View Full Version : Would you pick any of Luka's teammates over Curry, Klay, Dray, Poole or Wiggins?
I think anyone who's not mentally disabled wouldn't pick any of Luka's teammates over any of those 5 guys on the Warriors. And we're not even talking about the bench of both teams where the Warriors one blew the Dallas G-leaguers out of the water.
So, how can anyone blame Luka for losing? If anything he's being amazing, any of the Warriors players in his position would get blown out of the water.
This is basically having Hamilton on his F1 and Vettel on a plastic tricycle and bashing Vettel for losing the race lol.
So, how the hell can anyone blame Luka with this kind of mismatch? Put anyone in Luka's position and anyone else on the Warriors and the result would be the same. It's a bunch of better players with championship experience vs a 23 old guy with a bunch of losers who have never even seen a second round before...
Phoenix
05-23-2022, 06:17 PM
Nope. You can make the argument that once you remove Luka and Steph( let's just call them a wash), the next 4 best players are on the Warriors.
SouBeachTalents
05-23-2022, 06:18 PM
I would pick all of Luka's teammates over Pippen.
3ba11
05-23-2022, 06:21 PM
The whole point is that Poole and Wiggins wouldn't be shit next to Luka because Luka's game destroys guys
Kudos to Luka for carrying a team but his teammate destruction will stop him from ever developing a Poole or Wiggins - he needs READY-MADE STARS (talent-based winning) because his brand of ball can't develop teammates or system
Phoenix
05-23-2022, 06:28 PM
The whole point is that Poole and Wiggins wouldn't be shit next to Luka because Luka's game destroys guys
Kudos to Luka for carrying a team but his teammate destruction will stop him from ever developing a Poole or Wiggins - he needs READY-MADE STARS (talent-based winning) because his brand of ball can't develop teammates or system
Brunson was an 8ppg rookie and is now a 16ppg player 4 seasons, and doing 23ppg this playoff run. Are you saying he hasn't developed? Are you trying to spread your Ls over a number of threads today?
insight
05-23-2022, 06:34 PM
The real question is how effective would Klay, Poole or Wiggins be if Curry stood at the top of the keep dribbling until there is 5 seconds left of the shot clock and either drove or shot a step back 3. Standing in one place waiting for someone to pass you the ball kills offensive flow. Then they have to run back on defense and cover up for someone who doesn't take defense seriously.
NBAGOAT
05-23-2022, 06:36 PM
i would consider brunson but that's it
The whole point is that Poole and Wiggins wouldn't be shit next to Luka because Luka's game destroys guys
Kudos to Luka for carrying a team but his teammate destruction will stop him from ever developing a Poole or Wiggins - he needs READY-MADE STARS (talent-based winning) because his brand of ball can't develop teammates or system
It’s difficult to look at developpment like that, because f.ex. Wiggins had a season with more points, rebounds and assists than now a few years ago. So, would you say the Warriors have made him worse? But of course, when the opponent team has to worry about 4 other guys than you it makes things easier. His stats drop is just because he now has to play a third role and share the stats.
But i think anyone would agree he became a great fit for the Warriors in that role. Don’t know about the developpment part though. He was a really good player before that needed some maturity which may have come with playing time through the years alone and not because he developped all of a sudden.
Phoenix
05-23-2022, 06:46 PM
It’s difficult to look at developpment like that, because f.ex. Wiggins had a season with more points, rebounds and assists than now a few years ago. So, would you say the Warriors have made him worse? But of course, when the opponent team has to worry about 4 other guys than you it makes things easier. His stats drop is just because he now has to play a third role and share the stats.
But i think anyone would agree he became a great fit for the Warriors in that role. Don’t know about the developpment part though. He was a really good player before that needed some maturity which may have come with playing time through the years alone and not because he developped all of a sudden.
Yeah, throwing Wiggins in there as being 'developed' under the Warriors is stretching it. He's played 9 seasons and was an above average player for the Twolves. His ceiling though is right where you see it now, a key piece on a great team but not a franchise level talent or anything.
DMAVS41
05-23-2022, 07:26 PM
Yeah, throwing Wiggins in there as being 'developed' under the Warriors is stretching it. He's played 9 seasons and was an above average player for the Twolves. His ceiling though is right where you see it now, a key piece on a great team but not a franchise level talent or anything.
I disagree a little. Wiggins did start to change his game the year he was traded, but the previous two seasons....18 and 19...he really did not have anything you'd want on your team other than "talent' or "potential"...he took a ton of long 2's at poor efficiency, didn't attack, didn't shoot free throws well, didn't try hard, and didn't defend worth shit.
It is why Stan Van Gundy has been in shock watching this series....
Now, Wiggins deserves most of the credit for this as he started to transform his game offensively before he was traded, but the attacking / defense / confidence....Warriors definitely deserve credit for part of that as well.
We've had these debates before and don't need to rehash them, but Wiggins playing very well right now doesn't somehow change his level on the Wolves those two years...it was really bad. It is why the Warriors got him and a top 7 pick (iirc) for Russell...
DMAVS41
05-23-2022, 07:29 PM
The whole point is that Poole and Wiggins wouldn't be shit next to Luka because Luka's game destroys guys
Kudos to Luka for carrying a team but his teammate destruction will stop him from ever developing a Poole or Wiggins - he needs READY-MADE STARS (talent-based winning) because his brand of ball can't develop teammates or system
Why is Brunson, as you say..."literally dominant" next to Luka if guys can't play with him?
Not only has he developed next to Luka, but he's literally playing very well right before our eyes while competing in the WCF...next to Luka...this is not talent-based winning at all...it's the exact opposite.
You are accusing a player and team of something they can't even do...win based on talent...they've won without the same talent the other teams have this deep in the playoffs.
Phoenix
05-23-2022, 07:36 PM
I disagree a little. Wiggins did start to change his game the year he was traded, but the previous two seasons....18 and 19...he really did not have anything you'd want on your team other than "talent' or "potential"...he took a ton of long 2's at poor efficiency, didn't attack, didn't shoot free throws well, didn't try hard, and didn't defend worth shit.
It is why Stan Van Gundy has been in shock watching this series....
Now, Wiggins deserves most of the credit for this as he started to transform his game offensively before he was traded, but the attacking / defense / confidence....Warriors definitely deserve credit for part of that as well.
We've had these debates before and don't need to rehash them, but Wiggins playing very well right now doesn't somehow change his level on the Wolves those two years...it was really bad. It is why the Warriors got him and a top 7 pick (iirc) for Russell...
I mean mostly, he was an established player. Yes playing in the Warriors system certainly weeds out alot of the bad habits but when I think of the term 'develop', I'm thinking more along the lines of Klay, Dray or Poole. Literally drafted and cultivated from day one. I take your point, though.
AlternativeAcc.
05-23-2022, 07:36 PM
Hell fukking no.
It's the most lopsided WCF in NBA history and Warriors should get zero props for making the finals. They've even struggled with the Grizzlies and should've lost game 2 to the Mave which is embarrassing
DMAVS41
05-23-2022, 07:41 PM
I mean mostly, he was an established player. Yes playing in the Warriors system certainly weeds out alot of the bad habits but when I think of the term 'develop', I'm thinking more along the lines of Klay, Dray or Poole. Literally drafted and cultivated from day one. I take your point, though.
Yea...they didn't develop him in that sense...but he was established as a guy that you'd need to include a first round pick for another team to take on. Which is saying a lot because everyone saw the talent and potential...but his play in 18 and 19...man, it was really bad.
I can't remember the stat, but he's like one of a couple players in history to average over 17 ppg and have a PER 13 or under...and he's on the list twice.
DMAVS41
05-23-2022, 07:41 PM
Hell fukking no.
It's the most lopsided WCF in NBA history and Warriors should get zero props for making the finals. They've even struggled with the Grizzlies and should've lost game 2 to the Mave which is embarrassing
Brunson is currently better than Klay.
No way dallas beats a gs team with andre iguodala in the playoffs.
AlternativeAcc.
05-23-2022, 07:54 PM
Brunson is currently better than Klay.
Nope
They have nearly even numbers despite Klay sharing the load with 4 other all stars
He'd be averaging 25 next to Luka and Mavs would be much better
DMAVS41
05-23-2022, 07:58 PM
Nope
They have nearly even numbers despite Klay sharing the load with 4 other all stars
He'd be averaging 25 next to Luka and Mavs would be much better
He's still very good, but have you actually watched him move out there? He's not the same player....he can't defend even close to as well as he used to be able to.
Now, would Klay next to Luka be a better fit on this team....maybe...but Brunson does a lot to make things work without Luka out there.
fsvr54
05-23-2022, 08:00 PM
Brunson is currently better than Klay.
Brunson is a better offensive player than Wiggins.
Make no mistake. Jalen Brunson is a VERY good player.
3ba11
05-23-2022, 08:00 PM
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Thread Cliffs
It's impossible to compare a cast that plays in the worst brand ever to a cast that plays in the best.
Teammates play better with better chemistry and brand of ball, so that's why Curry's teammates always look like all-timers alongside him
Btw, it's pretty rich of former Wiggins bashers to now rave how good he is - again, guys look better in a good brand of ball
DMAVS41
05-23-2022, 08:02 PM
Brunson is a better offensive player than Wiggins.
Make no mistake. Jalen Brunson is a VERY good player.
I don't think anyone is making that mistake. The Mavs need to sign him...he's an asset. Whether we need to keep him or trade him in the future is another story.
ShawkFactory
05-23-2022, 08:43 PM
Outside of Luka, Brunson, and Dinwiddie I'm not sure that anyone else on the Mavs is getting minutes on the Warriors at all. Their depth is non-existent.
3ba11
05-23-2022, 08:53 PM
Luka getting swept is a big underachevement with a high seed and 22 ppg sidekick (15 ppg third option)
Yeah he beat the Suns but now his zero assisted rate and big man ball-dominance is getting ragdolled by a superior brand of ball - he went from overachieving to underachieving.. :oldlol:
Outside of Luka, Brunson, and Dinwiddie I'm not sure that anyone else on the Mavs is getting minutes on the Warriors at all. Their depth is non-existent.
Luka should get a medal for even making it there and making it competitive at times with that cast.
Baller789
05-24-2022, 02:29 AM
No way dallas beats a gs team with andre iguodala in the playoffs.
So you are saying the Dubs are invincible as long as Iggy is on the team?
warriorfan
05-24-2022, 02:53 AM
Stats for the Western Conference Finals
Andrew Wiggins 21/7/4/55TS%
Klay Thompson 16/5/4/56TS%
Jordan Poole 17/3/3/82TS%
Jalen Brunson 22/5/4/61%
LeCola
05-24-2022, 02:57 AM
Curry - Drafted by GSW
Klay - Drafted by GSW
Draymond - Drafted by GSW
Poole - Drafted by GSW
This team is fully organic.
They dont switch teams for chasing rings.
warriorfan
05-24-2022, 03:00 AM
Curry - Drafted by GSW
Klay - Drafted by GSW
Draymond - Drafted by GSW
Poole - Drafted by GSW
This team is fully organic.
They dont switch teams for chasing rings.
Bron should have given it a shot.
Instead he colluded with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league in his prime only to lose in the Finals while being outscored by Jason Terry even while logging in 67 more minutes in the series. A way larger failure than Steph Curry’s worst Finals where he was coming back from an MCL injury.
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
:cheers:
Baller789
05-24-2022, 03:25 AM
No way dallas beats a gs team with andre iguodala in the playoffs.
So you are saying the Dubs are invincible as long as Iggy is on the team?
Guess your argument got destroyed again :lol
I am a casual i don't get it
:facepalm
Baller789
05-24-2022, 03:39 AM
:facepalm
I did that to you right?
Axe with absolutely zero creativity.:lol
I could already tell you were one of those slow ones in class.
warriorfan
05-24-2022, 03:44 AM
I did that to you right?
Axe with absolutely zero creativity.:lol
I could already tell you were one of those slow ones in class.
:roll: and he’s still the same obese shut in
https://i.ibb.co/mFmg2vP/IMG-20220524-154528.jpg
:oldlol:
Baller789
05-24-2022, 03:48 AM
:oldlol:
Are you 12? :roll:
Weak AF!
It's like what, almost 1 in the morning? Go to bed and sleep already, you absolute buffoon.
Baller789
05-24-2022, 03:49 AM
It's like what, almost 1 in the morning? Go to bed and sleep already, you absolute buffoon.
Triggered :oldlol:
Baller789
05-24-2022, 03:51 AM
Attention.
Attention I'm Axe, and I'm triggered.
Oof 1-minute differential.
Baller789
05-24-2022, 03:54 AM
Oof 1-minute differential.
Why are you so scared to reply with quotes?
Don't worry I don't bite.
:lol
Oof another 1-minute differential.
I disagree a little. Wiggins did start to change his game the year he was traded, but the previous two seasons....18 and 19...he really did not have anything you'd want on your team other than "talent' or "potential"...he took a ton of long 2's at poor efficiency, didn't attack, didn't shoot free throws well, didn't try hard, and didn't defend worth shit.
It is why Stan Van Gundy has been in shock watching this series....
Now, Wiggins deserves most of the credit for this as he started to transform his game offensively before he was traded, but the attacking / defense / confidence....Warriors definitely deserve credit for part of that as well.
We've had these debates before and don't need to rehash them, but Wiggins playing very well right now doesn't somehow change his level on the Wolves those two years...it was really bad. It is why the Warriors got him and a top 7 pick (iirc) for Russell...
I'm sure playing in a team going for a title is also a different motivation for any player. But people acting like the Warriors took a bum and turned him into this great player is wrong. Idiots could even say his stats were better before, so the Warriors made him worse.
Lets not forget he was the number 1 draft pick over Embiid, Zach Lavine, Marcus Smart and co. He always had amazing potential. And after being a long time in the league of course he must have gotten better, he just didn't find a home before. Now, i think he fits in perfectly on this team, understands his role and is able to shine as a 3rd, 4th role. But let's not act that it's only all due to the Warriors, the guy was a number 1 draft pick and a great player before.
Baller789
05-24-2022, 05:52 AM
Oof another 1-minute differential.
I am Axe, I am a fat R O B O T.
:roll:
ImKobe
05-24-2022, 06:00 AM
Brunson is currently better than Klay.
Brunson's had better numbers/bigger load in these POs but I do think Klay would be a better fit with Luka as he has the championship experience and the IQ on both sides of the ball. Luka could use an off-ball threat like Klay that the defenses would have to respect at all times. Brunson's a decent shooter in his own right and can attack the rim but I'd switch him with a top 5 ATG shooter who's 5 inches taller and is still a better defensive player, it's just a better fit Luka dominating the ball.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Go2_VXy1Tg
Baller789
05-24-2022, 09:51 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Go2_VXy1Tg
I am Axe. I fear baller789.
:oldlol:
The poster above me is a big, retarded bozo.
Baller789
05-24-2022, 08:17 PM
The poster above me is a big, retarded bozo.
The poster above me is a retarded bozo.
I am indeed a retarded bozo.
:cheers:
Baller789
05-24-2022, 08:46 PM
:cheers:
Your fear whenever you open one of my replies is delicious. :cheers:
Baller789
05-24-2022, 09:54 PM
Meltdown.
Yes. Thank you for admitting your meltdown. :applause:
Still can't quit following me. ;D
Baller789
05-25-2022, 12:53 AM
Still can't quit following me. ;D
You sound like a scared girl saying that :roll:
Baller789
05-25-2022, 03:35 AM
Oof triggered. ;)
So when will you come out of the closet and admit youre a lebron fanboy?
Once kong finally penetrates your filthy clit. Something you've been asking for your entire life. ;)
Baller789
05-25-2022, 05:10 AM
Once kong finally penetrates your filthy clit. Something you've been asking for your entire life. ;)
So when will you grow some ballz and admit your love for King Kong?
Seriously i think you should ask that question yourself. :rolleyes:
Baller789
05-25-2022, 05:17 AM
Seriously i think you should ask that question yourself. :rolleyes:
No fatboy, you should be honest with yourself.
:oldlol:
Unfortunately i'm not the one who has him living rent free inside my head. So stop deflecting, you buffoon. :confusedshrug:
Baller789
05-25-2022, 05:20 AM
Unfortunately i'm not the one who has him living rent free inside my head. So stop deflecting, you buffoon. :confusedshrug:
Unfortunately, I'm not the one pretending not to be a Bontard. :oldlol:
Says the lunatic who just made a thread about him recently because he's so insecure with his many other fans itb. :yaohappy:
Baller789
05-25-2022, 05:25 AM
Says the lunatic who just made a thread about him recently because he's so insecure with his many other fans itb. :yaohappy:
Says the fat guy whos afraid to reply to me with quotes.
How beta is that. :lol
:oldlol:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTp2PGytTyruedUlz0EgTVJb2SQYIixO cY6Og&usqp=CAU
Baller789
05-25-2022, 05:28 AM
:oldlol:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTp2PGytTyruedUlz0EgTVJb2SQYIixO cY6Og&usqp=CAU
Triggered as per usual
:oldlol:
Btw I don't even need to post images to embarass you. :oldlol:
One-minute differential ;)
Baller789
05-25-2022, 05:30 AM
One-minute differential ;)
Yep. Thats what you just did you slow one. :oldlol:
Baller789
05-25-2022, 05:32 AM
:sleeping
Running out of smart one liners Axey?
Youre a dork, but a dumb dork at that :roll:
Not even one of the smarter ones.
Oof still can't ignore me!
Baller789
05-25-2022, 10:10 AM
Oof still can't ignore me!
You sound like a lil b!tch begging for mercy.
Guess you were never aware of that since youre socially akward. :confusedshrug:
Oof 4.5 hours differential and she's still melting down. :yaohappy:
GimmeThat
05-25-2022, 02:09 PM
Dinwiddie is doing the same thing Tatum did against the Bucks, he's keeping the ball too high. If he brings the ball down, I see him being a better finisher than Poole after contact.
8Ball
05-25-2022, 07:34 PM
Oof 4.5 hours differential and she's still melting down. :yaohappy:
Jesus you got him on a leash.
He could barely sleep last night :lol
Jesus you got him on a leash.
He could barely sleep last night :lol
For sure there will be another pathetic episode of this epic madness from her later on. :roll:
dreamwarrior
05-25-2022, 11:43 PM
I disagree a little. Wiggins did start to change his game the year he was traded, but the previous two seasons....18 and 19...he really did not have anything you'd want on your team other than "talent' or "potential"...he took a ton of long 2's at poor efficiency, didn't attack, didn't shoot free throws well, didn't try hard, and didn't defend worth shit.
It is why Stan Van Gundy has been in shock watching this series....
Now, Wiggins deserves most of the credit for this as he started to transform his game offensively before he was traded, but the attacking / defense / confidence....Warriors definitely deserve credit for part of that as well.
We've had these debates before and don't need to rehash them, but Wiggins playing very well right now doesn't somehow change his level on the Wolves those two years...it was really bad. It is why the Warriors got him and a top 7 pick (iirc) for Russell...
Wiggins in GSW is the same player he was in Minn, just better scoring efficiency. He's always had a great motor so he fits in well with GSW's style of run in circles until you get open. They also play a switching defense which is better suited to Wiggin's mobile positional defensive style. At times he tried hard in Minn to be the #1 option but it wasn't meant to be. This playoff series he's become a much different player. He's very aggressive going inside, tenacious on rebounds, and puts in A+ effort (it was an A before) on every play.
Wiggins in GSW is the same player he was in Minn, just better scoring efficiency. He's always had a great motor so he fits in well with GSW's style of run in circles until you get open. They also play a switching defense which is better suited to Wiggin's mobile positional defensive style. At times he tried hard in Minn to be the #1 option but it wasn't meant to be. This playoff series he's become a much different player. He's very aggressive going inside, tenacious on rebounds, and puts in A+ effort (it was an A before) on every play.
What do you mean by 'same player'? Ever since he went to sf, he became a part-time screensetter as well.
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