Would it effect Curry's legacy if warriors blow a 3-0 lead?

[Bronbron23]

Personally I don't think it would but what y'all think?

[FKAri]

Of course it would. He's the favorite. If the situation were like Kobe's Lakers blowing the 3-1 lead then I'd agree with you somewhat. The Lakers were huge dogs in that series. Being up 3-1 was an impressive feat. Not closing it out was understandable.

[ArbitraryWater]

Personally I don't think it would but what y'all think?

what the ****?


do things not matter to you in general?

[Bronbron23]

what the ****?


do things not matter to you in general?

Ok so how exactly would it effect his legacy? Let's say for argument sake curry sits at 15 on the all time list. How far back would losing this series set him back?

[Bronbron23]

Of course it would. He's the favorite. If the situation were like Kobe's Lakers blowing the 3-1 lead then I'd agree with you somewhat. The Lakers were huge dogs in that series. Being up 3-1 was an impressive feat. Not closing it out was understandable.

But it's not like this is the 15-18 warriors team. This is an older, injured less deep team and top heavy team. Sure they're the favorites but I wouldn't have been shocked if Mavs beat them.

[Naero]

Of course it would.

Being the only team in NBA history to blow a 3-0 lead? That's not a favorable distinction for anyone to have, especially for heavy preseries favorites like the Warriors.

This is too big of an if to entertain in-depth, though. Most expected the Mavericks to cop at least a token win as they've done so last night at home; it doesn't mean a historical comeback is brewing.

[SouBeachTalents]

:roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Ok so how exactly would it effect his legacy? Let's say for argument sake curry sits at 15 on the all time list. How far back would losing this series set him back?

i have no idea about the direct placement, but what ****ing matters in this NBA world if losing a 3-0 lead doesnt?

:roll::roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

i have no idea about the direct placement, but what ****ing matters in this NBA world if losing a 3-0 lead doesnt?

:roll::roll:
And while it’s really bad regardless, it’d be one thing if he was some gigantic underdog, or if his team suffered significant injuries. But to do it as the clear favorite, with HCA, against a team that has no playoff experience, it’d be just about the worst defeat in league history.

To have the first 3-0 blown lead in NBA history, on top of the first 3-1 blown lead in Finals history, would be a really bad look.

[dazzer87]

Yes….but not going to happen tho……

[Axe]

@Gohan what would of you think? Iverson would of never right homie?

[SouBeachTalents]

@Gohan what would of you think? Iverson would of never right homie?
Iverson would have to actually get up 3-0 in the first place.

[Bronbron23]

:roll:

Cool but making it to the conference finals according to ya'll is way better than not making the playoffs or losing first round right? So regardless if Steph loses its still way better than what Bron did. So if Steph legacy takes a hit that means brons should take a bigger one. Ya'll can't have it both ways :confusedshrug:

[FKAri]

Cool but making it to the conference finals according to ya'll is way better than not making the playoffs or losing first round right?
That's just how it works. Winning more > winning less.


So regardless if Steph loses its still way better than what Bron did. So if Steph legacy takes a hit that means brons should take a bigger one. Ya'll can't have it both ways :confusedshrug:
I can have it both ways because Bron is senile and Steph is closer to his prime.

I find it odd that I need to be the one to tell you this considering you're a bigger Bron fan than I am and a MUCH MUCH bigger Steph hater than I am.

[SouBeachTalents]

Cool but making it to the conference finals according to ya'll is way better than not making the playoffs or losing first round right? So regardless if Steph loses its still way better than what Bron did. So if Steph legacy takes a hit that means brons should take a bigger one. Ya'll can't have it both ways :confusedshrug:
Bro, I mean this sincerely. This thread topic has literally nothing to do with LeBron James. Whether you notice it or not, you bring him up in topics that have nothing to do with him quite frequently.

Teams & players that have had colossal chokes in the playoffs have gotten clowned more than those who missed the playoffs since organized sports have existed. It’s why the 2016 Falcons will be a laughing stock for the rest of time, while nobody will ever mention the 2016 Jets again.

[tpols]

Cool but making it to the conference finals according to ya'll is way better than not making the playoffs or losing first round right? So regardless if Steph loses its still way better than what Bron did. So if Steph legacy takes a hit that means brons should take a bigger one. Ya'll can't have it both ways :confusedshrug:


Yea its funny. LeBron stans are always the first to say it's better to lose bad in the Finals than to get bounced early. Yet curry has so far led a WCF team while Lebron is in the lottery. Blatant hypocrisy.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Yea its funny. LeBron stans are always the first to say it's better to lose bad in the Finals than to get bounced early. Yet curry has so far led a WCF team while Lebron is in the lottery. Blatant hypocrisy.

They have 5 all stars and have faced 1. Warriors have accomplished nothing.

[GimmeThat]

it's more reasonable to say Wiggins lack of playoff experience became a factor

[hold this L]

Of course it would. How could it not?

[RRR3]

Dumbdumb23 at it again :roll:

[AlternativeAcc.]

Of course it would. How could it not?

Losing 2 games to the Grizz and getting blown out by 40 has hurt him. Mavs taking a game hurts. So far curry has hurt his legacy thus far in the playoffs

Remember, they could've gone undefeated in 2017 too but curry had a miserable game in the finals and ruined it. He's always choking.

[GimmeThat]

Losing 2 games to the Grizz and getting blown out by 40 has hurt him. Mavs taking a game hurts. So far curry has hurt his legacy thus far in the playoffs

Remember, they could've gone undefeated in 2017 too but curry had a miserable game in the finals and ruined it. He's always choking.

I don't see how it has hurt his legacy. His skill has been proficient. or you can say he's been filling up the stat sheet. You can say watching the Warriors is like watching a team practice and running drills.

intention hasn't been the problem here. He doesn't quite understand how to behave, which is something he's working on.

it's better to say while others are interested in honor, he's interested in glory. Glory is a lot of noise, and honor is duty served.

[tpols]

They have 5 all stars and have faced 1. Warriors have accomplished nothing.

Jokic, Luka, and Ja were all documented MVP candidates. LeBron had years seeing Brandon Jennings and monta Ellis in early rounds.

Its total hypocrisy for you guys to beat the drum of who advances farthest matters more than anything, and then to come around and shit on somebody whose already gotten way farther. Regardless of what happens you're operating from a hypocritical POV here.

[SouBeachTalents]

Jokic, Luka, and Ja were all documented MVP candidates. LeBron had years seeing Brandon Jennings and monta Ellis in early rounds.

Its total hypocrisy for you guys to beat the drum of who advances farthest matters more than anything, and then to come around and shit on somebody whose already gotten way farther. Regardless of what happens you're operating from a hypocritical POV here.
I can only imagine what you would do if LeBron lost a 3-0 lead in the playoffs. You would never in a million years be saying this shit :lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jokic, Luka, and Ja were all documented MVP candidates. LeBron had years seeing Brandon Jennings and monta Ellis in early rounds.

Its total hypocrisy for you guys to beat the drum of who advances farthest matters more than anything, and then to come around and shit on somebody whose already gotten way farther. Regardless of what happens you're operating from a hypocritical POV here.

LeBron made the finals 10 years In a row. Curry missed the playoffs in his prime with Wiggins, Dray, and Poole.

Beating 1 star or 0 star teams when your team is full of 5 all star caliber players in their primes is not an accomplishment. At all. LeBron never played on a team anywhere near as stacked as Currys teams... and yet curry hasn't accomplished half of what LeBron has. Bringing up LeBron is always a losing battle my friend.

[tontoz]

33-49

[GimmeThat]

Jokic, Luka, and Ja were all documented MVP candidates. LeBron had years seeing Brandon Jennings and monta Ellis in early rounds.

Its total hypocrisy for you guys to beat the drum of who advances farthest matters more than anything, and then to come around and shit on somebody whose already gotten way farther. Regardless of what happens you're operating from a hypocritical POV here.

the argument is, I bought a clone body. one says, that's immoral and illegal, the other says regardless of your standpoint, I paid for it.

even I support the first stance, the reality is we all have different definitions of Cancun.

even if you built an island for the latter one, they wouldn't survive. unfortunately, they hang onto the possibility of better clone technology, arguing if it's truly so bad, I'll just crash harder anyways.

I don't want to watch a village burn for the sake of it, I don't even want to be the fire, I just want it be known that they weren't a village.

[tpols]

I can only imagine what you would do if LeBron lost a 3-0 lead in the playoffs. You would never in a million years be saying this shit :lol

Lebron has lost with HCA 66 win teams. Multiple times with 60+ win teams. GOAT choke in 2011 after The Decision. Holds the two highest margin of loss by point differential in the Finals defeats of all time. (2014 and 2018)

So there's too much ammo against your side to talk about choking. If you were a Jordan fan or Bird fan or something I'd have to concede. But you're the opposite of that.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron has lost with HCA 66 win teams. Multiple times with 60+ win teams. GOAT choke in 2011 after The Decision. Holds the two highest margin of loss by point differential in the Finals defeats of all time. (2014 and 2018)

So there's too much ammo against your side to talk about choking. If you were a Jordan fan or Bird fan or something I'd have to concede. But you're the opposite of that.
See, starts frothing at the mouth once LeBron’s resume comes up and doing a complete 180 about what he was literally just saying before in this very thread :lol

And please, half of Bird’s prime was him playing extremely pedestrian for a top 10 players standards.

[FultzNationRISE]

“Legacy” tends to imply broad public perception. Which is not always the accurate picture, but rather the commonly accepted one.

Most people judge individuals by the group performance, so on that criterion it would almost certainly affect his legacy.

A few needles in the public haystack might actually assess whether he played well or not and why specifically the result was what it was, and judge him on that criterion. But thats now where legacies are shaped.

Legacies are shaped on talk shows by Skip Baylees and Stephen A Smith.

If the team wins, star hero good.
If they lose, choke scapegoat bad.

[hold this L]

33-49
Dude is melting down in every Curry or Warriors topic. If the Warriors win it all this year, Jeff should find out the number of his mother and contact the police to make sure he doesn't commit any harm to himself. Guy legitimately has mental issues.

[Axe]

LeBron made the finals 10 years In a row. Curry missed the playoffs in his prime with Wiggins, Dray, and Poole.

Beating 1 star or 0 star teams when your team is full of 5 all star caliber players in their primes is not an accomplishment. At all. LeBron never played on a team anywhere near as stacked as Currys teams... and yet curry hasn't accomplished half of what LeBron has. Bringing up LeBron is always a losing battle my friend.
This. What's more, despite the team hopping he still never had a head coach who eventually flourished and led a new dynasty like steve kerr did.

[Axe]

Lebron has lost with HCA 66 win teams. Multiple times with 60+ win teams. GOAT choke in 2011 after The Decision. Holds the two highest margin of loss by point differential in the Finals defeats of all time. (2014 and 2018)

So there's too much ammo against your side to talk about choking. If you were a Jordan fan or Bird fan or something I'd have to concede. But you're the opposite of that.
You act like precious chef never choked at all in the finals with a 73-win team lmfao. Oh thurston... :yaohappy:

[Gohan]

@Gohan what would of you think? Iverson would of never right homie?

No but i dont think curry would blow one either lol

[GimmeThat]

Dude is melting down in every Curry or Warriors topic. If the Warriors win it all this year, Jeff should find out the number of his mother and contact the police to make sure he doesn't commit any harm to himself. Guy legitimately has mental issues.

mental pain tolerance turns pain into legal substances. without the mental pain tolerance, the physical pain tolerance exceeds the category of abuse.

thinkorswim

[Bronbron23]

Bro, I mean this sincerely. This thread topic has literally nothing to do with LeBron James. Whether you notice it or not, you bring him up in topics that have nothing to do with him quite frequently.

Teams & players that have had colossal chokes in the playoffs have gotten clowned more than those who missed the playoffs since organized sports have existed. It’s why the 2016 Falcons will be a laughing stock for the rest of time, while nobody will ever mention the 2016 Jets again.

You're right it has nothing to do with Bron and everything to do with Bron Stans logic. Based on ya'll logic even if Steph lost this series it's still way more impressive than what Bron did so if Steph's legacy takes a hit brons has to take a worse one.

[Bronbron23]

Bro, I mean this sincerely. This thread topic has literally nothing to do with LeBron James. Whether you notice it or not, you bring him up in topics that have nothing to do with him quite frequently.

Teams & players that have had colossal chokes in the playoffs have gotten clowned more than those who missed the playoffs since organized sports have existed. It’s why the 2016 Falcons will be a laughing stock for the rest of time, while nobody will ever mention the 2016 Jets again.

This isn't even my argument btw it's literally your guys argument. I just made the thread to show how hypocritical Bron Stans are. Bron misses the playoffs while playing shit defense and being a shit leader and ya'll elevate him for getting third team all NBA while Steph makes it to the conference finals gets second team NBA and somehow him losing while going further would mean his legacy of takes a hit. It's hypocrisy at its finest:facepalm

[8Ball]

Yawn.

Make this thread when its 3-3, not when GS is up 3-1.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Dude is melting down in every Curry or Warriors topic. If the Warriors win it all this year, Jeff should find out the number of his mother and contact the police to make sure he doesn't commit any harm to himself. Guy legitimately has mental issues.

Who are u talking about bitch?

[Shooter]

Only if it's in the Finals. Otherwise it doesn't count :lol Just ask MJ fans about his 1-9

[hold this L]

Who are u talking about bitch?

You're the only loser that is doing it ������

[SouBeachTalents]

This isn't even my argument btw it's literally your guys argument. I just made the thread to show how hypocritical Bron Stans are. Bron misses the playoffs while playing shit defense and being a shit leader and ya'll elevate him for getting third team all NBA while Steph makes it to the conference finals gets second team NBA and somehow him losing while going further would mean his legacy of takes a hit. It's hypocrisy at its finest:facepalm
Well, you seem intent on continuing to rant and rave about LeBron. You do you bro :lol

[RRR3]

Well, you seem intent on continuing to rant and rave about LeBron. You do you bro :lol
That's all he does. So obsessed he named his account after a guy he hates :roll:

[Taurus]

It would absolutely have a negative impact on his legacy, wtf are you talking about?

First blown 3-0 series lead against a relatively inexperienced team? As the favorite? The jokes would last for decades.

That being said, you're really jumping the gun with this thread lol. If the Mavs win game 5, then we can start panicking a bit.

[bdonovan]

LeBron made the finals 10 years In a row. Curry missed the playoffs in his prime with Wiggins, Dray, and Poole.

Beating 1 star or 0 star teams when your team is full of 5 all star caliber players in their primes is not an accomplishment. At all. LeBron never played on a team anywhere near as stacked as Currys teams... and yet curry hasn't accomplished half of what LeBron has. Bringing up LeBron is always a losing battle my friend.

That's not a great point. Few were saying anything about Wiggins being a "great" player until recently and likely owing to selection bias. Nor would anyone say even today that he's a top-tier player (the all star nod was due to a single Kpop star drumming up votes). Nor is Dray an offensive weapon. And Poole at 21 was erratic then was still coming into his own. Doesn't help make your case to exaggerate the help that Curry had.

[GimmeThat]

That's not a great point. Few were saying anything about Wiggins being a "great" player until recently and likely owing to selection bias. Nor would anyone say even today that he's a top-tier player (the all star nod was due to a single Kpop star drumming up votes). Nor is Dray an offensive weapon. And Poole at 21 was erratic then was still coming into his own. Doesn't help make your case to exaggerate the help that Curry had.

still, they are a team capable of breaking opposing teams zone defense, while setting up a zone defense that has seen some success.

[RRR3]

That's not a great point. Few were saying anything about Wiggins being a "great" player until recently and likely owing to selection bias. Nor would anyone say even today that he's a top-tier player (the all star nod was due to a single Kpop star drumming up votes). Nor is Dray an offensive weapon. And Poole at 21 was erratic then was still coming into his own. Doesn't help make your case to exaggerate the help that Curry had.
Wiggins is the same player he always was on offense, he’s just good at defense now. We giving Curry credit for that? :yaohappy:

[hold this L]

Wiggins is the same player he always was on offense, he’s just good at defense now. We giving Curry credit for that? :yaohappy:

Both last season and this season are his best shooting splits of his entire career.

https://c.tenor.com/6vXhQSyB6L4AAAAd/celebration-sleep.gif

[GimmeThat]

Wiggins is the same player he always was on offense, he’s just good at defense now. We giving Curry credit for that? :yaohappy:

when you're removed from being the clear 1a, it does help.

[tontoz]

Relative to his Minny years Wiggins is taking fewer 2s and shooting a bit better on 3s. He still isn't that good on offense but he doesn't have to be for them.

[RRR3]

Both last season and this season are his best shooting splits of his entire career.

https://c.tenor.com/6vXhQSyB6L4AAAAd/celebration-sleep.gif
*Player is more efficient as 4th option than first option*


Hold this durrrr: surprised pikachu face




:facepalm

[GimmeThat]

https://c.tenor.com/6vXhQSyB6L4AAAAd/celebration-sleep.gif

I thought Steph sells

[hold this L]

*Player is more efficient as 4th option than first option*


Hold this durrrr: surprised pikachu face




:facepalm
He was the second option last season and the same is still true.

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[GimmeThat]

He was the second option last season and the same is still true.



Game 6 Klay though

[ImKobe]

*Player is more efficient as 4th option than first option*


Hold this durrrr: surprised pikachu face




:facepalm

Of course, and it's a credit to Curry for drawing all the attention on offense which results in Wiggins getting wide open shots, thus he's far more efficient and also doesn't have to work as hard offensively, making him a better player on both ends of the court.

He's evolved his game and will now have a much longer career as he can play within a system and not need the ball in his hands to have a positive impact on the game. He's definitely not the same player on offense as he's not in the same role. He's shooting wide open jump shots and is cutting more and isn't holding onto the ball as much as he used to. Environment matters, and GS was the perfect landing spot for him to become a smarter player and to extend his career as he's learning how to play in a 3&D role in the middle of his prime. He went from chucking a ton of mid-range/long 2 jump shots to almost exclusively shooting 3s and eliminating the bad shots he used to take in Minnesota.

[1987_Lakers]

To OP, nothing will top Kobe getting swept as a defending champ in 2011.

[SouBeachTalents]

To OP, nothing will top Kobe getting swept as a defending champ in 2011.
Tbf though, several teams coming off b2b titles got swept too; ‘89 Lakers (though injuries obv played a major role in that), ‘91 Pistons, ‘96 Rockets, and while they weren’t swept, the 2014 Heat got their asses kicked.

[1987_Lakers]

Tbf though, several teams coming off b2b titles got swept too; ‘89 Lakers (though injuries obv played a major role in that), ‘91 Pistons, ‘96 Rockets, and while they weren’t swept, the 2014 Heat got their asses kicked.

True, but that Rockets team only won 48 games that year, clearly lost to a better team. Bulls were favored to beat the Pistons in '91.

Almost nobody had the Mavs beating the Lakers, let alone sweeping them.

[ImKobe]

Tbf though, several teams coming off b2b titles got swept too; ‘89 Lakers (though injuries obv played a major role in that), ‘91 Pistons, ‘96 Rockets, and while they weren’t swept, the 2014 Heat got their asses kicked.

And KB was clearly injured going into the semis, he had been playing on one leg all year and injured his ankle in the first round and Mavs were insane from 3 in almost every game, especially by 2011 standards. It didn't matter that the Lakers beat them on the glass on both ends because they made every 3 when it mattered. Dirk and Terry shot like 70% from 3 combined and Peja was over 50% too.

[1987_Lakers]

And KB was clearly injured going into the semis, he had been playing on one leg all year and injured his ankle in the first round and Mavs were insane from 3 in almost every game, especially by 2011 standards. It didn't matter that the Lakers beat them on the glass on both ends because they made every 3 when it mattered. Dirk and Terry shot like 70% from 3 combined and Peja was over 50% too.

They exposed Kobe's defense.

[AlternativeAcc.]

That's not a great point. Few were saying anything about Wiggins being a "great" player until recently and likely owing to selection bias. Nor would anyone say even today that he's a top-tier player (the all star nod was due to a single Kpop star drumming up votes). Nor is Dray an offensive weapon. And Poole at 21 was erratic then was still coming into his own. Doesn't help make your case to exaggerate the help that Curry had.

Wiggins is literally an all star ans has been a 20ppg two way player his whole career. Poole averaged 22 on 62% TS without curry last year... curry ball held him back

Curry was too busy chucking his team out of the playoffs for you to see the talent, but it was obviously there. Now that they're fully healthy they have literally 5 all star caliber players against 1 for the Mavs and have faced a total of 2 so far.

It's pathetically sad curry missed the playoffs last year. He sucks.

[RRR3]

He was the second option last season and the same is still true.

https://c.tenor.com/6vXhQSyB6L4AAAAd/celebration-sleep.gif
Second options receive less defensive attention than first options you utter moron. Get Curry’s **** out of your mouth for once.

[Bronbron23]

He was the second option last season and the same is still true.

https://c.tenor.com/6vXhQSyB6L4AAAAd/celebration-sleep.gif

Don't bother using facts with RRRetard3. That boy dumb af:oldlol:

[hold this L]

Second options receive less defensive attention than first options you utter moron. Get Curry’s **** out of your mouth for once.

The point was that he is having better seasons and your only excuse is that he's now a second option. By that metric, every single player that looks better when they join a superstar, it doesn't count because they are playing with someone who has most of the attention. I'm sure the same applies to everyone that joins a superstar right?

Idiot. :facepalm

[hold this L]

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