Is this not the baddest SUV of all time??

[Patrick Chewing]

Most folks have never seen one of these on the road.


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[Patrick Chewing]

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[Patrick Chewing]

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[BurningHammer]

VW has acquired the Scout trademarks and may resurrect it under its own brand. Interesting.

[Patrick Chewing]

VW has acquired the Scout trademarks and may resurrect it under its own brand. Interesting.

:banana:

[warriorfan]

Looks like the old Blazers and Broncos. Those were nice.

[Axe]

They're awesome but the older land cruisers are more badasses, especially those with guns at the back.

[diamenz]

Looks like the old Blazers and Broncos. Those were nice.

:cheers:

[Axe]

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[Lakers Legend#32]

SUVS are the enemy.

[Jasper]

knew a family that had about 10 of them , Wisconsin they rust pretty easily , but their engines are not reliable.

Many guys are finding bones and rebuilding into modern day rods.
Never was fond of them.

[Axe]

knew a family that had about 10 of them , Wisconsin they rust pretty easily , but their engines are not reliable.

Many guys are finding bones and rebuilding into modern day rods.
Never was fond of them.
I'm sure their comfort levels are torture to the frames of many. They're not like the present generation suvs that actually have car-like ride nowdays.

[rawimpact]

The Bronco and Scouts of the 70s looked pretty similar.

I prefer them in that order myself though. Something about the square lights in the picture above just doesn't fit well with me. I guess it's because round lighting has always been a trait for offroad use.

[Nanners]

They're awesome but the older land cruisers are more badasses, especially those with guns at the back.

Amen

Scouts are def awesome SUVs, but the greatest SUV of all time is the Toyota Land Cruiser and nothing else is even close to competing on their level of durability and capability... and the Toyota 4runner (aka "hilux surf" in international markets) is the number 2 SUV of all time.

[Axe]

Amen

Scouts are def awesome SUVs, but the greatest SUV of all time is the Toyota Land Cruiser and nothing else is even close to competing on their level of durability and capability... and the Toyota 4runner (aka "hilux surf" in international markets) is the number 2 SUV of all time.
Land rover would have taken the cake if their suvs weren't problematic at all. Car vlogger doug demuro bought a new generation lr defender (l663) not a very long time ago and either its sunroof or driver side window weren't functioning already. He also had older land rovers as well and they too had similar problems. Even the vintage ones weren't made as indestructible as toyotas. The discovery v is a personal dream suv of mine but i wouldn't spend six digits for something new that has malfunctioning parts in the start.

[Nanners]

Land rover would have taken the cake if their suvs weren't problematic at all. Car vlogger doug demuro bought a new generation lr defender (l663) not a very long time ago and either its sunroof or driver side window weren't functioning already. He also had older land rovers as well and they too had similar problems. Even the vintage ones weren't made as indestructible as toyotas. The discovery v is a personal dream suv of mine but i wouldn't spend six digits for something new that has malfunctioning parts in the start.

Lots of manufacturers could have potentially taken the cake if their suvs werent problematic... but Toyota is the only manufacturer on the planet that has been able to build a reliable off-road product decade after decade.

Thats funny you bring up Doug Demuro... in addition to illustrating the issues with modern Land Rover products, he is also a huge advocate and recent buyer of the greatest SUV of all time - Toyota Land Cruiser.

Doug often jokes about how he ripped off carmax with his old Land Rover (a 2006ish Range Rover) - they sold him an extended warranty for like 3k or something and he ended up doing like 20k worth of repairs through that warranty. This kind of thing would never happen with a used Toyota

[Axe]

Lots of manufacturers could have potentially taken the cake if their suvs werent problematic... but Toyota is the only manufacturer on the planet that has been able to build a reliable off-road product decade after decade.

Thats funny you bring up Doug Demuro... in addition to illustrating the issues with modern Land Rover products, he is also a huge advocate and recent buyer of the greatest SUV of all time - Toyota Land Cruiser.

Doug often jokes about how he ripped off carmax with his old Land Rover (a 2006ish Range Rover) - they sold him an extended warranty for like 3k or something and he ended up doing like 20k worth of repairs through that warranty. This kind of thing would never happen with a used Toyota
Well many other brands do have their own suvs but they don't look as great as the classic blazer/bronco, rugged land cruisers or the dynamic land rovers. And yes, i did see doug's 200 series LC but boy. Poor thing cause he hit a deer out in the highway while he was driving the big suv, which wasn't even with him for a year yet. :oldlol:

And the renowned unreliability of the LR sucks. They haven't done something to rectify their issues. Some people use these suvs for hardcore off-roading and as such they have to be dependable and reliable just like workhorse pickup trucks used for hauling stuff. For that purpose alone there are 4x4 enthusiasts who still use older models because they have lesser electronics to worry about in case they break down during their usage. Some would even abuse them to their vehicles' limits and oftentimes, japanese rigs often come out on top in this one.

[Nanners]

Well many other brands do have their own suvs but they don't look as great as the classic blazer/bronco, rugged land cruisers or the dynamic land rovers. And yes, i did see doug's 200 series LC but boy. Poor thing cause he hit a deer out in the highway while he was driving the big suv, which wasn't even with him for a year yet. :oldlol:

Yeah that deer incident was unfortunate for sure, not the cars fault tho :pimp:


And the renowned unreliability of the LR sucks. They haven't done something to rectify their issues. Some people use these suvs for hardcore off-roading and as such they have to be dependable and reliable just like workhorse pickup trucks used for hauling stuff. For that purpose alone there are 4x4 enthusiasts who still use older models because they have lesser electronics to worry about in case they break down during their usage. Some would even abuse them to their vehicles' limits and oftentimes, japanese rigs often come out on top in this one.

From what I have seen, older Land Rover products are just as unreliable as the new ones... you find Toyota trucks/suvs from the 80s/90s all over the place these days, and they still sell for big money on sites like craigslist and facebook marketplace. Meanwhile, classic Range Rovers are usually only seen in scrap yards, and on the rare occasions that a functional one goes up for sale they are cheap as hell. Back in the late 90s when I was in HS one of my best friends was gifted an older Range Rover by his parents, and that thing would shit itself if he drove over a speedbump too fast... driving it "offroad" was out of the question.

[Axe]

Yeah that deer incident was unfortunate for sure, not the cars fault tho :pimp:



From what I have seen, older Land Rover products are just as unreliable as the new ones... you find Toyota trucks/suvs from the 80s/90s all over the place these days, and they still sell for big money on sites like craigslist and facebook marketplace. Meanwhile, classic Range Rovers are usually only seen in scrap yards, and on the rare occasions that a functional one goes up for sale they are cheap as hell. Back in the late 90s when I was in HS one of my best friends was gifted an older Range Rover by his parents, and that thing would shit itself if he drove over a speedbump too fast... driving it "offroad" was out of the question.
By older models i meant those from different brands too, not just lr. But that's quite funny, that some cars are fancy, only good for looks and popular amongst normies yet don't possess any substance as time goes by since they can't run fine or be problem-free even if they're still fresh and new. Then otoh, there are those who are more low-key, decent and spartan but are able to run properly for a significant amount of time even if they're heavily abused or have become old. In owning cars, looks can be enhanced but their standard reliability engineering can't. And yeah, old running japanese cars tend to be usually priced like that depending on the model being sold but some of them are exaggerated. Saw before a late 90s honda civic type-r (sir in other regions) preserved being sold for like $50 grand and i thought it was ridiculous. I would rather opt for a similarly priced lancer evolution vii instead, one that saw paul walker and his crew drove in the second fast & furious movie. At least that was a legit rally car that participated in the wrc before.

[Nanners]

By older models i meant those from different brands too, not just lr. But that's quite funny, that some cars are fancy, only good for looks and popular amongst normies yet don't possess any substance as time goes by since they can't run fine or be problem-free even if they're still fresh and new. Then otoh, there are those who are more low-key, decent and spartan but are able to run properly for a significant amount of time even if they're heavily abused or have become old. In owning cars, looks can be enhanced but their standard reliability engineering can't. And yeah, old running japanese cars tend to be usually priced like that depending on the model being sold but some of them are exaggerated. Saw before a late 90s honda civic type-r (sir in other regions) preserved being sold for like $50 grand and i thought it was ridiculous. I would rather opt for a similarly priced lancer evolution vii instead, one that saw paul walker and his crew drove in the second fast & furious movie. At least that was a legit rally car that participated in the wrc before.

IMO those old jap cars are all overpriced for a damn good reason - compare an average 90s Honda or Toyota to anything produced by a German or American manufacturer in that era, and the quality disparity is so enormous its beyond laughable. Hell even Nissan (which is one of the most laughably pathetic car companies today) was building bad ass products back then...the 90s Maxima was a PHENOMENAL vehicle, and obviously the skyline from the 90s and 00s is one of the most legendary cars ever built.

The only reason the evo is remotely affordable is because Mitsubishi was never even close to building products that were comparable in quality to the Honda and Toyota products of that era.

[Axe]

IMO those old jap cars are all overpriced for a damn good reason - compare an average 90s Honda or Toyota to anything produced by a German or American manufacturer in that era, and the quality disparity is so enormous its beyond laughable. Hell even Nissan (which is one of the most laughably pathetic car companies today) was building bad ass products back then...the 90s Maxima was a PHENOMENAL vehicle, and obviously the skyline from the 90s and 00s is one of the most legendary cars ever built.

The only reason the evo is remotely affordable is because Mitsubishi was never even close to building products that were comparable in quality to the Honda and Toyota products of that era.
So true i guess. Just goes to show how reputation can really influence a resale value of a car. Itt, since it talks about suvs we can use a direct example. A first-generation ford expedition was probably a state-of-the-art suv bt. It was comfortable due its air-suspension setup, refined than oil-burning suvs, had a spacious cabin and if i'm not mistaken, the first modern american suv to have a luxury counterpart (lincoln navigator). It's an awesome rig but still, it is no match for a spartan 80 series land cruiser that was basically more rugged, capable and versatile. It had both gas and diesel engines plus manual or automatic transmissions too depending on the region they were being offered. Now i compared the used present prices of these two and found out that in one specific market, the expedition has a price tag of 1/4 (at the highest) the land cruiser's. That means, if the latter is still being sold at $25 grand, then the former would be around $6250. Truly laughable indeed. As for mitsubishi and nissan, well they aren't as revolutionary or as famous as honda or toyota but that doesn't mean that they're already awful. Many people would still prefer them over notorious brands like ford, chevy or even rover today.

[Nanners]

While those old Land Cruisers are expensive, they are so bulletproof that they have virtually zero maintenance costs beyond regular fluid changes. While you can buy an expedition for 1/4th the price, over a long enough time frame the expedition will end up costing MUCH more than the land cruiser to maintain.

For the record I am not trying to say that Mitsubishi or Nissan are "awful", they are competitive with Ford/Chevy products... all I am saying is that Toyota and Honda are a tier above them these days

[Axe]

While those old Land Cruisers are expensive, they are so bulletproof that they have virtually zero maintenance costs beyond regular fluid changes. While you can buy an expedition for 1/4th the price, over a long enough time frame the expedition will end up costing MUCH more than the land cruiser to maintain.

For the record I am not trying to say that Mitsubishi or Nissan are "awful", they are competitive with Ford/Chevy products... all I am saying is that Toyota and Honda are a tier above them these days
Well you're not wrong. Having one just means good investment in the long run after all, since it will still have value over a significant period of time. The only thing others are concerned about is buying cost. Even the used ones have hefty price tags. Highwhey told here before about his used 2016 tacoma fetching for around 75% of its original value, despite it having ran half a hundred thousand mileage. An interesting offer that could not be easily matched by a similar offering from another brand.

[Nanners]

Well you're not wrong. Having one just means good investment in the long run after all, since it will still have value over a significant period of time. The only thing others are concerned about is buying cost. Even the used ones have hefty price tags. Highwhey told here before about his used 2016 tacoma fetching for around 75% of its original value, despite it having ran half a hundred thousand mileage. An interesting offer that could not be easily matched by a similar offering from another brand.

One of my close friends has a 2012 Tacoma in spruce green with a manual transmission and the TRD off road package... he spent ~33k when he bought the truck new and today he regularly gets ~30k offers from rando onlookers (the truck has ~120k miles). The resale market on Toyota trucks is insane lol

[Axe]

One of my close friends has a 2012 Tacoma in spruce green with a manual transmission and the TRD off road package... he spent ~33k when he bought the truck new and today he regularly gets ~30k offers from rando onlookers (the truck has ~120k miles). The resale market on Toyota trucks is insane lol
Well for that amount, i believe it's better to settle for a new one instead. :oldlol:

But i do bet for sure that 15 or 20 years down the line? A new trd tacoma from this year will probably cost more than a same year flagship trim navigator. That bypasses marque level, features, class, etc.

[Nanners]

Well for that amount, i believe it's better to settle for a new one instead. :oldlol:

He thinks his truck is basically priceless since its such a rare combination of color + options... and given what people pay for used Toyota 4x4s these days I dunno if I can really disagree with him (and as the owner of 2006 4runner I dont want to disagree with him)


But i do bet for sure that 15 or 20 years down the line? A new trd tacoma from this year will probably cost more than a same year flagship trim navigator. That bypasses marque level, features, class, etc.

A late 2010s or early 2020s navigator might be worth more than a Tacoma in 15 or 20 years, simply because very few navigators will survive that long so they will be quite rarely comparatively.

[Axe]

He thinks his truck is basically priceless since its such a rare combination of color + options... and given what people pay for used Toyota 4x4s these days I dunno if I can really disagree with him (and as the owner of 2006 4runner I dont want to disagree with him)
Pretty sure a standard model tacoma can be modified to have the same specifications lol.


A late 2010s or early 2020s navigator might be worth more than a Tacoma in 15 or 20 years, simply because very few navigators will survive that long so they will be quite rarely comparatively.
Yes but by that time, the navigator will have depreciated more. And pickup trucks tend to hold their value better over suvs because they don't contain too many segments if i'm not mistaken.