasn't the guy mostly because of RICO laws. Kuklinski wasn't going to rat out the guys that were paying for him to do the hits because then he dies...or his kids die...or his family doesn't get paid and his family was being taken care of on the down low.

Point being mob guys try and have other criminals do the murders that don't have other business attachments to the base of the criminal enterprise.

Well with men that young and easy to manipulate I don't know how much coercion you would need. But a crime of this nature you really just need three middle men. One that has ties to the kids, One that has ties to the Mafia, and One that works as a go between. Maybe they try and flip on the guy that's the connection to the agent that set up the hit but you are in prison and you are tied to gangs so if you try and snitch and can't...you end up dead.

We don't know who was watching Jordan and for how long. Frankly it's possible Green was innocent didn't know anything and was just set up as the fall guy. One of the damning things about this case is the Robeson's Sheriff Office was littered with dozens of officers that got busted for corruption. It's a very dirty police department where the head of the department at the time...his son was a drug dealer.

1.) How many mob hits are done by 16 and 17 year olds?

2.) What are the odds that BOTH of these kids would say nothing for 30+ years now and just go along with everything while throwing away the best years of their lives? After 30 minutes of hard interrogation likely one of these two cracks like an egg, if not that then probably a good week in adult jail would do the trick. Ain't no Super Nintendo's and Sega Genesis' and MTV in jail you dumb kid.

Even if they couldn't name specific perps, they would definitely sing louder than Mariah Carey that they'd been set up by an adult, any lawyer would jump all over that to try and get their sentence reduced or even voided entirely. There would be a strong sympathy card to play.

3.) You still haven't outlined a plausible way this could have been done, no one doubts the mob does hit jobs, but plausibility of them using two children to carry out a hit on the most famous man's family is incredibly dubious, if this was a movie script I'd slap you upside the head and tell you go re-write it with a more believable set up.

The timing just doesn't track either, the mob would have no way of knowing James Jordan was going to go sleep in a rest stop for a couple of hours, that is a completely random happenstance.

It just doesn't hold up under any kind of scrutiny, and no police department would be able to cover this story up either ... the most famous athlete involved in a mob murder hit ... like lol, how stupid do you think people are? Look at how much attention the OJ Simpson story got (story of the decade) just one year later and Jordan by the 90s was 100x the star that OJ was. No one in the media was interested enough to follow the bread crumbs on this case? You're talking about the biggest story of the decade, you realize that right? Only conspiracy nerds 20 years later were able to figure this out? That really strikes you as realistic?

The fact too is if the mob actually had all the dirt on Jordan to begin with (which by the way is not what Franzese even states in his video, he basically says he doesn't know either way what happened), there's really no need to do anything else like dicking around with Jordan Sr. They would have all the leverage over him that they needed to get him to pay back whatever with interest, all they'd have to do is threaten to leak the story to the press.

John8204

03-17-2023, 02:39 PM

1.) How many mob hits are done by 16 and 17 year olds?

In 1993...70-90% were done by 16-21 year olds. And if you are talking about an unarmed middleaged man you would use someone younger. And that's if Green was the actual button man or just the easiest guy to set up and send out.

2.) What are the odds that BOTH of these kids would say nothing for 30+ years now and just go along with everything while throwing away the best years of their lives? After 30 minutes of hard interrogation likely one of these two cracks like an egg, if not that then probably a good week in adult jail would do the trick. Ain't no Super Nintendo's and Sega Genesis' jail you dumb kid.

You are assuming that the killers were given information like that...the point of an organized crime hit is insulation. One of the kids got out the other one is a lifer...he might be completely innocent.

Even if they couldn't name specific perps, they would definitely sing louder than Mariah Carey that they'd been set up by an adult, any lawyer would jump all over that to try and get their sentence reduced or even voided entirely.

It's the South chances are the cops are part of the gangs to begin with.

3.) You still haven't outlined a plausible way this could have been done, no one doubts the mob does hit jobs, but plausibility of them using two children to carry out a hit on the most famous man's family is incredibly dubious, if this was a movie script I'd slap you upside the head and tell you go re-write it with a more believable set up.

Well here are some facts of the case...the body was dumped over state lines, the car was completely stripped. If it was just a carjacking why destroy the car and take the body into a swamp. The odds are that multiple vehicles were used at the time.

The timing just doesn't track either, the mob would have no way of knowing James Jordan was going to go sleep in a rest stop for a couple of hours, that is a completely random happenstance.

Maybe if he was tired from driving...or a middleaged man trolls rest stops for sex workers and it's his habit. But it's not that hard to follow and track someone especially if you have resources. PI's do it all the time...you think gangs don't have the same skill set as PI's.

It just doesn't hold up under any kind of scrutiny, and no police department would be able to cover this story up either ... the most famous athlete involved in a mob murder hit ... like lol, how stupid do you think people are? Look at how much attention the OJ Simpson story got (story of the decade) just one year later and Jordan by the 90s was 100x the star that OJ was. No one in the media was interested enough to follow the bread crumbs on this case? Just internet conspiracy makers 20 years later? lol, yeah sure.

OJ got off and like I said this police department gets busted for corruption all the time.

The fact too is if the mob actually had all the dirt on Jordan to begin with (which by the way is not what Franzese even states in his video, he basically says he doesn't know either way what happened), there's really no need to do anything else. They would have all the leverage over him that they needed to get him to pay back whatever with interest, all they'd have to do is threaten to leak the story.

We don't know how much money they managed to milk from Jordan or how many "bad games" he had. But killing his dad likely kept Jordan from talking and he likely had more valuable information and access than a pair of low level teens.

Soundwave

03-17-2023, 02:45 PM

In 1993...70-90% were done by 16-21 year olds. And if you are talking about an unarmed middleaged man you would use someone younger. And that's if Green was the actual button man or just the easiest guy to set up and send out.

You are assuming that the killers were given information like that...the point of an organized crime hit is insulation. One of the kids got out the other one is a lifer...he might be completely innocent.

It's the South chances are the cops are part of the gangs to begin with.

Well here are some facts of the case...the body was dumped over state lines, the car was completely stripped. If it was just a carjacking why destroy the car and take the body into a swamp. The odds are that multiple vehicles were used at the time.

Maybe if he was tired from driving...or a middleaged man trolls rest stops for sex workers and it's his habit. But it's not that hard to follow and track someone especially if you have resources. PI's do it all the time...you think gangs don't have the same skill set as PI's.

OJ got off and like I said this police department gets busted for corruption all the time.

We don't know how much money they managed to milk from Jordan or how many "bad games" he had. But killing his dad likely kept Jordan from talking and he likely had more valuable information and access than a pair of low level teens.

Bottom line is someone had to contact these kids and tell them what to do.

They would sing within 45 minutes of being interrogated hard if that was the case.

The OJ point is it was THE BIGGEST ****ING STORY OF THE DECADE for an entire 3 years non-stop. Do you really think no one in the media would follow up on this story on Michael Jordan who frankly was way, way, way, way, way, more famous than OJ Simpson by the 90s?

If the mob did this

1.) They'd never have found the killer.

2.) They'd never have found the body either.

The whole premise any way you want to spin this is basically the mob bet the farm on two 16-17 year old kids basically not cracking and saying nothing under massive duress through police interrogation, a full trial with media coverage, etc. etc. And oh yeah, no one in the press would really follow up on any of this, it's just some internet sleuths 20+ years later, lol. It's not believable, if it was a movie I'd want my money back as it would be the dumbest mob movie ever made, it gets dumber the more you think about it.

John8204

03-17-2023, 04:00 PM

Soundwave

03-17-2023, 07:18 PM

Tupac, Biggie, Sonny Liston, and Jam Master Jay would point out getting celebrity killers isn't automatic. And when you cross state lines and put a body in a swamp that's a pretty good sign the killers were given directions not just a simple carjacking.

See the problem with giving the story detail like that is it just creates more questions that don't match up.

So the mob instructed them on where and how to dump the body to avoid detection, but yet they failed at getting rid of the body because the police found the body a week later.

How many big, important mob hits do the police find the body a week later? If this was a mob job, that body is never being found.

Also they were being guided through this whole process, not only presumably where to be and when and what to do but that correspondence even continued *after* the killing and included specific instructions on how to dump the body?

And neither of these two thought about bringing this up to their lawyer? Ever? In 30 years? Not even for parole hearings? Both have tried by the way to desperately get parole and have had lawyers try to appeal this case repeatedly, it's not like they're sitting in jail quiet as a mouse. Like it doesn't pass the smell test.

The more plausible explanation is exactly the one that they've told straight up ... after the killing they went through the wallet/car and THEN realized it was Michael Jordan's father. At that point, it makes complete sense that they panicked and crossed state lines to try and get the body away from the scene of the murder because they knew the police would be hot on this case and they needed to buy as much time as possible.

Norcaliblunt

03-17-2023, 07:44 PM

Soundwave

03-17-2023, 07:50 PM

People wanna use common sense when it comes to Michael Jordan’s fathers death but no one in their right mind parks and sleeps on the side of highways. Not even bums.

That’s common sense for plebs yet the father of the worlds most famous father sleeps on the side of highways lol. Makes no sense.

It was a rest stop area ... the whole point of a rest stop area is to be able to sleep for a couple of hours, lol. He didn't just park randomly on the side of a high way. And this was something James Jordan was known to do for years before Jordan became famous (he would rather sleep for a couple of hours at a rest stop rather than pay money for a hotel room).

Parents that grow up frugal tend to stay that way in a lot of ways, especially folks born pre-1960. I've known people who were millionaires due to real estate but because they came up poor and it would literally be a fight with their family members to get them to buy a new suit as they thought their cheap ass suit from 15 years prior was good enough. Warren Buffett is so cheap that he will never pay for first class or even for extra legroom on an airplane, always flies cheap ass economy right next to random dude making 40k a year.

Wayne Gretzky's dad refused to move out of their single garage home in a small town even though Wayne wanted to buy him a big fancy home in Toronto, he lived in the same small house he bought on the salary of an electrician from 1950-something in small town Brantford. Wayne finally convinced him like after 20 years to allow a swimming pool to be put into the backyard but that was about it.

Norcaliblunt

03-17-2023, 07:55 PM

Plebes don’t sleep at rest stops let alone rich peeps stfu.

Soundwave

03-17-2023, 08:20 PM

Plebes don’t sleep at rest stops let alone rich peeps stfu.

For you you have no concept of it because you're a kid.

A lot of people born in the 1930s are frugal as ****.

Wayne Gretzky's dad and mom (and even several of his siblings) refused to move out of this house even though Wayne begged his father to let him buy him a big home:

https://cdn.canada247.info/assets/uploads/178ac03ec575e499cf836f1f7a6e34a9_-ontario-brantford-wayne-gretzky-childhood-home-519-756-9900html.jpg

Would you guess looking at that modest, single garage home that that family has a son who lives here:

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/SRzfmq75QBmYifdGJp5se-1920-80.jpg.webp

People born in the 30s/40s/50s were just a different breed. A lot of them grew up on farms where you had to work your ass off and didn't have "luxuries" like running hot water and electricity. Warren Buffet (also born in the 30s) refuses to pay even an extra $50-$60 on a flight to bump himself up to even premium economy class even though he's been at times the richest person on the planet.

Rich people aren't a monolith, some of them are weird or just old fashioned or just cheap. Elon Musk apparently lives in one of these things, lol

https://i.insider.com/610d4c9a2a24d00018621294?width=700

That generation James Jordan was from just has a lot of people who in the "that car only has 200k miles on it? It's easily got another 100k left on it! Why are you buying a new car!" type thinking, lol. I've seen it first hand.

Norcaliblunt

03-17-2023, 08:24 PM

For you you have no concept of it because you're a kid.

A lot of people born in the 1930s are frugal as ****.

Wayne Gretzky's dad refused to move out of this house even though Wayne begged him to let him buy him a big home:

https://cdn.canada247.info/assets/uploads/178ac03ec575e499cf836f1f7a6e34a9_-ontario-brantford-wayne-gretzky-childhood-home-519-756-9900html.jpg

While Gretzky himself lives here

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/SRzfmq75QBmYifdGJp5se-1920-80.jpg.webp

People born in the 30s/40s/50s were just a different breed. Warren Buffet (also born in the 30s) refuses to pay even an extra $50-$60 on a flight to bump himself up to even premium economy class even though he's been at times the richest person on the planet.

Rich people aren't a monolith, some of them are weird or just old fashioned. Elon Musk apparently lives in one of these things, lol

https://i.insider.com/610d4c9a2a24d00018621294?width=700

No kid here fool. Just a mofo who’s lived all over America and knows real peeps don’t sleep at rest stops for any real period of time like dumbasses. Lol. MJS dad ain’t that dumb.

Hey Yo

03-17-2023, 08:24 PM

Lemieux >>>>> Gretzky

Norcaliblunt

03-17-2023, 08:29 PM

People wanna act like cheapness is what kill MJ’s father. Big LOL.

Y’all are ****ing stupid.

Soundwave

03-17-2023, 08:38 PM

No kid here fool. Just a mofo who’s lived all over America and knows real peeps don’t sleep at rest stops for any real period of time like dumbasses. Lol. MJS dad ain’t that dumb.

The fact is it's been verified that Jordan's dad did in fact do just that by multiple people in his family. It was a common thing for him.

It's not that wild either, if you're only planning to sleep for like 1-2 hours just to rest up, paying for a hotel just to take a nap is a bit of a pain in the ass to begin with. You gotta check in and do all that shit and then check out like 2 hours later? This is also the early 90s when you didn't have rapid check out and all that shit, it was old fashioned cash in, have to sign paper forms and all that shit. It's not really that uncommon for people who drive a lot/are on the road a lot. I've taken a nap at a rest area before while making a 12 hour cross country drive for much the same reason. I wasn't tired enough to sleep like 8 hours, but I needed about 90 minutes off the road. Now granted I wasn't alone, but I don't think it's some unbelievable thing.

Especially when it's an area you've grown up your whole life in, this isn't like random ass nowhere, James Jordan was country as ****, he knew all the back roads and all those areas.

Again though this point isn't a debate, it's verified by his own family and friends that he James Jordan had done this many times before, so like I'm not really sure what the point of banging that drum even is. It doesn't even change the point that the mob wouldn't hire two children to do this job to begin with and then never say a word about it while flushing their teens/20s/30s/40s down the toilet.

Norcaliblunt

03-17-2023, 08:43 PM

The fact is it's been verified that Jordan's dad did in fact do just that by multiple people in his family. It was a common thing for him.

It's not that wild either, if you're only planning to sleep for like 1-2 hours just to rest up, paying for a hotel just to take a nap is a bit of a pain in the ass to begin with. You gotta check in and do all that shit and then check out like 2 hours later? It's not really that uncommon for people who drive a lot/are on the road a lot. I've taken a nap at a rest area before while making a 12 hour cross country drive for much the same reason. I wasn't tired enough to sleep like 8 hours, but I needed about 90 minutes off the road. Now granted I wasn't alone, but I don't think it's some unbelievable thing.

Especially when it's an area you've grown up your whole life in, this isn't like random ass nowhere, James Jordan was country as ****, he knew all the back roads and all those areas.

Again though this point isn't a debate, it's verified by his own family and friends that he James Jordan had done this many times before, so like I'm not really sure what the point of banging that drum even is.

Lol. “His own family wants to cover up that there’s weird shot going on”. Lol.

Stfu dude.

Nothing makes sense when it comes to MJS dads death and MJS retirement.

Soundwave

03-17-2023, 08:50 PM

People wanna act like cheapness is what kill MJ’s father. Big LOL.

Y’all are ****ing stupid.

Crime kills people all the time, not sure why it's so unbelievable. There are people today who got killed in carjackings in 2023, someone who got killed today probably in such an event sadly, it happens. There's nothing that magically stops rich people from having tragic things not touch their lives, real life doesn't give a **** that you can put a ball in a hoop or dance well or make believe in front of a camera. And even if there was, it certainly doesn't apply to family members. Random, tragic events can happen to anyone.

But when it happens to famous people it's always 100% a conspiracy, lol. Every time.

James Jordan wasn't even really famous ... his son was famous sure, but he's just a family member of someone famous. I mean would you know if you were sitting next to Tom Cruise's sister on a plane? No and who even gives a shit.

Especially in the early 90s, the US crime rate was a waaaaaaaaay worse than it is today:

https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990.jpg

When Trump tries to play up crime being out of control today, he's full of shit too and using recycled talking points from the early 90s.

SATAN

03-17-2023, 09:05 PM

James Jordan wasn't even really famous ...

Define famous. Many people knew who he was.

TheMan

03-17-2023, 10:07 PM

Perhap's it's a conspiracy or you can look at the history of FBI investigations and what they prosecute and what they don't. The Fed's are only going to tell you the public about cases that are open and shut. They do this because it compromises other investigations and they don't owe you a damn thing.
So it's all speculation on your part, right?

If it were the mob, MJ's killers would never been caught and his dad's body would've never been found...sometimes the easiest answer is the real answer, not everything is a conspiracy, bro

Soundwave

03-17-2023, 10:16 PM

So it's all speculation on your part, right?

If it were the mob, MJ's killers would never been caught and his dad's body would've never been found...sometimes the easiest answer is the real answer, not everything is a conspiracy, bro

The mob would've gotten someone who could do it with a bare minimum amount of professionalism. These kids were using the phone in the car to call a 1-800 phone sex line (yes, this was the early 90s when kids didn't have access to internet porn) and things like that.

There's no way the mob would chose these two to kill a person that linked to someone that high profile and more important bet the entire farm on two kids (not just one ... two) staying quiet about being told by some higher up what to do and all that. Even if it was a lackey, they would've gotten someone semi-serious, and it would only be one person to prevent one of the two from ratting, and on top of that the cops never would've found a body.

Beyond that I don't even buy the dumb conspiracy theory that Jordan was forced to retire. The NBA fresh off just losing Bird and then Magic (unexpectedly in Magic's case as he clearly was still the NBA's no.2 biggest star circa 1991) would also force the biggest star on the planet (forget just sports), the envy of every pro sports league into retirement too by 1993? Might as well just cut your own marketing balls off, the NBA would never willingly lose Bird + Magic + Jordan in a span of 2 years.

And for what? Killing a white woman? Abusing kids? Something crazy like that? No ... just ... uh ... gambling ... his own money which he plenty of ... uh OK. Like no one in America cared, the TV ratings for the 1993 NBA Finals was a record high even after the gambling story came out.

And Nike, McDonalds, Pepsi-Gatorade, NBC (which saw their NBA TV ratings plummet) who had hundreds of millions riding on Jordan is just going to sit there. If I was the president of NBC I'd phone David Stern and rip him a new asshole if there was any truth to that. If I was Nike I'd say Jordan plays on opening night 1993 or we're going to pull all our sponsorship from all the other teams Mr. Stern and you and then see what every owner is going to say about that.

NBA tolerates things like the Kobe Bryant rape allegations, and plenty of other players who had gambling problems too .... Charles Barkley has admitted he lost something like $30 million dollars in gambling (lol). When was he ever suspended for that? Do people even know this? No, because no one cares. No one cares if mega-millionaires spend some of the money when they have so much they'll never be able to spend it in one life time.

Like in the grand scheme of celebrities behaving badly, gambling when they have an obscene amount of money and are still incredibly rich is barely like a 4/10 scandal. It's definitely not anywhere close to an OJ sized problem, no where near Tiger Woods level, shit it wasn't even really Kobe level or Magic having sex with half of Los Angeles and contracting HIV due to his lifestyle.

This stuff doesn't really hold up if you use any common sense.

John8204

03-18-2023, 03:48 AM

So it's all speculation on your part, right?

If it were the mob, MJ's killers would never been caught and his dad's body would've never been found...sometimes the easiest answer is the real answer, not everything is a conspiracy, bro

The car, body, and crime all happened in three different counties and two states. Jordan wasn't reported missing for 3 weeks. Jordan used his personal security to investigate rather than trust local police...local police who had gang ties.

The mob would've gotten someone who could do it with a bare minimum amount of professionalism. These kids were using the phone in the car to call a 1-800 phone sex line (yes, this was the early 90s when kids didn't have access to internet porn) and things like that.

There's no way the mob would chose these two to kill a person that linked to someone that high profile and more important bet the entire farm on two kids (not just one ... two) staying quiet about being told by some higher up what to do and all that. Even if it was a lackey, they would've gotten someone semi-serious, and it would only be one person to prevent one of the two from ratting, and on top of that the cops never would've found a body.

You're operating under the assumption that they did the murder and they weren't just responsible for getting rid of the car.

Soundwave

03-18-2023, 12:08 PM

The car, body, and crime all happened in three different counties and two states. Jordan wasn't reported missing for 3 weeks. Jordan used his personal security to investigate rather than trust local police...local police who had gang ties.

You're operating under the assumption that they did the murder and they weren't just responsible for getting rid of the car.

Again you add in speculative things like this, and actually it makes the story less believable not moreso.

So now we're at the point where maybe these two kids didn't even kill the guy, yet they willingly went along with throwing their lives away in prison to take the fall for it.

Not even remotely believable, especially given their actions where both of these guys have already tried multiple times to appeal their convictions. If they had any kind of hope of getting out of jail, they'd have played that card by now.

16/17 year olds would be the worst people to involve in this kind of a scheme, as soon as they get bumped to being tried as adults (which was always likely) and facing life in prison they're going to whine/cry/throw a fit like all people their age would and do whatever they can to get out of it.

When I was 16 I had to get braces for 18 months and I remember thinking 18 months was like an eternity in time and my life was over, lol. You're not going to trust a person that age to do all this in a cover up, these two were idiots and doing all kinds of dumb things after the murder (one of the two guys literally video taped himself wearing Jordan's watch and a ring in a rap video in the days afterwards lol).

WhiteKyrie

03-19-2023, 04:45 AM

Ridiculously far fetched

BarberSchool

03-19-2023, 03:11 PM

Pretty much, yeah. You would never use a 16 year old and a 17 year old to do this either ... like lol, think about it for even 30 seconds.

A police officer grilling them hard for 30 minutes and threatening them with life in prison and they'd be crying and at least screwing up their story.

Most 16/17 year olds can't even work at a Burger King without ****ing up, you're going to entrust the killing of the most famous man in the world's father to two kids and then assume they will hold up under intense scrutiny from police and in court, keep their story straight and consistent, and then never say anything in jail, during parole hearings, etc. etc. even though they their entire life is being flushed down the toilet?

At 16/17 even like hearing 10 years in prison would make just about any 16/17 year old break down and weep, 10 years for a 16/17 year old sounds like an eternity.

Also how many mob hits have you ever heard of where the police find the body like a week later, lol. It's pretty ****ing stupid if you really use any critical thinking.
You’re heavily discounting the number of insulary conduits with identities unknown to each other, and the final conduit whose true identity is unknown to the teenagers he’s paying to serve multiple purposes:

1. Be dumb useful idiots who never even had a single chance to hear of, much less meet the individuals you assume they would be able to snitch on

2. Make it appear to any regular person, to be merely another example of black on black crime

3. To have ignorant, low class, low IQ personalities, and no extensive criminal experience able to be tied to anything remotely close to certain operations or groups, which would make it easy for the media to paint the entire ordeal as #2

The less the lackey/fall-guy knows about anything, the better. These two kids were literally the perfect example of ignorant know nothings being used as tools.

John8204

03-20-2023, 03:56 AM

Again you add in speculative things like this, and actually it makes the story less believable not moreso.

So now we're at the point where maybe these two kids didn't even kill the guy, yet they willingly went along with throwing their lives away in prison to take the fall for it.

Just to be clear about what actually happened...the police four four guys that had the car and told them it was these two teenagers. The police then said the teenagers said another guy was involved and hired them to dispose of the car. The police didn't believe them and the native american kid put the blame on the black kid and is now free. The police had no physical evidence tying the murder to the boys because of the disposal of the body. Which if you are engaging in a car jacking...murder and disposal of the body is the sort of thing that doesn't happen in I suppose 99.99% of the time.

To further the suspicion of this being a frame job of the five different departments investigating this crime...the home jurisdiction had a police force that had heavy corruption that we found out later in time.

Not even remotely believable, especially given their actions where both of these guys have already tried multiple times to appeal their convictions. If they had any kind of hope of getting out of jail, they'd have played that card by now.

16/17 year olds would be the worst people to involve in this kind of a scheme, as soon as they get bumped to being tried as adults (which was always likely) and facing life in prison they're going to whine/cry/throw a fit like all people their age would and do whatever they can to get out of it.

You keep saying this...but young people are also stupid and you can manipulate them. Only one of them is doing life because the other flipped on him. "Innocent" people go to jail all the time especially petty criminals.

When I was 16 I had to get braces for 18 months and I remember thinking 18 months was like an eternity in time and my life was over, lol. You're not going to trust a person that age to do all this in a cover up, these two were idiots and doing all kinds of dumb things after the murder (one of the two guys literally video taped himself wearing Jordan's watch and a ring in a rap video in the days afterwards lol).

You can tell kids to put tide pods in their mouth for TikTok and they'll do it. You seem hell bent on them getting information and having the police department actually investigate and complicate the prosecution.

Soundwave

03-20-2023, 06:46 AM

Just to be clear about what actually happened...the police four four guys that had the car and told them it was these two teenagers. The police then said the teenagers said another guy was involved and hired them to dispose of the car. The police didn't believe them and the native american kid put the blame on the black kid and is now free. The police had no physical evidence tying the murder to the boys because of the disposal of the body. Which if you are engaging in a car jacking...murder and disposal of the body is the sort of thing that doesn't happen in I suppose 99.99% of the time.

To further the suspicion of this being a frame job of the five different departments investigating this crime...the home jurisdiction had a police force that had heavy corruption that we found out later in time.

Not even remotely believable, especially given their actions where both of these guys have already tried multiple times to appeal their convictions. If they had any kind of hope of getting out of jail, they'd have played that card by now.

You keep saying this...but young people are also stupid and you can manipulate them. Only one of them is doing life because the other flipped on him. "Innocent" people go to jail all the time especially petty criminals.

You can tell kids to put tide pods in their mouth for TikTok and they'll do it. You seem hell bent on them getting information and having the police department actually investigate and complicate the prosecution.

The problem with the theory is not "kids do stupid things" the problem with the theory is that two kids (not just one), would both throw their lives away.

They're not kids anymore. They haven't been kids for like 3 decades now. They effectively threw their lives away, their freedom away, to be part of a conspiracy (lol) that benefitted them to no degree and just both with no planning sat on their hands for 30 years locked up having their life taken away.

It's not believable, sorry, there's nothing you've said that makes it believable and the mob betting the entire farm on 2 children staying quiet into adult hood and even into advanced age without saying even once "wait a minute ... we were setup here clear as day, someone else was telling us to do this through phone calls" or whatever isn't believable.

And it doesn't even match up with their behavior ... they've both been trying multiple times to appeal this case, they've been aggressive in trying to get out of jail, that doesn't line up at all with two people who also are content with just sitting in jail for the rest of their lives and going along with said conspiracy (or at the very least the rest of their useful lives).

You would never bet on two kids as a mob on a job this big, you would never bank on them staying in jail for 40 ... 50 years and never saying anything even though they have every reason to squeal. Even if you're a dumb person, being put in jail for 2-3 years, let alone 30 years sobers one up real fast. It's just a profoundly stupid theory.

The police busted these kids on a bunch overwhelming evidence, they had them on phone calls made from the car, they even have the kid in a music video (lol) recording himself wearing items that belonged to James Jordan/Michael Jordan.

If the mob did this, they wouldn't have used two kids to begin with, but even if we entertain that stupid idea, they'd have these two killed before the police ever even got within sneezing distance because you'd never take the risk of having two kids who could live for another 40, 50, 60, 70 years (lol) sitting there just waiting to say "you know what? We were set up". That body is never found because that is basic shit 101 for the mob too.

John8204

03-20-2023, 08:28 AM

The problem with the theory is not "kids do stupid things" the problem with the theory is that two kids (not just one), would both throw their lives away.

They're not kids anymore. They haven't been kids for like 3 decades now. They effectively threw their lives away, their freedom away, to be part of a conspiracy (lol) that benefitted them to no degree and just both with no planning sat on their hands for 30 years locked up having their life taken away.

It's not believable, sorry, there's nothing you've said that makes it believable and the mob betting the entire farm on 2 children staying quiet into adult hood and even into advanced age without saying even once "wait a minute ... we were setup here clear as day, someone else was telling us to do this through phone calls" or whatever isn't believable.

You keep talking about the crime like these kids had control over knowledge. Like they could just say hey officer it was Mr Big who ordered the hit. The Mafia or Mob doesn't work that way they spend the money on middle men so they aren't tied to street level crime. Both boys gave a name to the cops...they decided not to followup on that. We found out later that the police were taking bribes is it so crazy to think this corrupt police force weren't paid to have these two boys take the fall. No motive, no murder weapon, the body and car were both disposed of yet the boys were also sloppy using a car phone and running around with evidence.

In most cases when innocent people are absolved of crimes when you talk to the arresting officers 9 out 10 will say...well the DNA only proves only someone else was there not that they were innocent. We have a guy right now in Donald Trump who broke the law on tape and Congress is investigating the investigation. The criminal justice system in this country is dirty and easy to buy.

In my experience police aren't interested in the guilty only who they can convict and many of them are criminals themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK_JaDxIzfg&t=18s

This case reminds me of this OKC criminal case...in which one cop ended up getting life in prison for dozens of rapes. While he was likely a rapist he just ended up taking the fall for all the other cops who were doing the same thing.

The police busted these kids on a bunch overwhelming evidence, they had them on phone calls made from the car, they even have the kid in a music video (lol) recording himself wearing items that belonged to James Jordan/Michael Jordan.

Doesn't tie them to the murder only theft which is what I assume they thought they were involved in. Look at these idiot car jackers who also are experts of disposing of bodies.

Soundwave

03-20-2023, 01:05 PM

You keep talking about the crime like these kids had control over knowledge. Like they could just say hey officer it was Mr Big who ordered the hit. The Mafia or Mob doesn't work that way they spend the money on middle men so they aren't tied to street level crime. Both boys gave a name to the cops...they decided not to followup on that. We found out later that the police were taking bribes is it so crazy to think this corrupt police force weren't paid to have these two boys take the fall. No motive, no murder weapon, the body and car were both disposed of yet the boys were also sloppy using a car phone and running around with evidence.

In most cases when innocent people are absolved of crimes when you talk to the arresting officers 9 out 10 will say...well the DNA only proves only someone else was there not that they were innocent. We have a guy right now in Donald Trump who broke the law on tape and Congress is investigating the investigation. The criminal justice system in this country is dirty and easy to buy.

In my experience police aren't interested in the guilty only who they can convict and many of them are criminals themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK_JaDxIzfg&t=18s

This case reminds me of this OKC criminal case...in which one cop ended up getting life in prison for dozens of rapes. While he was likely a rapist he just ended up taking the fall for all the other cops who were doing the same thing.

Doesn't tie them to the murder only theft which is what I assume they thought they were involved in. Look at these idiot car jackers who also are experts of disposing of bodies.

I just don't buy your first premise at all. These guys have been fighting tooth and nail to get their cases re-opened and appealed.

You really think they would just not mention that they were being guided through the whole process and set up? That's not a SMALL detail, jesus christ, you keep hand waving this part of it away like it's some small thing that just mixed up, lol.

Like they just think "well y'know it's not really worth mentioning now I guess".

That is their golden ticket, the whole play of "we were kids and used by adults in a conspiracy that was way over our head" is something a lawyer can work with for sure.

Citing other cases and like your experiences is just dumb too. No one gives a shit maybe about random crimes, but the MOST FAMOUS PERSON ON THE PLANET'S DAD? A bit different of a story.

If these guys even today started to sing, it would become a media sensation story right now, right here, TODAY, man. Don't kid yourself. Even if the original PD would not hear them out, there's nothing stopping them from getting interviews now from jail (or any time in the last THIRTY YEARS).

The other problem with this is the assumption that *both* of them separately would be able to keep their mouths shut for decade after decade. Like come the **** on, lol. It's so stupid if it was a movie, again, this is the point where I'm laughing out loud in the theater.

JBSptfn

03-26-2023, 02:45 PM

Beyond that I don't even buy the dumb conspiracy theory that Jordan was forced to retire. The NBA fresh off just losing Bird and then Magic (unexpectedly in Magic's case as he clearly was still the NBA's no.2 biggest star circa 1991) would also force the biggest star on the planet (forget just sports), the envy of every pro sports league into retirement too by 1993? Might as well just cut your own marketing balls off, the NBA would never willingly lose Bird + Magic + Jordan in a span of 2 years.

And for what? Killing a white woman? Abusing kids? Something crazy like that? No ... just ... uh ... gambling ... his own money which he plenty of ... uh OK. Like no one in America cared, the TV ratings for the 1993 NBA Finals was a record high even after the gambling story came out.

He wasn't forced to retire. He was suspended for a year and a half (in secret):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpNhCLWz0nc

The reason is simple: After he "retired" to play baseball, there were no more investigations into his gambling, and it died down.

They couldn't afford to have him go down the road that Pete Rose went. So, Jerry Reinsdorf (according to Brian. This is what he heard from a co-worker whose mom was Reinsdorf's secretary in 1993) basically told Michael to go away for a while, and he played baseball for the minor league affiliate of the team that Reinsdorf owned (White Sox).

WhiteKyrie

03-26-2023, 06:31 PM

The mob would've gotten someone who could do it with a bare minimum amount of professionalism. These kids were using the phone in the car to call a 1-800 phone sex line (yes, this was the early 90s when kids didn't have access to internet porn) and things like that.

There's no way the mob would chose these two to kill a person that linked to someone that high profile and more important bet the entire farm on two kids (not just one ... two) staying quiet about being told by some higher up what to do and all that. Even if it was a lackey, they would've gotten someone semi-serious, and it would only be one person to prevent one of the two from ratting, and on top of that the cops never would've found a body.

Beyond that I don't even buy the dumb conspiracy theory that Jordan was forced to retire. The NBA fresh off just losing Bird and then Magic (unexpectedly in Magic's case as he clearly was still the NBA's no.2 biggest star circa 1991) would also force the biggest star on the planet (forget just sports), the envy of every pro sports league into retirement too by 1993? Might as well just cut your own marketing balls off, the NBA would never willingly lose Bird + Magic + Jordan in a span of 2 years.

And for what? Killing a white woman? Abusing kids? Something crazy like that? No ... just ... uh ... gambling ... his own money which he plenty of ... uh OK. Like no one in America cared, the TV ratings for the 1993 NBA Finals was a record high even after the gambling story came out.

And Nike, McDonalds, Pepsi-Gatorade, NBC (which saw their NBA TV ratings plummet) who had hundreds of millions riding on Jordan is just going to sit there. If I was the president of NBC I'd phone David Stern and rip him a new asshole if there was any truth to that. If I was Nike I'd say Jordan plays on opening night 1993 or we're going to pull all our sponsorship from all the other teams Mr. Stern and you and then see what every owner is going to say about that.

NBA tolerates things like the Kobe Bryant rape allegations, and plenty of other players who had gambling problems too .... Charles Barkley has admitted he lost something like $30 million dollars in gambling (lol). When was he ever suspended for that? Do people even know this? No, because no one cares. No one cares if mega-millionaires spend some of the money when they have so much they'll never be able to spend it in one life time.

Like in the grand scheme of celebrities behaving badly, gambling when they have an obscene amount of money and are still incredibly rich is barely like a 4/10 scandal. It's definitely not anywhere close to an OJ sized problem, no where near Tiger Woods level, shit it wasn't even really Kobe level or Magic having sex with half of Los Angeles and contracting HIV due to his lifestyle.

This stuff doesn't really hold up if you use any common sense.

More IQ dropping knowledge

DevBooker'sMask

03-26-2023, 10:20 PM

jordone is a bonafide dad killer point blank period

Axe

03-26-2023, 10:24 PM

jordone is a bonafide dad killer point blank period
:milton

Soundwave

03-31-2023, 03:01 PM

This is the first time I've seen this forum, but but I couldn't help but read your post about Michael Jordan's father being killed over his gambling. I definitely agree with your points about the conspiracy theories and how it just doesn't add up. It's hard to imagine the NBA willingly losing one of their biggest stars over something as common as gambling. It is for this reason for such serious games need to choose reputable organizations, rather than small offices. I heard that there are some really besten Online-Casinos für Glücksspiele in Österreich (https://online-casino-austria.com/). But like you said, in the grand scheme of things, gambling with an obscene amount of money is not really a huge scandal.

The NBA would never ever willingly let go of Jordan ... 20+ years after his Bulls retirement, they're still trying to replicate what Jordan brought to the NBA.

He'd have to be on tape killing a some one and even then they'd try to get past it, lol. Gambling doesn't even rank in the top 20 bad things Jordan could do. This is a league where Barkley also gambled away millions and no one cares, Kobe Bryant was in a court case for raping a young woman, Magic Johnson slept with half of LA, etc. etc.

But especially they would never, ever do this after losing Bird and Magic by total surprise in 1991. Lose Magic in 1991, Bird in 1992, and Jordan in 1993 was a disaster scenario for the NBA.